Superhero Editorial Room 2

[@aaritmitra625]

For those who don't know the shit with Doctor Light, he sexually assaulted the wife of Elongated Man as well as many other women. It got the point that some members in the League agreed for Zatanna to use her powers to alter his mind so that he wouldn't be a threat but they accidently lobotomized him instead. So yeah, pretty fucked up stuff

[@Bakuganluver23]

and then he got his memories back and became a serious threat again.

[@detective___mcnulty]

Wtf? The writers got sick minds.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

​@@detective___mcnulty _Identity Crisis_ sucked and basically only served to a) screw over Tim Drake and b) make character assassinate Zatanna, several other League members, *and* the male Dr. Light. This especially since after that story sexual assaulting people is basically *all* Dr. Light talked about and did until The Specter's overpowered yet useless and hypocritical self got around to killing Dr. Light by turning him into a living candle and having him melt...like a hundred+ rapes later.

[@JunniferLuzeytonz]

​@@detective___mcnulty and they are insensitive as hell for that too So lets cancel the writers that ruined the goat doctor light

[@maxacorn]

and then batman saw what they were doing and decided to mind wipe him as well. nasty shit considering zatanna and bruce have been close friends since he was a teen. and a lot of people felt this was why batman became as super paranoid as he was during the years leading up to infinite crisis.

[@kraikein]

I like the implication Gwen Stacey was killed off like a mafia hit by the editors cause she wanted progress in her and Peter's relationship, Green Goblin was the fall guy

[@EvilDoresh]

I'd say they killed two birds with one stone with this one.

[@sollyswolly1623]

*claps applaudingly* @@EvilDoresh

[@jordanloux3883]

Norman: Look I know I'm pure evil and all but... but can we stop with the me and Gwen stuff? Please? Please!

[@wahbegan]

the FALL guy

[@iananderson4754]

Isnt that literally why she was killed off because Stan Lee went on vacation so the guy he left in charge killed Gwen so he could introduce MJ because Gwen wasn't pretty enough to sell comics.

[@wyatt8315]

This is not even a skit, it’s just Solid tearing into the comic book industry for four minutes

[@jackambrose2762]

Word

[@abrahammesrajecorrea2349]

Part of why I partially quitted comic books and rarely do I read them; and when I buy them, it's just one shots or limited series (usually old ones too). The kind of plot twists they have to rely on to print more comics can be ridiculous sometimes

[@zoomy7535]

@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349I stopped after death metal shit was too much 😂

[@TMF979Resurge]

As he should

[@TMF979Resurge]

​@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349I mean dude, just check out the Energon Universe, you'll get more out of Rob Kirkman and Dan Warren Johnson and Josh Williamson taking on Transformers and GI Joe than you'll get out of anything they're currently shitting out of Marvel or DC

[@Crossbones6732]

God, Paul… the only character so despised we actively cheered for two kids being wiped from existence. “Uh, context?” “No.”

[@gundamkaizer6947]

Wait what

[@hulyaterzi8560]

​@@gundamkaizer6947Paul and MJ had two adopted children from the universe Paul came from and those children died when Spider-Man killed Paul's demon father thingie

[@TheAzulmagia]

@@gundamkaizer6947 Marvel decided to introduce a guy named Paul to cuckold Peter. He had two kids with Mary Jane, but they weren't real or something and wound up fading from existence. As if that wasn't bad enough, Peter got possessed by the Green Goblin and tried to kill Paul while going on a rant about how Mary Jane was his property or something, which just further made him look bad even if Mary Jane didn't really hold that against him in the end.

[@noVva555]

​@@TheAzulmagiaThe goblin thing was a Temporal thing..... THEN IT HAPPENED AGAIN... BUT WORSE

[@bridgerhibbert2993]

Oh I thought you were referring to the two kids from Gwoblin...

[@BIGMIKE5858]

Spider man in Movies: sometimes suffers Spider man in comics: downward spiral downward spiral downward spiral downward spiral

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

To the point where 616 Pete decides to don Norman's mantle

[@lordpi8140]

i think peter parker has been on a downward spiral mentally and now he's lost it completely

[@leithaziz2716]

Spider-Man needs a "Batman: The Brave And The Bold" type story to remind people you don't have to be gloomy all the time and still make something worthwhile out of it.

[@Themakerandreverseflash]

Honestly after so many downward spirals I’m surprised it took him this long to snap

[@colmecolwag]

I like to joke that MCU hating spiderman fans who always trashed on him being techy and having a billionaire friend help him out kinda influenced the comic book writers to he "oh, so the fans prefer it when hes struggling, right?"

[@thundercharged1]

Fun fact, the part about the writers making up Hal Jordan's reason for turning evil as they went along is 100% accurate to real life. Because Green Lantern sales were low, they basically shoved aside the previous plans and said "Okay, Hal's evil now, you have 4 issues to explain it, GO."

[@metazoxan2]

What was their reasoning?

[@mistery8363]

@@metazoxan2 Hal's city explodes, green lantern head honchos say there was nothing to be done, Hal goes cuckoo for cocoa puffs and kills every goddamn lantern opposing him from "just talking to them", goes full evil also because of Parallax being imprisoned inside the master battery

[@mehmetylmaz1831]

​@@metazoxan2 his City got destroyed with all people in there, he try recreate all of them with his ring but his ring doesn't have enough power for this so he go rampage to take other green lanterns's rings by killing them, in he absorb power source of All lanterns but he also absorb an emotion monster who turn him more evil and he decided to restart to universe now

[@gearoidoconnell5729]

​@metazoxan2 I think DC Boss for out about Arisia and Hal has to go it was a coven up lol.😂.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Honestly it could be adapted so well. You just have to adapt Hard Travlin' Heroes first, then _intentionally_ write "the conservative space cop becomes a genocidal fascist because of terrorism and an inability to let go of the past", which absolutely works.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

I really hate Marvel editors not wanting Peter Parker married, all so he can be a "relatable" loser.

[@solarfiringtiger4254]

@Iiiiiiiii69iiiiiiiiii yeah but it's a completely new universe

[@LP-ct9nk]

Is it marvel or is it the fans? I could see a world where fans would get bored with spiderman having a happy home, but fighting villains all the time. It also seems like a lot of interesting story arcs for the character arise from the fact that he’s always juggling his need to protect the city with his need to protect his loved ones

[@ValdVincent]

He's not really relatable, that was Ditko Spider man was a the nerdy relatable comic book fan.

[@nothingwrong2293]

​@Iiiiiiiii69iiiiiiiiiithis one is under Avangers editors, not Spider-Man

[@ajtallent4501]

@@LP-ct9nkI mean juggling a functional marriage/family and being a superhero is plenty interesting. Peter struggling to get dates and hold a part time job was charming when he was 15 but the dude is nearly 30 in the comics now, he kinda just comes off as a loser by still dealing with the same issues he did as a teenager

[@capitalism7189]

For anyone wondering about Dr light let’s just in the comics say he and deathstroke/slade tend to like them young.

[@antoinecyr2833]

I’m sorry Deathstroke did WHAT!!??

[@JunniferLuzeytonz]

THEY MADE DEATHSTROKE A PEDOPHILE IN THE COMICS!??! 😭 Also what comic did Dr light and Deathstroke became a pedo in?

[@Blue-jc2td]

@@JunniferLuzeytonz Deathstroke slept with Terra in Teen Titans Judas Contract it's in the animated movies too he's been a pedophile for a hot minute

[@shadowstalker1857]

​@antoinecyr2833 ok let me rephrase that for the rest of us from a scale of 1 to "bleach thine eyes", how bad and how horrible were the writers. Cause it's doctor bright how did he get written. (Started bleaching brain while inhaling copium)

[@odinsrensen7460]

What, she was old enough to have married Elongated Man, so either Ralph likes them young too or you're wrong - or we're talking about different things.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

It's wild to me how the hatred of Paul entered the mainstream. The insane plots that happen in comics usually stay in niche nerd circles. But not Paul. Humanity has united in hating him.

