Supercharger in Oslo, NIO and boat chargers

[@steffen1182]

Germany: struggel to get E-Cars on the road Norway: start building charge station for E-Boat 😔

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

23:28 many electric ferries have a backup generator for reliability, if land change fails, they can start the generator to continue operation. Bastø Fosen are building electric for Horten-Moss, but they will need charging every arrival, and they have a generator to start if they charging fails, to continue operation, serving customers.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

@@Dan-fo9dk you are probably right, I just herd an interview with somone from Bastø-Fosen, but I don't remember how old that interview was. Talked about bulding their charging towers, how they wanted to keep a backup generator for reliable service. And how they changed their plans from hybrid to fully electric normal operation. And how they made their desition for economy even without goverment subsidy.

[@pablosquared4868]

Interesting stuff. Norway is thinking electric, much more than here in the UK. Thanks, Bjorn.

[@Foersom_]

7:30 Charger spec. plate: The input to this charger is the the power net specified in the section "AC Input". The charge will use 400 V (3 phase), max 430 A. P = 400 V * sqrt(3) * 430 A = 298 kW. The AC input is transformed and converted to DC. The "Post DC output" output power 250 kW is the max that goes to the dispenser. The "DC Input/Output" 575 kW you mentioned appear to be a middle stage. I think it is for connecting a battery buffer bank. Hopwever there appear to be no battery buffer cabinets. So with 6 charger cabinets and 18 dispenser, 3 stalls will share 298 kW - charger losses (~10%) = ~270 kW, so ~90 kW per stall when used by 3 EVs.

[@winkcla]

I'm wondering if that intermediate DC line might be connecting the cabinets with each other? That would mean that the total power of all cabinets could be directed to any of all stalls?

[@ikocheratcr]

More of this type, yes please. electric boats, down town views, harbor views, chargers, etc. yes.

[@MrBobLewis]

I like Björn checking out whats goin on in Oslo. More videos! Electric boats FTW! And of course: I WANT A PORTABLE KEMPOWER DC CHARGER!!! NOW!

[@Foersom_]

Great to see more leisure boats becoming electric and good to see that they can use standard CCS chargers or IEC connectors.

[@madsfrancke6538]

Nice video Bjørn. Good to get some info on what is going on in Oslo in the electric area. As a boat person this is great news!

[@bephremb]

Your passion is contagious! Just bought my second ev & your videos have been priceless. Keep up the great work :)

[@JohnSmith-rf1tx]

7:30 Bjorn, you're not reading/understanding the nameplate on the V3 supercharger cabinet correctly. In addition to each cabinet being able to draw power from the grid, V3 cabinets are all interconnected via a DC bus so they can share power between each other or from a connected battery system if one was installed alongside the chargers. This is how they get around the problem of sharing or splitting power and it's why it doesn't really matter which stall you plug into. Even if your cabinet is already reached the max it can draw from the grid, it can still draw power from another cabinet that has extra capacity. From the AC grid, each cabinet has a maximum continuous load of 350 kVA. On the interconnected DC bus, each cabinet can draw up to a maximum of 575 kW. That power on the DC bus is input/output at between 880-1000V. This was the section you were looking at and misinterpreting. But the power from a cabinet to a charging stall is still capped at 250 kW and is still output from 0-500V. V3 don't support 800V or 1000V charging. This is laid out in the section of the plate that is called "POST DC Output". The 1MW figure is from 4 supported stalls each with a max output of 250 kW. In practice, however, this isn't really the case. What the cabinets can support is ~325 kW draw from the grid (accounting for power factor and AC-to-DC conversion efficiency), combined with 575 kW draw from the other cabinets onsite or a connected battery system. That gives ~900 kW for continuous load. And it can probably support up to the full 1MW for short bursts by overdrawing the AC power. So, in theory, the 4 stalls connected to a single cabinet might be able to each draw 250 kW simultaneously. But in order for this to happen, there would have to be enough spare capacity on the rest of the site so that the other cabinets could export the full 575 kW to the cabinet in question.

[@lesbendo6363]

Canada is waaayyyy behind. LOL Circle K is a Canadian Company!

[@mrKiHa]

I'm happy they rebrand to Circle K, and not Alimentation Couche-Tard. That logo is funny

[@Eric_Garrison]

Can't wait to visit that NIO House in Norway when it's done, looks awesome.

[@mattheginger]

Why support auto makers from a country that oppresses and commits genocide against its own people. Not to mention dismantling democracy in Hong Kong and threatening war against Taiwan? It’s only a matter of time before western car manufacturers are frozen out of the Chinese market.

