Why Season 6 of Game of Thrones is So Mixed

A video essay/critique on game of thrones season 6 where I look at why the season is so mixed. Some people think season 6 is outstanding with the Battle of the bastards and the trial of the seven, and others thinks it's bad because of the David and Dan's writing.
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Timecodes:
Intro (0:00)
Disparity in Quality of Writing (0:24)
Big Payoff in Subplots (5:25)
Cinematography (10:10)
BOB and Great Sept Explosion (14:00)
Conclusion (18:44)

[@erosama4887]

Can't believe they just ended Game of Thrones on a cliffhanger with the season 6 finale. Hope we get a proper continuation in season 7.

[@jasonarmstrong9656]

You mean cliffhanger of season 4 right? And a proper continuation for season 5-8

[@Birrrrra]

@@jasonarmstrong9656 5-13

[@Turin_Turumba]

Got some good news for ya!

[@karanpalsinghsandhu7399]

@@Turin_Turumba what

[@SentientPotato3]

aren't there already 8 seasons of game of thrones?

[@pluto9]

Lord Tywin wasn’t just holding Westeros together, he was holding the entire show together.

[@kyochan7449]

🤣 you got that right. sometimes he gives me them overly father chills. Just have to appear in the room and you better be doing something right.

[@Jordyback]

Honestly it's funny you say this, as I was talking to my dad about GoT, and he basically said the exact same thing in that the show started going downhill when Tywin died

[@rick7424]

Ser Jorah pulled the wrong dwarf up when Tyrion fell into the water.

[@RicketyRocketyRoo]

​@@rick7424loll tyrion died that day. or maybe it having to spend weeks in a box putting his poop through a hole

[@ContactsNfilters]

​@@rick7424turns out he was infected with greyscale, but it only affected his brain and his appetite for babies.

[@megashark1013]

The Battle of the Bastards is a great example of an event that looks incredible, and feels incredible, but makes no bloody sense.

[@csspezzzz]

Season 8 is that too, but remove feel incredible

[@SentientPotatoXIII]

I agree, they went for spectacle over sense. A lot of movies and lesser tv shows do that, I've noticed but this was honestly worse.

[@petrfedor1851]

IT gets infinitly worse once you know tiniest bit about how battles worked irl.

[@mallex9310]

The scenes and action are so engaging but like.. Jon should've died so many times. The show was actively pointing out Jon has plot armor 😂😂

[@Chadius_Thundercock]

People always want to eat luxury. Lobster, caviar, salmon, king crab, foods that are expensive but are an experience to never forget. That’s GOT seasons 1-4. But sometimes, all you want is some chicken wings covered in BBQ sauce with a ice cold beer while you watch a sports game. Simple, yet very enjoyable. That’s the battle of the bastards

[@saadmohammad5758]

I just realized, Arya was able to walk in the streets of Bravos after getting stabbed multiple times by an assassin until she found a place to rest but on the other hand, Lancel Lannister couldn't walk across a hall inside a basement after getting stabbed by a child.

[@ZayXVII]

also roose bolton being on the floor after one stab

[@whoknowswhocares885]

He was also shot by an arrow and bedridden for months afterward.

[@NoahHunterGamble]

Pretty sure lancel was stabbed in the spine so that does make a little sense.

[@thorCast]

To be fair, a stab or multiple to the stomach won't kill or disable you right away. But without surgery there's practically zero chance of recovery. You're stomach contents are spilling into your body cavity causing burning and inflammation but most of all infection. And surviving that kind of wound is just not possible for a little girl with no protective fat layer or anything

[@sikness1924]

​@@thorCastbefore walking around Braavos she was swimming on a contaminated river, she should have died from the infection

[@kristenbartholomew4209]

I originally thought that Jon Snow’s “plot armor” was part of the plot. He was the light bringer, the prince that was promised, yada yada yada. Some higher power is looking out for him, which is why every arrow volley misses. But since they did absolutely nothing with that after season six that retroactively robs the BOB of any logic.

[@shapesnatch1341]

Actually an interesting idea. Shame it all went nowhere

[@user-mc6nm1ru3o]

@@shapesnatch1341 Yeah, if they would have done a proper "Lightbringer" Plotline with Jon Snow. But since they decided to run the ridicules "Lol Arya kills the Night King1!1! exPeCTaTIOnS sUBvErTeD1" Route, his Plot Armor is now unjustified and ridicules.... I cant say it often enough: These. Writers. Are. Fucking. Stupid.

[@mayankbisht7691]

@@shapesnatch1341 No it isn't, it is GOT, the show which was without or with minimal plot armour.

[@user-mc6nm1ru3o]

@@blaubeer8039 GRRM is slow as fuck for not publishing the Books anymore.

[@westrim]

@@blaubeer8039 That's wrong. It is Tolkien, in that GRRM is on record clearly stating that Tolkien is his number one influence, and that the ending will be highly modeled on that of LOTR. The expectation is that defeating the white walkers will be the rough equivalent of the War of the Ring, followed by the Scouring of the Shireish battle at Kings Landing (the show got the rough events right, just executed them horribly). He is also on record saying that Jon is directly modeled on Frodo - who never got over the war and soon sailed into the Nor- I mean, West. Jon WILL save the world - and depart. And there is no Aragorn to do mopup.

[@dart2475]

Kts kinda a pet peeve and its not really important, but Rickon’s fate really pissed me off, as the last uncrippled son of Ned Stark his life was really important, and it makes no sense that the Umbers would turn him in since not only were they Stark loyalists, but they’d sheltered the kid for years. Idk, its things like this, sloppily mopping up plots in ways that destroy characters that caused the show to die.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

It's like the writers got bored/didn't know what to do with most of the cast and the only solution they could ever come up with was, "fuck it, just kill them off so we can move on".

[@hungarianbeast]

@@Xero_Kaiser Like they did in S8E5.... The thing that pisses me of about BoB is that show Ramsay is supposed to be really strategic, then why the fuck did he come out of Winterfell to face of against an army. I know it looks better, but it makes no sense.

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Fuckin smalljon threw a table over robb instead of shielding himself, at the twins, in the book. And is a traitor in the show

[@Uellp]

Plus, nobody cared about him after his death. They didn't show his siblings grief even a little bit.

[@Stego1819]

@@hungarianbeast Äh Ramsey had a way bigger army why should he hide in his castle and wait till Jon gets reinforcements if he can just go out and destroy them.

[@oranmcclintock302]

"Hold the Door" and "Promise me Ned" both successfully made me cry and were the highlights of this season for me.

[@galacticguardian2783]

Its just a show.

[@oranmcclintock302]

@@galacticguardian2783 This is just a KZbin comment.

[@galacticguardian2783]

@@oranmcclintock302 one in which you said you cried to a show.

[@oranmcclintock302]

@@galacticguardian2783 Correct

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

@@galacticguardian2783 It's called 'emotions'. Some people have them and it's fine to express them, even in a show.

[@bobbybaratheon4647]

One of the things that REALLY pissed me off about season 6 was how Ramsay killed Roose fucking Bolton. One of the architects of the Red Wedding couldn't notice Ramsay had a knife on him when he "Congratulates" Roose on his newborn son.

[@freezysyahz]

Yes! The actor hinted it as much, too, thinking it's a stupid way to die

[@riannamoore3062]

Roose did rhe same thing to Robb. Had it coming

[@bobbybaratheon4647]

@@riannamoore3062 I'm talking about how it happened, Roose doesn't think it's suspicious that Ramsay has a knife on him whilst congratulating him on his newborn baby which would be a threat to Ramsay becoming Lord of The Dreadfort and Winterfell

[@akmonra]

I don't know, Roose is a confusing character. In the books, he talks casually about how Ramsay will probably murder any children he sires with his new wife, and doesn't seem to care one way or the other.

[@madpig7120]

​@@bobbybaratheon4647 in médiéval Time it was pretty common to have a knife on you, just for the purpose of eating. and roose kind of trusted Ramsay, so he didn't though of that

[@kayleeelliott8173]

I thought the Bravos acting troup was really weird cause they already did the "actors recap something with comedy while it's actually really emotional to someone" with Sansa at the purple wedding. It's like they thought "that was cool let's reuse it"

[@TrevJF]

Purple*

[@kayleeelliott8173]

@@TrevJF whoops 😅😅 thanks I fixed it!