[@Kshandamion]

Like the comic book equivalent of Drake.

[@RED-ew2xt]

who's paul

[@metazoxan2]

Because everyone but the deranged idiots in charge of Spiderman agreed having SPiderman litterally get cucked and demonized by the story was going way too far. We're used to him suffering at this point but ... this was just pure mean spirited. You could tell someone on the staff HATED Spiderman with every fiber of their being and got into Marvel just to destroy Spiderman. THeir entire life was devoted to character assasianting a comic book character.

[@andrewrobinson8542]

I've never read a Spider-Man comic in my life, yet I know who Paul is and why everyone hates him.

[@gearoidoconnell5729]

I think Paul lots easy to say then one more day 2.

[@MagicCardboardBox]

Spider-man writers really fucking hate spider-man

[@harishmohan4478]

Spider-man writers hate Spider-man more than any of his villains do.

[@Del_S]

The first rule of writing for comic books is you have to hate comic books.

[@CMCAdvanced]

Marvel comics writers hate comic books

[@CMCAdvanced]

And so do DC writers, to be fair

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

​@Iiiiiiiii69iiiiiiiiii Rip Tom Spidey and Gwen from the spiderverse movies

[@Vegas242]

"All it says is refrigerator" I'm gonna fucking scream oh my god

[@Joseanzinho-cq7zf]

Context?

[@ComicalCatastrophe]

Explain please

[@chandracraft7736]

@@Joseanzinho-cq7zfKyle’s girlfriend was killed and then stuffed into the fridge for him to find. It’s where the trope comes from

[@gerudoson4963]

@@Joseanzinho-cq7zf Kyle's girlfriend got stuffed in a fridge in one comic, just to mess with kyle. If youve heard the term fridging, thats where it comes from.

[@fleeb198]

I have no clue what this means

[@kevinirmiter3669]

"Don't I ever get to be happy?" "Are you associated with Peter Parker? Then the answer is no."

[@marthancrowl1674]

Weirdly enough, I think the only Spiderman character to get a happy ending is Venom.

[@SpiderwolfHowling]

​@@marthancrowl1674 Nah, they're ruining that with the weird Venom World shit where Eddie apparently assumes like six different identities in a neverending cycle of grief and the Venom symbiote eats the entire Earth in a distant future or something, wholly disregarding all character development trying to beat the "Venom is still totally a bad guy!" horse that's kinda been dead since the 90s.

[@marthancrowl1674]

@@SpiderwolfHowling Damn. So basically the happiest ending any Spiderman character has ever gotten is the kid who died of cancer?

[@scarlightprince]

@@marthancrowl1674 Or the one kid who basically got the hospital staff to make up a battle where he and Peter would face the Sinister 60... and then Pete took him for a swing around New York. So yeah, it's scuffed.

[@skygard49]

This is why he and Deadpool are such great friends. It can't really get worse for Deadpool.

[@ph-1012]

to clarify each of these: One more day (the obvious one which is fully explained in this) a notoriously bad spider man story Mary Jane dating a guy called Paul Hal Jordan becoming Parallax and does a genocide Kyle Rayner's girlfriend was infamously killed off in a really shitty way and her body was shoved in a fridge purely for "character development", it became a trope called fridging to do something similar Dr Light was made from a more generic villain into a full on serial rapist

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Are comic writers okay? "Asking the uncomfortable questions society would rather forget" is a very different thing from "I have legitimate mental issues".

[@zircunious]

and most importantly Dr. Light was made into a generic Teen titans villain after Zatanna and some of the other leaguers wiped his memory of it as well as batman's memory was wiped of it as well. Which of course batman was pissed. So that's why Dr. Light was clueless about what he did.

[@TheVincenzoGaming]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 honestly, this is why we need to bring back asylums

[@leithaziz2716]

@@TheVincenzoGaming You mean the Alsume?

[@gitgud2523]

@@leithaziz2716is he stupid

[@lukerabon7925]

God the Green Lantern bits. They really did just say "Fuck Hal, give all his shit to Kyle. And you know what? Fuck Kyle too"

[@TheAzulmagia]

I wonder if Jon has to put up with this much BS.

[@thewalrus45]

@@TheAzulmagia John got crippled and benched around that time. mandate for years was "KYLE IS THE ONE TRUE ONLY GREEN LANTERN" (Alan got to be exempt since technically his ring is slightly different).

[@alexanderkosten7611]

​@@thewalrus45Even as someone who likes Kyle and dislikes Hal, I agree that the editorial mandates that led to that state of affairs were idiotic. It probably didn't help that while Hal's initial descent into madness was actually comprehensible and decently written (from what I recall), what followed with Parallax, "Extant", Zero Hour, and everything else was... less so. I only disagree with the common consensus of "Hal was character assasinated" because I question if he even had much of a characterization TO assassinate, being arguably the most bland character in his own series before the destruction of Coast City. Still, bringing Hal back (and the subsequent vast expansion of the Lantern mythos to the point of arguably becoming more interesting than the rest of the DC universe combined) was a good decision... that unfortunately opened the floodgates for the substantially less well-executed return of Barry Allen, a character who then became infamous for constant retellings of Flashpoint and stealing plots and relevance from Wally West - because he simply had nothing else to work with from his own era. But Dan DiDio had to satisfy his loathing of sidekicks and "aging the characters"! Funny how that line of "logic" ties into basically all the most poorly-recieved comic developments of the current millennium to date.

[@trickster80]

@@TheAzulmagia John also did a genocide im pretty sure, and he was so guilty about it he tried to kill himself

[@ajtallent4501]

@@thewalrus45don’t worry, DC kinda forgets Alan even exists sometimes even though he was literally the first green lantern

[@looniemoonie5955]

Marvel editors: we need Spider-Man to remain "RELATABLE"!!! So no wife or kids!! Spider-Man: one of the smartest people on Earth, scientist, extremely charismatic, strong, very good-looking, has a lot of connections, lives in one of the most expensive cities on Earth, had more girlfriends than I own socks etc etc Thank you Marvel, can relate, can totally relate

[@WazzpinatorReviews-or1zb]

If a spider man writer sees this, it will a go away one way or another.

[@jvts8916]

Not to mention apparently being crucial enough for both The One Above All and Mephisto to directly intervene

[@_Tzer]

give spiderman kids and marriage and people can relate to those kids.

[@CKER-cl8in]

I rather have fascinating, interesting and believeble characters than relatable ones.

[@gearoidoconnell5729]

I feel like it a lie and more mad that Sony has right for Spider-man movie.

[@TheMrMister]

Guidelines for writing Spider-Man: 1. Suffering builds character 2. Suffering builds character 3. Suffering builds character 4. Suffering builds character 5. Suffering builds character 6. Suffering builds character 7. Suffering builds character 8. Suffering builds character 9. Suffering builds character 10. Suffering builds character …

[@ms.antithesis]

11. Reset character but dont make them happier just make the suffering worth nothign

[@KarazolaX]

Just get Peter together with Black Cat and be done with it, MJ treated him so badly and unfairly, if he went back to her he'd have no backbone.

[@tomservodoctor42]

I thought Calvin's dad was a patent attorney, not a comic book writer.

[@SomeGuyOnThisPlatform]

Marvel hates Spider-Man so much they made a clone of him just to torture said clone even more then the main guy.

[@leithaziz2716]

Ben Riley deserved better. They even turned him into a bad guy later on.

[@huntertezz]

Yeah and whatever happened to Kaine?

