GoT Season 6 Being Devoid of Logic

[@Madeleine_des_Esseintes]

I love how "just kinda forgot" has become a meme among GoT fans. This will be D&D's legacy.

[@viktorvaughn7341]

As it should quite frankly, perfect summation of the last couple seasons, "oops just kinda forgot"

[@daredevil6145]

and that is not even 'from' the show but D&Ds comments afterwards *defending lol, that sums up

[@Marweinicus]

Not just among GoT.... But it is the main one :D

[@Ganom-ng1zt]

It honestly kind of became a cultural meme at this point. Future aspiring writers will remember the incompetence of David and Dan and the damage they caused for their hubris through that sentence alone for years to come.

[@grimmywizard]

Those two twerps don't have a legacy anymore. As long as they had Martin's books, they were okay, the moment they went creative because of lack of books, it became utter shite

[@TheCatWatches]

Honestly surprised Tyrion wasn’t executed by the end of S6 for his poor management of Meereen. S6 is where his cognitive decline begins to show as Baelish’s did in S5

[@caincorn]

That thick thick plot armor just grew and grew.

[@tytybaby06]

Exactly! Instead he’s rewarded as hand of the queen when his plans failed & continued to fail! He’s the reason she lost all her allies

[@Hats502]

The characters can only be as smart as the writers. Which is brain dead stupid

[@belisarius6949]

BRAINROT

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@tytybaby06 no. She is at fault for ignoring Granny Goodness. I mean Lady Olenna.

[@kingofboggle954]

Tyrion going from the absolute smartest character to one of the dumbest is so infuriating. Second only to Brans story arc, "I'm the three-eyed Raven plus I'm paralyzed from the waist down so I can't make heirs, I have no desire to be king." To "what do you think I've been waiting for all this time" is hot garbage

[@VampireNewl]

Maybe him and Varys spent the boat ride to Essos huffing paint in the ships hull or something.

[@jacobadam6804]

I agree with the fact that they dumbed down Tyrion, hell they dumbed down everyone really. But Tyrion was never the absolute smartest character. Nor is he meant to be.

[@cleanerben9636]

ramp of chaos strikes again

[@nostalgicbliss5547]

The writing became a comedy to me by season 7.

[@Graddg]

@@jacobadam6804 yeah, you know who meant to be and who not, lmao

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

One thing I don't get: the sons of the harpy want Danaerys out of Mereen. Why burn her ships? How tf is she gonna leave?

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto love to hear it👍🏽

[@skodware]

I mean obviously killing her is a simpler solution

[@ValiduzZ]

I heard Karon offers a place on his boat for a fee! ;)

[@Levacque]

Well, at that point she wasn't around and nobody was sure whether she was returning. The harpies were simply beginning the escalation that would result in full-blown bloodshed, because to them the figurehead of the freedom movement is gone along with her greatest weapon, so they could begin their open manoeuvres. If anything, this is one of the only things in the season that actually fit with the pre-established motives of characters.

[@jacobadam6804]

@@ValiduzZ Are you referencing MK11?

[@nunouno001]

People who think Game of Thrones wasn't bad until Arya stabbed the Night King really need to watch the entire second half of the show.

[@glaonrielelsinoth7243]

And then rewatch the first half.

[@Madeleine_des_Esseintes]

You don't agree that "You want a good girl, but you need a bad poooossay" is the greatest line ever written, the absolute peak of human ingenuity!? What a philistine, smh...

[@larochejaquelein3680]

Only Season 1 is good, the other seasons are utter trash because they deviate too much from the books.

[@Fartucus]

After that happened i had to go on youtube and see someones reaction to know that i wasnt crazy for my massive disappointment. The first video i clicked on was a bar reaction with 50+ people. The moment the knight king dies the entire crowd erupted in cheers. One of the few times in my life where i feel like an alien on the planet with these simpletons walking around and apparently im in the minority.

[@hanskaczka7688]

@@larochejaquelein3680 What? Can you tell me the big deviations until season 4, please? I'm pretty sure the differences are not very big but maybe I've already forgotten somethin'. Book Spoiler: The biggest changes I have in mind are that Brienne finds Arya, which doesn't happen in the books and maybe Lady Stoneheart if her arc is important in WoW.

[@bloodypsycho6025]

Imagine if they took aspects of lady stoneheart and used them for John resurrection. Making him more and more unhinged and brutal to the point where hes a threat but a necessary one to keep the whites away. That would’ve been cool.

[@joana5337]

This is my headcannon for the rewrite I have in my head. Jon dies a Stark bastard, comes back a Targaryen.

[@gfilmer7150]

That would be awesome… But D&D hate character development

[@j-rey-]

That's probably where GRRM will take Jon's resurrection. The specifics of how his personality will change are up for debate, but I am certain that it will be a damaged and angry Jon that returns.

[@grimmywizard]

I think, we the fans, could come together and write a much more meaningful story than d&d

[@gabrieldnchf2822]

@@j-rey- probably a little more wolfish and wild

[@mohsenbayati3627]

We all were busy hating Ramsay that we didn't see the shitty writing.

[@jacobadam6804]

Speak for yourself. I started telling my friends that the show was going downhill during season 5.

[@mohsenbayati3627]

@@jacobadam6804 same

[@akbersalim9096]

I thought it was only me, during those days something negative about game of thrones equaled death.

[@thefisherman0074]

I remember showing my dad seasons 1-4 and he loved it and he usually doesn’t like fantasy genres. We were excited to watch season 5 and we went from confused to boredom. So many things didn’t make sense but the saddest part was when my dad said “Bran wasn’t even in this season”. Remember that huge hype from season 4? “you will fly” D&D kinda forgot about that.

[@felipevargas953]

@@thefisherman0074 i started watching right before s6e9, so i got sick and watched GoT s1 to 4 a Day/season. And then came season 5, i took a whole week to watch It, Season 6 i watched in like two days only because my friends wanted to watch the season 6 finale together. Like, i devoured the show and could see, It was so clear, s5 was the start of the shitshow that would come

[@pierrelhommet1118]

Another lack of logic in season 6: Ser Davos feeling nothing at all when he learns of the heroic sacrifice of the Goddamn Mannis' army against the Boltons

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

The implication was that it was evident to him and jon when mel returned season 5 end. The real nonsense is davos who's never heard of resurrection suggest it to melisandre who has

[@italianodblaugrana3842]

Dave kinda forgot he was Stannis' hand

[@zackyvwasin339]

Yes, Earlier season we saw how he so loyal to Stannis that even his fingers got cut for his crime, he'd still be on Stannis Side And then in season 6, they made him like someone who's ready to switch side, after the death of Stannis, he was like "Mmm K, imma be with Jon now"

[@backdrop8469]

Oh no, it's the Shameposting guy

[@gfilmer7150]

Or violently trying to take revenge on Brienne when she brags about it to his face.

