Best Friends Play DmC: Devil May Cry - Definitive Edition (Part 11)

[@johnrad9512]

Update to the list. Dante: MOTher Virgil: FaTHeR Nero: sIStEr Donte: AARRHH, AARRH, RAAAH, AAAAHH!

[@ATMOSK1234]

Nero has a sister?

[@wolfinabox1128]

@@ATMOSK1234 read the Nero character description circa DMC 4.

[@EMWISE94]

Pretty sure Nero's is: KYRIEeeEEeeEE!

[@MegaBichiX]

@@EMWISE94 kyrie is nero's adoptive sister

[@nkedgun1011]

or KaTTt! I guess maybe idk?

[@Yasahiro1011]

The surgical gloves were originally part of this vergil's design tho. He was meant to be a germophobe who frantically keeps cleaning Yamato

[@siggysaurdough6235]

Maroko4 Vergin polishing his sword you say? Hmm...

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

Yeah, it could have been a neat little character quirk of his that could have given him some personality, but who needs that? We got Dino writing "FUCK YOU" on a nightclub list!

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

I really love the wonderful job they did of explaining that in-game

[@eachasteriod1334]

Maroko4 why would he constantly clean a sword he never uses

[@Yasahiro1011]

@@eachasteriod1334 They could've kept formula of 3 vergil fights too, goddamit. One to see if Dante has what it takes to enter organization, maybe interest Dante by having him meet equal. Then another where they're arguing about Kat or Vergil testing Dante again, or something but this time going balls out. And then Final battle, where it's vergil waking up to tyranny. And hell we had Vergil in Limbo last chapter. And we could've had him be pulled alongside Dante into limbo early on, just to see him be able to do anything. Why estabilihs Vergil is weak if he's final boss. That literally sandbags the boss fight

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Fant theory: The baby is actually Vergil's. He's sparing nero from becoming part of the dmcverse

[@mr.platinum8388]

Doesn't that mean that Donte just smacked down/slashed up his nephew?

[@MegaBichiX]

@@mr.platinum8388 you say that like he hasnt done that before

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

@@mr.platinum8388 i mean, if Sparda and Mudus are related in this universe then that means he's slashing and shooting the shit out of his cousin here

[@Famygdala]

I think even this Vergil has some standards. Or more accurately for this universe, is too up his own ass to score.

[@Scroteydada]

Noro got yeeted but this game wasn't gonna get a sequel anyway.

[@francismorgan9752]

Y'know Lilith's taunts would be so much more effective and a lot more fun if she actually played some kind of club remix of Kat being interrogated. It'd be horrific, but it would actually fit the level theme.

[@tobechiokoye1527]

So the Raptor News Network workes as security, Mundus has god-like powers and an endless horde of demons and demon-collaborator, and now we find out that his mistress owns a club for high society demon-collanorators, yet Munuds still doesn't find Dante or learn that Vergil is a nephilim till later in the game. YOU'RE PATHETIC MUNDUS! You might as well give me your job.

[@Ticketman99]

Fucking Arius was a better boss🤣

[@Whatevsman27]

Why didn’t Mundus have better security at Lilith’s club? He knows she’s pregnant. Wouldn’t he wanna be stupid careful about that shit?

[@Whatevsman27]

@Vazazell when was it established that only the nephilim could go after her tho?

[@LV99MasterMonk]

Next episode: The greatest Devil Arm revealed!? What is the power of the mysterious "Sniper Rifle"?

[@Kektus1]

nice meme

[@Scroteydada]

Legends say it goes bang and shit dies

[@SlayerOfKleiners]

Find out next time on DmC: Fetus Defeated!

[@PureMetalDragon]

It's called the Abortionator!

[@HellecticMojo]

can't be that good since according to these two, Spiral sucked

[@TwoStarPlayers]

VERGIL LIVES IN A SOCIETY

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

NEPHILIM GAMERS RISE UP bottom text

[@Scroteydada]

WE HAVE AWOKEN

[@outriderjuno9371]

THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE WORLD

[@JackLClements]

DEMONS RISE UP

[@HellRider_]

NEPHILIM RISE UP!

[@SvarogAristaeusAllen]

The one thing Woolie and Pat haven't caught is that the sword dudes are the BSDM demons from the Sparda cutscene

[@Fjarhultian]

A demon to surpass Sparda Gear.

[@alastor8091]

So Mundus doesn't know Sparda had two kids even though he broke into their house and ripped Eva's heart out but somehow Sparda escapes with Dante and Vergil, putting them into the care of demons? How do Lilith and The Hunter know Dante's name and face but Mundus doesn't even know he exists? Shakespearean writing folks.