[@mr.goblin6039]

They made TWO clones of him, and they torture BOTH of them.

[@hsemicolonc413]

​@@huntertezzGot a pretty charming run after he moved to Houston & then vanished off the face of the Earth. Again.

[@davidvondoom2853]

And they made a spiderverse, so they could torture an infinite amount of Spidermen!

[@NoName-hg6cc]

"Okay, who's next? JASON! My favourite Robin! Let's see what's in for you next...."

[@Nah_Id_Win487]

Jason? Who the hell is- *oh no*

[@scarlightprince]

​@@Nah_Id_Win487 "Anyways, send the next kid in. Well, if it ain't the brainy kid with a lot of heart, Tim Drake!" "Hey chief, so... do I get something?" "A male love interest after... yeah. I mean, you were top dog since the other Robins weren't available. And bad things happening. And the love interest scandal is the same go-to material for comic slander aside from 'I Am Not Starfire', or 'The New Warriors'." "Is there any sense of a silver lining-" "You're bailed out by a webtoon who somehow pulls off the male love interest better than DC and-" (Door slamming, followed by Tim just losing it.) In all seriousness, 'Batman: Wayne Family Adventures' is a good read.

[@Dragonaut72]

Jason: all this card says on it is "crowbar"

[@scarlightprince]

@@Dragonaut72 Damian: All this note has is "Arkham".

[@Comperative-e8b]

​@@scarlightprinceInjustice.

[@KingOfMadCows]

They did kind of retcon Hal Jordan. Instead of him going insane from the grief and trauma of seeing his home city destroyed, they made it so that he was also possessed by a magical yellow psychic parasite who was the embodiment of the concept of fear in the entire universe.

[@eyeaid9817]

Thank you, I thought that was gonna be the punchline, like "a bug made you do it".

[@BrianFlyingPenguin]

Should just have blamed Lord Malvolio.

[@wr5488]

I think it’s been rereretconned to Hal overpowering Parallax with his will (as in Parallax was never fully in charge) but Hal mentally wasn’t the same. We see Parallax Hal from Zero Hour a few more times and he never seems Parallax-y. Always fully in control (despite being insane). He even hints that he’s well aware of Parallax in him. He was in Green Arrow recently but I haven’t read that, last I saw him he was in the main universe (along with current Hal! There’s two Hals) hunting down Sinestro Corps members… who I think are more anti-heroes at this point so idk

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@wr5488what?? How does that even work? What's the point of paralax possessing Hal if he's still presumably responsible for his actions?

[@Alderan3344]

​@@wr5488wait wtf. how is there 2 hals?

[@ivanbluecool]

Real reason they gave miles and gwen some will they won't they scenes in the spider verse movies. So they can sneak in peter actually being happy and marrying jane while nobody is paying attention

[@aidangordon2713]

For all of Sony's many, *many* sins, at least they seem to want Peter and MJ to be happy. Shit, there may even be a playable wedding in Spidey 3 at this rate!

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@aidangordon2713 Peter is still white. Don't count on him being happy in Insomniac's dogshit game.

[@jotarokujo6440]

What

[@MarvinPowell1]

​@@aidangordon2713 Peter is still white. So don't expect Insomniac to give him a happy ending after "I just saved the city from all these dangerous people, now I'm going to selfishly retire and be a simp to Mary Sue Watson."

[@arcythecube]

"will they won't they" what

[@goldencascade5710]

As soon as Dr. Light appeared I already knew even more chaos would spew. Surprised the agent didn't call Zatanna in to fix things.

[@jayjay86443]

Zatanna already did enough, Dr Light doesn't remember what he did, and is simply befuddled why Comic Editor hates him so much right now.

[@The25thY0RU]

Yeah that doctor light part really backfired for the writers because since that "incident" no other writers wanted to touch the character without a six inch stick. They may as well killed him off after the "incident."

[@leviticusprime4904]

Why do comic writes do this? Is it purely for shock value, or some weried barley disguised fetish.

[@sinistralhydra]

That's why they had to replace him with a new character.

[@mediatorraptor3349]

That kinda happen with Hank Pym after the slap scene. The writers dont want use him that much.

[@randomvids1231000]

​@leviticusprime4904 While this is just my take and opinion on, I think this is why they did what they did with his character. The writers who were putting him into the comic thought they could add some form of realism into this already villainous character. If someone had the same powers as Dr. Light, and they were willing to push the bounderies of what they could get away with, this would probably have been the result. What backfired, however, was that they did not expect the sort of backlash they would receive by writing him in this sort of light (pun unintentional). So now they are afraid to bring him back because of the backlash that was received, when they could try to retcon some bullshit and remove that certain trait.

[@Bakuganluver23]

@@randomvids1231000 hasn't Light been used in the newer comics? he's essentially a light ghost, with Kimiyo Hoshi being the heroic version.

[@Hatster985]

the fact that One More Day is still cannon makes me angry.

[@Claude203]

I'm still hoping it gets retconned.

[@victoramaral3453]

Well the good thing that gwen and Norman thing got a retcon

[@mttylerdurden9]

​@@Claude203Nick Spencer tried. But the higher ups wouldn't let him

[@vincereterram8150]

​@capitannerevar7792Cannon

[@DinoLoverGaming]

@@vincereterram8150 a cannon is a weapon, headass

[@vullord666]

1:18 I love this because originally writers killed Gwen off for being the boring "just Peter's girlfriend" and everyone loved MJ because of how she felt like her own character and refreshing. Cut to today and Gwen has had SO many glowups and unique story beats (literally across dimensions). Gwen has found so much success in so many unique iterations. Meanwhile MJ has become nothing more than Marvel Editorial plot device to keep Peter at the same status quo. She and Peter are lucky to get else world story where the focus is on their daughter. Gwen ironically dodged a bullet dying. At least we have the new ultimate universe.

[@DarsiPadilla]

What the fuck?

[@Kshandamion]

Irony is, Gwen was originally intended to be the iconic girlfriend, but even Stan Lee admitted MJ was more interesting, Gwen dying was considered a big deal at the time because it not only stuck, but it also *developed* Peter's character to accept it, (what writers since fail to get so fridging women is just for shock value and maybe making way for a new love interest,)... ...But then Gwen was *only* known for being the dead girlfriend for so long that her actual character was forgotten until Emma Stone's portrayal and the AU version in the comics made her relevant and more interesting than ever. Now Gwen is the new MJ and the only thing the comic book writers do with (616) MJ is play keep away from Peter because they have no other ideas than that and making him miserable.

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@Kshandamion I hope the editors who make Peter Parker miserable and his stories face their comeuppance.

[@JaviBovi]

the ultimate universe is like 20 years old now 😅 20 years before the ultimate universe being released was when spiderman put on the black suit for the first time ever

[@ggt47]

Always hated that term *glowup*. .

[@paytonjones432]

"You're going to be rich" "Do I draw a pentagram on the wall or do you have a number I can call."😂😂😂

[@ronaldshelby]

The funny thing is that for 3/5 of that year "Peter" does not even get to use any of it. Also a good chunk gets taken due to a lawsuit. Spiderman stays losing

[@bubbles784]

@@ronaldshelby It also reminds me of that time Peter was called out for plagiarising Doc Ock in order to get his doctorate. And this was due to Doc Ock being (I'm pretty sure the word is ) insulted that Peter never got a doctorate because while in Peter's body, nobody called him Dr. Parker. (Could be misremembering some details.)

[@LocalSlasher]

​@@bubbles784The word is 'insinuated'

[@d_3634]

​@@LocalSlasher No the word is insulted. Otta was a doctor, so the idea that he isn't referred to as such anymore bothered him and he found it insulting that someone of his intelligence got get the disrespect of being referred to as just Mr.