[@3arv9yaani]

The fact that most of the audience won't remember Ed itself is explanation enough as to why Dumb and Dumber thought they can just simply "forget" things

[@gfilmer7150]

If the show runners didn’t kill Stannis off, we could’ve had a whole subplot where Ed and Stannis were both running for Lord Commander of The Night’s Watch.

[@3arv9yaani]

@@gfilmer7150 It's literally these countless scenarios that never saw light of day, that hurt

[@grimmywizard]

Such a loyal guy, GOT was one of the greatest things but in the hands of fools, it's nothing

[@gfilmer7150]

@@3arv9yaani The pain is too much

[@damuvang1915]

Who is Ed?

[@DriantX]

While there's a lot of stupidity in Season 6, I'd like to nitpick on two points in the video; 6:45 - It is heavily implied that the man the Mountain kills is the abusive father of one of the "little birds" Qyburn is using. In a later scene Qyburn is talking to one of the kids, asking how the kid's eye and his mother's jaws are healing. Asks if he has seen his father, kid replies 'No one has seen him', to which Qyburn replies 'And no one will, that worked out rather nicely'. Qyburn killed the father using the Mountain to solidify the kid's loyalty. I kinda liked those scenes after connecting the dots as it gave us a little insight on how the 'recruitment' process works. 6:15: No one was helping Arya, likely because they likely know who and what the Waif is. When Arya arrived at Bravoos, it was shown that the local populace knows who the faceless men are when the thugs ran away in fear from one of Jaqen's disguises. I'd not get in their way either. The people who are not helping and watching are two young girls, and some beggars who likely don't give any shit, it's pretty reasonable that none of them helped Arya, even if they had no idea who the Waif was.

[@cyclopsdias]

On your first point,is there any concrete proof of that??? I am genuinely wondering,I always thought that this guy was just a random drunk who made a habbit of mocking Cersei and she just sent the Mountain to get rid of him.

[@SeeThomasHowl]

The video itself is a bit of a nit pick in some parts. It is a good vid and set out what it meant to do but some of it is a bit of a reach. The 2 instances you pointed out being good examples.

[@morganolai8926]

@@cyclopsdias It is the first time I hear this take, and even if this was correct, it is conveyed horribly in the show. I bet 99% of people would assume the guy was killed by The Mountain because of what was said immediately before, and not keep this guy in mind after that. If they wanted it to explain the recruitment of Qyburn's little birds, there are a thousand ways they could have done that better.

[@planetkc]

Nah, bad writing.

[@caincorn]

@@morganolai8926 true if he was a father of one of the little birds, his earlier scene with his “slander” was outright unnecessary.

[@vivavoxxy97]

About Jon's resurrection. According to GRRM himself. Even when someone is brought back by the Lord of Light that person's blood doesn't pump through their body and they lack the need to eat or sleep. But this is D&D we're talking about. Characters like Beric and Jon are technically Fire Wights.

[@gfilmer7150]

We should’ve gotten a darker Jon after Ygritte’s death but no, D&D didn’t want that so Jon doesn’t change. Then, when Jon absolutely should have changed later in the story, they just made him a Ned Stark clone.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@gfilmer7150 I don't think they can handle fan favourite characters being bad. Look how much they changed Tyrion

[@gfilmer7150]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 “Fan favorites can’t be bad”

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@gfilmer7150 if they did his book arc, it would've been really cool but his development is like polar opposite on the show from what I know. Fucking dick joke dwarf

[@gfilmer7150]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 He should’ve the Demon Monkey of Essos. Instead, it’s Peter Dinklage doing comedy

[@kirakovacs4877]

About the c*ck jokes: for some reason nowadays showrunners tend to think that swearing and obscene jokes are a necessary part of ANY kind of show to have comedy elements. I don't know if it's because they want to capture the attention of younger people or they simply try to hide their incompetence in writing, but it's really annoying. The recently released second season of the Witcher is also full of them, and for the majority of the people who say them it's just so out of character: priestesses, queens/kings, the leader of a sorceress academy... I'm not trying to defend D&D, but it's not solely their fault, it's mostly the fault of this idiotic trend, and also the fact that a lot of people watch almost anything if it looks good

[@noemitamas4066]

Thank you! I hate it how they think this makes the characters sound "witty" or "sassy". In reality their way of speaking just blends together in a stupid attempt to appear edgy. When everyone acts vulgar it stops being a defining character trait.

[@kirakovacs4877]

@@noemitamas4066 Exactly. It's especially annoying when there is a source material with beautiful dialogues between characters, and then the adaptation just... skips it all, because "it"s too slow"

[@jeepersjava]

I want to know why there are so many explicitly sexual scenes in general. Why am I seeing people literally naked on TV

[@kirakovacs4877]

@@jeepersjava Basically because anything can be sold with naked people today... Doesn't matter if the show has bad writing, if there's enough sexual scenes, people will watch it. And sadly most showrunners only do it for quick money, they don't want to create something unique and meaningful. It's also the fault of our faster lifestyle, people demand content, so companies like HBO and Netflix put higher pressure on showrunners to make something that can be sold in a short time for large profit

[@alaskamark4562]

Anna Bev. Imagine you're a lazy, talentless, hack director and you're presented with four options: 1. You can make a scene where a handful of talented actors display their skills through complex dialogue. 2. You could have a big battle scene with dozens or even hundreds of people working hard to make an amazing spectacle the audience will never forget. 3. You could pour lots of time and resources into animating magic fantasy creatures doing something epic. 4. You could have some idiots take their clothes off and start rubbing all over each other in front of a camera. Which of these seems like the easiest, cheapest, most low-effort thing to do?

[@bloodrunsclear]

I love how half the writing of this series was just tossing aside 'overpowered' things. Don't know what to do with The Fleet? Burn it. Don't know what to do with Dorn? Topple it. Too many dragons? An archer gets lucky. Don't know what to do with smart characters? Now they're dumb...and usually dead.

