SUZELLE vs MANSUR - fails to clarify Islamic claim regarding: Isaiah

Disucssion with Mansur. ‪@SamDawahChannel‬‪@DawahWise‬
Upon hearing numerous Muslim Daw'ah advising that Muhammed pbuh was mentioned in the Holy Bible and ISAIAH 29:12 is mentioned as a source, it was time to ask a well known Islamic Dawah br. for his opinion.
Isaiah 29:11-12 - both verses should be read 'together' and not how Muslim apologists interpret it by just reading the 2nd part of the paragraph i.e (29:12).
1. According to Isaiah 29:11 - the book was given 'by' Men to 'literate men' whom could not open the book it for it was sealed. Therefore, if this applied to Muhammed that the Qur'an after it was written, was given by men - this means the Qur'an would 'not' have been able to be MEMORISED by men (for it was sealed).
Muslims use Isaiah 29:12 (the 2nd part of the paragraph) - to assert that Muhammed was the illiterate.
Isaiah 29:11 - And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isaiah 29:12 - And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
This narrative is taught by the Daw'ah Team and Imaams as Fact, when it is clear - they did not fully scrutinize exactly what they were trying to pass on as 'Truth' because it was for them, a seemingly okay sounding' fabrication they can teach to non-knowledgeable people - thus making themselves sound intelligent, when in fact - they have done the opposite and exposed themselves as false preachers, grapsing at anything they can that may sound half convincing to unlearned people.
Original source - • Brother Mansur respond... - ISAIAH 29:11-12: Br. Mansur responds to a woman asking about the Prophet's prophecy pbuh in Isaiah.
MANSUR fails to properly answer a question that online internet Dawah Muslims boast about #SPEAKERSCORNER #EFDawah #suzelle

[@peterrawlinson935]

Suzelle101, that particular passage from Isaiah is now thoroughly examined by a certain Muslim from Poland. He is proving in his exstensive research that a Greek word under textual form χιρα (Hira) was originally written in Isaiah 29:12 according to Codex Sinaiticus (4th century AD), and in result it appears that the meaning of the whole verse was: "And this Book will be delivered in Hira [to] an illiterate man, and one shall say to him: 'Read this, and he shall say: 'I’m not learned." You can read it here: www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

[@Suzelle]

Isaiah 29:11-12 - should be read together, not separate, where it say's: which men will deliver (KJV) version to the learned AND the unlearned. Nothing about this verse releases to Muhammed. Likewise, the Quran going forward is said to be memorised, which goes against the passage Isaiah 29:11 being given to the learned whom say: 'They cannot read it for it is sealed'.

[@seekthetruth762]

@@Suzelle it's separate not together according to Christian's scholars Watch Adnan Rashid vs Goodwin Godwin is saying it's together but Adnan use Christian scholars it's not together. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJW6dJenm9R-ZqM

[@nadeemahmed7060]

That True!!! Codex Sinaiticus is world oldest bible, that discovered in 1800s... The word χιρα (Hira) is mentioned in Isaiah 29:12. But it was later changes by scribes by adding Greek alphabets epsilon (ε) and sigma (ς), which changes the entire word from χιρα (Hira) --> χειραϲ (hands). Thus it becomes " And this book shall be given into the hands of a man that is unlearned....But later this changed & corrupted word χειραϲ (hands) too removed from Bible, to completely removed evidence about Muhammad!....... All thanks to world oldest bible, that tell us how changes are done Isaiah 29:19 over centuries to hide the truth! Note: Prophet Muhammad received revelation in Hira from Angel Giberial!

[@Suzelle]

Why is it not read together. Seems perfectly locical to me that they are one paragraph? Also, I have asked Jewish scholars whom was spoken about in Isaiah with ref. to that verse, and 1 answer was: Isaiah did not know whom he was prophecising about, so how was Muhammed mentioned according to you? Thanks, Suzelle

[@NK-mp5xp]

Read deut 33 there cant be a much clear prophcy than that one in the whole bible

[@abdullahthebutcher2275]

that guy Mansur could not handle Suzelle not even on his best day.

[@samisam7190]

handle ???/ you mean engage her in debate ,, what does handle her mean ??/ is she a hand full loooooooool

[@mohammedjafer8933]

She just cut some middle video

[@abdullahthebutcher2275]

@@samisam7190 hey this suzelle is no walk around the park many Muslims fear her. she's not like that stupid lady hatum that all she says is there are holes without knowing what she's talking about.

[@abdullahthebutcher2275]

@@mohammedjafer8933 yeah but she has challenge hijab and Ali and they don't want none. I think she can beat ali dawah in a debate but not hijab he's to much for her.