[@eachasteriod1334]

Alastor he also doesn’t catch on to the fact that Vergil and Dante have the same face, meaning they’re twins and therefore both nephelim

[@unversedhero6028]

The reason he went to the mansion was because of the twins, where the hell did you get the idea that he didn't know? How the hell do you think he knows Dante (who has for years shown to be abnormal for a simple human and having been able to kill demos with his bare hands) is Spardas' son? As for Mundus not knowing who Vergil is, that one is simple to explain: Vergil was smart about hidding his identity (gou know, being the leader of a "terrorist"/rebel group and all) while Dante has been hunted by demons since he was a kid and has been killing them all this time.

[@eachasteriod1334]

Unversed Hero bit even after bob barbas puts Vergil’s face on the tv, and mundus could clearly see he is an identical face to Dante, mundus is too dumb to realize he’s the twin. There’s no point for Vergil to put up the hiding in the shadows to avoid mundus if his identity has been exposed

[@zevorothrappaleano58]

Unversed Hero "two Nephilim? Two sons of Sparda?"- Mundus during his boss fight, very clearly implying he didn't know there was a second child

[@benlunaris]

Because the main villain can't be smart in ANY WAY AT ALL...That's not EDGY enough...He might aswell be some guy who skimmed a wiki page and went "Ima go kill the son of Sparda, that sounds easy!" and the Wiki says *last edited by Verg1List3hc00lest*

[@prowlingmonkey]

Now we get to the real Devilman Crybaby

[@finalstarman4186]

I like how the cutscenes of the Spawn pulling Lillith back take longer than the actual boss fight.

[@chimeratheo1855]

"Oh right, i can't knock him up." -Patrick Boivin 2018

[@Lily-gr1ct]

I know they talk about the metal band a lot, but Noisia are genuinely well regarded dubstep producers, and not just in the screechy "skrillex" sounds, but with more of the underground pure heavy bass kinda production. Still not really my thing, but seriously they're actually pretty good as far as dubstep goes. Ninja Theory really didn't skimp on soundtrack at all, despite it not being to everyone's taste

[@Jenohart]

They don't just do dubstep. In fact they're more well known for doing Drum 'n Bass (specifically the subgenre Neurofunk) which is also heavy on bass but also with fast paced drum break samples. The Hunter's (first boss) theme is closer to their older stuff basically. The "metal band" is Combichrist who are well known for doing Aggrotech, a kind of electro-industrial music. You hear it in this episode with their song "What The Fuck Is Wrong With You?" which is from one of their albums. The funny thing is that the original music they composed just for the game is all metal/industrial rock and very unlike their old material, a trend which continued to their next album released after this game which was mostly rock.

[@Exel3nce]

Yea, them and combichrist are pretty great, espeically combi

[@AncelDeLambert]

Yeah, Noisia is great, their Wreck It Ralph track is really good.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

Why wasn't that bouncer a demon and super tough?

[@diegomedina9637]

Because that game sucked.

[@PolarPhantom]

Because C O M E D Y

[@namegoeshere5220]

Because, literally *"Fuck you."*

[@omegaxtrigun]

Why would a super tough demon be guarding a club for humans and demon collaborators? It's not like they need Berial to guard a club from regular humans.

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

@@omegaxtrigun No, but when the club is owned by the mother of Mundus' child and successor, I feel like it would make more sense to have at least one guard at the door capable of taking a punch from Dante

[@NeroDeAngelo]

You know what is the most funny thing about this? About Vergil wanting to abandon Kat? That there is a two part Comic that is a prologue on the game that focuses on Vergil and how he saved Kat, what her Role is in all this and Vergil actually falling in love with her. However, because of him wanting to protect her he entered his Devil Trigger several times, which made him lose control of himself, and they both decided that Vergil actually deletes the memorys they have of their romantic feelings in order to not make Vergil fall into his Devil Trigger again. Even more funny is how he Vergil reacts to a Kat that is in danger in the DLC, buuuuut that is for another day ;)

[@gogetaSSfive]

Is this true?

[@NeroDeAngelo]

@@gogetaSSfive yes it is! The comic is called "The chronicles of Vergil"!

[@PolarPhantom]

That's... actually really interesting and there is nothing in the game suggesting that. I... am going to make a theory. That was made after the script was completed to add depth to Vergil and Kat. I think this for a few reasons, mostly because it's written so it can be easily ignored. Man, that bums me out. If we had that instead of Vergil's Downfall... Maybe even hint at a redemption arc... I dunno.

