Superman and Batman Versus Aliens and Predator Versus Common Sense - Comic Tropes (Episode 51)

[@thetruth45678]

Every story Lois writes starts with, "I don't know where Clark went, but suddenly Superman shows up..".

[@hydrolito]

Some Lois Lane stories did not even have Superman in them.

[@thetruth45678]

@@hydrolito You must be real fun at parties.

[@localloser7415]

@@thetruth45678 We're comic book nerds do we even get invited to parties

[@thetruth45678]

@@localloser7415 I do.

[@localloser7415]

@@thetruth45678 What parties....cult parties?

[@pretentiousatheart4517]

"You have a formula for something to knock them out?" "Of course." I'm so glad Mark Schultz decided to neutralize any conflict and action, wouldn't want to get too excited and bust a capillary.

[@ComicTropes]

That's such a good way of putting it.

[@BoyGeorgiaX]

This story is awful. Haha

[@tonilarios]

- Superman: Hey, Batman! come on and just jump to my arms so I can carry you down there. Come on! hold on tight to me. - Batman: ... NO.

[@petersmith9633]

If the ship could send a beacon to the Predator home world, why didn't the Predators use it centuries ago to get saved from Earth?

[@sergiovalmendea]

Then they would have to share their hunting grounds and they aint too keen on sharing.

[@theonlychickensama8353]

@@sergiovalmendea yeah that and they don't do cowardly stuff like that, they do sore loser stuff like set off nukes if they lose lol. I know a that not the reason why they blow themselves up

[@elpugoloco3485]

Maybe it was to save themselves from the dishonour and shame of needing to be rescued by the rest of their people from one of their own hunting grounds? Or it could’ve been to stop the other Predators from finding out what had happened to them that caused them to get stranded on Earth in the first place.

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

"I can handle this on my own, I don't need the dishonor of asking for your assistance"

[@kenwoods8384]

Reminds me of two teenagers babysitting bad kids.

[@salvatoremarinesi8286]

great rao is A False god

[@ARMIV4]

I don't think I've ever heard of a title where everyone was written so out of character. And that includes the xenomorphs for apparently not having acid blood.

[@devilhunterradio8395]

They forgot like how a lot of writers forget Peter's Spider-sense.

[@vicshephard9231]

Everything Marvel does nowadays.

[@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184]

Try the Clone Saga with Spiderman lol

[@Quiro26]

it's like the writer didn't know how to handle superheroes

[@AllenFreemanMediaGuru]

Quiro I’m curious why you would get a really good artist known mostly for his art, and non-superhero writing, to only write a book (not draw) with Superheroes starring in it.

[@jeenkzk5919]

it doesn't make sense to attack the climbers due to the fact they weren't armed...

[@theonlychickensama8353]

Climbing picks maybe lol, desperation lol

[@deanmottershead1439]

I dont think the Predator would kill all the Climbers either its no sport. They would kill one and hope for a fight

[@jacobstaten2366]

To keep there presence secret.

[@AllenFreemanMediaGuru]

And only cut off their heads?

[@darksidegryphon5393]

@@jacobstaten2366 They have stealth. And it is a volcano.

[@spider-sam8057]

SuperMan: "Nope, I gotta save Hitlar, He's a living being." Lol

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

he would, but them hitler would spend his life in prision

[@josegregoriobencomogomez4958]

@@tiagodarkpeasant As a matter of fact, there was a short comic in the 40s that had Superman taking Hitler and Mussolini to jail.

[@TheEndKing]

The Predators were so useless in this story. You know what they could have done? Replace the large group of useless Predators who we never get to know, with just one singular one who's the last of his kind, and like a completely salty bastard. And to make him a possible threat to Superman, replace all of his alien tech with magical tech that he picked up over time on earth. So he's still got that mix-and-match Predator aesthetic, but slightly different for this story.

[@AngryLotus]

I'm a little late to this party, but a chunk of kryptonite made into a knife or speartip would have made a Predator a bit more of a threat. Especially if they have encountered enough Krypotonites in their past to reference him as a "sun spirit". Makes me think their species has encountered similar beings on more than one occasion.