[@LocalSlasher]

@@d_3634 Oops. Misread

[@hagos9939]

“Your not the first to start asking questions” as he pulls out a picture of Gwen is depressing bro Spider-Man Blue really hammers home how sad that death was for Peter.

[@GermanFFreddy]

For those who dont know, Kyle's green lantern, the reason he had a card with "refrigerator" on it was because one time he got home and found his girlfriend chopped up and stuffed in the fridge in his apartment. And in the DC Skribblenauts game, if you place a fridge next to him, he will run away in fear, AND if you put Joker next to Red Hood (Jason), instead of using his typicql joker toxin, he will pull out a crowbar.

[@JustDevon1]

WTF Skribblenauts you’re supposed to be a fun learning game for kids!!!!

[@MustafaIbrahim-rk6dj]

​​@@JustDevon1come one now, we both know that was never true=)

[@hellatze]

@@JustDevon1 kids like edgy game theese days

[@Bredstikc]

@@JustDevon1It doesn't put his dead girlfriend in the fridge, he's just scared of fridges.

[@LGDVisuals]

3:00 so for those asking Doctor Light is A Serial Rap**t. A victim of his was elongated man’s wife. He admitted to having more victims. This was all revealed in the short series “Identity Crisis” released in 2004. His memory was reset /altered by zatanna

[@Ultimatum0000]

My all-time favorite DC story

[@kharijordan6426]

He was on the cartoon show.... understand why he got tentacled by Raven now tho.

[@thunderchief7256]

@@Ultimatum0000 Because it showed a p3d0 getting exposed, right?

[@tonywilliams6294]

Don't forget, when Elongated Man tried to demand retribution, the *Justice League* mindwiped him and his wife.

[@Comperative-e8b]

​@@Ultimatum0000So you like shit?Your name should be ultimatum shit.

[@jonjonvids]

Why has no one realized the best comic runs are when the characters' lives move on?

[@antoinecyr2833]

Because moooooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy. That is sadly the only reason why we can’t have permanent happy ending. And eventually the greed will destroy the characters bit by bit due to dumb narrative decision in hope of prolongating more and more the character story.

[@Vegas242]

Because change scary

[@mttylerdurden9]

Because a lot of fans might like it, but then a lot of fans will throw a fit

[@Shadriand]

Well, because it isn't. Comics simply wouldn't be interesting if it everything were happy-go-lucky. In most universes, Spider-Man is living happily but they don't make for great stories if it were just "Spider-man beats the rhino for the three thousandth time!".

[@Octopugilist]

Why do you think people read Manga? Because it eventually ends. Hero beats the bad guy, marries his girlfriend he's had nothing but hostile chemistry with, and trains a successor. Unless it's Berserk. Manga Spider-Man would never get over Gwen's death, stop being Peter Parker, watch MJ and Harry's wedding from a safe distance, brutally defeat and befriend the Sinister Six, permanently bond with the Symbiote, and die fighting Goblin in the collapsing ruins of the Empire State Building.

[@369destroyer]

For a part 3, Cyclops deserves a spotlight. It doesnt matter which story he has had his character assassinated in so many ways.

[@leithaziz2716]

Weirdly enough, there was a time where the writers intentionally tried to character assassinate Cyclops by making him the bad guy. But the ludicrous ways they tried to end the comic led to him seeming reasonable and general audiences siding with Cyclops, leading to the "Cyclops was right" meme to be a thing for a bit.

[@369destroyer]

@@leithaziz2716 Now I am imagining him bragging about that XD "I FINALLY GOT A WIN!"

[@Gabe600]

​@@leithaziz2716it was his revolutionary phase afther Avengers vs X-Men, to this days many X-Men fans think that was his best phase

[@Kshandamion]

All Claremont wanted for poor Scott was to just move on from Jean's death, marry a woman who only *coincidentally* looked like Jean, (even clocked him for questioning said coincidence as Claremont's statement of such an idea,) start a family in Alaska and be a reserve member if need be. But nooooo, couldn't leave well enough alone, hence establishing how utterly and needlessly messy Cyclops's love life and Madelyn Pryor's entire existence is for decades to come. Even "'97" was like, "Nope, we're not gonna repeat *those* mistakes."

[@superstarultra28]

He should mention the issue where Scott killed Professor X.

[@dazzlethestar151]

"All it says on it is refrigerator." Oh god KYLE NO-

[@xenogorwraithblade2538]

I died laughing when he said that.

[@zacglover3345]

They better pay for his therapy

[@KingZolomon]

What does it mean I’m not comic savvy

[@dazzlethestar151]

@@KingZolomon Kyle's girlfriend was killed and her body was stuffed into a fridge...

[@liamerolduffy7738]

@@dazzlethestar151Despite all the gay characters being resurrected, she hasn’t been brought back.

[@fallenangelcrimson]

“i got the devil in me it’s a cloud it’s sadness it’s a cloud” -porno for pyros

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

But is it fire?

[@fallenangelcrimson]

@@youtubestudiosucks978 “then i find compassion and i find it vanishes these thoughts i have they seem to pass me by like a cloud”

[@Coco-hq6ns]

*kazotsy kick*

[@theliveing]

What?

[@Skeletons_Riding_Ostriches]

You should do a skit on the glorious Lord Death Man. He's a Batman villain who wears a halloween skeleton suit and mask and he's really good at faking his death. There's a panel of him where Batman tries to wrestle a gun away from him and it looks amazingly silly. Also he canonically knows the name of every single Pokémon.

[@cameron7374]

Every single Pokemon when? Cause knowing every single Pokemon in like... 2002 is a lot easier than knowing every single Pokemon now.

[@placeholderdoe]

@@cameron7374he seems like a guy who would update his knowledge

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

Spider-Man can never catch a break because suffering is a cannon event.

[@SalamanderCommander1805]

Suffering is the only event

[@guacamoleman3253]

"you getting mugged is canon event peter"

[@godzillabebravethetrexretu1381]

Everyone suffers even superheroes

[@ChibiM11]

Oh, that Parker luck

[@captainsealed]

I don't think Marvel has used an actual cannon to torture Peter, yet. Yet.

[@lightspaceman5064]

I’m a real sucker for treating characters like actors reacting to their stories. It’s always gold.

[@AwesomeGamer-om4hm]

Honestly, I can imagine a future part having SV Miles challenging the editorial as he's the Spider-Man who's practically against canon events and also helped another Peter mend his relationship with MJ. Bonus points if his appearance directly contrasts the usual "60s superhero cartoons" style to reference how Spiderverse movies mix the artstyles as well as his status of being an anomaly.

[@Quackervoltz]

That would actually slap

[@AwesomeGamer-om4hm]

​@@QuackervoltzOn this, I'm kinda wondering which kind of style would SV Miles take in this hypothetical part as 3D styles allow characters to stay in their original self (ie Spot remaining 3D in the LEGO universe and Tom Hardy Venom's world as well as both the '67 and Spectacular Spider-Men staying 2D) while a 2D space forces characters to change artstyle (ie Miguel adapting the '67 artstyle upon jumping into the show).

[@BR-jw7pm]

You just described all the reasons my friend hates “One More Day” 😂

[@gtdc4685]

Why everyone hates One More Day

[@dziewiaty]

What a shit story that could be easily fixed by making MJ take the bullet instead.

[@SearedBooks]

​@@gtdc4685 Because for some reason Peter is willing to give up his marriage and unborn child for his 170 year old aunt.

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

Out of all the people that could've helped him, he chose the devil

[@dziewiaty]

@@magdalenomartinezjr8805 I mean he did ask everyone he could and got no help, which is even worse because Dr Doom would help Aunt May and make her immortal just to spite Mephisto.