[@NeroDeAngelo]

@@PolarPhantom The thing is that Vergils downfall kinda follows up to this Comic. You see that in certain reactions of Vergil. For example, when his "Hollow" removed his heart, it had three holes. Directly after that, scenes, he suddenly had Flashbacks regarding to Kat with Scenes from the main game, mostly how she calls out for him, how he was glad that she was alive, and finally how he treated her like shit in before the final Battle, and we then see a sad Kat at the end of this flashback. After that flashback, he wakes up and sees Kat being hunted down by a demon. Dispite what happened before, he did not hesitate to try help her, to such an extend even that he goes through the entire Level just to save her. The moment before he told her that he will help her, he seemed to think about something. Maybe at that moment he was rememembering what happened to the two before the game. This would also explain why he remembered how he saved her from demons and gave her a home, and why it drove him mad when she said that Dante is a real man, and that Vergil is weak, not even half the man that Dante is. After he kills her, part of his heart was regenerated. His hate for Dante makes also more sense on a emotional Level. Vergil tried to save Dante from a place where it is said that there is no turning back from. He tried to help him get his shit together. and for what? To be betrayed by the brother he loved. Granted, Dante was in the right to defy him since Vergil wanted to rule over the humans, making him no different than Mundus (except for the whole Part where Mundus was making Humans obedient to sap their live energy to cultivate the demon realm). Anyway, for Vergil, it was betrayal from his own flesh and blood. After killing the fake Dante, his heart restored another piece. Finally he got to his mother for favouring Dante over him, giving her the ultimate Punishment of telling her that he killed Dante and throwing his pendant to her, leaving her in that pitiful prison where she is now not only suffering physically, but also mentally knowing that Vergil killed his brother and abandoned everything that was good, including her. Vergil Heart was finally restored, but there was one more thing he needs to take down... in order to make it finally his own! His own Devil, the power of the Devil Trigger he tried to repress so hard to not hurt the ones near him. He now takes on his own Demon, but not in order to get rid of him, but to finally be able to control him, to use this power the way he wants... Thinking about it like that, everything makes more sense if you read the Comic before playing Vergils downfall.

[@Graysett]

Around 2:00 Pat's talking about Virgil's weird blue gloves in this scene. I wonder if that's a holdover from when this Virgil was supposed to be a germaphobe? Also, the getting into the nightclub scene and what Pat says about it is EXACTLY what this entire game does wrong when it comes to "cool".

[@sinbadsolomon8508]

Graysett I think it is a holdover...which just makes it all the more bizarre that he has them in this version...

[@orangemcorange6872]

Dante: I'm not abandoning her! Dude, you've known her for like five days, chill.

[@gaminggoddess85]

He's known Vergil for even less time. Donte shouldn't be feeling a connection to anybody here.

[@Scroteydada]

It was love at first *immediately holding gun to face*

[@Comkill117]

“I don’t have many friends Vergin.”

[@ProxyDoug]

Dante writes woth a normal pen and it comes out looking like a marker.

[@PleasantLeech]

And the ink is a different color to the scribbles as well. It's made worse given it could've been an actually cool scene.

[@Fjarhultian]

Pen Trigger.

[@Lanewreck]

Kat explained it actually at the beginning, it's bc she is a medium, so what ever you do in limbo will affect her if directed at her. Other people can't be interacted with from limbo bc it's limbo.

[@fillosof66689]

Lanewreck1988 this. Otherwise all the populated space that Dante runs through Limbo version of would have drowned in the blood of random passersby

[@insaincaldo]

Yah, I don't know why people make up nonsense to drag this game through the mud, come on there is plenty wrong with it already. Give it some credit for the things that actually worked out.

[@sinbadsolomon8508]

Chris East Or maybe it should do more to engage the audience about details concerning its world instead of info dumping with a damsel in distress to be. Even after rewatching the play through up to this point I forgot that was the reason she could be harmed. It isn’t anyone dragging the game through the mud, it’s the game failing at making a memorable setting or lore besides making Sparda a shell of his former self.

[@Lanewreck]

Everyone should go look up steel serpent combo contest entry. It's amazing.

[@moongoose8768]

Oh, someone else already wrote my comment. Damn.

[@wybub]

Ahh, the most honorable weapon: THE *SNIPER RIFLE*

[@weeamood9615]

Just imagine the Loss meme with Mundus and Lilith, Vergil being the doctor that breaks the news to Mundus.

[@goodvillain1015]

Reminder that 1/4 demon Nero is dating a church girl.

[@RogeeRoger]

Goodvillain 101 a church girl who went to a church where they worshipped a demon

[@Graysett]

@@RogeeRoger A demon that is said boyfriend's grandfather even.

[@0rriAndroid]

A church girl who is also his sister

[@angrybrony]

@@0rriAndroid wait what?

[@EchoObserver9]

@@0rriAndroid keyword here is "STEP" sister

[@Siriuskamikaze]

Not many people know this, but there is a hidden mechanic of input buffering. Doing so raises your style meter really high, even on Hardcore mode. I.E, you go into stinger --> trillion stab, then hold R2/RT and Dante will end up doing the damage of a demon weapon w/o having to switch. You can't stun a weapon aligned demon, but you will still deal the damage. Add the buffer from demon evade and it's the equivalent of 4x's the damage. Try it, Pat.

[@Scroteydada]

His brain melted just reading this

[@tobechiokoye1527]

I just realized that the two them can do both. Dante holds Lilith hostage abd draws Mundus out of his lair while Vergil saves Kat and closes the Hell Gate.