[@erosama4887]

The recap troupe was D&D failing at the "Ember Island Players" type episode.

[@saranemcova5448]

They probably took it from the published chapter of unpublished Winds of Winter. Spoiler alert! Arya is part of the acting crew. The play is about Tyrion making some sort of deal with the devil, killing his family in the process. As Tyrion is much darker character in the books, it is a very ironic. We are not sure who Arya plays, it could be Shae, some suggested Sansa (which would be wholesome).

[@davidmackie5850]

Well isn't david beniof(bad spelling) playing Tyrion.. it's only so he can make a cameo in his own show

[@alexman378]

Finally, someone said it about Battle of the Bastards. Extremely impressive on a technical level, terrible on a character and storytelling level.

[@anduril38]

@Merciless Freak They even mentioned "digging trenches" in the battle briefing to help protect the Stark/wildling army from Bolton cavalry. when the battle started, we got that mess...

[@RGK93]

Everyone who expects Jon to act rationally after he sees his little brother killed is as dumb as they get.

[@alexman378]

@@RGK93 What does that have to do with anything?

[@RGK93]

@@alexman378 The biggest complain on this episode is usually "jOn iS oUt oF cHaRaCtEr, hE iS sO sTuPiD." Like dude, half of his family died through the series, watching his little brother getting killed was just too much, he had enough, he is no longer acting rationally, he just wants Ramsay's head no matter what. Other complaints are: "The plot armour", Up to this point on the series he was brought back "for a reason" (although ruined on season 8), he was obviously not going to die 6 episode later. And last but not least: "The "Deus Ex Machina"", The Lords of the Vale arriving to save the day is not a Deus Ex Machina, it was planted as a posibility the second Baelish mentioned them. Why didn't Sansa tell Jon? Ok fair enough, plot hole. But sometimes you need to accept a plot hole for a story to work, take Toy Story for example "Why does Buzz freeze if he doesn't know he is a toy?" BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE'S NO FUCKING STORY! If Sansa tells Jon about them from the beginning and they just come and crush Ramsay's forces it would be FUCKING BORING. Seasons 7 and 8 are indefensible, but I still mantain that Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter are some of the best episodes on GoT, and also the last great episodes.

[@RGK93]

@John Trevolter Ad hominem.

[@Madmax45247]

They absolutely destroyed Euron's character in the show. He's so much more of a scary and intelligent character in the books.

[@spoolofflarn8760]

As someone who hasn't read the books, reading excerpts (especially anything involving the legit kraken and worldeating/Cthulhu-esque prophecy) makes me cringe. So much potential mystique and menace as a villain who is genuinely FANATICAL and disturbing, and they turned him into a simple-minded barbarian/thug. big oof. time to read the books lol

[@danksmeme698]

In the books: Calculating and Experienced megachad who's been all over the known world, had tons of ancient Valyrian and Ironborn artifacts, and is actively participating in Daenerys' war in Meereen. In the show: *_I fUcKeD dA qUeEn~_*

[@RedSpade37]

​@@danksmeme698 It would have been bone-chilling if Book Euron would have turned out to be the "True Final Boss" of it all. The Long Night and the Night's King is defeated, peace slowly starts to look possible in Westeros... And bam, Euron literally summons Cthulhu and shit hits the fan even worse than it did with the White Walkers. And *then* after all of that... The Red Comet impacts, destroying almost all of Westeros. (End)

[@borgieone]

The music in the build up to the great sept getting torched was so top tier, the fact that they had used it throughout the season made it hit very hard. Whoever is responsible for the music behind epic scenes like that and the red wedding deserves so much credit for the shows success

[@ldougherty1572]

Ramin Djawadi. He also does the music for Westworld. Easily the best composer in TV history, at least in my opinion.

[@nunyabiznes33]

The music is the only thing that didn't significantly drop in quality.

[@Chris-dv3cv]

Bethesda coming in hot for the Skyrim music in the background

[@SupercutsDelight]

I gotta get creative with the music choice given that KZbin is handing out melody copyright claims for music now. I used to use a lot of covers of the GoT soundtracks, but I can't use most of them now.

[@Tr3ysean]

I was about to comment I couldn’t tell if I was just hearing things or not

[@H_Hendo]

Pretty sure I heard some Star Wars too lol

[@hlaaluinc.4959]

@@Tr3ysean Must've been the wind

[@saanvisharma9952]

One thing I personally loved was the whole Bran storyline with the Tower of Joy and Hold the Door... Shame it turned out the way it did in the end.

[@richardhauer8391]

Well, interestingly the Bran story kind of mirrors the great Sept explosion: It looks really good, concludes/furthers an important storyline, but introduces massive difficulties for it's continuation. How should an omniscient, time traveling tree wizard interact with the rest of the plot? Time travel alone is basically always causing potholes, but it also makes Bran's character development more complicated.

[@saanvisharma9952]

@@adamj3977 call me shallow but I really got invested in the Bran storyline when Thomas Brodie-Sangster became his friend... And then he died in the most boring way possible but I was still pretty invested in Bran's story because, well, time travel and a camera into the past, isn't that interesting?

[@raphaeltmnn6145]

I thought the hodor twist was great, but as soon as george r r martin said, that in the books it will be different, i looked closer and realised something: everything around the hodor reveal is just writing like out of a learning book: the bad guy kills the master character and the good guys escape thanks to a sacrife(its the mid turn point twist in every adventure movielike star wars or dr. Strange for example). George would have made everything around that special

[@naruske97]

@@saanvisharma9952 Same,it was one of my fas story lines. It surprised me that almost everyone hated it

[@Saffire119]

SHAME.

[@thedoctor4327]

My thing with the Mereen resolution is that it pretty much glosses over the fact that since Season 4 Dany was clearly shown losing control over her dragons. It’s a big plot point in the book, one GRRM is building up to resolving. Here Dany returns to Mereen with Drogon completely under her control and the other two who have been chained up and haven’t seen her in over a season break loose and join in on the carnage without an on screen look on Dany actually seeking out them. We never have any scenes in the show of Dany training any of them, they just start to magically do whatever she needs them to do. It especially bugs me because this unresolved plot point could have been used to explain away the destruction of Kong’s Landing instead of turning her into the Mad Queen

[@sabahmerchant1866]

Your comment about training the dragons reminds me of HOTD and how they had a whole TEAM in the Dragonpit to look after the dragons and such. Dany struggling to control her 3 dragons would be interesting too in terms of having her think about her ancestors and wondering how THEY did it, giving her a feeling of loss for a heritage she’s never known. It would add so much to her character as the last known Targaryen and how she’s finding herself (after all, in the books, she’s barely 16 and hasn’t had a stable home in forever)

[@grantbishop1441]

“These are the two smartest characters in the show” *shows scene where Tyrion is talking about wanting a God of tits and wine*

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

That's to illustrate his point of how far those two have fallen.

[@rowanbrowning2934]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 that scene was from season 2

[@jadenhawes7603]

The entire season kinda missed what made GOT's writing so good in the first place. There weren't really any consequences to a character's stupid choices. I remember thinking Jon leaving the Nights Watch or Arya leaving the faceless men would really come back and bite them in the ass, but no. Just like five years of Jon's life and it was never mentioned how he kinda abandoned his post lmao. They just wanted to brush everyone to where the plot wanted them to be without doing so in an organic way.

[@HighAdmiral]

... abandoned his post? His vows are sworn for life. He died, thus nullifying them. Besides, a law is only a law as long as it's enforced. Everyone at the Night's Watch was his buddy, and everyone in the North was either one of his loyalists or someone serving the Boltons, who already wanted him dead anyway.

[@RandomsPage]

@@HighAdmiral this explanation doesn’t work because the northern lords don’t even know that he died. No one bothers to ask why he left his post, which should be huge deal in the story, and absolutely should have come up when Jon was begging for support in the north. To the lords, it looks like Jon just up and left the wall and abandoned being lord commander to fight familial wars, which is fine for a character choice if it has consequences (like what happens in the books) , but what makes no sense is the northern Lords never even acknowledge this. Not a single lord is like “hey weren’t you lord commander? Why did you leave?” It’s like the northern lords “kind of forgot that desertion is a death sentence” and the writers just want the audience to kind of forget about it too.