[@Eric_Garrison]

@@mattheginger Not sure where you live that you can avoid any products made by chinese companies, made in china, or made with materials harvested from China, but please do stay safe up there on your high horse.

[@mattheginger]

@@Eric_Garrison , so in your opinion we need to be on a ‘high horse’ to be against genocide and brutal oppression? Good to know. You sound like a wonderful human being.

[@Eric_Garrison]

@@mattheginger yes you got it. Now once again please explain to me how you are able to avoid buying from Chinese companies, China made products, or products using materials harvested from China. I genuinely look forward to your response here, because I'd love to be able to avoid supporting genocide and oppression as well.

[@mattheginger]

@@Eric_Garrison , it’s not so much about avoiding every trace of Chinese produced commodity in the value chain (basically impossible). It’s more about avoiding high value finished goods from Chinese companies. The CCP is great at luring western and Asian companies in, stealing technology then freezing them out and favouring their own companies built around that stolen tech. Completely breaching WTO rules.

[@fotokalland4576]

The Nesoddvessels were converted from gas to all electric around 2019, each boat has the same capacity as "20 Teslas combined" Power output at the cargers are 2x1900kW.

[@anthonycain6643]

Very informative video from Oslo, enjoyed the content and format. Well done you and Norway.

[@crowaerospaceandadventure5415]

I did not have a home charging situation the first two years I owned my Model 3, I would do some supercharging and also public level 2, much of which was free. It can be done, but it's a bit of a hassle. Much better if you can charge a home. You should come to the states and test drive a Y Bjorn! If you come to Colorado I'm sure a lot of people in the Denver Tesla Club would love to meet you.

[@danielburges8176]

Enjoyed this episode thank you - loved the exploration aspect of it!

[@anydaynow01]

I like this video format as an addition to your others!

[@stefanbohm8526]

I really enjoyed the video. Lots of information, despite living in Germany

[@paulwinter9672]

Great video, loved seeing your downtown harbour area.🙂

[@huggybear1]

Yes I like the new format.

[@RL-fd4jv]

Was looking forward to you going with the Model 3 SR+

[@kbhasi]

(14:22) Nope! Not only that! According to their Norweigan launch presentation video, it won't be a "NIO Space" (showroom), it'll be a full-on "NIO House"! At least with the ones in China, there's the public area with the showroom on the lower floor, and the club space for owners on the upper floor! I think that particular first location will be called "NIO House Oslo".

[@pawelzebrowski683]

Kempower is great

[@vidarv.9010]

Made in Finland

[@paul-exist]

Very good video. I'm constantly learning something new from your videos. Make more such videos with news and how to live with EV in Oslo / Norway.

[@jasonblair4057]

Very cool. 🇳🇴 is light years ahead of Canada 🇨🇦 when it comes to go electric. Thanks for showing some interesting stuff going on.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

9:08 maybe there is a lower limit where it is free, as if they estimate you did not park. In Kristiansand, I clocked 3 minutes at "easypark" for free, but had to pay when it was 9 minutes, maybe they have a limit at 5 minutes, I don't know about "onepark" if they charge 38 NOK for any short time, or if they have a lower threshold.

[@TrulsHJohnsen]

NIO is exciting news! NIO house is more of a community centre, rather a showroom (check their website and other NIO Houses around the world). I'm not sure how we Norwegians will react to the NIO way of doing things, we are far to old fashioned in this country.. New ideas and different ways of thinking/doing things scare the majority of the common Norwegian. Just look at how most people reacted to Ev's here when they started to arrive... Also; being Chinese, NIO will undoubtedly be met with a lot of negative/suspicious comments from "Ola dunk". We've been thought that way; Chinese is bad. Kind of ridiculous, all the while we're using Chinese hardware/technology all the time in our everyday life. 😂 I welcome NIO, their fresh way of futuristic thinking is much needed. 👍

[@winkcla]

I notice the supercharger spec label still says "4 OUTPUT" at the top. The label is identical to the one I have seen in Switzerland where it's connected to 4 stalls. I wonder how they are wired internally since there's a DC Input/Ouput section saying 880-1000V and the POST DC Output section saying 0-500V Is there maybe a shared DC line between all supercharger cabinets that would allow sharing the 575kW * between all stalls?

[@tydlig]

Maybe someone commented already about it, but the input voltage shows 880-1000V and output 0-500V. So thats just how this charger is constructed. Its some sort of step down conversion to the car. To say it supports future 800V systems seems to be rather optimistic since it clearly shows 500V max output.

[@larsltj]

Best video I've seen from you Bjørn. Looking forward to see more electric boat stuff 👍😀

[@chandreshchodvadiya1786]

somthing diffrent, i like it

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Kul,bra video!👍 Roligt att se lite annat än bara bilar. Fortsätt med sådana här videos 👍 lite bra reklam för Norge med😎. Ha en fin midsommar 🌹

[@user-in1gn6fw2eab]

There is a V3 SC in a parking Garage of a Shopping Center in Munich!