[@ghostgrimmm]

Got really had a decline in quality after season 4. But everything was sort of forgivable up until two key moments in s7. Bronn surviving the dragonfire on s7 e4 was a huge red flag. When that battle started, I really felt his time had come, and being Got I knew he'd die for sure since he really had no more room in the story to go. It really was his time and would have made that battle that much more meaningful losing a big character like him. Then he didn't die. And not only that, he then saved Jamie in the most ludicrous and ridiculous manner possible. The first unforgivable thing the show did imo. Then s7 e6 (Beyond the wall) happened. And it cemented that Got was dead. That entire episode is a complete disaster and everything that happens after that just keeps getting worse.

[@deeta000]

You’re the first person I’ve seen mention season 4 being the beginning of the end. It’s when D&Ds bullshit starts to seep through the cracks.

[@nomnom137]

@@deeta000 he said AFTER season 4

[@Levacque]

To be fair, if I were going to pick out any one Westerosi character from ASOIAF that could survive the first dragon battle in 170 years, I'd pick Bronn. But yeah, there's that one blast of fire that 100% would have ignited everything that Bronn was using for cover. Aside from that, and Jaime's fucked-up up charge in which he didn't even properly couch his spear (one of the best jousters in the kingdom, huh?), I actually consider that battle to be the best scene from S5 onwards.

[@Mm-th5jo]

i stopped watching at that episode beyond the wall in season 7 too. I love GOT and i don’t want my memory of it to be further tarnished by continuing

[@MaXiMoS54]

The huge red flag was canning Stannis' plot. They quickly disposed of him and topped it off a with a random brienne killing him out of nowhere

[@thefoochie2118]

Finally the video of season 6 being dumb. I’m tired of people who say the downfall started at season 8.

[@grimmywizard]

The downfall started the moment dumb and dumber ran outta Martin's book material and started their own horrible creativity

[@bobbyb2749]

The downfall started with the Craster's Keep plot in season 4.

[@bobbyb2749]

@@grimmywizard Dumb and Dumber's ego is the only thing to blame, because if they got sick of it and wanted to do a Star Wars movie they could've simply leave and let someone else finish the show, but instead they decided to rush it. Running out of books is not an excuse, because there were still plenty of unused material from the books, established characters, multiple seasons of worldbuilding and character development and they knew how the story was supposed to end, competent writers would have done magic with that, so this isn't really an issue.

[@thehound9988]

@@grimmywizard they didn't run out of book, season 4 ends at the end of a storm of swords, they still had two full books to properly adapt, but they didn't for some reason

[@austinford1530]

it started from season 2 or even 3 in some ways.

[@zeitGGeist]

Calling robin arryn “the King of Calcium” will be the funniest joke in history.

[@zeitGGeist]

Every time I get a notification about this comment, I laugh again. Thank you.

[@bait5257]

Lmao

[@maamouns1484]

bro I've laughed out so loud I almost woke up the peeps lmao

[@fijardim7]

😂😂😂

[@FrancoRullo-nb5ot]

Lollll

[@jacobadam6804]

One of the things I hated is how Sam pretty much just got away with stealing Heartsbane. Yeah, his dad hates him but he lets him get away with stealing the family ancestral weapon. Which is made of Valyrian steel and is very rare. I literally rolled my eyes when that happened.

[@made-line7627]

It was so f*cking bizarre

[@jacobadam6804]

@@made-line7627 It was dumb is what it was. I can’t stand Sam’s character in the show. He should have died in the Long Night. At least something cool would have happened then.

[@made-line7627]

@@jacobadam6804 I love Sam, and always will, though you're right about how he should have died in the "Long" Night

[@jacobadam6804]

@@made-line7627 The thing that bothers me about him is that he literally never suffers any consequences for anything. He’s broken his Nights Watch vows by taking a wife and fathering a child. An offense punishable by death. He stole the ancestral weapon of his house. He went to the citadel, studied for like a month, stole books and then left. What are the consequences for this? He becomes Grand Maester, a position he got purely through nepotism and a position for which he is in no way qualified. His plot armor is thicker than the Wall itself and it irritates me just to think about his stupid neckbeard face lol

[@jacobadam6804]

@@made-line7627 Not to mention the fact that he was babied by Jon since the beginning, causing other men to lose their positions or flat out die. He realizes that Jon is his meal ticket and he sucks up to him any chance he gets. Hell, Edd literally sacrifices himself to save Sam, but who do he and Gilly name their child after? Jon! Ugggggggh

[@unrulydanny1932]

Can't wait to see the 3 hour version of this video for season 8

[@GodotOfficial]

Dumb and Dumber: it’s been years since GOT ended, I hope everyone forgot about how we murdered one of the most popular shows in history Us: The Fanbase Remembers

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Some wounds, even time can not heal. SOME Stains remain forever.

[@syntheticreality549]

It is known.

[@bait5257]

@@syntheticreality549 ye

[@redace4821]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Wound and scar doesn't heal, they just fade a little less.

[@achillesglacia7700]

They should have atleast labeled it after season 5, start tagging it DnD cut, would have made it less annoying.

[@zonefreakman]

I felt really bad for Marcella. She seemed like such a sweet girl and got barely any air time. It seemed like D&D just used her for a convenient plot development.

[@Mr.Hizenberg]

Особенно в свете того, что в книге она жива и относительно здорова

[@Atelierwanwan]

What I always found odd about maester pycelle is in an earlier point in the series I can't really remember when it's implied that he's not as infirm as he acts. He's standing straight and even had a woman with him but when he needs to answer the door or something he goes into his hunch as if getting into character. Am I crazy or did this happen and then nothing come of it since he is very infirm throughout the rest of the series.

[@ainsleycarrington]

This def happened, just trying to affirm your reality 😄

[@superkiwi5633]

Tywin tells to Pycell that he knows he's faking, to which Pycell says he's keeping a low profile to live as long as possible, but all that happened in a deleted scene

[@marcinkrz3140]

It's mostly showed in one deleted scene between him and Tywin but it's still canon that Pycelle is faking Also Pycell is suppose to be a total Lanister loyalist but for some reason in this season he's working with Elena instead of trying to preserve Cersi's I think they kind of forgot about him

[@Levacque]

Yes, it was very clearly shown. He's sitting on his bed wheezily waxing about dead kings to a whore as she gets dressed, and then as soon as she leaves he hops to his feet, does some deep squat stretches, then dresses himself and assumes a shuffling stoop before opening his door. Then, after Tyrion is injured in the Blackwater, Pycelle greets him with a steady voice and a frighteningly clear gaze. So it was there, without a deleted scene. But we're talking about season 2 and earlier, and we all know why those seasons were more consistent.

