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[@smyers820gm]

Hey dude you do know exactly how that seeker head works 😂 because it’s the aim-120D seeker head 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@numberyellow]

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[@vantonymccutcheon5334]

U should do a video F/A-18 vs, Su-57 with Aim-174B SM-6 missile ❤❤

[@vantonymccutcheon5334]

@@Anarchy_420 I not talking about Aim-120d missile I was talking about Aim-260 missile 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾❤️❤️

[@MississippiKid96]

You know we need uploads of all 356 scenarios (regarding jet vs jet) with this thing .. I need the f-15 to get revenge on the Mig 31 on this channel

[@kcf881]

Apparently the aim 174b can be fired via datalink. The awacs can guide the missiles whether the hornet can see you or not. Other fighters and surface radars can guide it as well

[@therocinante3443]

Of course! It's 2024!

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

F-35s can also provide datalink. Rumors are that they’re fitting the C with them.

[@Vladimirthetiny]

It's called the Tactical Targeting Network Technology (TTNT) Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL)

[@maverickmissile801]

​@@mikeyplayzwrldthe aim174b doesn't fit with the f35s. The current goal is to use f35s to get up close to the enemy to provide a fire solution for the aim174b, carried by the older f18s.

[@ekaitz303]

@@mikeyplayzwrld the f-35 is getting insane

[@000-z8n]

"He was looking for a warrior's death, and that's what he got" Respect.

[@vividthespis]

>>Presses F to Pay respects

[@smithyMcjoe]

@@vividthespis F

[@karabenomar]

F

[@BlakeJoy]

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[@Raz.C]

It would have garnered MORE respect if he gave the other guy a warrior's death, rather than succumbing to one, himself. While I acknowledge that we don't always have a choice in these things, we can still recognise one outcome as being preferable to the other.

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

I think where the AIM-174B could be really deadly is they could use it to snipe assets like AWACS, tankers, transports, and C&C aircraft from stand-off distances.

[@JBSmoke1]

Agree. Engaging inside of 100 nm defeats the purpose of the AIM-174 - very long range "reach out and smoke someone".

[@Russell_sears]

They're supposed to be employed in conjunction with the sniper pods, which could push the range out to 200 miles.

[@treloaria4295]

Like the r-37m

[@andersmoesby6470]

​@@Russell_searsisn't the Sniper Pod an EO targeting pod? What am I missing?

[@capt.squiggly6354]

My understanding was this was one of the main purposes of the f35 as well was to use its stealth to get close to lead in fires

[@kristindanielcarrington3318]

GrowlingSidewinder, can you strap 6 AIM-174B’s to the F-14B Tomcat? That would be an absolutely sick “updated F-14” video.

[@christopherwang4392]

It should be noted that the Standard without the booster has a longer length (~15.5 feet) compared to the Phoenix (~13 feet). It is likely the F-14 Tomcat would have carried four AIM-174Bs, two underneath the fuselage and two underneath the wing pylons.

[@hawkeye2816]

Unlikely. 6 AIM-174s is roughly the same weight as 10 Phoenixes and the Tomcat could only just barely operate with 6 Phoenixes. Plus, the AIM-174 is significantly longer than the Phoenix, so even just fitting 6 of them on the pylons would probably be impossible.

[@Elthenar]

I was thinking exactly this, although I never gave any thoughts to a loadout of 6 of them for all the reasons said. Those AIM-174's are big fellas.

[@Optimaloptimus]

@@hawkeye2816 Now six of them on an F-35 or F-15EX is very possible since both have weight tolerances of over 20,000lbs in payload.

[@proffessorX]

That F22 is just incredible. Good to see the SM-6's on here too.

[@samgreenwood8313]

F18 just turning into another missile truck, because this missile can be guided by datalink OR any aegis capable platform, so f35s, ticos, anything that can see the target can just use this missile to hit stuff if the f18 gets within launch range

[@andersjjensen]

On a long enough timeline everything ends up a missile truck.

[@kenny240]

Yeah. I think using the Super Hornet as basically a mobile launch platform for this missile, with datalink guidance from more forward F35s would be an almost unstoppable force. Fat Amy can launch from a carrier, get in close without being detected. The Super Hornet trucks in the extreme range missiles from the back to take out anything in the air. I’d imagine SEAD would be possible/great with these too. Considering their origin.