[@HiperPivociarz]

Superman isn't weak to magic. He's weak to anything that's strong enough to punch through a tank, and that just happens to be magic. I'm saying that because there are writers out there who think Superman is like an anti-magic vampire, who will shrivel up if he touches anything magical. He's not. Magic just happens to be strong enough to kill Superman. Just like it is strong enough to kill any regular man.

[@harrylane4]

@@HiperPivociarz superman is physically strong. Magic ignores physical strength. He's not weak to magic like he is to kryptonite, he's vulnerable to it. Huge difference, and most writers know that

[@HiperPivociarz]

@@harrylane4 I feel like not enough writers, and fans know that. I also hate how this misconceptiosn seems to be the reason they wrote a comic about a separate Justice League just for magic problems... and then put Batman on it. Like, if magic is strong enough to kill Superman, wouldn't it be even more dangerous to Batman? Why is Batman involved, but not Superman?

[@Pleasestoptalkingthanks]

@@HiperPivociarz Batman is probably more versed in magickal concepts than Superman tbh. He’s a detective who’s city is a living Gothic horror story, so it makes sense he’s probably brushed up on that stuff over his adventures (see: Rais Al Ghul).

[@mintpalmer]

Question: what were the predators doing in Gotham and Metropolis? It seems like a completely different plot thread?

[@maxhydekyle2425]

Shopping

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

Pretty much a “we need to hook them immediately”. Basically WWE logical of setting up big fights with teasers. Kind of lame given they basically turned up, attempted to mug Batman/superman and got off Scot free

[@Bluecollarjoe6B9]

Even Predators run away from Batman

[@theonlychickensama8353]

Batman is the ultimate Hunter of the night

[@jackreacher4297]

They would love to fight him in a heart beat. Such lazy writing. Predators seek worthy apponents

[@Stoppskylten]

It makes sense if they do though. Batman is unarmed. Sort of anyway.. :)

[@dragonlordthekingofdragons6373]

No they're just more primal

[@justanotherchannelwithauno7580]

@@jackreacher4297 so it's a "If the opponent is strong enough to intimidate, it's going to be a fun fight" kinda of deal?

[@Shinmsl]

I loved the sections of Superman being an Asshole to Lois and Batman XD Silver age were magical times :P

[@tatbat]

Of course Lois will never write the story. Perry assigned the story to Clark.

[@danielleary9469]

I don't think there's any flaw in the Predators calling Superman a sun god. Just because they don't know who the Superman of Earth is that doesn't mean they won't know what a Kryptonian is. These Predators are supposedly 10s of thousands of years of old. Krypton only blew up 30-40 years ago in this story, and given how old these Predators are they could have heard stories of "sun gods" who become extra poweful when they leave their world for a yellow star.

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

how do they know he is from one of the other hundreds of planets with people as strong as superman ?

[@Turt3752]

@@tiagodarkpeasant as the russian dude in Ant-Man said, “if walk like duck, and talk like duck…”

[@marcespinoza6068]

This comic was terrible but the artwork was magnificent.

[@lukasznowak9138]

it's nice, but it doesn't work well with horror material

[@harrylane4]

@@lukasznowak9138 if you think alien and predator are still horror franchises you haven't watched a movie in either series since aliens/predator 2 (hell even predator 1 was an action movie first)

[@NotCharAznable]

@@harrylane4 Predator 1 was a nice blend.

[@Arinesart]

I always thought it was pretty so-so. There are some amazing pages, but his Predators are horrible, some panels are just weird and there's a bunch of lazy silhouettes (as lazy as the predator outfits).

[@RobotsPajamas]

I read Superman vs Aliens and it seemed okay for what I remember. And Batman vs. Predator was awesome. I didn't know this one existed.

[@fredrikgranstrom6743]

yeah batman vs predator was cool

[@cha5]

I liked it far more than the Predator 2 movie.

[@hozzoh9936]

My favorite part is Superman carefully climbing down into the volcano. It takes a special kind of ignorance or apathy about the abilities of Superman to draw that.

[@VorpalDerringer]

This is like a Silver Age flashback with xenomorphs and predators...Just...wow. Of all the directions this could have gone, that is the least likely I feel.

[@ComicTropes]

Yeah, I think the only route it could've really gone is like you say - engage in some Silver Age camp and just own it.