[@bierwolf8360]

@@marcinkrz3140 Elena? Do you mean Olenna? And no, he was working with Kevan Lannister, who was more Tywin-y than Cersei

[@raina1848]

Yeah, Tyrion just irritated me after a point. I hate what they turned him into, especially when you remember amazing moments like his scene against Tywin in the court in season 4.

[@VampireNewl]

Characters can only be as smart as the author at the end of the day

[@Levacque]

"I wish I had enough poison for the pack of you!" God, I miss him. It's a shame Tyrion died in that privy with his father.

[@therealhunterz3289]

It took me to season 7 to realise how dumb the writing has become.. When they planned to go beyond the walls and bring back a dead which will take more than a month where they could have planned a strategy to get kings landing in 3 days.. (Though with dragon Daenerys took only one day) ... Tyrion knowing secret passage and yet not revealing that and making such useless plans.. Thats the moment I realized game of thrones has actually turned to a piece of shit

[@barneyboyle6933]

The show starts going off the rails after season 4. Yah, 8 was a masterpiece of terrible writing, but 5, 6, and 7 were all messes too.

[@avalon5957]

What really is missing in the context of Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor, for it to make sense that she still had the favour of the people , is for Cersei to address the incident to the court/the people and claim that the explosion was caused by the leader of the fanatics, the High Sparrow, in an attempt to murder both their king and queen. She could even brush it off, to make the lie more believable, by claiming her respect for the gods and also reminding people that her beloved, and recently deceased, son AND daughter was buried there, and now she has no place to mourn her loss. Most people could believe that, as they saw how the fanatics acted with violence. And since the explosion was clearly caused by dragonfire -which the people had already seen/heard about, she could have lied and said that the fanatics had captured the alchemists and forced them to produce it for them, which the fanataics planned to use to burn the people of the city and the royal family alive with, would they not yield to their new rule. Would've made a quick scene, in which this was established, and then people wouldn't be so confused as to WHY the people aren't rising up against her. But, we all know that D&D would never had been so clever as to think of simple logic, and actually know how Cersei works and how conniving she is, despite having had all the books and the actresses' input on the matter.

[@123videos456]

After Cersei blew up the Sept i was expecting serious blowback. Cersei’s plans are always short sighted and i was fully expecting repercussions however they never came to pass. A major event in kings landing had no consequences.

[@iamthewalrus4998]

In hindsight GOT jumped the shark after season 4 but was entertaining enough to make season 5/6 enjoyable. After that D&D didn’t really care anymore and just rushed the shit out of the whole plot.

[@crudboy12]

I feel like a lot of these "characters being dumb" moments are only really a problem retroactively. When you're watching a show like this, you trust the writers to a degree and assume that things like Tyrion being "off his game" in seasons 5 and 6 are intentional, and will have a deliberate impact on the story later. Watching for the first time, I assumed that he was just sitting around making dick jokes because he was drunk and didn't really care as a result of the events of season 4. In season 5, him wanting to drink and do nothing is a conflict between him and Verys, so watching 6 I was expecting his mistakes to catch up with him or for him to have a moment where he finally "snaps out of it" and returns to his old self. It's only when you realize that that's just how he is now for the duration of the show, and that the writers aren't meaning to portray him that way, that his season 6 portrayal becomes bad. It would have been really interesting if, as everything's going to shit in Meereen, Tyrion finally wakes up and makes and 11th hour decision that saves the day, and realistically earns the trust of Danaerys and her lieutenants. Instead he pretty much runs the city into the ground and Danaerys herself shows up and saves the day, and then doesn't let the dragons play with Tyrion like a dog toy or take any meaningful action against him for his incompetence. Honestly she acts like she watched season 2 on HBO during some downtime in the pyramid, because she trusts Tyrion way too quickly given how little she should know about him.

[@FMSkyLoL]

I'm glad that I don't feel alone anymore with thinking Season 6 was already a big downfall It's the same with TWD. The first few Seasons are great but then it just dulls down to get a bigger audience

[@WayneMercy]

Pretty sure it’s a super popular opinion that seasons 1-4 are amazing while 5-8 are garbage

[@FMSkyLoL]

@@WayneMercy I never heard that from anyone but a close friend of mine. Everywhere I saw people even praising Season 7 which was already as bad as Season 8

[@olliee2353]

Honestly I still enjoyed every season, season 6 was probably the best for me due to the last 2 eps.

[@deeta000]

The end of season 4 is the beginning of the end.

[@_weyhxx]

I respectfully disagree. It's a fact, that the show became worse after season 4, but imo Season 5 and 6 were still great. Both seasons had way more flaws than the previous seasons, but the peaks are as high as usual. Battle of bastards or winds of winter are amazing episodes, same with hardhome. And actually season 7 still had great moments like the olenna moment with jaime. Season 1-4 are definitly the best Seasons, no doubt, but Season 5 and 6 are still great with flaws, season 7 is still enjoyable und season 8 was garbage... Season 5/6 and 7 are way closer to the first 4 seasons than to season 8, change my mind.

[@mappingshaman5280]

7:29 in the show this is the only scene where its really covered but in the books cersei is far more tyrannical. Before the battle of the Blackwater there's several people who say things against the lannisters and cersei wants them locked up whereas tyrion things they should be allowed to speak freely. Cersei locks up the begging brothers whom are basically seven worshippers whom tell doomsday prophecies even though tyrion opposed it. So it is absolutely in the character of book cersei to have this guy killed.

[@sztallone415]

Good point, but do we see Cersei fuming about him? That's the most important thing.

[@assaulth3ro911]

Yeah but not by the Mountain. See the issue?

[@Levacque]

To be fair, Tyrion had a singer cooked into bowls of brown because he had the audacity to write a treasonous song. He did that under his own authority as Hand.

[@Leonardo.778]

It's insane how many plotholes I missed the first time watching the show. But I rewatched the entire series last year and since then I think that the only really good seasons are 1 to 4.

[@bait5257]

Then you should re-watch s4. There are many there

[@Leonardo.778]

@@bait5257 Namely?

