By looping the tree saver through itself, you're putting ALL the load on ONE line of the tree saver material. If you put your D-ring through BOTH ends of the tree saver, you're distributing the pull so that HALF of the force will go into each end, instead of ALL the force going in ONE end.
@STEAMBOLTANNIE3 жыл бұрын
YOU PUT THE CLEVIS THRU BOTH ENDS OF THE TREE SAVER = STRAIGHTER PULL AND EQUAL STRESS AROUND THE TRUNK
@lincolnmicrophonellc Жыл бұрын
thank you, i was wondering exactly this. Seems a cleaner setup but the video overall taught me a lot.
@suicideclide-theeunloveabl5812 Жыл бұрын
@@lincolnmicrophonellc same thoughts!
@andyr538911 ай бұрын
For everyone reading the main comment. Chokers like he did actually reduce the capacity around 30-40%. Running basket(described above) actually increases the strap capacity if more than 30 degrees. It can almost double it.
@wyattrichardson623711 ай бұрын
I was gonna say, basket that sling, way stronger than the choke.
@vince605610 ай бұрын
I think he did a choker so it stays on the tree. How would you do that with a basket hitch? The strap looks strong enough to handle a choker hitch setup to pullout an ATV
@WhiteCavendish3 жыл бұрын
Protip: when putting the pin in your shackles, screw them all the way till they stop, then back a half turn. Keeps them from binding up when you have to undo them.
@davidyoung3584 жыл бұрын
For additional safety, its always good to throw a jacket or that Super ATV bag on top of and in the center of the winch line in case it snaps or something fails so it doesn’t come back at you or bystanders. It loses all it’s inertia and will drop harmlessly to the ground.
@SuperATVMedia4 жыл бұрын
Excellent tip David, that makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
@jsoutdoorz73903 жыл бұрын
True statement.... If that was a steel cable. Synthetic rope does not store energy the same way a cable does.. Just my 2 cents.. Nice ride tho
@Review-This2 жыл бұрын
On a steel cable absolutely yes. These synthetic ropes you don’t have to but still a good idea.
@mikem99532 жыл бұрын
That’s another thing, I couldn’t get my woman to go for synthetic rope. I’ve never used it, yet I’m a believer. Why I didn’t kick in the extra for it I don’t know. Oops.
@trd4d3 жыл бұрын
Doubled the ability of the winch while cutting the strength of the tree saver in half. Grabbing both eyelets gives almost double the strap strength.
@RestlessNative9873 жыл бұрын
20% reduction for the bite
@michaelhefford64202 жыл бұрын
Not really, whether you use one eyelet or two, the breaking strength of that strap is still the same. You're increasing the breaking strength of the eyelet only. How do you figure by grabbing both eyelets you increase the strength of anywhere along the length of that strap?
@trd4d2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhefford6420 it has been tested by many professionals. Something like 60% more strength pulling from both sides.
@michaelhefford64202 жыл бұрын
Good to know. Either way, that strap can handle this weight no issue. .
@danielpotter32762 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhefford6420 choking any piece of rigging reduces the strength by over 50%...basket increases the single pull rating by %50..nice stuff btw
@dennisarntz3177 Жыл бұрын
When used as shown with the snatch block around the tree and the winch rope coming back to the truck, the pulling force is doubled on the truck but the tension in the pulling rope is half since you have both ends coming back to the truck. So if the winch and cable are rated for 6000 lbs, using a snatch block in this manner will increase the force to 12,000 lbs but the winch line still has only 6,000 lbs of tension, but there are 2 lines at 6,000 lbs X 2= 12,000 lbs..
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@maxum33003 жыл бұрын
Anybody else start itching while watching this guy kneeling down going through that bag in the middle of all that poison ivy?
@Bowhuntrr3 жыл бұрын
I was about to say something about that ivy growing all over that tree and all around!
@Berealfool3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@Watercooledguy3 жыл бұрын
I literally said out loud, "Dude get out of the poison ivy".
@mmikerryan Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha yes!
@pacman55903 жыл бұрын
I suspect that ATV doesn’t get stuck too often! 🤣
@user-vr2tx4tt6b8 ай бұрын
Place the clevis through BOTH loops of the tree saver to equal load on both portions of the saver... not the way shown in the video.