[@HighAdmiral]

​@@RandomsPage I agree that it's strange that nobody even brought it up, but it's not strange that they didn't do anything about it, for the reasons I outlined above.

[@luciferparker5063]

@@RandomsPage add to that the fact that his resurrection has no consequences either. It's like Gandalf's resurrection. Which as we know Martin hates. Actions have consequences. A central theme in GoT S1-4. Just discarded like all the other themes in the later seasons.

[@chickenmcnuggets9669]

I mean no one really keeps tabs of who’s in the nights watch. Like the maester he is a Targaryen but no one seemed to knew he was one. Plus he technically gave his life to the nights watch. And with the whole Arya thing idk about the books cause I never read them. But from what I could pick up the whole point of Arya getting mentored by Jaquen seemed to just be a path to find who she really is and that’s “Arya Stark”. Plus didn’t Jaquen give her approval to leave?

[@JGr2000]

“I’ll be looking at season 7 and where it goes wrong” Teleporting characters Jaime charging at a fucking dragon The stupid plot armor when Jon and others were battling the wight walkers And more…

[@rafachrzaszcz6997]

- Jaime getting Highgarden with no consequences (and according to Tyrion's word in series finale, killing all the people in the Kingdom of Reach) - whole journey to the north, accidentially joining the different main characters together - no point of whole the season 7 plot - stupidity of Littlefinger and Bran

[@vinsmokesanji2865]

-uncle benjen coming from nowhere to save jon in the LAST second

[@rafachrzaszcz6997]

@@vinsmokesanji2865 ... and die for no reason.

[@frankie9772]

“Go Gendry! You’re the fastest!” *Jon proceeds to sink in a frozen lake and hang around for an hour without drowning or freezing*

[@MollyFC]

@@rafachrzaszcz6997 Highgarden just folding over like that was ridiculous. They had the largest army in westeros and they had what, a garrison of 100 men at their castle? Sure okay

[@leeroy1961]

Tbh I liked the Jon plotarmor at first, I had a theory that he was resurected by the Lord of Light and the Lord of Light was protecting him until his duty was filled in this world, but then... well.

[@theecodragon3321]

The problem I had with the Sept of Baelor explosion was that it essentially removed the political element from Game of Thrones. Before the explosion, GOT was less a show about war and more about politics of the Iron throne. What the explosion did was kill off all players in the game of thrones except Cersei, essentially monopolising her power. From there it was just a show about how daenarys could take over the 7 kingdoms

[@jankasolis61]

Also.... How the hell she would be alive xd. A Lot of the soldiers are believers and Even the noblety left would want cercei,s head

[@JC-wn7ih]

You should do a poll for the other seasons as well as the whole show in its entirety

[@dodusa5399]

Since he already analized 1,4,5 and 8 that leaves 3 seasons to poll

[@corneliussnow3491]

The show was doing so good up until the last 2 seasons. I get that they wanted to wrap it up and didn't want to take the time it would take to properly flesh out each characters ending arch, but even in a summerized version, it could have been so much better. Dan and Dave did a great job following the books, when they still had source material. And I'm sure they tried their best to give an ending they believed was true to where the books were going. But they also HAD to have known, that they were rushing and that fans would be disappointed. Given that they announced the last 2 seasons would be the shortest seasons of all. I think they basically said "F*** it" and just wanted to be done with it. "We made the biggest show of all time, even if we botch the ending we will still have a guarantee of millions of dollars and any writing job we ever want after this"....well, not really. Lol yes they still have so much money that they'll never have to work again if they don't want to. But because of such bad reviews regarding the last season, neither one of them have gotten any significant work since then. Which just goes to show that they themselves were NOT good show writers. They were just good at adapting someone else's good writing. But once they ran out of source material and had to do some writing on their own, they screwed it up. Such a shame. ESPECIALLY how they butchered Euron Greyjoy! Whom has already been confirmed as the next big bad after Ramsay and Joffrey. Just reading the preview chapters George Martin released from W.O.W, showcase Euron as the baddest/most evil villain yet! Worse then Ramsay, because not only is he as heartless and ruthless as Ramsay (if not more) but he's also a very well trained and seasoned warlord! He's the greatest naval commander in both westeros and Essos. He's even got a dragon horn, which is what he really uses to petition Dany, NOT just a thousand ships and "his big C*ck" like the show said. They basically turned him into a douchebag, egotistical frat boy, because they didn't want to spend the time making him into the devil on earth, like he is in the books. One sample chapter GRRM released STRONGLY hints to the theory that Euron is going to summon a literal kraken! AND take control of atleast one of dany's dragons, not just kill one like he did in the show. And his big payoff was just a lackluster fight with Jaime and still died! 😩 Ugh!....ok, I'm rambling. I'll stop now. I just hate to think about all the wasted potential and build up. Hopefully GRRM will one day actually finish the winds of winter, and maybe 30 years later we'll get a dream of spring. But let's be real, he probably won't live long enough to finish both books.

[@phonicfan31]

He put up a poll for season 7 last week

[@justamanofculture12]

@@dodusa5399 ikr

[@yespls4184]

Honestly season 6 and 7 sort of blend together for me-- maybe season 6 has an edge due to Ramsay Bolton. Season 8 stands out as the worst. 5 is okay, 1-4 are great.

[@JGJ505]

Arthur Dayne is the incarnation of the entire serie: so hyped up..only to be stabbed in the back at the end

[@ankitsaikumar6866]

Ned stark wasn't so honorful as he seemed I guess

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Not to mention he was fighting with two sword instead of the legendary Dawn.

[@namaskaracharya3782]

@@ankitsaikumar6866 Ned wasn't the one who stabbed him or even gave the order .... But yeah , I guess he can still be blamed (after all no one can be perfect)

[@ankitsaikumar6866]

@@namaskaracharya3782 ned always made his kids believe that he bested Arthur dayne at tower of joy battle. He never once brought up that reed's intervention saved neds ass . And Arthur's team only had 3 people. Arthur would have won even with his disadvantages... anyway ned walked out of that skirmish alive but he *lied* he bested Arthur dayne on 1 on 1 battle. Probably why ashera dayne committed suicide cause ned for her knowledge killed her family , ashera was supposedly neds secret lover

[@Lolavs]

@@ankitsaikumar6866 None of this is correct.

[@shapesnatch1341]

I agree that this season was very hit or miss. But there's a few things I don't fully agree with. The Bloody Hand play: I didn't think i'd be hearing fart jokes in game of thrones but whatever. I actually think the play is an interesting few scenes. It shows us a comedic retelling of the events of seasons 1-4 (the good seasons) but with clear bias. We know that Ned Stark wasn't a bumbling idiot and that Tyrion didn't poision Joffrey but the public doesn't. Of course they'd think Ned Stark betrayed the crown. He said so himself and it's the story the Lannisters would peddle. And Tyrion was found guilty of killing Joffrey so yeah that's probably the official story. At this point I don't think even we knew who did it for certain. Little Finger and Olenna both said they did but I don't think we knew for sure who it was until S7 E3. And so, of course it's painful for Arya to watch because she knew her father wasn't a traitor and to hear everyone laughing at him would be hard to endure. Bastard Bowl: I have a lot of problems with this. The story beats that lead to the battle are really good and it makes sence. The conflict between Jon and Ramsey felt good and real. But the battle itself was very flawed. Firstly, Ramsey's men shooting arrows in the air for them to rain down? Does not work. It's a common movie trope but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid. If you shoot an arrow in the air, when it reaches the top of its arc, it has lost all of the energy given to it by the bow, so the only energy it has now is the potential energy from its height and mass, which is almost none since arrows are so light. Second, just having all the cavalry charge straight at each other? Why would you waste so many men? Third, Why did the Bolton men with the shields and spears do nothing until they could form a circle around Jon's forces? They should have been in the front line to stop Jon's cavalry charge. And the fact they could just surround Jon's forces with no resistance is ridiculous. Fourth. Wun Wun was so underused. Having a giant on your side would be such a huge advantage. Even without a weapon (Which he should have had by the way, a club would be perfect) a charging giant would be nearly unstoppable. It's not like cavalry where if the spearmen stand their ground, they can stop the cavalry charge. That won't stop a giant. Imagine him running at full speed and delivering a huge kick to the enemy, ranks instantly broken. Once again, when they were surrounded, he could have kicked straight into their shields and made an opening. Or even tried to jump on them or something. Yes, he does break down the gates and get a sad death but still. Fifth, Sansa not telling Jon about the Knights of the Vale. I know he already talked about it. Dumb and Dumber wanted their own Rohirrim moment and couldn't think of a better way to do it. They still could have been kept in reserve for a surprise attack and Ramsey didn't need to know about them. If he knew the Knights of the Vale were there, he may not have met Jon in the field and then it would have been nearly impossible for them to win. The Great Sept Expolsion: Great scene but I don't think it's season 6's fault that there was no fallout to the event. It season 7's fault that the whole even was just forgotten about.