[@Chuck_Hooks]

SM-6s have an anti-ship capability. Would like to see a mixed attack on surface ships and aircraft

[@S7eveThePira7e]

According to GS, an AMRAAM is an anti everything missile. Nice to see the Navy apply that logic to the antiship missiles they already have.

[@Meyer-gp7nq]

🤤

[@bshaw71]

We need an F-35 running point uplinking to a couple of B-1s volley launching 40+ AIM-174s each in a massive Taiwan defense scenario.

[@wilinstonthompson1352]

FOX 3 at 28 miles on a AiM174 is insanely close range ! Even at a low altitude

[@Liberty_or_Ded]

Super Hornet: "Was I a joke to you?" Raptor: "No. You were a warrior."

[@pkpnyt4711]

The thing about the Raptor is that it's capabilities is so under represented here. A former F15/F-22 pilot named Mike "Dozer" Shower once did a test of 2 Raptors (don't know who the other pilot is) VS. 8 F-15s. They killed all 8 F-15s. The F-15 pilots were asking, "Where you at?". They were 1 mile behind them and they couldn't be seen. These F-15 pilots were combat experienced and tried to use tactics but all died anyway. This is before the Raptors were upgraded. He also talked about a 4 ship F22 VS. a 12-ship F-15 head to head and they killed all 12 F-15s in 2 minutes. "Dozer" said that when the F-22s sensors get you and the planes "talk" to each other, it was nearly untouchable. There's so many things we don't know about the Raptor that is never shown here for obvious reasons, but now knowing that it can "talk" to other F-22s is pretty cool for us and scary for adversaries. What they show here is funny to me with everyone able to "see" the Raptor all the time.

[@Sethdarunner]

What the heck, that is crazy. And cool af

[@yono367]

a similar thing makes the F35 absolutely bonkers as a modern warfare platform, the planes act as a sort of hive-mind with how they share information between one another

[@jacobbrassard2776]

Happened at the first red flag the f22 pulled up to. Since then tactics have been developed to mitigate the stealth advantage and it’s not as one sided as before…

[@WhatIsSanity]

Keep in mind the F18 had very good ground and high altitude radar support as well as datalink, that's what spotted the F22 not the F18s radar. Also the F22 wasn't spiked until 30nm miles from the F18, which is pretty close considering all that radar.

[@Remix2366]

Maybe the rcs is lower than what we know,but other than that the f-22 is represented as best as it could be in dcs. It doesn't have secret alien technology

[@edwardpate6128]

If he had a data link with a US Navy surface ship with the AN/SPS-49 air search radar it would give him a big help. That powerful L Band radar has proven pretty effective at detecting "stealth" platforms.

[@seejay3245]

Would love to see what kind of stealth missions the F22 or F35 can do with internal mako's.

[@rickykurniawann]

The Navy: we’d just keep making new weapons until the Super Hornet ran out of pylons

[@PointBlank65]

Then Lockheed said , let's strap a Mako to everything with wings .

[@burnedbacon3989]

​@@PointBlank65 mako not maco, unless you're talking about something else

[@PointBlank65]

@@burnedbacon3989 na Just an early morning typo

[@nicholasdelraso2315]

Lol 😂

[@JBSmoke1]

Cool! How about a video to demonstrate where the AIM-174 will probably be used - smoking AWACS, bombers, and transports from very long range?

[@kyun1711]

Yeah, imagine a video where its SU-57s + some odds and ends attempting to defend an AWACs or tanker against some US craft defending whatever missile truck is being used to snipe at the target, or some variation there. It wouldn't even need to be Raptors, using regular fighters could prove to be pretty interesting

[@NLozar22]

@@kyun1711 That requires "Launch on Datalink" capability, which (AFAIK) is not modeled in DCS, nor can be modded into it I don't think.

[@kyun1711]

@@NLozar22 fair, good catch

[@mcbgaming95]

I think the super hornet should had climb high up over 20miles and shoot the missile to give more range. He stayed low the whole time knowing he got a longer range missile that was a pilot error

[@NLozar22]

Problem is if Rhino got up high, Raptor would be able to shoot it down even with "just" AMRAAMs (and I don't think those quotation marks could possibly be overemphasized) before Raptor got detected. That's what makes stealth fighters so dominant.