@wmnapier3 жыл бұрын
Never tighten that clevis bolt down even by hand, always loosen it a 1/4 to 1/2 turn. If you tighten it even snug when you put pressure on it from a heavy haul it can make it so tight you won't be able to loosen it.
@Review-This2 жыл бұрын
Yea I figured that out the hard way. 😂
@damnitdang2 жыл бұрын
I always wonder that too. Cus having mines dangle on my bumper, sometimes it's hard to take off, even from hand tight install
@941haggisbasher2 жыл бұрын
Carry a wrench and you’ll be fine. Where does it say to turn a screw pin shackle 1/4 to 1/2 turn?
@rafon.2 жыл бұрын
@@941haggisbasher it says it right on top of your comment 😂
@christiancorbitt53092 жыл бұрын
Not that it’s a huge issue with the weight of that ATV, but if you girth hitch your anchor you do reduce the strength of the strap (up to or around 50%). It’s not something to worry about too much if you’re just pulling for lack of adequate traction, but if there’s the potential to shock load it or there’s suction from mud involved you have the potential to break your tree saver doing that. Same concept as just wrapping the winch rope around tree and clipping it to itself.
@anonymousperson4363 Жыл бұрын
You should be as low on the trunk as possible. The tree is stronger there.
@jimnuna20223 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being fast simple and demonstrate snatch block as force multiplier!! Excellent vid
@dunnkruger882511 ай бұрын
1:1 ratio NOT double pull cap
@Chris-qf9qm3 жыл бұрын
When hitching the "tree saver" to itself you will half the strength of that strap
@Adhdad12 жыл бұрын
What would be the best alternative please?
@Chris-qf9qm2 жыл бұрын
@@Adhdad1 dont girth hitch it too itself. Instead there should be no hitch and the D ring or attachment point should be connected to the ends of whatever you have around the anchor point.
@Adhdad12 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-qf9qm cheers!
@codlip80893 жыл бұрын
He really does have no idea
@erichouston82473 жыл бұрын
turn tight on your shackle not clevis, then quarter turn back so you can get it off after.
@johngodar91083 жыл бұрын
Curious if you got a bad poison ivy rash after filming this? Sure looks like you're sitting right in the middle of it. Thanks for the tips.
@KannTrails Жыл бұрын
Was looking for this comment 😂
@GeRom8314 жыл бұрын
That's one hell of a rig but you shouldn't choke the tree out like that. And there's no need to do it that way. Just wrap the strap around the tree and connect up to both of the ends together.
@kellogg21853 жыл бұрын
Also the rating on that sling is considerably higher in a basket setup, instead of choked.
@mikepapillo57288 ай бұрын
wow your the only one i trust in this situation, all the other videos shows to put the tree saver around ONLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TREE,, how stupid ,, they must of not taken physics in high school,, if the ground has the curve your cable will DRAG at the bottom,, anyways also i like how you looped the tree saver in thru the loop and hooked up the snatch roller thru one of the tree saver ends ,,, after 2 hrs of looking your the only smart one
@stevesonntag31423 жыл бұрын
That's not a clevis. That's called a shackle.
@napadave583 жыл бұрын
Call it what you like. It's a clevis. Same church. Same pew.
@WhiteCavendish3 жыл бұрын
To be super technical, it's actually a screw pin anchor shackle.
@zgarrett14 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I have heard some call a snatch a shackle too, even referred to as an old ball and chain. Whatever you call it, just put your pin in, pull tight and have a good night!! 😆
@coffeedollsvp2 жыл бұрын
Wait...shudnt vehicle be put to nuetral and engine running?
@mattwaters698710 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this info.
@wadesuhr4 жыл бұрын
Does the tree get choked out that way by looping the trunk saver through itself?
@djsonicc3 жыл бұрын
yeah but they like it so it's all good
@blaineoh1002 жыл бұрын
@@djsonicc consent is sexy
@brandongomez5032 Жыл бұрын
I just hook it up like the guy on Jurassic Park trying to tow that bus off the cliff
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@christopherdekonstrukt444 Жыл бұрын
Need something like that for stump pulling.