[@spoolofflarn8760]

amen! the giant being used as an arrow magnet and battering ram really bothered me. They had time to put hides over wood. Could've been an opportunity to showcase Ramsey being a crafty commander. They think the giant should help them turn the fight or that he won't know the giant is fighting, then Ramsey lures them into a trap, something. It's so aggravating to watch, it's like a terrible disney action movie where all the characters single-file run out into no man's land for no reason firing their weapons into empty air in slo-mo while the show's theme plays and they somehow kill everything around them. Every third shot of the bastard battle was a character (supposedly seasoned in war) breaking ranks to save a buddy who broke ranks to save a buddy who broke ranks.... It's so ridiculous, on par with Daenerys alt+F4-ing her cavalry for no real reason in the beginning of/before the night-king battle.

[@willemboele2079]

your entire comment is good but it's the last point i want to stress, multiple times in this video does season 6 get blamed for season 7 and 8's faults

[@afropunkx]

As the writing quality went down the cinematography quality improved... I hardly noticed the bad writing the first time round because I was so in awe with the beautiful looking payoffs.

[@joeschmoe3665]

I kind of feel bad for the Tyrells they are the second most powerful house in Westeros at least in terms of resources and it was primarily them and their bannermen that made up the bulk of Renly's 100 000 army and after season 6 they are mostly treated as an inconvenience being just swept away by a lannister attack, Randall Tarly the best commander in Westeros just betrays them and then they just disappear.

[@shikenkanade]

So true 😭 Especially given their history. They were the joke of the town in the Reach and were seen as up-jumped stewards and were bullied by their more powerful vassals (Hightowers, Florents, etc.) The Hightowers were basically dogging everything they could touch and yet the Tyrells were resilient and resourceful and 300 years later wrapped the Reach carefully in their hands. And then, they’re gone 😭

[@Noone91875]

Tyrells, martells and tarlys are total waste after s4. Remember randall tarly was the only one who defeated Robert in a war. And martells are the only one who did not give up against aegon and killed the dragon bigger than vhagar at that time. And tyrells . I just couldn't say much

[@ciaranthayer6628]

@@Noone91875 yeah like where is the dornish army ?

[@Noone91875]

@@ciaranthayer6628 they kind of forget about

[@chinchilla415]

It shows the contempt D&D have for medieval (or any area) of history, as well as the lore. Having by far, the greatest agrarian economy and great population is huge in medieval times. For fecks sake, the entire economy is agrarian. More populace = bigger army. Or you can acquire a bigger army + mercenaries. So, Olenna saying "fighting was never our thing" is an underrated line in terms of stupidity in the later seasons.

[@kevanlannister3672]

About david and dan running out of books and not having stuff from george. The scene where euron tried and succeeded in becoming king of the iron islands actually exists in the books and it is epic. So yeah they f.cked up even harder.

[@rafachrzaszcz6997]

They totally missed Victarion and the Dragon Horn, Euron's mission to go for Daenerys... not Cersei. Yes, some plots ran out (Sansa and Arya), maybe it was too difficult to continue them without GRRM clues, but abandoning Yound Griff, Lady Stoneheart and Dorne Master Plan is no excuse for D&D!!!

[@Hellspawn256]

@@rafachrzaszcz6997 Normally, I will not defend Dumb & Dumber as they ruined what could have been a much better show with just a little more time and better writing, but within the time and financial constraints of a show, some plots were always going to be left out. Quaithe, the behind the scenes shit with the maesters in the Citadel, the Horn of Winter, and a ton of other things would have been cool too, but each season would be 20 episodes at two hours each costing millions that HBO isn't spending. That's always the problem of translating an epic saga like ASOIAF. Logistically, it isn't possible. I mean, they could possibly do an animated version, but would that be as watchable?

[@rafachrzaszcz6997]

@@Hellspawn256 this show used to bring such big revenues that it could be continued until now. If only GRRM didn't keep such secrets with his own plot, and D&D weren't the only people in charge. I can't understand how the producers accepted their idea with pushing such a sophisticated story into only 8 seasons and that HBO DIDN'T SEE the mess they were doing. It's like the mass blindness.

[@Hellspawn256]

@@rafachrzaszcz6997 yes, but as shows age -especially ones with larger CGI budgets - they start to cost more. Cast members will command more money, productions costs go up, etc. They could have kept it at 8 seasons but made them 10-12 episodes each to fill out some gaps and provide better exposition. HBO failed to see that reducing the number of episodes and relying on spectacle to wow the audience was going to hurt the overall view of the show. I’d have loved to see Cogman, Hill and Sapochnik take over the show for 7-8. We’d have had a much different tone and view of the show overall.

[@rafachrzaszcz6997]

@@Hellspawn256 okay, I understand, but on the other hand, we don't know the statistics. If the show brings more money, they could afford paying actors more... or... give them contract that contains not raising salaries until some moment or year.

[@knurdyob]

I love how one of the most well shot, directed and edited battle scenes in tv history is known as "Bob"

[@SinghKushalOmprakash]

In defence of theatre arc , it was deliberately introduced to make Arya aware of the events which happened around while she was busy training.

[@thejohnhopkinscompany9599]

I clicked the notification faster than the writing quality dropped.

[@RaptorRoyale]

something orignal 😂😂

[@filippogrimaldi7228]

Bruh that's impossible you can't go faster that light.

[@damianwilson7526]

15:45 I think the reason that Sansa withheld the Vale army is that she felt bitter towards Littlefinger and was too proud to ask for his help. Definitely underdeveloped as a reason and she suffers no consequences for it (except maybe the dead brother whom she immediately forgets).

[@janellejulianajoy]

They ALL forgot him. Who mentioned him after season six? I think Sansa didn't tell because Littlefinger helping came with an umbilical cord. Not to mention she had just confronted him a few episodes earlier and she tells him that she wants nothing more to do with him.

[@damianwilson7526]

@@janellejulianajoy Yeah exactly, she both doesn't trust him and doesn't want to have to rely on him since she is so angry at him. Also it's not even just past S6, he isn't even mentioned in the next episode. He dies, then we see him being taken to the crypt, and I don't think he is ever mentioned again. Not even Arya or Bran ask about Rickon (I guess Bran would know, but someone would probably tell him anyway as they don't know what he does and doesn't know).

[@domagojzrilic3767]

If sansa knew that she could count on the vale before the battle which she had to if they could make it in time for the battle then there is apsolutely no reason for her to whithold the information and it would be in Littlefingers interest to suck up to Jon and Sansa with the Vale. This way it looks as if Sansa betrayed Jon and meant to sweep Ramsays army after they were all dead. When they were discussing the battle plans the Vale already had to be an option and there is no excuse for Sansa not mentioning it.

[@damianwilson7526]

@@domagojzrilic3767 If I remember correctly, she writes the letter to Littlefinger after the strategy scene. As for why she didn't mention it, I guess she thought that if Jon knew he had the upper hand he would maybe broker a peace deal for Rickon and Winterfell, letting Ramsay live. But that seems a bit shaky since thats never directly addressed as a reason, so its honestly just because the writers wanted to keep the Vale army on the backburner so their arrival at the end would be surprising.

[@joehernandez9563]

@@damianwilson7526 It's just bad writing. No point spending more time thinking about it than the writers themselves did :) The later seasons are all about style over substance.