[@evantackett5713]

Fun fact: during the development of this game, NinjaTheory actually brought someone in to help them with writing the plot (can't remember if it was someone involved with the old series or just a writing teacher). During the process the guy asked them to participate in a writing exercise where they'd follow the adventures of a chimp and they would explain what feelings each scene is supposed to convey. Eventually they got to a part where the chimp comes across somebody in grave danger, and the NT guys made the chimp flip the guy off and walk away as he's being horrifically killed, and NT guys said that this was supposed to make the chimp look "badass." So if you're wondering what type of person could ever think this shit is witty, there ya go.

[@gaminggoddess85]

Was that someone named David Cage?

[@jman2856]

So...Lilith and Muundus Jr. are able to withstand demon and angel weapons along with rebellion but yet, a regular real world human made sniper rifle is enough to kill them entirely. ...What?

[@yarution367]

What if the rifle is Spiral tho

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

Nah don't worry about it. That sniper rifle was the very same on that Sparda used when he woke up to justice and waged a one-man war on Hell itself and- oh wait that never happened because all that this Sparda has done is fuck an angel and be into BDSM or something

[@PureMetalDragon]

Ok, Pat here's the explanation as to why Dante can't kill the SWAT guys. DmC seems to have based it's Limbo on the Astral Plane of Shadowrun. When you're in Limbo/the Astral, you can see people, but they are gray shadows. Some people can see into the astral/Limbo, but when doing so their shadows become brighter, and they are vulnerable to attacks from the astral/limbo side.

[@suddenllybah]

I feel that the use of alternative worlds is older than shadowrun, given D&D has the astra plane since at least 3.x but I am not looking up tvtropes.

[@JoseRS1186]

@@suddenllybah The astral plane is a concept many thousands of years old, but sure. D&D and Shadowrun, I guess.

[@suddenllybah]

@@JoseRS1186 Ah, I forgot to put in my general thesis. If It's in D&D, it was copied from somewhere else, but I don't know the early stuff well enough.

[@skolkor]

Kind of like Berserk, Guts is in the interstice between the physical and astral plane, so he has to deal with a lot of shit from the astral plane that ordinary humans do not.

[@tmix1583]

1:02 Pat: so why didn't dante shoot the swat guys... Me: because it wouldn't have worked because they are normal. Only reason kat would die is because she is a median, someone trapped between both worlds so anything from either can hurt her. A normal person. Wouldn't be affected by limbo as they are on different plans.

[@kronigore22]

Thank you, I was just about to point that out if noone else did

[@caiopatric]

Something tells me you like this game a lot.

[@kickhoppa5891]

@@caiopatric Maybe or they just don't like people bullshitting.

[@ctrigger3]

Exactly

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

That's what I assumed, but the game didn't really do a good job of explaining that. Just a quick line of Dante asking Kat "Hey, if I can hurt you while I'm in Limbo, what about these guys trying to kill you?" and Kat just goes "I wish, but only reason you can hurt someone like me is 'cuz I'm a median, these guys are just normal humans, so your weapons will have no effect on them." It would have made it more clear to the player why they can't fight the SWAT guys during that mission, but Kat is still affected by things in both Limbo and the real world.

[@SpadeHand]

Mundus knows Dante's name and then he is a nephilim. Mundus knows Vergil's name and is INCAPABLE OF PUTTING TWO AND TWO TOGETHER?

[@Rotionpotion]

Look at Vergil's shiny neon striped pants.

[@gustavoangelo1304]

Spiral was just the sketch FOR THE REAL SNIPER RIFLE FEETUS KILLER

[@dracocrusher]

Look at Kat just unconscious in a chair as the villain hovers over her to use her as bait! SUCH A STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER, GUYS!!!

[@0rriAndroid]

Time for Dino and Vergin's revenge quest

[@Kektus1]

nice meme

[@0rriAndroid]

Thanks, I came up with it myself

[@Comkill117]

We’ve built this underground base to combat Mundus, Boss. All for revenge.

[@Scroteydada]

We must destroy the heir of the immortal ruler wait a minute

[@Kriss_ch.]

I've been catchin up on both this and the DMC4 playthrough these last couple of days and boy is that a rough contrast.

[@Comkill117]

Redministeren I think the best example of that is in the old YoVideogames playthrough where they cut the openings of 4 and DmC together.

[@yarution367]

Yeah this game has a plot

[@seanmartin355]

@@yarution367 dmc4 has way more charm then this game also the gameplay is way better

[@yarution367]

@@seanmartin355 They both have different kinds of charm they both hit that B-movie shlock fun. The gameplay in this is also done by a new team go back and compare it to DMC1 or 2 and see how you feel. for their first attempt at this type of game they did incredibly well

[@VectorVGaming]

The nightclub reminds me of the sabbath in devilman, yes go nagi's manga was a huge inspiration for the whole DMC franchise.