@dustbustr91Ай бұрын
the snatch block has to be on the atv side in order to increase mechanical advantage.....
@SuperATVMediaАй бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@davidholt46407 ай бұрын
I LIKE TO USE A TIRE STRAP WITH THE METAL ENDS, ALL ONE PIECE TO WRAP AROUND THE TREE.
@jamesholstein66346 ай бұрын
First off you run your shackle bolt then you back it off of half a turn so it don't jam up on you and secondly a snatch block does not double the strength of the winch it actually cuts the load weight in half by splitting it between two points your inches is a 6,000 it's still going to be a 6000 you just cut the weight in half by Distributing to two different points does internet that's pretty good video
@SuperATVMedia6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips and feedback!
@jamesm5683 жыл бұрын
Close enough and could be done differently, but it still got the job done.
@eddale5557 Жыл бұрын
Wel to do it that way you must have a very long wire though!
@user-dj8jb1xt4eАй бұрын
So you don't use this process all the time , your selling some products!!! Niiiiicccee!!!
@ranchlingger4 ай бұрын
Ive always called them shackles
@number1dad610 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the basics
@1111bigdiesel2 жыл бұрын
Why would you sling your tree saver around both trees? You'll damage the tree. What's the point of using a tree saver then?
@davetotten70385 ай бұрын
I admit that I'm new to winches. I was wondering about the snatchblock doubling the pulling power. Is the cable on a winch capable of handling double the rating as the winch itself? If I have a 3200 pound rated winch and I get into an extreme situation can I safely pull 4000-5000 pounds without compromising the winch rope or cable? Thanks
@seijirou3023 ай бұрын
The strain on the cable doesn't increase. That setup doubles the force because now 2 cables are pulling each with 3200 lbs, giving 6400 lbs total. If he did another snatch block at the ATV and then back to the tree again it would be 3 cables pulling at 3200 lbs giving 9600 lbs, and so on. The limit is how much rope you have, how many pullies you have, etc. to be able to keep going back and forth. Also the increase in total force comes from a decrease in speed. The winch runs the same speed, but if you just run 1 rope then winching 1 inch needs to move the ATV 1 inch. When you double it back then winching 1 inch moves the ATV 1/2 inch. Triple would be 1/3 inch, etc.
@_DB.COOPER Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@danfalen710411 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks.
@chuckfinley78052 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I really appreciate The awesome tutorial on using a winch!! How’s the mechanical reliability of the Polaris? Do you use it lot in the mud does it ever break down is everything tough and rugged on it like a Honda? I just don’t know I’m really curious could you help me out. Thanks
@SuperATVMedia2 жыл бұрын
Hey there Chuck! We're a big fan of Polaris Side by Sides and have always had great luck with them. We've had tons of different machines and built them and rode them in just about any terrains you can imagine. Reliability always goes hand in hand with good maintenance habits and good decision making when riding. Thanks for tuning in, we appreciate the support!
@drcarslife28272 жыл бұрын
Great video! I hope you didn’t get poison ivy from the vine growing on that tree.
@russellpeffer77362 жыл бұрын
Great video! But from a crane operators perspective, it's a shackle, not a clevis and a block not a pulley. Just trying to help here. Doesn't make a difference but someone may laugh at you
@mattd84118 ай бұрын
Awesome video thanks man
@LuisPerez-jz9ov Жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the visit!
@chriscoston86013 жыл бұрын
My winch is on it's way to me...... So, you prevented me from being guilty of everyone doing it wrong. LOL Thanks!
@SuperATVMedia3 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help Chris! Enjoy your new winch, and give a shout if there's anything else we can help you with!
@AngloCelt88 Жыл бұрын
Good thing it wasn't an actual truck/Jeep at the other end of that line. And he was nowhere near the tree's "trunk"
@tomfrantz Жыл бұрын
U R AWESOME Thank you for the video. Well made video!
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@GRIZZ3573 жыл бұрын
Right on brother thanks
@deeeeeeps3 жыл бұрын
I find it funny that your winch looked used but the; tree saver, snatch block and clevis looked brand new.