[@Ashbrash1998]

The only the Game of Thrones did great from begining to end, was with Ramin Djawdi making such holy music that got wasted

[@yemiisthebest1]

15:40 That is exactly when I started hating Sansa And then just kept on getting worse for no reason. And I've seen people try to defend her not telling Jon but there is LITERALLY NO GOOD EXCUSE AT ALL for not telling him

[@qweraws6829]

i love sansa, the writers did her dirty

[@speedssk]

I never liked Sansa(show ver.) Idk about the book ver. but book Sansa seems to have much more fans than show ver.

[@--SPQR--]

Girl power, just like that purple-haired admiral from Star Wars

[@brettlazo7918]

Another thing about the BOB that always pisses me off is the fact that Wun Wun wasn’t given a weapon??? Like if you watch the battle the only reason the god damn giant gets killed is because he didn’t have anything to fight with

[@Asterix958]

If he has giant stick, he could smash Bolton army's circle. In season 4, Giants used bow which is more complex weapon.

[@Golgari213]

Even the god damn Game of Thrones Conquest game trailer has a giant using a tree branch lol.

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

Plus armor. Give a giant some nice armor and a sword and you got yourself a killing machine

[@Maltesfilm]

Give the bastard a shield and I liked to see anyone stopping that bulldozer of a tank.

[@samuraicupcake289]

I generally despise Euron in the show and his actor's portrayal. Not even just because he's gross and unpleasant, but also boring, uninspired and an insult to book Euron. His final scene in season 8 is just the cherry on the turd sundae.

[@soren7550]

The sad thing is, Euron’s actor signed on believing he was going to be book Euron. He was so excited, and then he got… this.

[@MollyFC]

I think the actor was fine, in fact they did a great job finding him since he looks so much like Alfie. The writing did him dirty

[@duganrocks100]

Yeah you can only blame him so much cause he is given the script and has to go with it.

[@JayDonagh]

Euron in the show came off as some sleezy narcissist pirate with no charisma while book Euron was actually an intense character. I watched the show first with no knowledge of the books and I thought Euron was going to be one of those dumb minor villains who gets killed off fast

[@duganrocks100]

@@JayDonagh facts book euron is as big as a threat as the white walkers, and I can't wait to see victarion fuck up some slavers in mereen and then get curved by Dany.

[@badman477]

Damn I can’t believe they never made another season after 6. You would think with a show this popular, they’d make more seasons soon

[@Al-ji4gd]

What? I don't remember a season 6... I only remember the show lasting four seasons.

[@MzCheecharella]

🤣😂@@Al-ji4gd

[@tacitus796]

There was one really good thing in S06, that is underrated. It was the fall of Riverrun. I loved that character-evolution Jaime had there, and literally I can't imagine that situation being more believable, or better at all.

[@kiwwat4139]

They could have given the Blackfish an on screen death. Or an escape. Killing that guy offscreen was a crime. But I do love the spirit, if that makes sense, of the siege of Riverrun. "As long as I'm standing, this war isn't over."

[@tacitus796]

@@kiwwat4139 Yes, I definitely agree. Blackfish deserved something more respectable, and a "sad" death, as (if you have seen Medici show) had Guiliano. He deserved fans literally praying before their screens, and saying "Please, God, please no, don't kill this guy." And not just "hE'S dEaD mY lOrD."

[@kiwwat4139]

@@tacitus796 Other than that, the siege was handled pretty well, safe that the initial Frey 'siege army' looked smaller than the defending forces, I really liked how Jamie took the castle through cunning and tactics, though I have to question the sanity of the rebelling soldiers giving up after Edmure just... told them to. There should have been terms or an argument or something, but the idea behind sending the lord to open the gate without a fight was top notch. But the Blackfish was my favourite character, killing him off screen in a mini-arc that contributed virtually nothing to the story as a whole was... Painful to say the least. Especially since he was built up as this living legend and war hero. The fact that he escaped the killing zone outside the twins at the Red Wedding, built up an army and took over the best castle of the Riverlands proves that. That death was just a disgrace.

[@KrolKaz]

I feel like the show started slipping the more and more fantasy crap that was revealed.. I feel like the white walkers where much more terrifying in my mind until I saw them and they just look like generic Ice zombies.

[@idawg7332]

That part is one of the few things in season 6 that's still somewhat adapted from the books instead of being made up by David and Dan

[@lordofcastamere9376]

They removed 50% of the cast in episode 9 and 10. Yeah D&D only wanted to have story for their main characters and bad resultions was the answer.

[@nickkurtz512]

What should’ve happened was after Season 5 D&D leave and have Bryan Cogman and Dave Hill as the showrunners. We would’ve had a better end with Cogman and Hill then the not caring attention from D&D.

[@kaades_]

Yeah but you forget ambition greed and vanity on the part of dnd. They were so absolutely selfish they didnt even realize they were ruining the show. Or they just didn't care

[@shmace]

@@kaades_ they definitely just didn't care. they rushed season 8 so they can go write star wars lol

[@lydiaspiros3987]

@@shmace which they didn't even get to do because of what they did to GoT

[@gfilmer7150]

Cogman is just as bad as D&D

[@Maltesfilm]

@@lydiaspiros3987 One of the few things that brings a smile to my face when thinking about season 8.

[@luger700]

I liked the play in Bravos. It showed how events are retold by others and how influential the events in King’s Landing are.

[@redace4821]

Also show exactly how the public view them. Truth is, Cersei and Joffery was the evil fuckers why Tyrion and Sansa was good people. And Lord Eddard Stark are extremely honourable but was seen as a disgusting traitor.

[@latayesha]

My best assumption is that everyone was terrified of Cersei after the explosion. They were too afraid to mention it or even attack her

[@austinmurphy2153]

Season 6 is what David and Dan wanted when trying to appeal to Football players. Pretty production and visuals, low common denominator dialogue and great action/finale moments, if you don't think too hard. With a Martin outline to hold onto the drowning David and Dan. It's the summer blockbuster season.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Very true. It was essentialy Marvel movies instead of Game of Thrones. Hollywood top production with better stunt, better look, more one liners, special effects, etc...Because it was so attractive and fun, people forgot what made them like Game of Thrones in the first place.

[@beakiddo9532]

EXACTLY

[@aesir1ases64]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 It was still GOT but just at a soft level, people act like asoiaf had no plot armour to chars like Tyrion and Arya need to read the books again, of course it was acceptable since its a fantasy series but as I said season 5 and season 6 had still GOT logic moments that were undermined by the shitty seasons 7 and season 8.

[@stevem2323]

@@aesir1ases64 Exactly.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Except the MCU has jokes that actually land and make sense for the characters. It's like if in Infinity War or Endgame Thanos made quips during his speeches.

[@nicolaslocquette3305]

I actually like the play scenes, it shows how the main characters are seen by common people ig

[@adriandelatorreebro9555]

Not only that but it serves to make Arya hate the rest of Westeros - the part that is not the North and Winterfell - even more, which will make her want to leave the continent as she feels completely disconnected from the Westerosi society.

[@Legostopmotion113]

I agree, it gave some quite interesting world building, that I missed in the later seasons.

[@elscruffomcscruffy8371]

The play was great! It's based on the Arya chapter, Mercy, from Winds of Winter. It does two things: portrays the perspective of the common people mocking the elite class, and shows how the pace that news develops across the known world.

[@j-rey-]

Absolutely, I think the problem was we already got a version of that with Sansa at the Purple wedding. Also, they were rushing the later seasons so much that they left out really good parts of the story in favor of shoving those play scenes that don't further the plot nor add much more to Arya's character. She's so traumatized at this point that anything else is kind of redundant. Those scenes would be much better and more fitting in the right context and if there were more episodes overall.

[@timcastelein6598]

Shit half of this wasn't even bad bro.

[@EJD339]

I honestly loved season 6. I was just having a lot of fun. And then I rewatched it and was like “this doesn’t make any sense”. As soon as season 7 started, I even stopped having fun. Season 7 and 8 are the only seasons I’ve never rewatched. It’s just such a shame because it didn’t need to be this way. Dan and Dave could have passed the torch to someone else but for the life of me I have no idea why they didn’t other than ego

[@NothingBesideRemains]

It's so baffling that they just cut episodes down so thin and then just trusted everyone would be amazed.