[@tatbat]

The xenomorph queen had several legs in Aliens until detaching herself from herself(?) when Ripley went all Rambo on her nest.

[@nunyabidness3081]

TatBat They weren’t actually intended to be legs, mate. They’re a support structure to hold up her massive ovipositor (egg sack). The intention aesthetically *is* clearly to make her appear arachnoid or insect like, but they’re not actually legs. She does have an extra pair of arms, however.

[@UnlimitedProduction1]

This video was very funny. Pointing out little mistakes always makes me laugh. Supes is my favorite, but damn he was stupid here

[@TheYogaDawg]

Dude. I could listen to you do comic reads all day.

[@jimcat68]

"The TDI won't tolerate an alien incursion in this region." In which regions *would* they tolerate one?

[@DantevKratos]

Lol. Superman saving the Aliens....did PETA write this?😉😂😂

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

the universe is queerer

[@ajichilepep2749]

Yknow. There was a lot of missed opportunities here. It almost seems like this story was heavily edited down from a cool original concept “these predators are from 14,000 years ago and have become more primal than their modern counterparts and are less honor bound” Wait. Bigger gripe. What were the predators incubating the aliens in? The facehuggers need hosts. Were they kidnapping humans from the surface since the ice age? Were they sacrificing other predators? Wouldn’t these all be predaliens then?? The writer didn’t seem to understand any of the source materials or had his story edited down to a nub of nonsense.

[@dragonlordthekingofdragons6373]

Yeah

[@DantevKratos]

I approve of these questions. Makes so much sense, this would have been awesome with predaliens and have the predators lose their "honor". It's one of their few weaknesses against humans. The only honorable human that didn't cheat was the samurai in Predators....even Arnold "cheated" in the first one. Yes, some might say he "used resources"...but nah. Hand to hand...he would have been killed..😮

[@michaelmartin9022]

To have Superman and Batman begin by investigating missing villagers from a remote village, which only recently "joined" the outside world, and which claims to routinely make human sacrifices to it's "gods" would have been more interesting. Imagine a scene where they reveal drawings of their gods and devils to Batman, and they're Predators and Aliens. Also aren't there multiple alien contacts over the course of the DC universe? People being told there were two other alien species living among them for a while would find it distinctly meh.

[@yessum15]

@@michaelmartin9022 This would be a dope story. It would also explain the plot hole as to how the predators incubated aliens without hosts.

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

@@michaelmartin9022 they think the "hunters" kill the "monsters" if they make sacrifices, without knowing the sacrifices are causing the "monsters"

[@jayman8752]

Your reaction to the comic is hilarious lmao

[@williano57]

This dude is awesome instant fan

[@petersmith9254]

williano support his channel

[@shanekrauchi2357]

Watching your ranty videos is like watching the Angry Video Game Nerd-except with less swearing. I like it-except the less swearing.

[@cosmoissleeping]

If the predators could just contact more predators with a distress signal, why were they holed up in that volcano for 1,400 years in the first place?

[@astralsapien8727]

14k years

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

"death before -asking for help- dishonor" then after a few thousand years they probably devolved quite a bit, they don't even use plasmacasters in this comic meaning they probably forgot quite a lot about their own technology and culture over the millennia

[@HovektheArtist]

In batman vs predator at the end he states that they are hunters, predators looking for prey and they know gotham is off limits for another predator calls it home. So thats where him calling the predators vomes from

[@dougg1075]

Superman would rip these “ creeps” apart at the speed of sound just in time for lunch with Lois. Odd matchup

[@floorboards1500]

Man dressed as bat and literally a demi god fight two different aliens, Chris: all good here Newspaper has money Chris: that's insane!

[@cheezyfilmsproductions1842]

Suspension of disbelief demands that we accept the concept of aliens and superheroes in these stories... but a newspaper with drip? That's just too far

[@brantleyhester6641]

Superman is an alien and lost all of his species so I can kinda see his point of wanting to save them

[@willardtk2979]

Batman vs Predator was amazing.

[@aldi404]

Even Superman has a bad day sometimes

[@danmorgan3685]

Superman vs Predators would be such a one sided fight. They literally can't hurt him.