@jacobhanson90093 жыл бұрын
Mudding with buddies. Dont need any trees
@Kusgan4x42 жыл бұрын
Video clear instructions and to the point 🙌🏼🙌🏼🤙🏼❤️
@CredibleHulk104 ай бұрын
Despite being wrong.
@800rena3 жыл бұрын
Only works if you have a big bumper with shackles
@fpsdoug56953 жыл бұрын
you can attach the other end to a tree. it doesnt have to lead back to the machine
@timgiesin4025 Жыл бұрын
Nice video
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support!
@LongrangeRimfireClub8 ай бұрын
thx
@St.PierreProductions Жыл бұрын
Good stuff man
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@FortunateSon2 жыл бұрын
Probably a stupid question, but let’s say the load is cut in half or the winch is twice as strong. Is that to say a 12k winch could move 24k? And if so, is that acceptable or does it somehow risk overloading the winch (ie. Breaking the winch or the line)? I’m thinking based on how you described it, no. It’s just twice as efficient? TIA
@SuperATVMedia2 жыл бұрын
Technically the winch could pull more that way, but you will risk breaking the rope.
@josejr4482 Жыл бұрын
Id like to add to the question. Like the guy above said, if I had a 12k winch and used some snatch blocks to double it, do I risk breaking the rope or cable since im doubling the 12k rating? As in is there now 24k load on the line with a snatch block? Or how exactly does that work???
@Southernblueeyes78 Жыл бұрын
It does put more stress on the line. It all depends on how stuck u r! I used a snatch block to get my dad’s tractor out yesterday with a mile marker sec8. He was VERY stuck and the winch stained hard even with the snatch block. The synthetic rope held fine.
@trd4d9 ай бұрын
@@josejr4482the line does not have 24k on it. Each side has 12k. The only thing under 24k of pressure is the tree, snatchblock, and vehicle doing the pulling if you go back to the vehicle. If you go back to a tree or another vehicle, then the vehicle will only have 12k also.
@rhelton723 жыл бұрын
Is this kit available on your website?
@chrisrussell66303 жыл бұрын
Why not just use the strap that u choked around the tree just put the hook on that?
@Pipizzakitchen2 жыл бұрын
You can, but you won't have the mechanical advantage of the pulley. You will make the pull twice as fast, but your motor will work twice as hard.
@n2snow4 жыл бұрын
That’s the way it’s done! 👍👍👍
@icwrat14 жыл бұрын
Should have backed the pin off a half turn or you going to play hell undoing it
@n2snow4 жыл бұрын
travis kerns ; very true!
@mikem99533 жыл бұрын
I’m installing a 3000 lb winch om my girlfriends 2020 RZR trail. What weight, or how big should my ‘shackle’ be? It just seems like it’s bend the pin under extreme load. I assume a big as I can as long as it fits? But a hardware store may have a visually looking large shackle, but made in China with a low load rating. Hope that made sense? Thanks
@ridermak41112 жыл бұрын
A shackle is either rated, or it’s not. Letters and numbers will be raised on the side of the bow and the pin will be painted a different color and be slightly bigger diameter than the shackle body. WLL3T (working load limit three ton) is a safety factor of 1/5 (usually) of it’s breaking strength. In this example would be 15 ton. Please don’t buy non rated shackles. If the screw pin and the body are the same color, don’t buy it.
@Pipizzakitchen2 жыл бұрын
@@ridermak4111 that's good information that I didn't know. Thanks.
@buckshot.bennys2 жыл бұрын
As long as your shackle is rated to handle more weight than the RZR, And you have the bolt threaded correctly (hand tight, than back ½ turn), she'll be fine.
@mikem99532 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information guys. That is a lot of stress! When I was testing the winch it was like waiting for a bomb to go off! I can see a simple retrieval of a buddy going horribly wrong. Thanks again
@bwz72753 жыл бұрын
Lots!
@westtexasdave21402 жыл бұрын
How did the winch cable not roll up in the same place on the winch?
@Pipizzakitchen2 жыл бұрын
The other end is not connected to the spool.
@westtexasdave21402 жыл бұрын
@@Pipizzakitchen I don’t under your answer. Looks to me like the cable would all stack up on one side of the spool if the cable isn’t being moved side to side. I guess there is a reason why it doesn’t but I don’t see it.