[@coreylineberry8557]

That's a reasonable reaction to what Dr. Light did. It's... Genuinely revolting.

[@Aesir_Odin]

What did he do?

[@maruwatchesyou8281]

Which is?

[@trinity_frost]

As someone who has no idea who dr light is, what did he do?

[@ComicalCatastrophe]

What did he do please tell

[@coreylineberry8557]

OK. Going to go ahead and put a trigger warning here: In the event Identity Crisis, Dr. Light is revealed to have raped the wife of the Elongated Man, Sue Dibny. He was then essentially given a magical lobotomy by the Justice League.

[@donbasuradenuevo]

Western comics in a nutshell. Reuse, recycle, repeat, retcon the same characters over and over and over again. Then multiverses and time travel.

[@mttylerdurden9]

"Marvel and DC in a nutshell" there i fixed it for you

[@Gabe600]

​@@mttylerdurden9that's much better

[@leviticusprime4904]

And people wonder why manga and webcomics are selling better?

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@Gabe600The Invincible comic is better than any modern dc or marvel comics from the last few years.

[@piotrd7355]

@@leviticusprime4904 The Invicible is 20 years old, twenty years ago DC published, for example, "Lucifer", a much better comic book.

[@timechanger6679]

For anyone wondering, let’s just say Dr Light fingered A minor, and it was not a guitar 😅 Edit: the comments corrected me he was a grapist(remove the G) not Drake my bad guys

[@Joseanzinho-cq7zf]

Drake:

[@ComicalCatastrophe]

Ahh

[@PALACIO254]

Wait he did that on the cartoon network show?

[@orsonzedd]

​@@PALACIO254no no in the comics

[@miguelatkinson]

No I presume in the comments

[@bluegatito8684]

''Who's Paul?'' ''We still don't know'' Accurate as hell.

[@Deathmare235]

He’s gonna be the new shou tucker, just some random guy who did a really fucked up thing and now everyone is gonna remember him

[@HoV326]

Made me think of that one Scooby-Doo skit where Fred is like, "Who's Paul?!"

[@JBTriple8]

Paul Atreides?

[@matthewallen2273]

No one wants to talk about Paul.

[@AK-qh6lr]

My head canon is that it's Mephisto just wanting to continually fuck with Peter

[@radicalpasta7040]

Kyle getting "refrigerator" made me cackle like a maniac. This video is so funny for comic nerds who get the references.

[@hugzar9797]

PAUUUL, NOT YOU AGAIN

[@WL-bs4nc]

“DAMN YOU, PAUUUUUUL!!”

[@leithaziz2716]

DINKLEBEEEEEEEERG!! ...Oh wait.

[@lifegame9542]

"PAUL!!! WHEN I CATCH YOU PAUL!!!!!!"

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Does this guy even have a last name??

[@mikemorro140]

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 yeah it's part of a later story, he's the son of a villain from the the late 2000s named Rabin.

[@zachbyrd5968]

The moral of the story here is DON'T google Dr. Lights crimes.

[@UJEvans]

....too late.... But also he became a member of the Justice League??

[@thundercharged1]

​@@UJEvans Different person. That was an alternate good female version of Dr. Light who was originally from another universe. No, really.

[@UJEvans]

@@thundercharged1 oh. Okay. I just saw online that New 52 put Dr Light on JLA

[@matthewallen2273]

What the hell did he do????

[@pedrorosa9893]

@@matthewallen2273rape

[@OckhamAsylum]

I still don't know why Dr light had to become a serial rapist. Just like 0 to 100 in a second flat. Funny little "haha, I shoot laser beams and rob banks!" man to full on "The Hills Have Eyes."

[@Nah_Id_Win487]

Imagine a kid watching Teen Titans Go, wondering who the funny light man is, googling him and just finding R A P I S T

[@goat-emperorbigs7392]

@@Nah_Id_Win487 I did this when I was younger

[@DemonicRemption]

@@Nah_Id_Win487 And how do you think those of us who were introduced to Dr. Light through the 2003 cartoon felt?

[@Nah_Id_Win487]

@@DemonicRemption Absolutely horrid I must imagine. I still have no idea why DC would do THAT to a character from the kids shows.

[@DemonicRemption]

@@Nah_Id_Win487 Actually he debuted in Justice League of America #12 in 1962. It's just that many of us Millennials and younger were first introduced to Dr. Light through the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon or Teen Titans Go!. I found out about what Dr. Light did through a review of Identity Crisis which had me like:"HE DID WHAT TO ELONGATED MAN'S WIFE? DC WTF Y'ALL?!😨"

[@j.r.milton1273]

You should do a superhero editorial room for all the Robin's. There's so much stuff to unpack there. Dick getting r***d and the whole "Ric" thing. Jason literally being murdered. Tim constantly getting sidelined by writers. Damien just being Damien.

[@huntertezz]

Damian, murdered 5 times, forced to watch Alfred die.

[@wr5488]

Woah 5 times? What are they all? I just know Batman Inc. arc death.

[@KnightofChaosDeck]

What is with comic books and rape? There's more rape here than in Arthurian Myth!

[@leithaziz2716]

I blame Frank Miller going insane during the DKR run for what happened with Dick. Tim Drake I don't feel anyone really knows what to do with. Which isn't helped by the fact there are FOUR DIFFERENT ROBINS. And that doesn't include Batman's temporary sidekicks like Cassandra Caine or Spoiler. Batman's one of my favorite fictional heroes ever, but he also suffers from bloat due to writers.

[@huntertezz]

@@wr5488 Killed by Heretic, killed trying to stop the villain in solo series, killed himself in Teen Titans to help a teammate, heart ripped by Flatline, neck snapped by Connor Hawk. Last two are in second solo series.

[@raphsere]

The plot of One More Day is that Aunt May dies, and Spidey is so sad that he tries to go back in time to save her. When that fails Mephisto, who's like an actual demon from Hell, appears to him and says he will bring Aunt May back, and all in exchange for some reason breaking up his marriage with Mary Jane, so their daughter would never exist and never become the superhero Spidergirl who would have been Mephisto's arch-nemesis in the future. This sounds insane, but that's pretty much what happens.

[@369destroyer]

....Now I want to see a comic where Mayday Parker goes to hell to beat up Mephisto XD

[@leithaziz2716]

He pretty much "sells his soul to the devil"

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

If only he said even Reed Richards couldn't save his aunt while trying to persuade Dr. Doom. The guy would've fought Mephisto and given her eternal youth while he was at it.

[@YouthRightsRadical]

Peter also goes to Doctor Strange, who teleports him to every major genius and other likely candidate to ask for help saving Aunt May. As it turns out, the combined efforts of Reed Richards, Doctor Strange, Elixir, and Anti-Venom among others are not up to the task of fixing a bullet wound. Then God shows up to talk to Peter and refuses to help before telling him to get his lazy ass back to work being Spider-Man. Then he makes his deal with Mephisto.

[@AznOmega]

​@@YouthRightsRadicalyeah, a bullet wound. Not a magical one, but one that most of the Marvel doctors can fix in their sleep. There was a fic that does have Doctor Doom find out and decide to help Spidey to show his superiority towards Mephisto and Reed Richards, but again, canonically Spider-Man sells his marriage to save Aunt May (who is okay with being dead) from a non-magical bullet wound that none of the doctors can fix.

[@ffjj3964]

Spider-Man: “One More Day” Green Lantern: “Emerald Twilight” Doctor Light: “Identity Crisis” God I love/hate comics.

[@d1fferen7]

"The first time wasn't real." From now on, I'll use that as an excuse. Thank you.

[@wolf_7129]

I love how in the first part the editor is shocked for the heroes are gonna go through/their actions and now he's like "Oh yeah you're not getting a happily ever after. Sorry champ."