[@URBeast2]

"They aren't just strippers with guns! ... We took the guns away."

[@MrZoichi]

What if some schmuck unluckily named Dante showed up to this club Lilith owns and someone said his name out loud? Would he have to fight demons as a normal dude? I can only imagine the number of false Dante alarms here.

[@Robosapien_]

"WTF DO YOU MEAN DANTE IS HIS *NICK NAME!* LOOK! HE'S WEARING A RED CO.... shit."

[@yarution367]

When she scoped the place in limbo she could see Dante that's why she knew it was him

[@MrZoichi]

@@yarution367 Yeah, but she was alerted by her little brainwashed minions moaning "DanTEeeeEeEE..." at the mere mention of his name.

[@dinoboykyle]

I don't want to give this game any unfair knocks, but I think the reason Kat would die from Dante's shot in Limbo was because she's a medium, with one foot in and out of Limbo. The SWAT guys were just normal corrupt cops.

[@TheCreaturesfan1]

Kat is a medium that can interact with limbo, the swat guys weren’t. That’s why dante couldnt do the big murder to them

[@tylerhind6709]

Yeah, but didn't Dante and Vergil stand on the roof 'irl' and watch her get taken into the prison automobile rather than jumping down and murdering cops SSSavagely? -Then Vergil looked at Dante and said 'Don't worry Dante. Let's start making another one!'-

[@RandoChrisYT]

Damn, with the way Lillith's belly churned, I don't think she's with child as much as making too many late night fast food runs.

[@213joeyify]

"Oh NO, THE DEMON TACO BELL IS FIGHTING BACK!!!

[@pathfindersavant3988]

Man, theres so many moments in the game where you go "hey, that's cool!", but then the game goes ahead and puts its foot back into its mouth all over again. Is it possible to have a game that just has all the cool parts of DmC, but cuts out the trash? And by that I mean a game besides DMCV which uses a similar art style/gimmick to this game? Because honestly there's so much of this game that honestly deserved to be in a better game

[@Jojje94]

Ahh, best looking level in the game with the best score. Shoutouts to Noisia

[@Exel3nce]

And combichrist

[@MediocrePear]

How come Mundus doesn't know Sparda had two kids. When the demons stormed their house did nobody notice the dual pairs of color coordinated beds, clothes, toys etc.?

[@AzureKing963]

I'm harsh on this game all the time, but I appreciate that Dante's voice actor slurs less of his lines as the story goes on.

[@Scroteydada]

He mispronounces and slurs his lines in PlayStation all stars battle royale

[@AzureKing963]

@@Scroteydada That actually confirms it was probably intentional in this game, considering it would be weird if he did twice on accident.

[@Scroteydada]

I think the VA is Australian.

[@AzureKing963]

@@Scroteydada Yeah he is, so it could've just been his accent or his attempt at an American one.

[@chaffXgrenade]

super-cool nightclub stage it's *trying* stuff

[@auringtail]

Thanks for telling me your name. *Looks at list* That ain't your name.

[@jericho7173]

Who are you? Nero?

[@Ticketman99]

@@Scroteydada That's actually an idea I had. I even made a GameFaqs topic calling DmC: The Black Angel where I address it🤣

[@onimaxblade8988]

Anyone noticed yet, by the way, that the car they are driving is not only "V" for Vergil, but it could be read as V for five, as in DmC is technically the fifth entry and fifth DMC?

[@SinHurr]

Nah it's the first in a different line, like when you father Malfoy's bastard child it counts as a new lineage. I know what I said.

[@onimaxblade8988]

@@SinHurr Can't be having those mudbloods in the prestigious Malfoy line.

[@SinHurr]

@@onimaxblade8988 Hey bruddah, how about we go find some mudbloods and knock 'em around a bit yeah?

[@DenerWitt]

you are just making up stuff now

[@Nuke-China]

It's the Vergilmobile though

[@joshramsey912]

Does Dante even have the ability to enter Limbo on his own? He's either being dragged into it or Kat is opening gates for him.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

He hasn't mastered the ability to go through realms yet. Supposedly he can once he unlocks his full potential and powers as a Nephilim.

[@insaincaldo]

No, apparently it's kind of a wonder that he has even made it out in the past.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@insaincaldo I mean it's implied that killing the demon who drags Dante in is how he gets out, so like I guess that's how he used to do it before he found a walking can of squirrel semen

[@insaincaldo]

@@darkpuppetlordful I fucking guess

[@Seirvox]

Really, it's a good thing these demons keep pulling Dante into Limbo, otherwise we would just have entire levels of Dante murdering cops.