[@guyb7995]

@@NLozar22 Only to a point, that AAMRAM still gotta climb and that takes a lot of energy too while the 174 is starting in thin air, then descending at the end. I'd like to have seen the hornet press before firing more, GS was going cold well outside the MAR of the AMRAAM so one 174 to send him defensive, ignore the incoming AAMRAM, as GS said, its not a threat, press to close to inside the 174s MAR (but outside the AMRAAMS MAR) as the F22 defends the first, send another 174. Never let the F22 get offensive.

[@Funk8_4]

I think he explained that whole situation and why they stayed low early on in the video

[@NLozar22]

@@guyb7995 The situation in this video was that Rhino's problem was detecting the Raptor, while Raptor's problem was getting close enough for a high Pk shot. If Rhino was up high, so would be the Raptor. It wouldn't make sense for Raptor to shoot upward. Remeber, while Rhino is fairly low observaible (stealthy by Russian standards), Raptor would still detect it way before it would be detected itself, thus it could place itself in the most advantageous position well in advance. And Raptor could be a lot faster than Rhino with four AIM-174s and two tanks futher improving the Pk of its AMRAAMs. (I have serious doubts AIM-174s can be carried in pairs per pylon. One AIM-174 is about 2000 lbs.) So Raptor would certainly get the first shot and it would be quite a high Pk one at that before Rhino could detect it, especially with Delta AMRAAMs (the ones in the videos are Charlies, I believe). In other words / TL;DR: The reason Rhino wanted to force low altitude fight was because at low altitude, Raptor is forced into the detection range of Rhino's radar before it can shoot its AMRAAMs effectively. But at high altitude, Raptor could handily shoot lethal AMRAAMs well before it would even be itself detected (maybe even if Rhino itself was low). Again, that's what makes (proper) stealth fighters so dominant.

[@guyb7995]

@@NLozar22 The 18 had more assists and could lock on at 30 miles or so, so it could still afford to be a bit higher, not 40K ft but higher for sure. Then still press the 22, descending between shots to bleed the AMRAAM, but remember the 174 has like twice the range, so as long as you are outside its MAR and can detect the 22, which will be inside your MAR, you should win.

[@emmavaria]

I'd love to see the AIM-174B mated to the F-15EX. It would seem to be virtually purpose-built for that job of carrying massive amounts of ordnance and flinging it at extreme ranges against datalinked targets.

[@jayvee8502]

For there or only used in the Navy.

[@edwardpate6128]

I remember way back in about 1984 or so brainstorming with a GMM shipmate of mine about if this could be done with the SM-2 ER like we carried on USS Preble DDG-46. Apparently we were ahead of our time but back then the F-14 and the AIM-54 Phoenix were still around. It was in the middle of a long Indian Ocean deployment and we had a lot of time on our hands for stuff like that!

[@hermanlopez2945]

Love how you describe every move you make and explain why you do it. This one was intense

[@operator0]

I wonder if it would be a better tactic to shoot the 174, then close in fast behind it, and keep firing as your closing. It seems as if the missile has no trouble tracking the F-22, but the ranges he was firing at was just a little too far.

[@BigMasterSabre]

TacView would be great to see how some of the new missiles behave :) Great video as always.

[@andrewwillard5625]

As soon as I saw new I was like okay this is going to be interesting.

[@libertylivesin1776]

A worthy effort but in the end as always, a raptor must feast.

[@ayuchanayuko]

One wasp strapped with ship's AA missiles versus _One hungry sneaky dino_

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

I could spend hours watching the Raptor. I do. Thanks!

[@MeerkatADV]

I would love to see a modular/jettisonable wing mount for these on the F22. That setup would be terrifying.

[@ticotube2501]

A-10: "Did someone say wing mount?"

[@MeerkatADV]

@@ticotube2501 no radar to set it up.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

A datalink weapons lock is going to be a big deal for long range missiles like this. However the F22 is still designed to handle such situations with such a small radar cross-section.

[@FoxFire2736]

Love that tail view of the chaff! good work!

[@philotgamesworth]

The weapon bay door flash was a nice added touch of disrespect. ;D

[@hanyoukimura]

"A brave stand, and noble" - Dinobot

[@XTXImperator]

Very good BVR match GS and Golf. Great flying! It reminded me of the time when GS flew against the MiG-21Bis in an F-16 insofar as previous gen fighters with upgrades and new missiles can actually compete with the newer gen fighters for a while. Neat.