[@NastiaKossiak]

First of all thank you for the video, and second... THANK you for putting Skyrim ost in the background, it was a super nostalgic hit and felt amazing as well as watching GoT again (ignoring S7 and 8)

[@perryco34]

I feel like season 6 still had a plan. Season 7 and 8 felt half assed. Like no thought was made when writing these characters.

[@joeandrew8752]

Season 6 while having several weak moments still had stong moments and some good payoffs. S7 and s8 really doesn't have much worth praising at all in writing. Nothing at all. Maybe the last time we saw lady olena in s7 and brienne getting knighted in s8 but that's about it.

[@ontasbulent5709]

GOT didn’t die in S8 it was already dead rotten to the core. The steps to hell were already taken before and S6 was one of them. S8 is just the arrival in hell

[@naruske97]

Agree,it started to die since S5

[@jonathancooper4914]

There are other, arguably better, series to check out.

[@janellejulianajoy]

Yep. It's why I can't understand fans who believe this started in season eight. Hell, season seven was worse than season eight.

[@shikenkanade]

It started in S4 (peak season for me but I can tell that the beginnings of the the rot started here).

[@Ashbrash1998]

I think it was a slow rot that started when dnd started rearranging and cutting vip characters. Then like a slow rot, it started growing until it was super obvious in season 8

[@Satyamdubs]

Varys is time traveling this season. Like literally. In episode 10, we see him in Dorne meeting with Ollena Martell & Ellaria Sand. And in the same episode at the end, he is on ship with Danaerys leaving Meeren. 🙂

[@nissaniss4251]

Probably a friend of the Doctor, hitched a ride on the Tardis. 😆

[@IsaiahRichards692]

I actually liked the play scene because it showed how the rest of the world viewed the current events in Westeros!

[@raphaeltmnn6145]

Biggest Flaw in the BOB: Ramsay not using Winterfell. This becomes a trend in the show from then on. Ramsay later retreats to it, but one giant writing Fail and Jon is in... Winterfell was THE Fortress and they demolished its reputation so Jon can win

[@DDLLDDLLDDLL]

What pissed me off about that is when they said, “If he was smart, he’d stay inside the castle.” said Jon. “It’s not his way. He knows the North is watching. If the other houses sense weakness on his part, they’ll stop fearing him; fear is his weapon.” Davos retorts. How is staying behind a castle weakness? Anyone with half a mind should know if you have a wall, USE IT! I mean, yeah, it looks cowardly but it’s an advantage. Which made me want to punch the tv when watching The Long Night and Battle of King’s Landing

[@goterdordel7385]

@@DDLLDDLLDDLL No it actually makes total sense. If he stayed in his castle Jon would lay siege to it. Ramsey is only strong because the other Houses follow him out of fear. If the other Houses know Ramsey is being besieged it is highly likely that they would help Jon and switch sides

[@DDLLDDLLDDLL]

@@goterdordel7385 But Winterfell is a literal fortress. Ramsay outnumbers Jon 3 to 1. Ramsay says himself that they don’t need the other houses on their side. As long if the Umbers and the Karstarks remain loyal to the Boltons, they can crush any northern rebellion towards them.

[@raphaeltmnn6145]

@@DDLLDDLLDDLL eitherway, D and D didnt made the set-up for these justifications. They could have wrote scenes where ramsay wants to use the fortress, but because of his fear game for controle over the north, he is forced to fight outside like his father against stannis to show strength. Than Ramsays own politics would have been his downfall, but nope. The writing is just dumb

[@hellodigitalworld8224]

And Ramsay didn’t even pick up a sword 🤦🏽

[@vukkicos5688]

It is like Dumb and Dumber had hired someone to follow them around and write down everything they said, so they could later use those lines in the show, specifically in dialogues between Tyrion and Varys

[@pedror942]

I actually really liked the play scenes. I don't they were trying to be funny for the viewers, and they show us how the world understands the story we saw up close. It also allows arya to learn about what happened or what others think happened. Also the sparrow and sons of the harpy plots were hardly boring, they were great.

[@Ado0981]

I completely agree with you. Sometimes it seems like this guy moans about any little thing he can for the content.

[@kaioneil-bp5rr]

its so hard to watch because the acting is so cringe, have to skip those scenes every time

[@WildHorizon]

This scene 13:00 *chef’s kiss* Varys was always so in control and calculated, nothing ever phased him. I don’t think anyone had ever truly shocked Varys before this.

[@avatarmikephantom153]

Can we all agree the Daenerys fleet scene is the pivotal final shot of the show?

[@SilverSon87]

There's way too many things in Season 6 that were poorly written but somehow praised by everyone, for example being The Battle of the Bastards, Jon being King in the North, and Cersei being crowned.

[@homielander5924]

Think everyone was high on game of thrones to notice at the time but now when you thinking back about it and see these vids the haze starts to clear and you see the truth. Don’t even remember half this shiet either, it was that irrelevant

[@kSree7]

Those were good plot points, but were executed poorly. Guess, we were fine with it until they started crapping over S8 plot as a whole.

[@Fruzhin5483]

@@kSree7 No they weren't. What are you talking about? The battle of the Bastards where A) Ramsay decided to face to fight outside instead of staying in his castle and watching as the besiegers died of hunger and lack of resources; B) Jon deciding to rush and get to Rickon; C) Sansa not saying that the ENTIRE army of the arryn's was coming D) Somehow Ramsay not knowing that an army crossed the riverlands, passed through Moat Callin... somehow, and managed to get in time to the battle. And besides there wouldn't be a need of this idiotic plot point if they had simply addopted Stannis's crusade from the Fifth book, intsead of killing him off in that retarded way. Jon being king... I beg your pardon, WOT?!? Sansa is right there the only legitemate child of Eddard Stark, who has the army of the Veil and instead as a king was decided that Jon should fufil the role - a man that slept with a wildling, a man that is a friend of the wildling smth, a whole thing that wasnt talked about, and most importantly a man that had left the night's watch, who almost lost the battle because he decided to rush. Cersei being crowned... this is so stupid on so many levels I am not even going to waste my time discussing this shit Season 6 was just a bad fanfic of the books and the idiotic choices made in season 5 - killing off Stannis and giving his plotline to Jon, killing Baristan and just abandoning the East, Butchering the entire Dornish theatre which would evolve in Ellaria just killing of Doran and somehow no one having problem with that like no one, everyone was ok with that, fucking up the faceless men, and the three eyed crow degrading in whatever those time travel plot points were/Fanfic.

[@kSree7]

@@Fruzhin5483 yeah, that s what I meant by execution though. Jon never earned his place as King. It was Sansa saving the day. Though, I like the premise of Battle of bastards, it was dumb for most part. I mean, why would Jon abandon his post and just act on emotions in battlefield (maybe writers forgot?). Jon was relieved of his duties in Night s watch when he died. But not many people must be aware of his resurrection. This was unaddressed. I never really saw Sansa as ruler material.For most, she was just the character that was abused by Joffrey and like or manipulated by lil finger( another wasted character). Cersei becoming Mad queen was fine but further seasons made her seem like dumb queen.Jamie not killing her, still baffles me. Season 6 had better moments like Hodor, Bran' s time manipulation ability or Ned adopting Jon as his bastard. But, they were wasted by episode 3, Season 8 of GOT. So many fan fictions are better than what we got.

[@kibs3053]

I agree about the BoB and Cersei but what's wrong with the King in the North? It's actually my favorite scene in the show and will probably happen in the books too seeing as Rob named Jon his heir.

[@10solitare01]

Awesome analysis - you have so many great points about general storytelling that I feel like I should take notes. Please also do season 2! I agree that the cinematography was amazing - so good it took my focus away from the mixed quality upon first watch.

[@Rain-King]

I really appreciate the cinematography section of the video. Whenever I think of Season 5, I remember it as feeling rather washed out in terms of its lighting and colour palette. I think Season 6 is where the series truly starts to compensate for a lacklustre script with production design, which is honestly quite breathtaking, especially for television.

[@alimirzaee4689]

I was listening to the audio book a couple of days ago and I'm genuinely surprised how much they deleted from the books most of the great moments in the books are just non existent and well Euron, oh boy oh boy

[@shapesnatch1341]

I'm a little over half way through just the first book and im surprised at how much is different. I can't imagine it for the later books

[@morgumal]

@@shapesnatch1341 When you get to A Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons you'll hate the latter seasons even more.