[@Xocists]

I'm hesitant to say how I'd improve the plot of this game, mainly because it's so rife with problems. However, If I had to suggest anything, I'd suggest the following four improvements. *1) Replace Donte with Dante.* This, quite simply, would probably be the simplest change to improve the plot by 1000%. Instead of having this obnoxious 2edgy5you atmosphere, it could have a light-hearted tone, with Dante riffing on how absurd the entire plot is. *2) Don't Retread Old Ground.* If they really wanted to distance themselves from previous installments, they shouldn't be retreading the whole Sparda/Mundus/Vergil angle. Just set the story at some random point after the events of DMC3, and make only the bare minimum of references to previous installments in the franchise. *3) Keep the Premise; Ditch the Plot.* The idea that demons are covertly behind many of society's problems isn't terrible. However, the way it's implemented could be drastically improved. Like, maybe a sect of demons have infested a city; are fuelling the inhabitants' vices as part of some mumbo-jumbo magic ritual thingy to gather power and conquer the human world or whatever. Each boss could represent a sin but channelled through a contemporary representation of said sin (consumerism for greed, fast food for gluttony, mindless television for sloth, etc.). Think DMC4 meets They Live with a dash of American Gods thrown in. *4) Focus on the Otherworldly.* Related to the above, make sure the focus is almost entirely on the world of demons and demon slayers. If there must be a connection to the mundane world, make it Kat. Instead of serving as a source of exposition before she inevitably gets damselled, she could fill a "sceptical cop" kinda role. You know, the clueless mortal who mistakes the protagonist for a villain, but slowly comes to trust and respect them as they learn more about the supernatural world. This would have the additional benefit of allowing her to serve as the straight man to Dante's... Danteness.

[@flightlessagbsls]

I think, if this trash fire could be saved somehow, you've come the closest so far.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

No, Dante is too goofy and Donte is not as bad as you guys cry all the time. He's growing as a character and just get rid of the edge pops here and there and you got a good character. If you don't like his name is Dante, then just make him a different character. I hate how everybody think that most of the problems of this game (which are a lot but don't make this a bad game, it's still pretty good) are related to Dante.

[@ninjaboy4831]

I agree with alot of your list, except I actually enjoy the idea of retreading old ground in reboots to see the differences. Don't make the EXACT same plot by no means, but the "ooh that's just similar enough or a cool reference" feeling is awesome. The downward triangle tattoo Pat made fun of, while arguably stupid is a cool thing because it's the same but different. If this game's story had continued (maybe not even as a game but an indie comic for those interested in seeing the world grow) it would have been cool to see revisions of other characters like Trish, Nero, etc. Different quirks with underlined traits that are integral to their characters.

[@flightlessagbsls]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo yeah I guess I just hate that his somewhat witty lines are few and far between. If you take out the "fuck you" attitude or at least reduce it, I'd like him more than a quarter of the time. Maybe start out that way but grow into something else. That woulda been cool

[@ninjaboy4831]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo I'll agree Dante is way too over the top for this version of his universe. People seem to not get that with a narrative like this game failed at making would be just as bad with O.G.D. for the simple fact of "if this guy doesn't give a fuck, why should I." But also, while I feel DmC Dante is hated a wee bit too much, I feel you are building up character that he does not have. If they had kept the demon orphanage stuff more engrained in his motivation or something that might have helped.

[@fakeigniz13]

Ninja Theory made a boss out of Fetus of God, whereas Capcom thought it'd be crass and stupid.

[@Darkoriax17]

Oh…I hate this sentence but it’s true…god imagine if Jedah showed up as a hidden boss in a Devil May Cry game? Oh I can only imagine the cancer that fight would be. “Oh you’ve done half my health in damage let me just HEAL THAT BACK AFTER HITTING YOU THREE TIMES.”

[@KingTimmahB]

I hope DMC5 has a moment where a demon boss refers to Lady as "the prostitute with the big guns"

[@Comkill117]

What if she piloted a demon that becomes a big gun in 5 instead?

[@Darkknightzoey]

Ah, the Night Club level. Definite proof that Ninja Theory was composed of a tremendous art design team being slowly strangled to death by a writing team high on the smell of their own farts.

[@AfroMetalMizu]

Oooooh. The legendary weapon handed down to Vergil by his father, The Sniper Rifle, is revealed next ep....

[@0rriAndroid]

"I can't knock him up" -Pat

[@ben-manvibing162]

There's a stock gasp sound effect before the 5 minute mark....

[@crazyfighter13]

"we respect women!" Woman in the game. "i am nothing without this baby and my entire value and agency in this world is entirely tied to my ability to reproduce." .........

[@trevingrayek791]

Her situation does suck. Mundus would probably kill her as soon as she delivered the baby. That said, it doesn't go far with that idea and isn't presented that way, so yeah, still pretty fucked up. Don't know why we expect much from a company whose head is an open and proud misogynist.

[@crazyfighter13]

@@trevingrayek791 The really fucked up thing is you never fight her. You fight her baby.