[@rolandlee6898]

Could have baited you with the AMRAAM at longer range, make you think he is out of SM-6.

[@microbuilder]

13:17 For just a moment, I thought that was you...was like, well, thats one way to do it lol

[@MochaMan97]

You should test the hornet against the SU-57 with hypersonics

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

Once the SU-57s hypersonic kills the F-18s AWACS, it’s over. The hornet can’t guide the Aim-174 by itself very well. And the Su-57 is just a better BVR fighter than the hornet.

[@NerothLoD]

You'd think a 100+ mile missile would easily have the energy to hit you at 20-30 miles. Really didn't know that the range was impact to that extent by flying low. Great vid.

[@mrgoober6320]

At sea level, air resistance is 1,000 millibars. At 100,000 ft, it's only 10 millibars. The way missiles achieve long range is by climbing up where there's no air resistance; when those same missiles are forced to function at 10k or 20k ft, they're not long range any more.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Yes, it’s crazy the dramatic difference air density makes.

[@Remix2366]

It might be shit up close,honestly. It's gonna have a hard time maneuvering with a jet pancake like f-22/su-57 and it can definitely understeer

[@johnnyenglish583]

@@mrgoober6320 the bar/milibar is a measure of air pressure, not resistance or density, my friend. Air resistance is measured in newtons, air density - in kilograms per cubic meter. At sea level, the standard air density is approximately 1.225 kg/m³. At 10,000 feet, it is roughly 0.905 kg/m3. So the difference is nowhere near as large as you imply.

[@mrgoober6320]

​@@johnnyenglish583 Air resistance is a function of velocity, so it can't be evaluated by altitude alone. And air density and air pressure are directly related; at 100,000 ft, both air pressure and air density are ~1% of their expected value at sea level. This is basic physics.

[@edwardpate6128]

I have to wonder how much these impact the performance of a F/A-18? Kind of makes you wish we had the Tomcat 21, if it could carry 6 Phoenix it could probably also carry 6 of the AIM-174.

[@corvanphoenix]

I wonder if the new Peregrines would be best for this sort of mission. You'd have a couple more shots.

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

I could spend hours watching the Raptor.

[@lcdrpost]

I would like to see this scenario done using the AIM-174’s on the F-15 which has a larger more powerful radar.

[@NATEDOG2024]

I think they only have them setup for the hornet so the f15 isn’t capable at the moment I’ve seen other videos of this and they all used the hornet

[@vobasuyi]

Would love to see this with the new Mako hypersonic missiles on the f22.

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

Any news on an AIM-260 for DCS? I know you tried them before but they were kinda quirky off the rail and didn't seem to be able to hit anything. I'd like to see the AIM-174 or a functional AIM-260 on an aircraft that can make the most of it. The AIM-174 definitely enhances the capabilities of the Hornet, but I don't feel the Hornet realizes the full potential of the AIM-174. The Hornet is just too slow. It is like giving the SDMR to the worst marksman in the squad. A truly long-range missile on an Eagle or Viper, something that can get high and fast enough to realize the potential of the missile so that both the aircraft and the missile bring the best out of each other would be nice.

[@remain_]

And theoretically the Eagle could hold 12 of them, coming off the rail over Mach 2.5 at 60k feet

[@OwenBeyer-nr3dv]

It would probably be way too heavy for the eagle to carry 12, also the Mach 2.5 and 60000 ft was a clean eagle with nothing on it.

[@remain_]

@@OwenBeyer-nr3dv okay, 10 missiles at Mach 2.2 at 50k feet. Still, whoever locks this in DCS must hate fun.

[@OwenBeyer-nr3dv]

@@remain_ probably still can’t do that, but definitely fun!

[@Mike_Romeo]

We dont even know how the Aim-260 looks like since it wasnt reavealed to the public yet. Leave alone its performance data which are classified

[@stevenhartman2605]

It's hard to tell if it's just the missile gaining/losing lock or not, but it sure seems like the DCS F-22 has a nasty RWR blind arc above and below the horizontal wing plane.

[@horusfalcon]

Very interesting scenario! Points up the need for that new AIM-260(?).