[@phoenyxtaylor5750]

He's entered his third week he's starting to get desensitized

[@mckenziemcquarry9209]

I don’t really read comic books but it’s funny through cultural osmosis of the internet I saw Doctor Light and a voice in my head was immediately “Yeah you know what he did.”

[@ggkk8909]

I wouldn't be surprised if Spider-man and Green Lantern end up becoming friends because of how often they get screwed over by the writers.

[@Deathmare235]

At least they get written, wtf has happened to dick

[@davida7808]

They did

[@phoenyxtaylor5750]

"Peter, I thought you didn't smoke?" "You should see the lineup they've got me going through, Hal. It can't get worse than this." "It might seem crazy what I'm bout to say."

[@hansoharrigen6958]

I actually want to see a video about this now

[@hansoharrigen6958]

Althought to be fair, Kyle gets screwed up by writters more than Hal. Like, Spiderman Levels of screwed up

[@greyknight8]

When Dr. Light was the last character on the vid, I thought, “Oh God! They’re going to reference him!”

[@TotalTech2.]

Dr. Light was such a goof ball on Teen Titans

[@greyknight8]

@@TotalTech2. Yeah, but not in the comics.

[@TotalTech2.]

@@greyknight8 I saw him in a few comics back in the early 90's. He was pretty goofy for the most part

[@MultiBoxingKid]

@@greyknight8I mean, from what I understood, he kinda was a silly villain. Then the rape thing happens and he became just became that.

[@sinistralhydra]

​@Anissa-ViltrumiteYou would be. 🤨

[@F1Krazy]

I never thought that just the word "refrigerator" would leave me howling like a lunatic but here we are

[@kotacarter3386]

“Come on man, I’m Dr. Light……..I do light man!”

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

*meanwhile, identity crisis and the comics written after it*

[@TotalTech2.]

What did Dr. Light do that was so bad. Kill someone?

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@TotalTech2. It rhymes with grape.

[@randomdeinternet3582]

​@@TotalTech2. He gRaped a minor, the wife of elongated man and it seems that a lot of other women too, and i'm not sure if this is right but it seems he slept with many woman cosplaying the female teammates of the teen titans, and if it was when they were actual teenagers......well, no wonder they literally lobotomized him so he would stop

[@TotalTech2.]

@@AmericanBrit9834 oh. *OH*

[@TheMC1102]

For those who don't know, Doctor Light and Anissa from Invincible did pretty much the same thing.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Grapes?

[@hagos9939]

@@MarvinPowell1 yes

[@Octopugilist]

Doctor Light was way worse. Anissa didn't take no for an answer Light snuck onto the Watchtower, ran into Sue Dibny on accident and thought "no one can hear you in space." He also deduced several secret identities and mentioned that Flash wears a wedding ring under his gloves. Mind you, for decades prior to this Doctor Light was as big a threat as Doofenschmirtz or Shocker

[@HMNCLunar]

​@@Octopugilist*SHOCKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRR!*

[@Nobody1707]

@@Octopugilist And even less so afterwords because Zatana broke his mind and turned him into an even bigger joke than he was before the incident.

[@zanderwoods5434]

To be fair, the new Ultimate Spider-Man run has Pete and MJ together again. Like, together together. Married with children together. Supporting each other in their major job decisions together. It's a breath of fresh air.

[@Hartzilla2007]

And probably led to at least some people concluding that a Uncle Ben JJ bromance was something they never knew they wanted.

[@scarlightprince]

First off, it's Uncle Ben, and we're glad he's still kicking. Second, he's the one making sure Pete doesn't lose it, so he could respect Ben's character.

[@HazyBlackest]

Mind blowing fact: You can have a relatable/likable character without making him a loser and having him go through one tragedy after another. The trick is to be a competent writer. Something Marvel clearly lack.

[@themuffinmanofficial]

HE ACTUALLY MADE IT HOLY SHIT THAT ONE COMMENT PROPHECISED IT

[@ThePsych123]

Lol I remember being sad thinking there's no way a line as great as "Hey Kyle, is your refrigerator running" can be in this video, and then it happened 😂

[@Mobius14]

what prophesy?

[@talk2myself315]

I would love a Golden Age edition of this, revolving around sidekicks they gave to heroes: - Percival Pop, the (Incompetent) Super-Cop who was the Spectre's sidekick and pretty much took over his series - Sparky/Spunky (whose real name was Sparkington Northrup), the Blue Beetle's sidekick who was "extra-British" when he first appeared - Ally Babble, the talkative black guy who hung around with Batman for a couple of stories - Fat Alfred - Steamboat, Captain Marvel's Blackface sidekick - Fatman, Mr. America's sidekick, and Gargantua Potts, Mr. America's other sidekick (also a Blackface caricature) - Thorndyke, Hourman's (very strange looking) sidekick. He was actually the last of multiple sidekicks they tried giving Hourman - Winky, Blinky and Noddy, the "Three Dimwits" who hung out with the Jay Garrick Flash and even got their own series - Wing, the Crimson Avenger's incredibly racist Chinese sidekick - Sir Butch, the Shining Knight's back alley sidekick who just abruptly appeared without explanation and whose presence wasn't explained for many months. - Stretch Skinner, the country bumpkin PI who pretty much took over Wildcat's series for a few years - Buddy, Uncle Sam's sidekick. He was an orphan boy who was sometimes shown sharing a bed with Uncle Sam - Chop Chop, the other incredibly racist Chinese sidekick to the Blackhawks - Ebony White, the Spirit's Blackface sidekick - The Boy Commandos, a group of child soldiers trained by Rip Carter and then taken to fight in WWII (actually a super successful series) - The Little Wise Guys, a group of street-smart kids who eventually completely took over the Golden Age Daredevil's series. One of them was even killed. His name was Meatball. - Peachy Pet, the little brat who served as a comic relief supporting sidekick for Johnny Thunder, who was already a humorous superhero. She was replaced with the Black Canary, who quickly took over the series. Quite an upgrade. Some might bring up Woozy Winks, Doiby Dickles, Etta Candy, Sandy the Golden Boy, Stuff the Chinatown Kid (who wasn't anywhere nearly as racist as Wing or Chop Chop), Uncle Marvel, Toro, Pinky the Whiz Kid, Hooty the Owl or Static the Parrot, but I actually like all of them lol Even Pinky, despite the name. I know this was a lot and most of these wouldn't interest anybody, but if you ever wanted to do something about Golden Editing or sidekicks in general, there's a lot of material there.

[@captaincritter6173]

Poor Spider-Man his true enemy is not even the villains he face. It’s (possibly) the writers, editors hell even Kevin Feige himself. (I mean the 616 version, not the other ones, they have their own problems 😂)

[@mttylerdurden9]

No it's the editors.

[@creativerealms]

I don't blame the writers I blame the ones telling the writers what to do. Something tells me if the writers had their way he would still be married.

[@mttylerdurden9]

@@creativerealms J Michael Stacynzki (writer for Spider-Man at the time) really liked writing them as a married couple. When he was told by Joe Quesada (editor in chief of marvel at the time) that they were getting rid of the marriage, he was annoyed. Nick Spencer was planning on retconing One more day, until the higher ups vetoed that plan.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

616 is the comic universe 199999 is the MCU

[@captaincritter6173]

Huh very interesting, well regardless they’re all to blame here. To be fair of what I’ve heard and read so far about Zeb Wells he could’ve done a little bit better, especially how Peter is currently behaving and treated. But it is what it is.

[@joshuaolsoncook]

Dr. Light: I haven’t done anything yet. Squidward: But you will. YOU WILLLLLLLL!