[@achillesglacia7700]

1 to 5

[@jackhulme3004]

Only season 1 is clean imo. But the good outweighs the positive for 2-4 and 5 is still fun

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

You know, in the hands of good writers, Tyrion's bad jokes and constant belittlement of Varys in the later seasons could have been intentional; a subtle way of showing he's so far gone at this point he can't even put in the effort for witty remarks. Have Varys point that out and slowly bring back Tyrion to his former self through new character development. But that's a lot to ask from D&D

[@nikolay4101-s7r]

Really channeling your inner Glidus spirit here. (He knows you're watching)

[@happycompy]

Yupppp. I wish they'd collab. "I DID."

[@strakk]

I love how this is never going to get old

[@alphahelix7948]

Supercuts, generally I agree with your views, but I've stopped this video at 34 seconds to issue my first complaint. Ser Alliser left Jon's body in the open to show his disdain for the man. He wanted to leave him as food for the crows, which actually has symbolic meaning when you consider that "crows" is a slang term for the Night's Watch. By bringing the body inside, Ser Davos and company indicated that they still supported Jon's memory and were opposed to Ser Alliser. THAT'S what Thorne had a problem with. Not the body being taken inside, but the roomful of men opposed to his rule. The scene IS logical.

[@gfilmer7150]

But the reasoning why he does kill Jon makes no sense.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

Why would he think there wouldn't be a resistance to him killing the Lord commander? How long could he hold back the news? The wildlings are past the wall, Jon is their saviour and they have a fooking giant with them. And there's only like 50 of them at castle black

[@Booksandboots]

Well at least y’all should know that GRRM did write the death of Jon this way but we are yet to know how that plays out so we’ll see how that goes because until then we can only rely on how the show dealt w Jon’s death since the book where he dies ends at his death via stabbing mutiny. I wonder how the situation will be dealt w as GRRM is very good at consequences as well as maneuvering through the logic in these types of scenes

[@danatedawg1018]

He rly seems to be picky picky about plot points. Like if it’s not A+ writing he gets angry. I think season 5 is good still and season 6 is alright. Seems they’re both horrible and seasons 7 and 8 are even worse trash burns according to him

[@Beenbarian]

Ser Athur Dayne was an immense swordsman and they all feared him. Even when surrounded no doubt all of them were wary that he could spin and slice them up (as he actually did). He was exposed for only a very short time while attacking because he created that time by parrying off the other attackers and pushing them back, eventually forcing them all in front of him. A very well choreographed scene. Having everyone charge and swing/stab at the same time would probably have ended in them hurting each other too. It's not a game, you can't just respawn, those fears are rational. Personally I think it makes sense.

[@Levacque]

It's a pretty well-established fact in our own history that the only way to take down a heavily armored knight is to mob him. The justification you're describing is completely unrealistic from both historical and a basic combat perspective. Like, they all died anyway because they didn't overwhelm him when they had numbers. That fight was flashy and not much else, like look at how much energy Arthur is wasting. His wrists would have been so exhausted from all that spinning that he probably wouldn't even have had grip strength after a minute.

[@cynicalfox190]

@@Levacque but Ned starks character was supposed to be the epitome of an honourable man. One would think his closest bannermen would too be very honourable otherwise Ned stark would not want them around him. It’s only when faced with no other choice because Ned was left alone did one resort to stabbing another knight in the back. Honestly if it was any other character that went into that situation I would probably side with you but Ned Stark is written to be too honourable to the point it is a huge failing of his and the reason for his death. It absolutely works with his character and his bannermen to fight “with honour” rather than all just tackling Arthur as soon as he was the last man standing against them. Although I’m sure it’s explained in the books I’m still not quite sure why he never takes issue with Roberts rebellion being founded on a lie, that’s the only point of his character that doesn’t fit but I assume the tv show just left that out and it is actualy explained in the books

[@Levacque]

@@cynicalfox190 that's all true. It's never been made obvious in the books yet, because that depends on the big reveal about Jon's parents that we all know is coming, but Ned's willingness to keep the lie going is entirely about keeping his promise to Lyanna to protect Jon. It's his main cause of inner turmoil, because he has to pretend to have a bastard but also refuses to discuss Jon with anybody, and so he dishonours himself every single day to keep the lie going. His chapters in the books are amazing when you (think you) know about his secret, because just about everything he does as an adult is affected by his drive to protect children from harm. And anytime there's an issue about children being harmed, he thinks about either Jon, Lyanna, or Rhaegar. Very telling, without GRRM ever actually telling us. He's torn apart inside by the lie that started his best friend's monarchy, but he can't let anybody know, so protecting children becomes his primary motivation without ever being explicitly stated. It's a catch-22, he has to dishonour himself greatly in one way so that he can maintain a different, much more honourable code.

[@Grayto]

Men with armor shields should have no problem restraning an outnumbered foe. No matter how good you are, you can't land a single-strike killing blow blindly slashing at an opponent behind who is armoured and/or has shield. All that would be needed is for one of them to grab a limb or hook a sword and its over. Think riot police rather than Jedi. most knights weren't killed outright, they were captured. In any realistic sense, if they truly were afraid of him, they would have taken their damn timed, tired him out, picked away at him, and neutralized him.

[@WillRock07]

One thing I hated that probably seems very small is the line "I drink and I know things." However, the reason isn't just because it's a bad line. It's because it's a bad line, that got heavily promoted, and everyone lapped it up to the point that it is one of the most quoted lines of the entire show. "I drink and I know things" to me is a good example of how the dialogue in the show became very shallow - in early seasons, characters said things of substance, but by season 6, characters were just exclaiming things about themselves and expecting the audience to just accept it. It doesn't feel clever, it feels patronising to the audience. Tyrion is smart and is a drinker? How can we show this? Just state it directly! It's not witty, it's not clever, it's not really anything. It doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. However, the quote has become by FAR his most famous quote, despite the fact I believe it's one of his worst ever. For me, the fact that quote was so popular was justification for D&D that despite the fact they had started phoning it in, the general viewing public didn't give a shit because it was "Game of thrones". To me, that quote was a sign that the public would accept mediocrity, and from there, that allowed D&D to just get lazier and lazier. I think that line more than any other shows just bad the show got and how the general viewing public allowed and even celebrated that decline in quality.

[@rot3053]

I hated that line, too. It just seemed like a 4th wall wink to the audience. Like, "hahahahaha, that's our Tyrion! When do the t shirts come out?"