[@HCC788]

I don't have a great interest in Aliens or Predator, but it is always fun to see something that I've never read before. The Superman figure melt-down at the end was fun. His chest symbol slid off very early. :)

[@ComicTropes]

It's been three months and that mug of sludge is still sitting in my basement. I'm not sure where to dispose of it.

[@jamesoblivion]

Just like in Superman II. 😆

[@hoyabumbitch5900]

Not excusing the comic, but I could see the thermal vision in the predator helmets to explain the sun spirit thing with Superman

[@Gavgoyle]

27:31 Supes dismissively telling Batman so shut up? Pretty much personality swap territory there! I have a hard time imagining Bruce not donkey punching him with a kryptonite ring with that attitude.

[@ziljin]

Superman no kill rule even applies to Xenomorphs lol. He also refused to kill them in Superman Versus Aliens 1 and 2.

[@Juan_Sanchez-Vililobos_Ramirez]

I was heretofore unaware of this duology. Return to me my ignorance of such folly at once, sir! At once, I say!

[@BoyGeorgiaX]

The electrocution line was hilarious.

[@Mate397]

Why would Supes WANT to save the Xenomorphs? He knows what they can do, he knows how they reproduce and all that...

[@CoolPaDuke]

So the Predators just stand around all chill and talk to Batman for a few but as soon as they get in the Fortress of Solitude they violently vandalize everything they can find? Makes sense.

[@nicolasmartinez3176]

Superman saving the aliens, is equivalent to me saving a fly. The reason its weird is because they are basically hated by everyone. They are expendable, savage, unpredictable. And they don’t have ANY higher purpose or meaning in life other then to kill, and to further expand its race.

[@DarthDragon007]

So Superman saved a creature that could cause (and probably has) extinctions of entire species? That's just stupid on his part...what thought process would he have to save a creature whose only purpose in life is to kill?

[@idh82bu15]

Don't forget that they're the equivalent of a f##king plague that consumes all life in existence only to replace with their own.yeah superman probably just murdered the galaxy with his "save the whales"attitude.

[@arx3516]

@@DarthDragon007 the predators actually like the aliens, they are good entertainment.

[@DantevKratos]

You do know that's the nature of every living being...some just have "higher intellect"....I put that in quotations because even us "more intelligent " species are idiots. War against ourselves, cannibslism, etc. Chimps , dolphins, pigs,...all have these same faults...we are no better than a fly...

[@DantevKratos]

Read my last statement....we live to kill and procreate. That is the nature of any living creature...that's why "survival of the fittest " is a saying....it just goes deeper than some want to believe.

[@afromalone]

This had me in stitches.

[@mephosto]

the superman/aliens comics are awesome. they manage to make them great stories, and it does a great job of legitimizing the fact that xenomorphs are one of the few things superman will kill without any hesitation.

[@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184]

Superman is afraid of the aliens ... forgets he's an alien ... face palm lmao

[@alexforce9]

lol, I love those out of context (I hope there is contexts) evil Superman shots. Specialy 15:37 . Epic Stuff.

[@qrissy3742]

Poor Soupyman! :(

[@ComicTropes]

Qrissy It's only a flesh wound. He'll be fine.

[@animalmother8037]

I liked the Olivette work on Cable after Messiah complex.

[@ghouldishanimal]

Xenomorphs are parasites in their fetal form. Imagine having a parasite in your brain or something and asking Superman to help and he’s like “Nope, it’s a living being, I can’t kill it.”

[@sergiovalmendea]

Batman's ego would not let him get carried by Superman. Its a guy thing.Batman is prepared for Predators so he isn't surprised more than once or twice. He likes living.Darkseid would not be too thrilled with other aliens trying to destroy Earth. That's HIS Earth to destroy at his pleasure and he don't share with anyone. He would have intervened just to upstage Superman if Luthor didn't do it first.

[@theonlychickensama8353]

Lol true, you would just seen a boom tube with him stepping in

[@shimshamjunior]

What is he Vegeta now or something ?

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

4:05 Predator was also a horror movie, disguised as an action movie... Personally I liked this comic, especially the artwork, it was a nice kinda culmination of the separate crossovers.