[@siegfriedwegmann5821]

I like the report style. And maybe more boats😇

[@susihormon7821]

I liked the „take away“ Dc-charger. Next thing would be flying water taxis like in canada …float planes in electric.

[@nfcknblvbl]

I kind of enjoy having access to urban superchargers in the city here in America. I don't feel as bad knowing that my car's charging at a reasonable speed for the battery pack.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

12:15 not just "when", but also how, an at what price? Will it only be "Tesla plug and charge" compatible vehicles, and/or might they provide other ways to start charging? Will it cost more than for Teslas? Will it cost different depending on authentication method?

[@menthe885]

I love such videos :D WHAT so many V3 SuperChargers, HOW NEAT IS THAT! Doing the same trip next week. :)

[@rickyb1448]

Hyundai probably has been watching your vids and because you have been recently saying “Ioniq go home!” that is why you are getting the press car late!!! BTW, because of you I decided to purchase an Ioniq (2019 BEV) as my first electric. Love it. Too bad there is virtually no DC infrastructure here in “Winterpeg” Canada. Cheers from where the real winter happens ❄️🌬!

[@bjornnyland]

But I did say "e-tron go home" many times and I got the e-tron GT early and kept it for one week. Your joke failed. lol

[@tymanot]

Thanks for the Video Björn. Prety interesting I have to say.

[@jontes3161]

Very interesting video Björn, thanks for sharing! :)

[@mrKiHa]

ES8 testing next Week, have good impression of Nio sofar

[@GaryJohnWalker1]

Nice format video - bundle of various but interesting stuff. That's quite a range of EVs NIO seem to be bringing to Norway? Europe?: UK (ha!)? QR works a treat.

[@dennisvanhelden9253]

Superchargers in a parking garage? Interesting choice! The NIO store. NIO, if you're watching, lend this man a car for testing and review and give him a tour of the store when it's finished!

[@victorseal9047]

I sure I heard you say " my sponsors will stop the KZbin advertising interruptions ". It doesn’t seem to be the case at the moment !?

[@vr9828]

I really think that when it comes to parking lots in city centers, Tesla should at least open up those superchargers to other EV's. Not sure about that garage Björn showed, but if parking lots are a scarce resource, they should not be reserved to Teslas only.

[@radbaron]

At least the Tesla chargers in Europe seem to be compatible with any car (CCS) . In North America, they have this weird Tesla-Triangle-D that will only fit their cars. Very "Apple" way of doing things.

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@radbaron they actually started with the Tesla Plugs here in Europe aswell and switched to CCS later....

[@mikaeloverby]

The ferry that goes to the islands in oslofjorden are fossil. But the big ferry that goes from Aker Brygge to Nesodden are electric, prinsen, kongen and dronningen. They were fossil ferries, but got rebuild to ev boat

[@williamlabarre4755]

Kongen was converted to electric operation. Might be some leftover exhaust pipes...

[@georgepelton5645]

Bjørn, How does riding the MS Ampere, the electric ferry at Lavik-Oppedal, and getting a report from its operators? It has been operating for over 5-6 years now, IIRC. How is the 1 MWh battery holding up?

[@catalicos]

Yes! Yes to this kind of videos. To me, it's like looking into the future 😂🙄😭

[@MannyBoy1230]

Video idea. I saw a Mark Felton video about an island fort in the Oslo Fjord that used guns from the 1800's to fire upon German warships invading Norway during WWII. Seems like a cool spot to see you visit. Maybe take an electric boat from Oslo?

[@Alice-D-23]

i like it. do more of this...

[@steffenfrkjr1424]

more of this.. and not just from Oslo :)

[@zaferroni]

Nice one .

[@rafiekishak]

Nice, keep up with these kind of video's 👍😀

[@pawelzebrowski683]

Many boats are now hybrids , even in Poland

[@rangerbb0190]

Very interesting seeing somthing difrent :-)

[@Planetside2Simon8989]

Please review the NIO ET7 when it comes out

[@chrisness]

fun vlog :)

[@darrencox150]

MG5 EV review? Keep up the great work.

[@mikaeloverby]

Vet dem når tesla supercharger åpnes på Lørenskog?

[@plojo]

Not sure what is the point of V3 SuC in parking garage. The car will charge so fast that doesn’t give you time to enjoy any amenities in the city. Aren’t any urban superchargers in Europe?