[@impguardwarhamer]

Alot of the later seasons are carried by the quality of acting of the cast and not the writing. Theres even quotes from cast members and D&D that basically admit this. Things started dropping off immediately after they ran out of book content, but the pure acting skill managed to hold it through until it really collapsed in s7/8

[@bobbyb2749]

Season 6 is so overrated. It seems like people only remember the Hodor scene and the last two episodes and forget how mediocre the rest of the season was.

[@gfilmer7150]

Season 6 definitely has some pacing issues. Hell, I’d go so far as to say Seasons 1, 2, & 4 are the only well paced Seasons. Seasons 3, 5, & 6 are very slow paced and full of all kinds of fillery shit then Seasons 7&8 are so fast paced, they rush through storylines like an Olympic Runner.

[@johns1625]

I was so mad that the whole Lord of Light and visions in the fire and Millesandre thing was entirely abandoned. Especially bow Berick was brought back to life like five times just so he could hold like 5 walkers back from Arya when he could have just rushed into the room with them and closed the door.

[@raphaelcaamano1884]

Killing off Osha, the Blackfish and Rickon was completely unnecessary in Season 6, just like killing off Ser Barristan and Stannis was unnecessary in Season 5.

[@Grayson030]

Damn honestly didn't remember the season that well so i didn't know it had so many stupid moments . You forgot to mention how the hunting hounds that wanted to chew on Sansa disappeared once the rescue pratty showed up to the scene

[@nostalgicbliss5547]

I still remember that lol

[@CatastrophicDisease]

Ser Alliser deciding to kill Jon but then experiencing backlash from the wildlings is more his character miscalculating than actual bad writing - and, it's consistent with Bowen Marsh's exact same actions during ADWD.

[@aziizrocks]

When I get a new video notification, I almost immediately watch and like it. I've enjoyed your content for many years, but I REALLY fell in love with you and everything channel related cause of the "The dowfall of David and Dan" video. Keep doing (The nonexistent gods) work and you'll always have a fan in me! Fan request: maybe an update of a short video about what they've been up to?

[@thelitterbug7624]

The dumbest thing in the Sam plot is when he takes a thousand year old family sword, valerian steel no less from one of the most powerful families in the Reach and escapes at a snails pace carry a baby. It baffles me how no one ever picked out on of these thousands of idiocies while in writing

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

I would say you definitely owe Glidus a shoutout

[@SunshinePip]

They wasted the conversations between Tyrion, Missandei and Greyworm. They could have used it as opportunity to Tyrion to learn and try to understand the lives of people who were born and raised there to try and help Dany. They also could have used it to give more history. I remember that scene where he was trying to make them tell jokes felt so uncomfortable. He just convinced them to try and drink alcohol rather than using his ability to speak to almost anyone and use his wit. Just thinking of when Tyrion apologized to Sansa after her father was murdered and defended it by saying that even though he was considered a traitor, it didn't change the fact that it was her father. I don't understand how you have a witty, cunning, observant and empathetic character and just waste it. Some of the best scenes were just dialogue inbetween Cersei and Robert or Tyrion and the stark children.

[@professorgrimm4602]

In the first 4 seasons everybody made mostly logical decisions, some more and some less. But beginning with season 5 and getting worse and worse through 6-8, people started not only making decisions completely devoid of logic, but also decisions that don't fit their character at all.

[@hipsterishfox]

Absolutely hate how Tyrions lines changed to shitty sex jokes

[@italianodblaugrana3842]

"I did" the Glidus meme

[@happycompy]

The best Glimbus meme imo. Gets me every time.

[@Vron170]

The one thing that can make watching the footage of later seasons bearable: The Witcher 3 soundtrack 👌

[@dvirkovas]

FINALLY looked really fcn long for this skellige theme 100

[@fluidarana3637]

I think the Ser Alliser one was still in-character. Something I think Ser Alliser would do.

[@gauravtributes5023]

Season 1-4 were peak for me, season 5 was when writing of this show started getting worse but it was still tolerable till season 6 because of some good Episodes and two best episodes are from season 5 and 6 as well (Hardhome & battle of bastards), season 7 clearly gone in the wrong direction. This show deserve atleast 10 seasons to complete the story.

[@rubyrose9258]

You're 100% correct omg

[@jdv4623]

I'd agree but I think winds of winter was a better episode than battle of bastards. As much as I appreciate BoB for the filming and work put into it, the deus ex machina knights of the vale do kind of ruin how good the episode is

[@Wahba.]

@@jdv4623 thank you

[@gfilmer7150]

Idk how anyone can stand Season 5

[@rubyrose9258]

@@gfilmer7150 tbh the only thing from season 5 I remember was Jon saying he still loved Ygritte, the battle at Hardhome and his assassination 💀 And oddly enough those were the only things I actually cared about

[@fabricerobitaille9673]

I love these videos, I'm currently rewatching it atm and I noticed that in Episode "The Queen's Justice" season 7 around the 44 minute mark, Bran literally says, I cannot be Lord of anything, I am the three eyed raven. Yet goes on to being Bran the Broken and accepts his nomination to be King... Dumb and Dumber ruined this show in so many ways.

[@SK-ki3fq]

All I gotta say is.. Ty for playing Witcher theme in the background.. made me wanna play that masterpiece again ❤️

[@memesupreme5502]

Will never understand why the mountain killed the guy bragging about Cersei, why exactly is he loyal to her to the point that he goes out and finds someone slandering her to kill them? I get that he is bloodthirsty but it was just so random to have him be in Fleabottom of all places instead of with Cersei.

[@DriantX]

The guy he killed was the father of one of the children (named Arthur) Qyburn was using as a 'little bird'. Qyburn was shown later talking to the kid, asking how Arthur's eye has healed, asking if his mother's jaw was any better, and how good it was that his father 'disappeared' and that 'no one will ever see him again'. It's heavily implied that Qyburn killed his abusive father using the Mountain to earn/keep loyalty of the kid.

[@georgeclooney6208]

I guess you're one of those fruitcakes who has to be explained to everything happening in the plot

[@georgeclooney6208]

I guess you're one of those fruitcakes who has to be explained to everything happening in the plot

[@panthera9151]

I think he's the guy who flashed Cersei during her walk of shame. Cersei is petty enough to order Qyburn to track the man down and send the Mountain after him. In the books she gave a girl to the Mountain because she performed puppet plays that Cersei found offending, so it's not out of character for her to have someone killed purely out of spite.

