Would You Lie or Tell The Truth? - The Last of Us Episode 9 Reaction

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Suzy & Steejo react to The Last of Us TV show. The Last of Us is an American post-apocalyptic drama television series created by Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann for HBO. Based on the 2013 video game developed by Naughty Dog, the series follows Joel (Pedro Pascal), a smuggler tasked with escorting the teenage Ellie (Bella Ramsey) across a post-apocalyptic United States.
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[@darth856]

The giraffe was real. The background was CGI though.

[@thomasmain5986]

A excellent point was made that the fireflies Marlene, asked Joel what would Ellie do given a choice. She would probably sacrifice herself. But the Fireflies never asked Ellie they sedated her and then prepared to kill her without asking her.

[@danielleyoung3133]

It's Ashley Johnson yall, and that girl deserves all the praise. She's amazing as ellies voice actor but insane as ellies mom for the short few times she's in this. And since you haven't had kids let me explain yes she was still connected to the imbillical cord just long enough to get a small amount of the virus in her because it's in the blood stream and everything that's in mom immediately starts going into the baby via the cord and that's what made her immune. That house was her teams base that's why she went their. She was looking for her team members and best friend. She was waiting for them to return to take the baby that's why she had the knife to her throat, in case she started turning before they got bk and took ellie

[@jedidiahwormley3967]

To be honest guys, I totally forgot you were watching this. That shows how long it's been. But nice to see you finishing things for a change.

[@simonspoke]

The world took everything from Joel, so he took everything away from the world. Yes, it was a real giraffe. 👍🦒 And you only shave the heads of people you want to keep alive...😳😂

[@leisastalnaker3790]

I think that she cut the umbilical cord with the same knife she killed the clicker with.

[@RJ_____________]

i'm so happy to see your reactions to this final episode of the first season. to me it was a phenomenal show. i loved. and i also loved to hear you guys thougths on this episode. i'm more than ok with the number of infecteds that appeared on this series. i liked that they chose to focus more in the drama between the characters.

[@evanbaracuda]

It’s my theory when Ellie’s mom was bit it was a very short time until then her cord was cut that just a small amount of the virus got into her. Not enough to entirely infect her, but just enough for Ellie’s body to make enough antibodies to fight it off.

[@jhornacek]

Joel didn't wipe out the entire Fireflies group - just this one base. The Fireflies have bases all over the country. In the first episode Marlene tells Ellie "I'm the leader of the Firefly base in Boston." So even if Joel killed all these Firefly soldiers and the doctor that was going to perform the surgery, there are still other Firefly groups around the country with other soldiers and doctors there.

[@alexs1640]

I'm pretty sure a lot of them from around the country went to Utah and either died in the process of traveling or got killed by Joel. Spoilers for Part 2 of the game, but they're pretty much gone according to Abby and Owen

[@jhornacek]

@@alexs1640 I haven't played TLOU2 yet but the game and show tell us that there are Firefly bases all over the country. Marlene and her group left Boston and went to Utah, and most of her group died in the journey. And then Joel killed most of them there, but that was just the Utah group (and Marlene and whoever survived the trip from Boston). There are Firefly groups all over the country that didn't come to Utah - it was just Marlene and her group from Boston.

[@RJ_____________]

i would not need to lie or tell the truth because first of all i would never did what joel did. Ellie wanna to be the Cure. Joel took that from her. he did not let her be the possible Cure.

[@jhornacek]

Druckmann said that when they tested the original game, of the people that weren't parents about 50% agreed with Joel's choice. And of the people that were parents, about 90% of them agreed with Joel's choice. Joel doesn't care about saving the world. He only cares about Ellie.

[@d3l3tes00n]

Truth. It's her decision.. no one else's.

[@Silver_Owl]

Ellie didn't give clear consent though. Marlene and Joel were both wrong, because both of them failed to involve Ellie in a choice that was purely Ellie's. Saying you want to help is not the same as saying yes, go ahead and kill me right now. If Marlene had told her exactly what was going on, and Ellie had said yes, then yeah - Ellie's choice. (Some people do argue whether she's old enough to make that choice, and I can understand that argument, but I think it's a moot point, because she didn't get to choose.) Marlene didn't tell her, and that makes all the difference.

[@jhornacek]

@@d3l3tes00n Some would say that as a minor Ellie could not give consent, and that her guardian would have to give that consent. In the game Ellie has known Marlene all her life, so Marlene would likely be considered her guardian. Joel has been taking care of her for less-than a year - he doesn't have legal standing. Of course, those are rules and guidelines from a pre-Cordyceps world. Even as a 14-year-old Ellie has seen and done things that most adults in the pre-Cordyceps world have not.

[@jhornacek]

@@Silver_Owl Ellie literally has no choice here. Say the Fireflies had told her everything and said "It's up to you." What if Ellie had said no? Would the Fireflies agree with that and let her go? Of course not, they would have gone through with the surgery anyway. So in the Fireflies' eyes there was no point in telling Ellie the truth and giving her a choice since it didn't matter what she chose. In the game you can find recordings of Marlene where she says that the Fireflies came to her to authorize the surgery on Ellie, but it was really a formality. If Marlene had said no then the Fireflies would have gone through with it anyway (and probably fired Marlene as their leader).