[@Scroteydada]

What if this game was Dante seeing first hand that he should be more sympathetic towards these demons as the game continues, but Vergil and Kat never consider it? The hunter, Slurm Queen and Barbas would've been the indulgent, simple beginning and the rest of the bosses different.

[@trevingrayek791]

@@Scroteydada But that actually sounds like a good idea. We can't expect the developers to just...follow through with an idea.

[@suddenllybah]

She is getting screwed by the villian...

[@FairOnFire]

DMC3 Lady doesn't strike me as a stripper, relatively harmless costume design there. DMC4 Lady on the other hand sure does. She sure does...

[@darkmaster7411]

You can counter the dream runners when they're coming out of their portals.

[@Dd5yr5g]

If demons can control and shape limbo why not make a room full of lava?

[@DenimGiant]

So I had an idea on how to fix this game's story and make it interesting. When Sparda (a demon knight who turned against his own kind and married an angel, living with her on earth and fighting for humanity) and his wife Eva (Angel who similarly abandoned heaven to live on Earth) are found by the demon assassins, Eva grabs the boys and runs while Sparda stays to fight the demons, Dante gets separated and somehow escapes but is lost. Eva and Vergil are cornered by an assassin demon and Eva is slain but as she dies, Vergil absorbs her power, which causes his previously black hair to become white with power, but makes him easier to track because his power is detectable while Dante is below the radar but still strong. This explains why Vergil is in hiding. Sparda is captured and chained, and is kept in Mundus' personal chambers a trophy of his triumph and superiority. He's also possibly being used as a battery of power? (Depends on whether you want to paint Mundus as a leech of power, the cause for his world dominating power?). Then the game proceeds as normal. Dante is who he is and at the end when he kills Mundus, he frees his father who is emaciated but proud of his son, he dies in his son's arms, Dante absorbs his pwoer and his hair becomes white, and he absorbs his father as a Devil Arm, the sword Sparda. Instead we got this.

[@rporche2600]

Best level design hands down and the music so good

[@Rufus2k2]

"If i'm gonna upgrade the gun, might as well make the gun OK." "But then you better fucking use it." "Naw." I love you, Pat.

[@trevingrayek791]

Next time on Dmc: Devil May Cry -a scene that shows what the average Pro-lifer thinks an abortion is like

[@rand0md00d3]

Wait You're telling me this *isn't* how an abortion works?

[@trevingrayek791]

@@rand0md00d3 I was shocked too!

[@Scroteydada]

Just imagine it's a libtard and relax guys

[@DARKNATUREXD]

Yo the club is such a cool design. Really makes me think that this game would be super cool if it wasn't a DMC game

[@redhellreaper9421]

Why would they end arguably the best mission in the game with the worst fight in the game?

[@Corrector1]

Any quality seen in this game is accidental.

[@Scroteydada]

*quick zoom into surprised face*

[@Wol1427]

They didn't, they split the missions, so it doesn't quite count.

[@SamuraiCaveman]

Because their environment artists are good but the combat designers sucked.

[@CRAZEH247]

1:05 It seems silly when you think about it at the surface. But on a double think you would realise that Kat is the only one (for all intents and purposes in this game) that can access both Limbo and Real World at the same time. Everyone else can only be in one thing at one time. Even Vergil. There are probably other mediums like her but this game eludes to that. 17:40 It's not a Tutorial. It's a tip.

[@VectorVGaming]

Akira Fudo (Dante) & Ryo Asuka (Vergil)

[@rand0md00d3]

yeah but akira and ryo are cooler though

[@drs4983]

00:52 Might have an answer for that, shooting Kat would kill her since she is somewhat connected to Limbo, the swat guys wouldn't be affected since they are wholly in the regular world

[@willg8035]

The fact the music goes SILENT AS YOU BEAT ON A DEFENSELESS MOTHER is fucking incredible. Just fucking amazing.

[@rhymeswithpicard8202]

“Mental illness in the club with binaural audio” sounds like dissociation feels.

[@garrettcarter2959]

How does Mundas not know who Vergil is? He knew Dante was the Son of Sparda. How could he not know about the other child? This make no sense.

[@boyo357]

Vergil's been in hiding the whole time and actually stayed hidden unlike Dante who just murdered demons all the time. And even now it's why Dante does everything and Vergil doesn't actually fight since it'd be like "oh there's another Nephilim"

[@posterboy0007]

What? It's not like they have a picture of Vernin that they can put on the news and...oooooooooooooooooooh...

[@eachasteriod1334]

boyo357 mundus is also too stupid to realize two people with the same face are twins.

[@cillbipher2613]

Let's not forget that Mundus literally walked into Sparda's house, where BOTH sons were at, and he still didn't know about Vergin. And like the other guy said, they had a freaking picture of Vergin they used on the news and Mundus still didn't figure it out. This game's Mundus is a freaking dumbass

[@Scroteydada]

Vergil was in a prep school meaning he was underground and never drank slurm

[@stripedgillette3580]

Finally, they're playing my favorite mission in the game. The shifting environment is best here, the difficulty picks up, and the boss fight isn't half-bad. Also, bosses trash talking you throughout the level is always the best.