[@Levacque]

I had thought it was servants relaxing in a castle courtyard, but that's giving the writers WAY too much credit

[@qjames0077]

Season 6 was the Beginning of the End for me

[@lordofcastamere9376]

S5

[@mattyc1787]

Season has its amazing moments but big flaws

[@alexking988]

Shirtless Ramsey for me😬😬

[@x_.suzaku._x]

S7

[@carlosbauza8654]

We need "Why Season 3 of Game of Thrones is EPIC"

[@gfilmer7150]

And Season 2. Underrated season.

[@Levacque]

"Why Season 4 of Game of Thrones Totally Slaps." "Why Season 1 of Game of Thrones can do Whatever it Wants to My Body."

[@RebornV3]

I wish you would have spent more time with Sam taking Gilly to Hornhill that was so dumb and devoid of logic it hurt.

[@Levacque]

Like, we are well aware that Sam and his dad have a bad relationship, and that Randyll is a terrible person. And since Sam faced zero consequences for stealing an ancestral sword, the entire subplot had no purpose whatsoever. I am constantly baffled by what they spent precious screen time on.

[@brunotosin6847]

Maester pycelle’s fart actually made me laugh for quite a while lol

[@nicholasbourcier]

God, I cannot wait for the Battle of the Bastards being devoid of logic. That episode was so awful. I just don't understand the praise it gets.

[@theskiesupabove106]

yeah you clearly don't

[@stopplzs]

@@theskiesupabove106 too much plot armor for Jon Snow. He should’ve died after Ramsay made him take the bait, and Ramsay had a clear shot to his head but instead kills an already dying giant

[@theskiesupabove106]

​@@stopplzsjust because there is plot armor, doesn't mean it's bad

[@Saidor570]

It was visually impressive, but in terms of writing it was a simplistic rehash of Helm's Deep.

[@theskiesupabove106]

@@Saidor570 ...how

[@Lamsan02]

Agh... Now I'm all hyped for the upcoming book. I need that damn book to be ready if posible in my lifetime.

[@nickgennady]

Two to go

[@drphilsranch6782]

The fact that some people genuinely believe that this is the best season of GoT is absurd.

[@willbeard4835]

Shout out to glidus

[@mikoajryniak2644]

Next coming up: -Season 5 being devoid of logic -Season 1-4 being devoid of logic (and that video takes only a few minutes or none)

[@italianodblaugrana3842]

Its 3 minutes of ramsay being shirtless

[@gfilmer7150]

Stannis trying to kill Gendry outta no where and then just letting him go for some reason.

[@alexking988]

@@gfilmer7150 Davos released him, Stannis was unaware.

[@gfilmer7150]

@@alexking988 Davos told Stannis to his face what he did.

[@alexking988]

@@gfilmer7150 Yes he did, but that was not what Stannis wanted. He was about to have Davos killed for releasing Gendry, before Melisandre told Stannis that he needs Davos. And Stannis didn’t want to kill Gendry out of nowhere, Melisandre made him believe that there is power in his blood.

[@lucasffigueiredo]

Dude the thing with the teleporting sand snakes got me so confused, I assumed that since the marriage was off due to Myrcella’s death, prince Tristane was send back and they, somehow intercepted the boat before it came ashore to avoid conflict, but since his father was dead already and he had no influence in dorne why not just wait to kill him when he arrives? So goddamn confusing…

[@pepsibente489]

Wasn't he sitting there painting the eye stones to put on Myrcella's dead body? In that case he couldn't be on his way back to Dorne anyway. It has to mean he was still on his way to King's landing and Myrcella's funeral.

[@Huntnast]

Man your content is sooo good. I love these brutal breakdowns.

[@ente866]

Videos like this still popping out shows how much we are hurt that the show took a downturn

[@made-line7627]

It's funny. I've seen comments here and there on obscure GOT videos, saying things like "It was such a pop culture phenomenon, and now absolutely no one talks about it anymore". Those people know nothing.

[@leroyrodgers6089]

Remember how great the red wedding episode was? Boy that was long ago.

[@Myaora]

Just one small thing I wanted to mention: Melisandre doing a ritual on Jon is more symbolic. She doesn't know what to do so she does what she thinks she needs to do. It's poorly explained in the episode but it's strangely in fitting with her character in the book.

[@aayaathussain8595]

And the spell/ritual doesn't seem to be working at first but then when she helplessly says "please..." it feels as though her God was like, okay, you didn't do it right, but here you go.

[@johnpatz8395]

The point of them admitting to killing Jon was that they did it, in their view, to save and protect the Night’s Watch, and if you think you acted honorably,you wouldn’t then be dishonorable by hiding your actions. I never understood why they gave a rat’s ass what Davos did with the body, as they knew he was dead and its not like any of them even suspected that he could be brought back to life by the red woman.

[@Levacque]

Yeah, to be honest, that was one of the only enjoyable scenes because there were real character motives on display. Also, that whole scene is a literary reference to Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar." They could have replaced "Night's Watch" with the word "Republic" and it would have been almost identical to Brutus and Cassius addressing the citizens after the murder and trying to convince the populace of their pure intent. It was, in my opinion, the only well-written scene post-season 4. And even then they had to depend on a better writer for inspiration!

[@dimi9964]

my guy been watching glidus videos

[@ismailabushakra5574]

Exactly

[@paulahuerta2981]

I know it doesn't have any relation with Game of Thrones, but I really like that you put Skyrim music in the background.

[@rileydavidson207]

Just going to say it. Your take on John not immediately bleeding to death after being resurrected doesnt make any sense. Beric is nearly cleaved in half by the Hound in their fight but after his resurrection comes back right as rain

[@dnaseb9214]

John changes after resurection. He becomes a simp.

[@kayleeelliott8173]

drove me crazy that Sam forsakes his vows with the Watch and...absolutely nothing comes of it? Especially since he's one of the brothers that talks Jon out of leaving the Watch. Like I get most of the brothers are sleeping with women anyway but not only does Sam say Little Sam is his son...he gets Gilly pregnant and they're just like "neat"

[@Wahba.]

And let's not discuss the ending because that's even more disappointing

[@gercobosch2870]

with the waif, the people in bravos seemed to be scared of Jaqen/the faceless men. when in S5 he randomly showed up by Arya getting harresed and the harrasers run away from his sight. which could be that the people who see the waif beat up a blind helpless girl, they do not help in fear of the many faced god/ the faceless men.