[@themidnight8132]

Funny considering they share the same actor.😂

[@joshuaolsoncook]

@@themidnight8132 He’s also Professor Membrane (Invader Zim). 😹 “I know BETTER now…”

[@MultiBoxingKid]

If I understand the story, he already did it. The League just messed with him and made him a joke until he remembers again.

[@cesarvictoriano8072]

“My god…” “Yeah he wasn’t any help.” Solid JJ got me with that swipe at The One Above All I had to watch this several times to catch that joke. 😂

[@matthewwasson2906]

"OH MY GOD!" "Yeah he wasn't much help" Super funny line 😂😂😂

[@antonhanna2423]

If anybody needs *even further* context, the Marvel Comics version of God literally told him that if he made Peter's life easier, even if by a smidgen (can't believe I actually used that word), every single person that Peter has ever saved/potentially will save, is going to die for the sake of balancing the universe. Keep in mind, this is the same mainstream universe where half the time you don't even need to sacrifice anything to bring somebody back from the dead (unless you count dignity & integrity, in which case that shit's selling like hot cakes).

[@liamerolduffy7738]

@@antonhanna2423It should just be revealed that Marvel’s god is just a lying lazy sack of shit (and a representation of marvel editors and edgy talentless writers) who causes trouble so he absorbs energy or power or whatever from the heroes. Then it leads to an event where the bastard gets killed off for real and marvel is taken over by actual good writers and no more editors.

[@CalvinLee606]

⁠​⁠@@antonhanna2423 Why would one person’s happiness throw the universe so out of whack that you have to kill thousands? Surely the Marvel Universe isn’t that fragile right? So this implies that God himself goes out of his way to make Peter miserable. Even ignoring all the obvious theological implications there, that makes no sense. You’re literally God! You MAKE the rules! Why not balance the universe yourself? And why does peter matter this much? He’s just one guy. The more I think about this, the worse it gets. What were the writers thinking?

[@antonhanna2423]

@@CalvinLee606 To answer your last question, I have to ask myself the same question whenever Marvel does that thing where the only way *any* of their characters can get a new comic (yes, even the popular ones), is if they have a movie/tv series that they're a character in. Otherwise, they're stuck in comic book purgatory.

[@UnrealMisterD]

@@CalvinLee606 So, according to the time the Fantastic Four literally met The One-Above-All (Marvels big G God), he is literally Jack Kirby. Take from that what you will.

[@mr.l8723]

LATER…. “Ah Dr. Reed Richards of Earth-1610! Great to meet ya, sport!” “Thanks! It’s so amazing to be a part of the Ultimate Universe! Spider-Man is getting so much praise! I would really like that same kind of fun with the Fantastic Four!” “Alright great! Let’s see what we got here for….yeah, you’re a villain now.” “What?” “Yeah, you’re a villain now, like…..full on….murdering psychopath villain. You’re evil now.” “How am I evil!?! I’m Mr. Fantastic! The nicest character in Marvel!” “Well you see the future and it freaks you out so you murder everyone you see, you torture people, you try to fix everything. You murder your family.” “EXCUSE ME!?!” “Yeah, and by the way, your name is Maker now.” “What kind of name is that!?!” “Cause you make stuff…..to kill. To kill people….also Sue hooks up with Ben.” “WHAT THE LITERAL FUCK!?! I JUST CAME HERE ASKING FOR SOME FUN STORIES AND YOU DO THIS TO ME!?!” “Hey, it’s not like Spider-Man gets all the praise. I mean he literally dies but then he comes back.” “So…..I must realize the error of my ways, right?” “No, this is permanent. You are irredeemable. You’re actually one of the reasons why we need to start fresh so you make a whole new universe.” “Oh well that sounds like typical FF stuff.” “By murdering people to prevent superheroes from existing.” “WHAT!?! NO! NO NO NO NO NO! I’M NOT DOING THAT! I QUIT!” “Too late, wheels are in emotion. You dissect Iron Man’s brain too.” “WHAT!?!”

[@Kshandamion]

"And your Council of Reeds?" "Yeah, a whole multiverse of me! They wouldn't let me get away with all that, right?!" "Yeah... No. They now act as backups to come into whatever universe you're in to bail your ass out. You could literally be locked up in a prison specifically designed to imprison you, but one psychic call, boop-boop-boop, and another you will break you out. Honestly, you'd give that clown guy in the other place a run for his stolen money when it comes to immunity." "BUT!" "Comes with being Hickman's pet. *You* become a Villain Sue while that Brazilian guy with the solar powers, the one we keep forgetting what he looks like, gets dumber."

[@jackson3475]

Welp, he did get done dirty *_just like Spider-Man_*

[@iveyyewitt1621]

I can't believe that I used to think that the Clone Saga was the worst thing writers could inflict on Pete & MJ.

[@Kshandamion]

Even then at least that was during the era of "special covers" and the writers admitting they were forced to drag the story on longer than it should. Modern writers have no excuse.

[@chrispilcher2024]

at least we got Ben Reilly out of it, so there's a silver lining,

[@christopherauzenne5023]

Spiderman Renew your vows: has peter married to mj and is raising a daughter. is universally beloved by everyone. the new Ultimate Spiderman series: has peter married to MJ with kids and is being universally praised by fans. marvel with 616: am I out of touch and not getting this is what people want for peter? NO, NO, it's the fans who are wrong.

[@grimshock6983]

Spider Man writers have difficulty writing if he’s happy… No I’m serious. That actually is why

[@orphanobliterater7027]

Yea, because most of them don't have stable marriages themselves and want Spidey to reflect that. JMS and Nick Spencer wrote prime PeterMJ comics, with Nick Spencers end goal for his run being to return the marriage. Marvels most famous What-If scenario was 'What-If Mayday Parker lived' which spawned the whole MC2 universe. Currently Ultimate Spider-Man(6160) outsells ASM every month, consistently being top5. RYV was also a successful AU story with it's only real fault being the time skip done to ensure a satisfactory end because it was about to be canceled. The marriage was never the problem, the writers and their editors made it seem like it was.

[@azozazoz9196]

The fact i'm being a longtime comic book fan and understanding these references, it makes me both happy and sickening at the same time.

[@maverickdarkrath4780]

Spider man needs his own version of the dead pool comic where he kills his writers

[@Firebird-he3sz]

“Spiderman Kills the Marvel Universe” I’d read it.

[@Fatboyftw32]

Not his writers, his editors.

[@hulyaterzi8560]

But for that to happen he needs to get mad and for that to happen his whole bloodline gets killed

[@robertrowley4929]

That would make his payback feel much more cathartic. Not just for him, but for us the readers.

[@Mcowboy2142]

Oh god, i deeply require brain bleach to forget about the “Dr Light Incident”

[@cristroye7165]

Wuts dat?

[@valon5069]

@@cristroye7165 serial rapist

[@datguyjg3364]

​@@cristroye7165DC Identity Crisis ​Issue 2.

[@johntorres9551]

yea what

[@willdominatetheunviersein123]

Sir, you don't WANT to know

[@davemustang8173]

"And then Paul..." There is so much anger tied to that name, you have no idea

[@Rex_Silvermoon]

That Doctor Light bit hit hard, as the comic they're referencing is one of the few I've read.

[@Claude203]

Which comic is it, what'd he do?

[@pedrorosa9893]

Raped

[@jor4114]

​@@Claude203 The comic is the Identity Crisis event, where it's revealed that Dr. Light sexually assaulted Elongated Man's wife at the Justice League HQ. Zatanna wiped his memory, and when it came back and he continued to do it until Spectre killed him.