[@Ashbrash1998]

I'm mad that euron wasn't played by ian mcshane, but no hate to the euron actor.

[@morgumal]

@@Ashbrash1998 There was a fan casting of Mads Mikelesen as Euron and it looks realy cool. But I still think it should've been someone younger because Euron is around 30-40 years old in the books.

[@mridulregmi8908]

Season 1-4 is like classical music; its rich, its complex, each chord progression has depth, but one requires patience and an in-depth knowledge of music to appreciate it. Season 6 on the other hand is like pop music. Its simple, not very deep, has sick beat drops, is catchy, and entertaining. As a casual watcher, I would say that season 6 is the best season as I'm not watching it just to appriciate the quality of the dialogue it the intricacies in the writing, im watching it purely for entertainment.

[@zydrate5098]

Season 8's contemporary rap

[@darthskixx2263]

Thats fine, for me is Fantasy Entertainment as Well. But all of These Tiny nice Details entertain me better than every flashy Moment. I Love the flashy mindfuck Moments of got, I Love the Battle of Bastards, the Red Wedding, the Moment Dany becomes Mad (I know im Alone with the Last Point :D) But I also Love the "Chaos is a ladder" speech, or tyrions Trial speech, or Tywin AS a great Charakter.

[@phulatrox5296]

i wouldnt even say s6 was all that entertaining though. it kinda dragged on for me at points. 3 and 4 are easily the most entertaining seasons of the show.

[@awesome9905]

@@phulatrox5296 Its perspective. For me the 3rd season was all planning and tactics discussion and the only real execution of those tactics was the red wedding. The actual "events" in season 3 was seriously lacking. Season 4 was fine with Joffery's death, the mountain vs viper, the battle for the wall to name a few but still not as eventful. Coming to season 6, you have something awsome every episode. Brans vision of wintetfell and the tower of joy, Jons ressurection, Hodors backstory and everything that happened inside the cave, BoB, destruction of the sept, Jons heritage, Walder Frey's death, Danny finally sailing for westeros, etc. I dont know why you found it dragged. Aryas sub-plot in Bravos was dragged I guess, and a little bit in the kings landing. But in my opinion, much more entertaining than season 3 and 4.

[@austinford1530]

Honestly i only found season 1 to be any good.

[@DarkImp15]

I think one of the biggest things with Sansa holding out information to Jon is that she makes him accept her apology for how she treated him when they were younger. This doesn't make it any better for the sake that Sansa wanted to build up the trust for Jon. The other thing I wanted to point out with the Sept Explosion is that Cersei knew how much Margaery meant to Tommen. Sure, she might've not realized that Tommen would do something so hasty, but at the same time, she actively knows that Tommen cared for her deeply. I feel like for the sake of her character, it would've only been a last resort if she realized the results.

[@Taveren]

i love the idea of jon standing alone, without a horse assuming that no one has got his back only to be saved last minute by his own charging cavalry, i just think it wasnt developed as it could have been. And i think the idea of the one v one after seems like a thing that could be built up to within the book after jons resurrection

[@PsychedelicDude]

In my head canon, season 6 is the final season. It sorta works as an open ended ending imo. Everyone kinda gets what they deserve when you think about it. Some loose ends, but honestly better than what we got. And it kinda feels like Dumb & Dumber knew this was going to be the last good/decent season so they tied some threads.

[@bubbamike4743]

Exactly how I feel too

[@Al-ji4gd]

Change your head canon and learn to appreciate good writing and critique bad writing.

[@Jonny_Martell]

I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the death of Doran

[@Fruzhin5483]

There is no dornish plot. Maybe if I can repeat it to myself another thousand times I can forget it all and not suffer whatever that debutchery was

[@Jonny_Martell]

@@Fruzhin5483 it’s another reason why Season 6 is so mixed

[@Fruzhin5483]

@@Jonny_Martell Nah, I just think it's bad. Everything after Oberyn's death is bad

[@Jonny_Martell]

@@Fruzhin5483 I agree with you it’s bad. But mixed means good and bad and Doran’s death falls under the bad category which is why I’m surprised that it wasn’t brought up or even shown once in this entire video.

[@crackshipsarelife]

Cersei becoming Queen Regnant was a really big cliffhanger cause as she was a really interesting & unpredictable character you were wondering What would have happened later. But I agree about the consequences of the Sept. D&D could have added some dialogues of People being scared of Cersei or Angry at her and we could have had through her spies that then would have reported Everything back to her. They could have also added a scene where someone would have tried to kill Cersei but Jaime or the Mountain stepped in or smth to show that the were some that still care

[@robbiepluta1358]

It’s infuriating because while it makes sense to for Cersei to suffer consequences, she was also handed the perfect distraction on a platter with the North seceding and Daenerys invading. All she had to do was say “Targaryen spies killed your beloved King, Queen and High Sparrow, help support me against their invasion”. Even Jaime could confirm that the wildfire had been put there by Aerys. It’s sad I can think of better plot point on a YT comment than the writers who were paid thousands to actually make the show.

[@birdo1180]

I love how in the Sept scene they make a point to show the weight Tommen carries when they put on his necklace on his shoulders and then put his crown on his head. Then he (the crown) follows the faith between the two pillars. I also liked how Margaery was late to connect the dots on Cersei because of the shock of what was happening to Loras. Finally the whole theme of "destroying the old to usher in the new" shown in Pycelle's death and the piano and strings music in the background.

[@maniacmasturbator2411]

I also thought S6 was a mixed bag. Below the first 4 seasons, but I liked it more than S5, and the next two seasons that followed. 1/4 3 2 6 5 7 8

[@rafachrzaszcz6997]

Good rank, I feel the same

[@jasonarmstrong9656]

Which should show how bad the show was after 4. Season 6 was good to great in everything except writing, but that brings it down multiple points

[@handzar6402]

Pretty much the perfect ranking. Mine is the same.

[@stevem2323]

I would put season 6 on par with season 2, everything else i agree.

[@gfilmer7150]

I agree with most of it

[@birb7661]

I was thinking about this same thing a few days ago. Please never stop beating D&D!

[@toddJM1015]

I truly believe the moments that people remember from this season are from what GRRM told D&D would happen..Hold the Door, and the best moments of Battle of the Bastards and the finale, are most likely from what GRRM said would happen, yet with no context. Also. After current re-reading the main series (cause I don't care that it isn't finished; what we have is entertaining storytelling), the story moments truly feel like someone showing you the wikipedia version of what Martin is cooking up.

[@dewkissedherba]

i love your review about the cinematography because i agree that it adjusted our reactions to the season

[@reinsaxony4623]

They even butchered books scenes and characters like Euron and didn't followed book material. The entire Jon Aegon was nothing more than they mixing Jon Snow and the actual Aegon Targaryen from the books as the same characters.

[@shikenkanade]

Poor Aegon, he got cut in half and became Cersei and his half-brother, Jon. And Daenerys copy pasted Jon Connington’s trauma with the bells. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@gfilmer7150]

I would’ve loved to see Aegon and Jon Con in the series. Instead of the Season 6 we got, imagine a hole other subplot where Aegon and Jonny C. are marching on King’s Landing and are just dunking on Lannister Army after Lannister Army. That would’ve been cool. Instead what we got was Jon in Season 6 getting Stannis’ Story from A Dance With Dragons.

[@gfilmer7150]

@Dyl Huge missed opportunity. Parts of Season 6 are obviously just filler as D&D needed to fill I the blanks as they were allergic to plot threads from the books. A lot of that fat would’ve been trimmed as Aegon’s plot would need to be fleshed out. Hell, Aegon can be the main character of Season 6 (as Robb Stark was the main character of Season 3). Season 7 could be The Second Dance of The Dragons between all three Targaryen heirs.

[@onlyfrog]

i love how we're still talking about how dirty they made that show. s6 is mediocre. i was reading the books today and fuck... i would be so sad if i were grrm. not pissed, just legitimately sad that i allowed dumb & dumber to destroy my characters and world building.