@Pipizzakitchen2 жыл бұрын
@@westtexasdave2140 ok, I see what you mean. The winch itself is mounted to the frame behind the sheet metal and has a moving guide that spools the cable. The black slot in the bumper area is called a fairlead. It's just a heavy plate that the cable runs through to prevent damage to the body or cable.
@westtexasdave21402 жыл бұрын
@@Pipizzakitchen most winches I’ve seen don’t have that.
@riversandridgelines3423 жыл бұрын
How many mistakes did y'all find? LOL
@johnkaus50293 жыл бұрын
A lot of mistakes
@kaveh18363 жыл бұрын
Enough to keep me watching for more mistakes
@pappaclutch32663 жыл бұрын
When he put the tree saver through itself I said Ooooo lol
@JSJTOUTDOORS2 жыл бұрын
When he stuck his face on the poison ivy.
@Pagaie1012 жыл бұрын
Again, false information is given here... The installed pulley gives you a change in the direction of pull but by no way a mechanical advantage. If you want a 2:1 advantage the pulley has to move not the cable. With this rig, 1 foot goes in and 1 goes out, so it's 1:1. As for your tree anchor, the webbing should go around the tree with the schackle going in both loops. The way it was set, the webbing is choking itself up to its full cut.
@177BCardinal2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad somebody mentioned that. Good point out about using both loops and not choker mode.
@joefisch43397 ай бұрын
This is what I was thinking too.
@Daronvines2 жыл бұрын
You just cut that straps strength in half by looping like that
@shogun74682 жыл бұрын
That’s a bow shackle not a clevice hook..
@scarroll625 Жыл бұрын
You wrapped the sling wrong.
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
You can wrap as shown, or utilize the loops together instead of wrapping. There's a few ways to do it, but these seem to work best for us!
@scarroll625 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperATVMedia let me correct myself: wrapping the sling the way you did in the video is not the most efficient way, but not wrong. Anyway thanks for taking the time to actually make a video for us viewers to criticize when we actually do nothing to contribute.
@zr2dad53 жыл бұрын
too many things wrong here. gtg
@davidwitte84695 ай бұрын
I thought a snatch block was my wife’s pajamas
@Nopitunertv2 жыл бұрын
so I wanna throw my 2 cents in here as well, With that set up you're not actually making the winch work any easier, if the pulley was attached to your UTV and the Winch was attached to the tree and you ran the set up, It would because you'd have to forces pulling the machine to the winch, in this case how you have it hooked up you still have only 1 force pulling you and that 1 force is after the pulley, Having it switched to the pulley on UTV would give you 2 forces. You'll have to watch this video to understand. What you're doing is what this guy does in demonstration 1, the way it should be done is demonstration 2, but can't do it without adding additional pulleys or reversing the pulley and winch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGS1pmSwj8-pq8k
@Nopitunertv2 жыл бұрын
Him pulling the spring down with the other end being on the weight is the same set up you did in this video.
@xrptrdpro4056 Жыл бұрын
bro sitting in poison ivy?
@SuperATVMedia Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, poison ivy is pretty thick and unavoidable around here!
@trd4d2 жыл бұрын
Don't pull from anywhere other than the base of the tree. Some trees will hold, but not a good habit to develop
@emjulian96753 жыл бұрын
My wench looks completely different than this one usually it's doing the dishes in the kitchen
@Iam_Machines3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, so many things wrong here.
@krazyking-et2dw2 жыл бұрын
Wow you are not the person to be teaching this somebody Gunnar get hurt following your advice
@tol74883 жыл бұрын
thats called tow belt...
@operation4wheelz9 ай бұрын
🤦♂️ this is NOT the proper way to use a winch
@genxiong26952 жыл бұрын
That's not a safe way to use a tree saver strap! By looping one end inside the other you actually decrease the strength of the tree saver strap because essentially you are using only one end of the strap; thus, turning it into a weak link. It's the choking method and can be dangerous. Just connect the bow shackle on each end of the tree saver strap. You'll maximize the strength from both ends. This was a poor demonstration. Clearly this guy had no clue how to use a snatch block on a tree saver strap. There are plenty of videos on youtube on how to do this correctly.