[@dws0828]

And why is it the comic with the controversial sexual violence from 20 years ago is one of the ones you’ve read? 🕵️‍♂️👀

[@jor4114]

@@dws0828 Because no one knew it would have that back then. Like, you pick up a DC comic book, and you don't expect one of the plot points to be about how an Z-lister villain whose one moment of fame was in a kid's cartoon to turn out to be a serial rapist.

[@inanimatesum4945]

You pretty much summed up exactly why everyone CHEERED when Paul loses the kids

[@JayDay01]

"Who's Paul. We still dont know" yep that tracks

[@Jarakin]

"Who's Paul?!" "We still don't know."

[@alexandermeinhardt4727]

I kid you not, the moment he said "Doctor Light", I actually shouted "NO" XD

[@legogoka-boomstudio1838]

3:08 now that I think about it that’s probably why the character was never used/mentioned again and replaced with a new doctor light

[@aidangordon2713]

Who's Paul, Peter? *Paul IS.*

[@Rongez]

Sounds Biblical.

[@bubbles784]

A being so powerful that Darkseid must submit. Darkseid is... afraid of Paul.

[@trexindominus8119]

​@@bubbles784 Darksied is many things, but here he is afraid.

[@amandaarbuckle1074]

@@Rongez Also sounds like a Lord of the Rings reference. Who is Tom Bombadil? Tom Bombadil is.

[@uncanny_i3752]

Bruh the part where he pulled out a picture of Gwen is crazy

[@angelsppp11]

“WHO’S PAUL?! We still don’t know” 😂😂 god damn it if that ain’t the truth

[@CommanderSteelTrap]

Ooh, the Doctor Light incident. Poor Sue and Ralph.

[@grimshock6983]

Spider-Man’s second greatest enemy. PAUL, he isn’t evil, so he can’t fight him.

[@commercialairliner]

Who's #1? Venom? Green Goblin? The writers?

[@grimshock6983]

@@commercialairliner It’s work life balance

[@mttylerdurden9]

​@@commercialairlinereditorial mandate

[@deathbunny32]

@@commercialairliner That would be Skip

[@hango8991]

The writer

[@christianbrandonlewis7958]

1:37 funny I thought that it was dating a 13 year old girl but genocide is way worse

[@RussianDoge-iv8tp]

I think being a pedo is worse then genocide

[@BurnBot_TV]

If can count, thou can mount.

[@Ramsahaisenpai]

all the reasons why it hurts to be a comic reader.

[@jvts8916]

Just wait until Superboy Prime learns what's in store for him after Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[@ImpossibleCakePro]

I know jack and shit about comics but as soon as he said "refrigerator" I knew exactly what it was talking about.

[@radspencer8187]

You will never be forgiven Quesada... Ever.

[@ufofighter16]

"So Hal, you're gonna die, then become evil, I know, it sucks. However, once that's all done, you're gonna become God"

[@jackson3475]

God as in white lantern?... that one time everyone in the Justice league became gods?... or Hal becoming the progenitor of every lantern rings?

[@kieranmclaughlin264]

​@@jackson3475 Nah, hal was the spectre for a while

[@jmssnetto]

Kyle Rayner entering as soon as Hal Jordan learns that he'll kill the Green Lantern corps is genius because that's exactly how it happened in the comics

[@john1701q]

Refrigerator...........Oh Dear Lord I almost choked on my lunch Doctor Light, yeah I remember when he was a fun joke character.................. yeah.

[@GreatNorthernUnofficialChannel]

Refrigerator? What is that about?

[@AAAAAAAAAAHH123]

@@GreatNorthernUnofficialChannel Kyle's girlfriend was killed and shoved in a refrigerator

[@bubbles784]

@@GreatNorthernUnofficialChannel Kyle Raynor (Green Lantern) comes home to discover his girlfriend dead and stuffed into the fridge by a villain called "Major Force" (spawned the "Women in refrigerators"/ "fridged" trope). An event way later called "Blackest Night"‚ a space zombie event‚ had her reanimated and describe to Kyle in detail how she was killed and stuffed into said fridge (‚ though the fandom wiki says she showed the process through her power ring‚ so I might be misremembering).

[@Alpharelic]

It's always the joke characters who turn out to be the darkest

[@Snowstorm...]

I just learned about what they did to Dr. Light from this. I can't believe they'd do that to my silly mad scientist villain...

[@seijin4426]

What did they turned him into?

[@PSIHedgehogChris]

Man, I completely forgot about Identity Crisis until the comments reminded me and wondered why Dr. Light was being practically chased out of the editorial room. Isn't that the story where Batman completely loses his trust in the Justice League?

[@jonpino]

Peter Parker: Just walking around enjoying happy moments in his life. Suffering: "I am inevitable." *Snaps*

[@LlamaDePerusalem]

Please Marvel, just stop making spiderman's life miserable and evolve the damn character.

[@LP-ct9nk]

I feel like they don’t, because for every person wanting spidey to get a break there’s gonna be 3 vocal fans screaming about how him being happy isn’t canon

[@mttylerdurden9]

Marvel: sure. We'll do that in everything BUT his main book.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@VonWenk]

That would require the readers to evolve, wouldn't it? The same people who had the time and money to form a group to lobby against Ben Reilly being the real Spider-Man.

[@seldomstudios6351]

@@LP-ct9nkyou mind telling me their IP addresses? No reason really, I just want to have a chat with them.

[@Usernamesdontmatter1]

Read the spider-girl comic. It's actually well written and where the comic relief baby from spiderverse comes from. Peter is actually grown up and a well meaning but flawed dad. Mary Jane isn't just a damsel in distress but she isn't a badass either. Mayday Parker isn't a super hero because of some traumatic event or trying to have fun but because she found out she has powers and tries to help people because the great responsibility thing was literally drilled into her head from birth. It's great. More people should read it.

[@iguanaboi3921]

Oh boy, if that's the reception Doctor Light gets, I can't wait to see how Deathstroke is treated

[@Kshandamion]

Chris Hansen shows up and asks him to take a seat right over there.

[@MeatbagSlayer]

No words are said. He just whips out a pistol

[@randominternetweirdo5479]

Nearly 17 years ago Peter Parker's marriage was annulled. 2027 will end without restoring the marriage, making this damage last longer than the marriage did.

[@jayknight1099]

Well, Dr. Light got what he asked for.

[@prcr364]

I don’t understand the Dr. Light bit

[@lightingdragon4143]

​@@prcr364they made him into diddy

[@pedrorosa9893]

Raped

[@igorholanda4415]

​@@prcr364 Rape

[@Fordo007]

@@prcr364Let’s just say that instead of being called Dr. Light… after Identity Crisis he should have changed his name to Dr. Grape… without the g… because every single villainous thing he did from then on was involving grape… without the g. He got his serious ‘adult’ stuff for sure…

[@GoldenBoyBlue]

Spectre: "Say, Light. I heard you like 'em young."

[@GizmoHibiki]

For those who don't know what the reference was for Dr. Light, it was a moment in a comic book series called Identity Crisis in wich Elongated Man's wife was murdered and they had to look for who did it and why. When they started to talk about Dr. Light, they revealed that he once broke into the Watch Tower in wich Elongated Man's wife was residing and decided to do something that rhymed with GRAPE for a long while until the Justice LEague at the time came back, tried to restrain him, Elongated Man knocked him out with Hawk Man's mace and Zatanna erased Dr. Lights memory of everything at that moment. Decades later, he would come back and gain his memory back in anger, only to find out that later he didn't kill Elongated Man's wife, but his ex wife did and tried to frame Dr. Light for it. Yes this all happened, no none of it was retconned, yes people who read it hated what Dr. Light did as well as the story, and Elongated Man later on does get some kind of closure thankfully.

[@killerqueen5633]

So, he didn't kill her. But did he still... y'know.....?

[@GizmoHibiki]

@@killerqueen5633 YUP