[@csanders9987]

It woulda been cool if Jon’s plot armour was bc of the lord of light (right after he’s brought back) but the subversion abt the night king could’ve been that Jon saves Arya (who this time could use her faceless man skills) or maybe even gives her a rousing speech

[@esrblgn]

season 6 really ended with the astonishing scene of the sept explosion, reveal of jon’s heritage and dany finally sailing to westeros. like that entire episode was probably one of the best in tv history but was completely underwhelmed by the stupidity in season 7. such a tragedy. also imo the scenes where we followed bran into the past were one of the best in the season and it’s criminal that they never furthered that talent.

[@Al-ji4gd]

Season 6 was just as bad as season 7.

[@esrblgn]

@@Al-ji4gd nahh season 6 had HIGH highs and rare lows, its mid at worst. season 7 was straight up bad with rare highs. you could combine the few plot holes s6 had and still wouldn’t come close to the stupidity of the wight kidnapping plot.

[@Al-ji4gd]

@@esrblgn Maybe not overall stupidity, but the so-called highs in season 6 were just there to cover for everything else that was bad. The quality of the actual writing was just as bad as S7 and S8.

[@Korounet]

Arya would've survived Robb's wounds XD

[@nickwagner155]

Love “the past to present” Skyrim soundtrack in the beginning

[@shizzyshizzy577]

Tbh the joke about Tyrion eating the baby had me laughing so bad

[@oldmanwaterfall]

The music was absolutely amazing. Just so good. Also, the track is called Light of the Seven btw. Your analysis is still spot on though.

[@andreavr7781]

i do like this season because of hold the door, the battle of the bastards and cersei blowing up the sept (when tommen killed himself i was so shook lmao) but it does have a few underwhelming plots as you said

[@franrojas5753]

"I work with Belethor at the general goods store"

[@zwest808]

“Some may call this junk, me-I call them treasures”

[@Melody311000]

Do you get to the cloud district often? What am I saying, of course you don't.

[@zwest808]

@@Melody311000 that’s Nazeem 😡😡

[@heitor5181]

EVERYTHING IS SALE, my friend, if i had a sister i sale her myself

[@Alpha1200]

I'd say as far as the seasons go... Season 1: Great. Season 2: Great. Season 3: Great. Season 4: Absolutely phenominal. Season 5: Decent with some weak points. Season 6: Bad with some strong points. Season 7: Bad. Season 8: Godawful.

[@rays8521]

I agree on everything but Season 6. I would say Good but with some non-sense. Because to be fair, a lot of hate on Season 6 from the book lovers are quite unjustified.

[@Negan2003]

Season 6 good

[@Planet_Caravan_94]

​@@rays8521how so ?

[@ScottyHenson]

I loved the music choices for this video!

[@ryanm.6005]

I enjoyed the chaos of the first part of the Battle of the Bastards but the second part where the army allows itself to be surrounded was too contrived.

[@char4980]

and the parts where jon is immune to arrows..

[@tsarofshadows1347]

@@char4980 and the part where Sansa and the knights of the Vale arrives just in time with her cringy ass smirk after not telling Jon that she even had an army

[@tsarofshadows1347]

​@@char4980 oh and the part where he charges headfirst into the battlefield by himself, or when for some fucking reason a mound of corpses is created so high up that it blocks the path for his entire army (this is clearly very silly and shows that D&D and the production people know jack shit about medieval battles - which is weird because before season 5 it looked like they did)

[@wizardsummoner9124]

IIRC it was supposed to be done with cavalry, which makes a lot more sense.

[@squidmanfedsfeds5301]

Spot on in the cinematography section, well said

[@onlyfrog]

!!!

[@Melon_lord587]

your narration is beautiful. subscribed :)

[@RedSoxFanatic4Life]

The thing that bothered me most about Sansa not telling Jon that the Vale army was coming north before the BOB is that Jon didn’t even ask her about it in the next episode.

[@shanouboubou]

It's somehow always a pleasure to watch you analyze dufferent GOT seasons and why they work or don't work. Can't wait for your S7 video !

[@toby1061]

I wish we saw more weird stuff, like Bran warming into pst Hodor, and I wish we saw more of Rickon, see in the books the Umbers are ready to help Stannis, so it would have been nice if we saw the Umbers come tot he aid of Jon Snow, as it would have been cool if we saw Big John Umber, taking the place of Great John Umber. Also the Blackfish should have survived, it would have been nice to see the North and a Riverlands actually fighting in the battle of the Bastards, as they have always been loyal to the Starks.

[@cardenuovo]

You hit the nail on the head about cinematography! You’re 100% right about the balance

[@jessesins7380]

One of my favorite Shots in s6 is honestly the one with lancels eye going all green and turning into the explosion

[@dr.virus1295]

Love that you actually show examples, compare the scenes with previous scenes, look at what makes it poor but also what makes it better; honestly man, you're the best reviewer.

[@no_rust_4950]

In the show: eh yeah we forgot that our familys got butchered at the red wedding In the books:THE NORTH REMEMBERS ALL WHO BETRAYED THE NORTH WILL PAY THE KINGSROAD SHALL BE PAINTED IN FREY BLOOD. fuck can't wait for Winds of Winter.

[@SP-cp3qu]

great video and analysis

[@invalidacz2624]

That Disparity in Quality of Writing is I think present in most new movies. Mainly in the whole MCU. And other shows/movies are trying to copy their style of writing a dramatic scene and then throwing it over the board with a cheap joke. And I think it just doesn´t work

[@ryano6094]

My favourite moment: tie between both Tower of Joy scenes and Hold the Door. My most hated moment: Doran and Trystane’s murders. 😡

[@made-line7627]

The Light of the Seven sequence and episode _was_ impeccable. It's what happened (or didn't happen) afterwards that buggered it all up.

[@ldougherty1572]

Exactly. I don't think it's fair to blame the lack of impactful aftermath for that sequence on S6. What we get in S6 is absolutely perfect. After all, the (lack of) aftermath happens in S7...

[@alexandretostes9002]

No. The lines “forget about the blody gods” and “we all need to leave” are two of the worst lines in all of Game of Thrones. They make absolutely zero sense. It has the same issue as Battle of the Bastards: visually incredible, but from a storytelling point of view it’s just trash.

[@tsarofshadows1347]

It was a very fun episode, I'll give you that, but it wasn't impeccable.

[@ldougherty1572]

@@alexandretostes9002 Why exactly do they make no sense? From what I can tell, "we all need to leave" isn't a very complicated line. She--as an astute character--realizes that Cersei is plotting something and thinks they need to escape danger. "Forget about the bloody gods" is a bit more complicated, but it's a great line. It got the High Sparrow's attention, highlighted his fanaticism, and finally revealed to the characters that Margaery was not honestly going along with their fanaticism the whole time.

[@ldougherty1572]

@@tsarofshadows1347 I will grant that Battle of the Bastards has *some* flaws, but as far as I can tell The Winds of Winter is flawless and one of--if not--the best episodes of television ever created.

[@vincentvega22]

7:36 I completely disagree with you regarding the execution of Walder Frey at the hands of Arya, it was one of the worst and most stupid moments of the series, that scene has nothing to do with GRR Martin, he has an epic revenge planned for the Red Wedding with Lady Stoneheart as the main protagonist and Arya has nothing to do with it.

[@akmonra]

It also seems to go against one of the major themes of the entire series, which is how revenge can be consuming and self-destructive. Robb can't surrender because he wants revenge, and dies. The Hound is consumed by revenge and suffers for it. Lady Stoneheart is so consumed she's not even the same person anymore. But Arya just runs around killing everyone on her "list", and nothing bad ever seems to come of it.

[@Lexio3031]

Great video, can’t wait for the season 7 analysis. I remember forums where they really believed the cracks and decrease in quality started season 7🤣🤣🤣

[@firefouuu]

I think you should also do "why season 2 is so underrated"

[@aleemizcool3654]

he did!!!

[@something.inconspicuous]

The ambient exploration music from Skyrim in the background works so well with this

[@cerealexperiments8189]

I really gotta say, I love your music choices.

[@elle3839]

Great video, really enjoying the GoT content that is taking a critical eye at the series after its completion. Gives me nostalgia for a show I was really invested, while validating my feelings of disappointment about the later seasons lol