[@francescoboselli6033]

I don't know in other European countries, but here in Italy, all the supercharger are placed in the cities suburbs, some (for example the one of Brescia and Forlì) are placed in a shopping centre park, or usually in 1/2km range bu the highway junction of that city. Some instead aren't placed near big cities, but near important highway junction, like the ones of Affi and Brennero. In my opinion is also quite the risk place a supercharger underground: after all we are talking of cars that charge at 250kW/h, if something went wrong and a auto caught fire, it will be problematic to extinguish the fire

[@Hagledesperado]

"Kongen" was converted from LNG to electric. Hence the exhaust chimneys, I guess?

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

@EE yes, common to have a backup solution, to continue operation, if charging fails.

[@pigedehekkan]

If the parking fee is triggered by automatic license plate recognition, shouldn't the fee be minute based like EasyPark and many other places?

[@bjornnyland]

Nope, it counts every 30 minute chunks.

[@pigedehekkan]

@@bjornnyland That's very unfortunate. But I can understand the tactic as several people will experience having to pay "double".

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

20:06 I want this boat, but it's probably way over my budget. 😢

[@eb1888.]

Check the BYD models coming.

[@Rene5200]

i can scan all the qrcodes

[@hamfish225]

GTX makes me think of graphics cards for computers xD

[@FSXgta]

I will wait for the RTX model hehe

[@tomaszucieszynski7185]

8:10 upper row.. "charger , 350kVA.... 4 output"...

[@tzdkb]

Sadly here in China there are only Superchargers within cities, eg in parking lots etc since all the highway chargers are part of the state grid network which is owned and run by the government.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

1:30 The QR-code has no paticularly interesting info, only serial number.

[@MrBageren]

what. What a joke you only can get the Ioniq 5 ca. one day, OMG ! damn noobs. Well but you then get one and borrow, And heck I look forward to seeing you through testing that car. Thanks again for all your great videos.

[@gregoredelmann4526]

SC: 1000 V for Semi !!!?? over 1000 V you get more safety requirements.

[@kasmopaya2676]

Probably 4680 cells. 800 volt.

[@Danne89]

Great video!!

[@moestrei]

300kW Hypercharger: Nissan Leaf gently sucking electrons.....instead of using one of the 50kW chargers.

[@davidsommen1324]

I hope NIO works on charging speed and don't waste time, money and opportunity trying to prop up battery swap. I don't believe that battery swap makes much sense in a European context - if the car can provide nice charging speed with a good charging curve.

[@callistoscali4344]

Depends if you can even find a spot to charge and park on a daily basis.

[@davidsommen1324]

@@callistoscali4344 What do you mean exactly? It makes more sense to me to invest in chargepoints than battery swap stations, that are proprietary by their very nature.

[@JJSmith1100]

Mmmm, looking at all the APS on your phone I think it is time someone develops an app to talk to all those apps by it self.

[@vorsprungelektro]

👍🏻🔋

[@marcsimmonds7814]

That Nio looks huge next to the estate car behind it.

[@JohSno]

I see a hole, I poke in it.

[@EdmondG.]

New Fiat 500 Electric Test? Not everyone can bus a Tesla or an ID4 ahahaha

[@moestrei]

Just buy 2nd hand Tesla. Even high mileage, early Teslas are good cars now days as most issues have been resolved by previous owner/warranty.

[@CronaTech]

You will find a video about the BBGreen boat at this link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6uaY2eXdq2pa7c

[@zoltronr6]

Norway is living in the future.

[@marcsimmonds7814]

Apart from the plans for drilling for oil in the Arctic.

[@Alice-D-23]

ah yea and test this new chinese rolls royce 2.5 t 6.6 m long monster ev

[@peterbess9243]

You should tell your viewers. The reason for the Chinese and all the other (EV) car manufacturers investing in Norway it's because there is tax relief on every (EV) car in Norway. The day that the government drops tax relief sales will drop like stone. Just look at what happened in Denmark.

[@randomgoodnessca]

I’m not Norwegian but as I understand it, Norway is taxing fossil cars and rebating EVs. I don’t know the end result financially for the government but I would assume they must be near break even and they’re doing it for sustainability which to me makes sense. Not sure why this makes you upset. Governments around the world are starting to do this, GHG emissions must slow for us to survive, this is one way to do this.

[@peterbess9243]

@@randomgoodnessca It's not sustainable over time.

[@randomgoodnessca]

@@peterbess9243 that it true, financially it only works until sales of EVs reach 50%, after that there is no longer sufficient revenue coming in from the taxes on fossil cars. To my knowledge Norway is the only country to reach this milestone, so the strategy should continue to work for other countries until they reach 50%. Hopefully during that time Lithium batteries come down in cost bringing them closer to par of fossil cars.