[@ultimatejoshiewoshieness]

I love how you shit on the bad comics

[@Changetheling]

14:50 was HILARIOUS! It made me remember I have to like the videos when on a binge!! Edit: OMG 15:34 !!!! jajajajajaja

[@fabriciofazano]

I mean, Batman versus a predator would make sense, but there's no way either a xenomorph or a predator could put up a fight against Superman

[@taylorjeremy71]

In the Superman versus alien comic Superman's powers are diminished because he's far away from the sun on a spaceship and the sun is where he gets his strength from

[@baileymoore7779]

@@taylorjeremy71 Superman is Birdman? I thought the different rays of Earth's sun allowed Superman's powers to be expressed (whereas the rays of Krypton's sun caused them to remain dormant) rather than the sun actually powering him. He does after all go to other places in the galaxy away from Earth's specific sun and he's fine. I mean he's been to Apokolips.

[@taylorjeremy71]

@@baileymoore7779 Here's the comic. They explain it. It may be off canon given it's a Dark Horse/DC mash up. They explain it with better detail than I did. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHrIZ2iYfdCZaac

[@taylorjeremy71]

@@baileymoore7779 He's far away from any sun.

[@sleepybones5726]

I just found this channel and now I have to watch everything, keep them coming

[@maxhydekyle2425]

One thing I really like here is Batman's costume. It's pretty unique and cool looking.

[@Draliseth]

Several predators with pot guts? All other glaring flaws aside... that kills it.

[@Reithierion]

Those flashbacks of superman "caring" for Lois and Batman destroyed me...Funniest shit ever. Supes handing Batman the gun for a duel was the best. Just think how that would even play out XD

[@Trustno175]

Interesting point about how dumb it is Superman trying to save the Xeno's in the first comic where he encountered them, he also tried to spare the first one he ran across, trying to reason with it, then trying to restrain it and finally trying to fight it while weakened being away from the sun, he punches it and got acid blood in his eyes, blinding himself. So really he should know not to try and spare them.

[@elmori616]

Superman! What happened to the aliens and predators you let die inside the volcano? Weird ethics...

[@themajordudes8194]

What a hilarious comic. This video had me laughing

[@hydrolito]

There were evil Superman clones in some stories, also Clayface, Brainiac and some other characters also disguised themselves as Superman.

[@dragonlordthekingofdragons6373]

The Predators are called Yautja

[@dragonlordthekingofdragons6373]

Well those Yautja are over 14,000 years old so they probably thought Superman was a sun spirit/god and they're probably very primal

[@genkaiba15]

I'm glad this opening song is getting used nowadays as your outro. It's a nice little song.

[@enriquepadilla7256]

Man I would LOVE to see you cover some of Dark Horses early runs on Alien & Predator/AVP.

[@hydrolito]

24:01 Superman could have used round door that open and close they have round doors on submarines if you every watched Voyage to the bottom of the sea you might have figured that out. So I figured round circles are doors.

[@Malsolo]

This makes me think I can be a comic writer. If this dude can get work, anyone should be able to.

[@Captain_MonsterFart]

But it's confusing because he's very accomplished. His art absolutely kicks ass. www.google.ca/search?q=mark+shultz+art&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp1NH4msvdAhUKJXwKHUIrCHMQ_AUIDigB&biw=1280&bih=639

[@tuffy135ify]

@@Captain_MonsterFart Drawing isn't the same as writing a story.

[@cha5]

Tuffy Logan It’s very much an essential part of the story and the story would never be complete without the art more often than not, See Stan Lee & Jack Kirby and Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons as examples.

[@nickdrawschicks3463]

What I wanna see now is Batman vs. Superman vs. Aliens vs. Predators vs. Jason vs. Freddie.

[@jedgrahek1426]

Those panels of Superman being cruel or worse to Lois are so damn hilarious, good show.

[@jackreacher4297]

Seems like the writers were drunk and eating hot wings and talking about the money they’d get

[@emanuelcr7207]

Thank you for saying Alien was a horror movie, a lot of people ignores that.

[@geekstronomy3368]

I like to imagine that they call him “sun-spirit” because they are a race of hunter, so they probably have encountered kryptonians, they just call the whole krypton race sun-spirit due to them getting powers from the sun

[@nicholasdickens2801]

I remember hiring the TPB out from my local library in I think early 2008. It really sucked.