[@Raz.C]

The problem with merely increasing the missile size, is that you also increase the missile's inertia. That means that the missile is going to want to keep going in whatever direction it's already going, which means that it's going to have a hard time hitting a small, manoeuvring target.

[@banditdelta7172]

I'm never worried about GS in the Raptor

[@pgl1824]

Another great video as usual. How are you flying the F-22 in the latest version of DCS?

[@maverickmissile801]

Aim174 vs Mako next???

[@CivisMilitarum]

Watching those missles on your radar gave me Aliens vibes 😨

[@MrManlnBlack]

I can’t wait until the 22 is outfitted with the Mako, that’s going to be a fun video to watch!

[@NATEDOG2024]

The mako is used by the navy it will be used on the f18 and f35

[@MrManlnBlack]

@@NATEDOG2024 and the 15, 16, and 22. It’s being pitched to the Air Force too

[@jasonthompson4741]

That was a Great Fight GS. Thank You Sir

[@Asghaad]

No it wasnt, the oponent was not using his range advantage and firing from way too long of a distance... When you outrange the oponent you do t fire at the edge of your capability but just beyond of the capability of the oponent... If AMRAAM at that altitude has 10miles MAR and your weapon has 20 you fire at 12-15 not at 25... He should have started with wpending his AMRAAMS first for the opening low PK shots just to prevent Raptor from pushing him then fire the SM-6 inside the MAR but outside of GSs MAR...

[@milkmunstr]

i think we need old school vs new school. tomcat/phoenix vs super hornet/sm-6

[@BeastHunterSam]

Look at everything they need to get close to beating an aircraft first fielded 30 years ago

[@eliaspergande2663]

Where the new MACO hypersonic mission at?

[@foracal5608]

Good video! Imagine them new fangled missiles on something like a U-2 spy plane or the b-21?

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 78

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

If you wanted old vs new, F-35 vs F-14 would be better.

[@Mav09]

@@mikeyplayzwrld he has already done that.

[@robertallison9653]

Awesome video! F-22 Raptor can't be defeated!

[@Lt.Li4m]

Another interesting but awesome video, you should do more videos in the f22

[@duffmangames6997]

Very awesome fight and interesting seeing the new missile tactics here. It sure would be cool to see some hot WWII action again. perhaps IL2??

[@AWJFunk]

F35 would be the more likely companion for a superhornet with 174Bs. They can sit 100+miles away and sling missiles at targets. Pretty cool. But as others have said, probably not going to be used in a fight like this. Take down awacs etc

[@knndyskful]

The whole time I’m like, who had the warriors death? But I should’ve known, Raptor reigns supreme ❤🇺🇸

[@Gringo111R]

Should’ve closed to AMRAAM range for his last AIM-174 shot. Would’ve been impossible to escape.

[@codychild2665]

Great video, GS !

[@docpdpaco1]

It would be interesting to do this same set up, but with other stealth fighters from countries

[@MarioSeoane]

I think the Navy will use them passively, by triangulation, using two IRST21 pods in a couple of SH, to geolocate stealth fighters and direct the missile until the end without the use of radar.

[@Rationalific]

Really intense long-range fight on both sides!

[@kolideoskope]

I miss the tacview debrief

[@stevensrhester8594]

A real cat and mouse battle. You were "Iceman" and let the other guy make the mistake.

[@sergio_81]

F22 baby!!!

[@ItzRetro2019]

i get so excited when i see F22 videos

[@jessejacobsen01]

Awesome fight! Would love to see you play this from the F-18 Aim-174B side/

[@ROFLtheWAFL]

GS hoping his AMRAAMs shoot down the AIM-174Bs makes me wonder if the Peregrine missile in development could be used as a self defense missile. Raptor could carry 4 AIM-260s and 4 Peregrines (assuming two Peregrines can fit where one AIM-120/260 is mounted), use the AIM-260s offensively, and maybe use the Peregrine to shoot down enemy missiles.

[@otterconnor942]

17 minutes with a f22 is really good

[@TJWhite-en3mq]

A fun fight might be a standoff standoff: F/A-18 with the AIM-174 against an F-14 with some Phoenixes. Old school vs new school.

[@arkie87]

every time you end with an obligatory bay flash and it gets me every time

[@BuckshotGeorge755]

Bravo!