[@trout4522]

Someone watches glidus lmao, good vid tho

[@TheGosslings]

The Star Wars music piped in the background is a subtle touch. I see what you did there. ;)

[@TheValk777]

Tyrions character becomes so insufferable that I literally don’t even like the actor now 😂😂😂

[@nickgennady]

Well the actor did attack fans saying were upset because “the white characters did not get happy ending. It’s a show about dragons, move on.” Completely ignorant of why fans are upset.

[@jeepersjava]

@@nickgennady the fact that he thought it was a show about dragons tells me everything I need to know

[@nickgennady]

​@@jeepersjava Yha. As an entertainer I thought he would know why entertainment is important and why people need it. Also irconcily his character says this "There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story." Humans for thousands of years entertained themselves with stories, fictional or otherwise. Its part of the human psyche and experience.

[@ignatzmeyer1978]

@@nickgennady That's very dissapointing. I thought Dinklage was acknowledging the bad writing, when he did the making of interviews. And to bring up bullshit knockout arguments like "fans are secretly racist" is disgraceful.

[@markusala-turkia3079]

@@ignatzmeyer1978 Would you believe people in Hollywood aren't exactly genuine or in the know about complex issues like race relations.

[@OddOneOut665]

Can't wait until S5 being devoid of logic next! Also, 17:15 That really happened??? I thought Bad Lip Reading was purely joking when he did a Scene like that in his GoT Parody vid!

[@alib8557]

Finally someone who notice that the downfall began in season 6( maybe even 5). Everyone says that this is the best season, but how they didn’t all notice these things?

[@envinyatar5712]

The first 4 seasons were awesome. Then it started to decline slowly. The last two seasons are pathetic.

[@gfilmer7150]

Maybe, Season 5 WAS the beginning of the slow death of the show. That Season too is full of plot holes, character inconsistencies, and contrived moments for the sake for being shocking.

[@Levacque]

@@gfilmer7150 you mean you didn't want to continue watching a sadistic rapist get what he wants for 3 straight seasons? Ugh I can't stand how much agency Ramsay was given. And Cersei too, for that matter. She had far too much control over her own story.

[@gfilmer7150]

@@Levacque They root for their fucking villains

[@Tom-ev4rg]

Many "fans" of GoT are actually fans of their own imaginary writing prowess. Your entertainment is not the shows you watch, but COMPLAINING about the shows you watch.

[@_Pagan]

You want a medal or something?

[@Alec11_43]

With the disaster that was season 8, it kinda started a domino effect where it became more and more apparent to people how truly flawed the second half of seasons were and the extent to which D&D were slowly but surely degrading the show over time, especially since in retrospect it was all leading up to an dissapointing ending; that made it much harder for people to continue caring enough to defend them.

[@Snagprophet]

With the High Sparrow, the fact that people wanted him to tie in with the Starks and the North and the White Walkers in some way, such as a secret Howland Reed, pretty much says it all in terms of audience reception to the character. People were making up reasons why the character exists and why time is being wasted on him.

[@floridian_reptilian]

game of thrones saying c0ck over and over and over again felt like a middle school kid that just started swearing and is now using those words at every moment in an attempt to seem cool and grown up.

[@scolack123]

7:19 Inconspicuous means the giant DOESNT stand out You mean Conspicuous

[@Grimgool]

Another Devoid of logic lets go

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

It would have been more in line with the world if the sand snakes had used Trystane as a puppet through which they could legitimize their grab. But there i go, thinking about it for half a second.

[@SerJaimeLannister9710]

We need collaboration video between you and Glidus

[@brdmann2012]

The hound buried his sword 10 inches deep into Beric Dondarrion's shoulder and he was brought back. Don't see how a few stab wounds would stop Jon from coming back.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

I think the tyrion and varis dialogue degradation is the saddest thing that happened with the show

[@Brandon-tb5st]

Ah, what’s better than making fun of thrones WHILE listening to the score of the Elder Scrolls? Nothing..

[@attackhelicopterjr4481]

The true villains of the show is D&D and their idiotic writing spells

[@joaquinjoaquin3992]

Jon snow being called bastar for x minutes

[@marcinkrz3140]

My favourite part of GOT season 6 is when people destroy important cultural/religious places and then they gain absolute loyalty of everyone who followed this culture/religion Also (stolen from Glidus) the way Theon first meets Brienn is very smiler to how his first encounter with Ramsey went so it's weird that he would trust Brienn blindly seeing how it turned out last time

[@Levacque]

Are you referring to the destruction of the Sept? Because yeah, how the fuck does anybody in King's Landing stop themselves from fully rioting against the Lannisters after that?

[@marcinkrz3140]

@@Levacque Also Danny burning that place where all the dothraki khals were meeting

[@gordonneverdies]

Arya and Brienne were the most annoying characters for me. I knew nothing could ever pierce their plot armor.

[@mtszkrk]

I see someone watched glidus's videos on this seson

[@happycompy]

"I DID."

[@907FreedomFighter]

I watched this video while high and I was laughing non-stop! This is great work man!

[@R3neeXD]

Good video as always! But some of these are faults with the characters, not bad writing per say. First time I find myself not agreeing with you I think. Like Ser Alliser admitting to killing Jon. That's something I at least can see him as a person admitting to. He never hid the fact that he hates Jon Snow's guts, and he's in-your-face honest. And he paid for it with his life in the end, so the writing checks out. People do dumb things sometimes, and there are consequences. Season 1 Ned admitting to knowing Cersei's secret and not having any assurances cost him, and you wouldn't bash the writing. It was a fault with his honorability and underestimating his foes.

[@stopplzs]

Ned didn't know he would be prosecuted for it. Alliser would obviously know the consequences of killing Jon

[@domskillet5744]

The issue is that it is based on a ridiculous premise. Alliser already let the wildlings through the wall. 50 wildlings south of the wall was nearly the end of the night's watch in "The Watchers on the Wall" and now there are thousands. Admitting to killing Jon in front of everyone increases the odds the wildlings find out and come back to kill everybody (which Alliser knows from experience there's no way to stop). It literally makes no sense to kill Jon in the first place after letting the wildlings through, and admitting it only increases the stupidity from there

[@generaljive]

@10:30 at the time there was a theory that Tyrion might be a Targaryen. Felt like this friendliness with the dragons could be an interesting red herring/misdirection or a setup to be paid off at a later point in the series that might reveal an identity for him that was hinted at.