[@jahlonjohnson6153]

Lol @ "He's the smartest man alive!"

[@Kitsunekun2]

I wonder if that silly Superman will remember that he can fly?

[@rico1981]

Ok that was brutal.... you took ALL the fun out of that story. No dude really.... ALL THE FUN..

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

edgar bridges implying that there was fun to begin with.

[@krusher181]

What fun? Lmfao. This comic is an absolute mess. But the dialogue is kinda hilarious.

[@maxhydekyle2425]

Imagine if a face hugger did successfully impregnate Superman. The Alien that would come from him would be unstoppable.

[@wrockage]

love it, you make me laugh, sir. they certainly could have written it better. love the art though. thanks for sharing!

[@carmelosgro6413]

"Robot servant , please fix yourself", LMAO

[@chainyrabbit]

Superman/Alien was the first Superman book I ever read

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

If only they defeated the aliens and predators were defeated by raw emotion after a tentacle orgy.... I mean we don't need that story a second time.

[@darkdeity2012]

Yeah, can't say I care for that style of photographic background behind the drawn artwork - always looks a bit like they couldn't be bothered. The first couple of Batman & Predator titles were pretty great, as I recall.

[@taylorjeremy71]

Batman gets the armor suit to fight Predator.

[@jebpleb1803]

needed some terminators and chuck norris

[@Nist498]

As far as taking Lois along Superman may have figured out that wherever he goes Lois is going to end up in danger so he's just keeping her close for efficiency's sake. As for the Predators, in the Dark Horse continuity they're supposed to be called Yautja so yeah, that's a screw up.

[@KardboardKenny]

best part of any Bats/Supes vs Pred/Aliens, was in the first Supes vs Aliens, where Supes pukes up the chestbuster.

[@DiestroCorleone]

I'm not sure about the quality of the stories (most of them are pretty disposable) but the issues illustrated by Ariel Olivetti... Man, they're freaking awsome.

[@DiestroCorleone]

I'm talking about the illustrations. But maybe it's just the fanboy in me. Plus, in high school I had a teacher that was Olivetti's cousin, so we're like family, kind of.

[@mothman2514]

Alien/Predator/Judge Dredd crossovers actually worked

[@jessewilley531]

Predators have traveled across the galaxy and have increased sense of smell. They know a Kryptonian when they smell one.

[@jacobstaten2366]

So they would have seen a signal for more predators to come if the ship was destroyed? Why not send a distress call and have the others rescue them in the first place?

[@p4rt_t1me_g0d]

Finally, someone with common sense who sees how badly these popular characters are written for the most part!

[@cheezyfilmsproductions1842]

... are you talking about in this comic, or in general? Cause, you realize he's a fan of these characters outside of this comic, right?

[@skynyrdjesus]

I'm not familiar with Batman's previous run ins with the Predator species, but if they were ever handled well, considering the species never does anything other than hunt the most dangerous game across the galaxy, Predators is a pretty easy conclusion to come to, especially for a great detective.

[@KardboardKenny]

the first series is great, avoid the others.

[@skynyrdjesus]

@@KardboardKenny I'll keep that in mind. I've never been one to read comics with any regularity. I have a great respect for them, because they're really the closest thing we have to mythology in the modern age, but I don't have the commitment, the time or the resources to really dig in and enjoy them serially.

[@KardboardKenny]

@@skynyrdjesus its a 4 issue stand alone story. so no need to dig into any past storylines.

[@DicklessHipster]

Batman vs Predator is awesome.

[@dougg1075]

The art is great.

[@CoolPaDuke]

Superman: I've got a dozen or so super-violent murder aliens tearing apart my Fortress and even worse aliens who lay their eggs in people's chests ... "Hey Lois, hop in. I'm sure you'll be fine".

[@strawbabyblaine5299]

Batman and Superman are supposed to have more chemistry, like they aren’t assholes to each other they are literally best friends

[@capnmo6718]

I love this episode.

[@Googaliemoogalie]

Alien is a "Haunted house story set in space"...hmmm wait yea I didn't think of it that way...