[@slimj091]

2 hornets with Aim-174b's vs 1 Raptor would be spicy.

[@jasonvick55]

GS…how is the Raptor’s radar compared to the Eagles? In your experience.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

in reality I have no idea, in DCS it's much stronger.

[@jasonvick55]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I should have clarified that I meant in DCS. Thanks GS

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

my pleasure sir.

[@thomasstuder1624]

If you shoot and notch you are actively dragging the bandit's missile out of the path of your Amraam.

[@DavidK-Delta]

The F15EX would make the most of those 174B's. Long range radar, increased thrust, stronger airframe, all make those missiles more effective. 😁🤩

[@PlanesAR]

Had plans, Now I don’t

[@the_algo_rhythm]

Every GS video is an automatic click and like. Always quality content 👍

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I appreciate you, thank you

[@poco5501]

You have very interesting videos of the new missiles. Please tell me. Where can I get mods for aircraft and missiles that you show in the videos? I would very much like to evaluate F-22 and F-18 with these missiles in TacView.

[@alanwalliser3334]

If he had roughly double the MAR, why wouldn't he have let you close to that fire his last missile or two.... since you had to eventually. Maybe fire off an Amraam instead of that last 174 to fool you.

[@gamlaman]

Now I'm wondering what happens when you strap one of these missiles... on the Raptor. Or the F35. Maybe that could be a super interesting fight, F35 with SM-6 vs F22 with AMRAAMs.

[@samarmohanty6109]

The 4th missile he lunch should have a amram while holing 1 SM6

[@jimreynolds2837]

I love seeing Super Hornet videos.

[@barbaros99]

11:55 - My dude, if you utterly failed to hit him at 18 miles, you are absolutely not going to do it at 20+.

[@jmtpolitico80]

Good Fight!!!

[@RyzawaCh]

When the missile you're fending off has a bigger RCS than you...

[@Jerimiah10]

I still dont get why the Hornet wouldn't climb and take more advantage of the standoff range knowing you cant close while he is firing 174b's at you.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Because if he climbs he will be in range of my AMRAAMs cuz I can see him as he is not stealth I can shoot at him outside the range that he can detect me. Only way to bring me in closer so he can detect me is to stay low altitude (reducing my missiles range)

[@Jerimiah10]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Is it that big of a margin though? Also you detected him at about 40 miles anyway. Could he have detected you farther out if he had greater altitude?

[@Jerimiah10]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Sorry, Never mind. I understand now. Its all about the range of the F18 tracking radar. Being higher up would only compound the issue.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I know I could have seen him from as far as 80-120 miles if I wanted to, I only saw him at 50+ miles cuz thats when I turned my radar on and looked for him. He on the other hand did not detect me until about 37 miles and thats with all the help he was getting. So ya I believe the margins are pretty large. If he was flying at 30000 feet, I would have gone up there with him, launched at 60 miles and he would have died before he even saw a blip of me on his radar.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes this is correct, apologies if my first explanation was not clear.

[@KBKriechbaum]

How can these missiles see the F-22 so well? Should their radar not be a lot less powerful?

[@Mobius118]

Agreed

[@theshados4290]

Day 31 of F-4 VS. Viggen

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

As far as I'm aware the missile should have the same seeker as the newest AMRAM, so to defeat the detection should be the same apart from the energy.

[@andersjjensen]

Isn't in an AMRAAM C seeker, not D?

[@rattleheadx]

A quick reminder: Ingesting camels and cacti WILL void the warranty on those engines.

[@CNCMatrix]

I'd LOVE to see this same fight, but with the F-14 carrying the 174's instead.

[@lantinian]

The F-22 was designed to fight at 50,000 while flying Mach 1.5 Why not try how that works?

[@davidcastillo743]

You going to do amy vids on the Block III Hornet?

[@xxZerosumxx]

Have you ever gone up against an opponent without knowing which plane it is, the amount of missiles, and which missiles it has?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

No because the RWR will tell u what he is (using his radar signature) and his missiles don’t matter because you just assume worst case scenario you assume he’s carrying the best missiles he can carry.

[@redstoneking4677]

The hornet should have fired his aim120 before firing his last aim174, that way he could have given you false information on what missile he shot before firing his last aim 174 at a much closer range which could having given him the win, great fight tho

[@Mobius118]

I was thinking the same thing