[@averagej6310]

Im gonna prolly get shit for this but the question Pat brought up about how "if Dante couldve shot Kat in the beginning why couldnt he shoot the S.W.A.T. guys?". In the second mission after Dante and Kat meet again she explains to him that she is a phsycic medium, meaning she can pass in between Limbo and the real world, and thus can see through others in Limbo while being in the real world like Dante and Vergil. Only her though. While in Limbo, Dante cant ineract with humans and vice versa. So yea the answer is right there if you pay attention, but then again it is DMC Devil May Cry so yall probably arent

[@NinjaxShadowXx]

Nice stage design I would like a whole character action game where you fight in club stages like this. I feel like Suda would be down for it.

[@moongoose8768]

Re 0:50, Kat is a medium and has a different relationship with Limbo than everyone else, hence her ability to communicate with those in both realities simultaniously.

[@thestrahl8420]

The lack of tornado usage is disturbing

[@Th3SmartAlec]

25:45 Okay, this boss gets rewarded for just being uncomfortable.

[@TheFakeZaymond]

The best thing that came from this game was Noisia doing the club soundtrack

[@philipcheng1618]

"Our game treats women with respect" XD

[@ZetaStriker0000]

I assume he didn't shoot every SWAT guy because they weren't seers like Kat, and therefore have no connection to Limbo through which he could harm them.

[@GoldLight73]

I don't much care for dubstep, but it makes for a damn good level aesthetic.

[@diegomedina9637]

Wait until you hear the best/worse music in the Game.

[@Exel3nce]

Good thing that there is no typical Dubstep ^^

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

*In this episode of Pante and Wergils Wacky Antics, we drop some acid to fight demon Fran Drescher*

[@ZetaStriker0000]

For blue enemies: Round trip on Aquila, as well as Proper/Shredder, Streak and Raze on Osiris, all have great hit stun. For maximum damage output, it's usually best to use Round Trip for a long stun and use Arbiter/Eryx for damage while they're locked in.

[@Arbal3st]

Wait...so your saying Kat sounds like his mmmmmmmmuther?

[@zoogzinnizgooz542]

25:46 hey look, the baby has a Twi'lek in its pocket

[@Knightess]

The reboot was not kind to Berial.

[@PushyPillow]

To be fair, Kat probably would get shot by Dante because she's a psychic and projecting herself halfway to Limbo or something. I'm not saying it's a good reason but it's there.

[@TeamHedge]

The juvenile in me can't let go that Pat keeps saying "I can't knock him/them up" in this playthrough and others when he's referring to knocking enemies into the air. How nice of Pat though to want to give Vergil more targets to practice with.

[@jcace13]

There may be nothing more annoying in any media than “Risk entire world for girl I’ve known for 3 hours.”

[@coolboyyo654]

Style on the fetus, Dante

[@laharlkent]

Mundus is Dante's uncle, it's his nephew.

[@tacofriday5395]

You do get the tank top costume but you have to beat son of Sparta mode

[@Gustavozxd13]

3:23 this goddamn face is so funny goddamn it

[@thebeardedmen]

Omg Pat hit the nail on the distinction between Kat and Trish.

[@Brandon_Powell]

0:50 Because Kat is a witch and she's able to exist in both dimensions simultaneously.

[@EnvyMizuhashi]

28:57 LOLOLOL!!! I forgot how hilariously stupid that shot AND cut is! xD

[@Tenchigumi]

0:50 The likely reason as to why Cat would die if Dante shot her (and not the SWAT team members) is because she's a medium who has a spiritual connection to Limbo. Her actual body isn't in Limbo, but her spirit is, and it appears to be vulnerable to the nastiness that resides there (including Donte). 6:38 "He could have Limbo-slipped into the club, too." So speaking of Cat, she's the one who helps Dante get in and out of Limbo, so no, he couldn't Limbo-slip into the club.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Pat: I can't knock him up.

[@apexknight9356]

Hell yeah! Finally, the coolest part of this game. Lilith's club is the coolest level and the coolest song in this game. Noisia really out did themselves. It's the only song I still listen to to this day. If anyone else likes electronic music like I do I highly recommend listening to the entire composition. "Lilith's Club" by Noisia. Edit: I noticed that pat made a comment saying the song changed around 20:46. Nope it's the same song. ;3 The entire theme in between the arena battles is the same composition. It's awesome.

[@Exel3nce]

And just the whole combichrist Album for this game

[@scientificbrony]

"Oh yeah I'll give you to mundus" said vergil, hmm I'm starting to suspect he isn't a nice guy

[@salsamancer]

Oh good here it comes... the best worst scene in this game!!