[@dewantoroo]

We sometimes forget that joel is not 100% a good guy. So his selfish decision wasn't a surprise for me (even when i played the game back then). And I don't really blame him... with his past and everything that he been through.

[@jhornacek]

In the game Joel says multiple times that he's not a good guy. After the ambush in Pittsburgh Ellie asks him how he knew it was an ambush and he says "I've been on both sides." Ellie says "Oh ... so did you kill many innocent people?" and Joel doesn't respond. Plus there's Tommy describing the things he and Joel did after the outbreak. Tommy feels haunted by those things.

[@d3l3tes00n]

@@jhornacek He's a good guy who's done bad things.

[@jhornacek]

@@d3l3tes00n Joel is not a good guy - we are shown (and told) that multiple times in the game. When Tess says "We're shitty people" Joel says "No, we are survivors!"

[@leisastalnaker3790]

I didn’t play the game, so this was all new to me and brilliantly done. ❤❤❤

[@ajnunez8788]

Play the game. Executes everything from the show so much better.

[@terrellthaddies7867]

@@ajnunez8788 It was still good

[@Shuy-vw9br]

I'd do the same as Joel. The cure wouldn't turn some people "better" in this world. So I'd choose be selfish too. 😁

[@alexs1640]

There are monsters living right now in our current world too. Doesn't mean you give up on it.

[@jozx713]

oh sh!t! I thought this was Game of Thrones, lol

[@ducktape160]

Check the credits, Abby’s voice actor was one of the nurses

[@user-uy9tw2zb6g]

Ellie gave birth to Ellie

[@DinosaurNick]

I waited so long I forgot I was watching y'all lmao

[@CT-Throws-Down]

I agree with Steejo that there could've been more Infected, at least to a point. Though if the show was heavily tilted towards Infected peril and away from its emotional story telling, then I think it would be worse off for it in my book. Though it is a good point that conflict with the Infected is a bit too sparse for the world they are portraying. I cannot think of any story elements they could have eliminated in favor of another Infected set piece. Rather, I wish they would have added a 10th episode that was dedicated to Joel and Ellie vs. Infected. Having done so would have gone a long way towards getting the balance right.

[@RJ_____________]

i can already say that today is the best day of my week just because of this video.

[@reshopheda4616]

Well Joel lost his Child at the beginning...He doesnt want to lose another one...I totally understand him

[@leisastalnaker3790]

If under 18 years in the USA, you are still considered a pediatric patient.

[@carriesmith742]

They shot in Canada. A lot of the makeup work and CGI take up a lot of budget along with set design, making things look the waty they do. The gifaffes were real. You guys should rea t to Succession with Brian Cox next. Im almost finished binging it only 8 days so far. Still on the final season though.

[@YukonBloamie]

27:27 I shot them all too. I thought that was what Joel would've wanted 😂 Well, wasn't it? 😐

[@LokmanSalikoon]

Hear me out, what if the infection was actually from the knife that cut the umbilical cord that was also used to kill the infected...

[@jarronkhan3641]

Tell you what happened in Divergent series end? I expect him to act out all the roles for us.

[@kevinboudreaux7860]

Maybe the games explained it better, but why didn’t they just take a small biopsy and use it to test the hypothesis? Cause the way that the show presents it, I’m totally on Joel’s side with everything he does in the episode. They don’t know this will actually work

[@jhornacek]

They don't need a sample of Ellie's brain - they need the Cordyceps growth inside her brain. So doing a biopsy on a piece of her brain would do nothing. It's like being given a snowball and told "there's a piece of string inside of it - remove the string." There's no way to do it without tearing the snowball apart.

[@kevinboudreaux7860]

@@jhornacek i guess, but like i said, there has to have been a way to test their hypothesis without just ripping her apart before they even had proof of concept. if what you're saying is correct, then i still say that they could have scanned her brain and found the right spot for the fungus and taken samples from it to use for experiments that could prove the concept. at that point, it becomes an ethical issue.

[@d3l3tes00n]

@@kevinboudreaux7860 They probably don't have the equipment.

[@kevinboudreaux7860]

@@d3l3tes00n possibly, but i wouldn't be willing to kill her on an off chance for a cure. if she is the only hope, then the medical staff would need to be extremely careful with her life. this is not something that anyone could afford to waste.

[@jhornacek]

@@d3l3tes00n They've been working on a cure for ~20 years. They have probably been scrounging for lab and medical equipment for all of that time. If there's any equipment they need to try to find a cure, they probably have it.

[@paramitch]

I get that you guys wanted more Infected presence, but honestly if there had been, they would have had to sacrifice a lot more story and character moments, so to me it was the right call. The Infected are also definitely NOT "not a problem, anymore" it's just that raiders/killers are an equal problem (which was a big point of the game and show -- that the worst humans are worse than any monsters). I agree with you that the final "Surgery ASAP!" scene is really stupid from a scientific standpoint. There is zero way any scientist on the planet would encounter an immune person and decide "we must instantly kill her!" versus studying, testing, taking biopsies, etc. I had the same issue in the game. But I get that the point of it really isn't the science -- it's what they force Joel to do. To answer to Suzi's question -- the door to the house was still locked because the Infected bashed into the house (we heard it) versus using the locked door. It sounded like it used a window. Meanwhile, I thought Ashley Johnson was fantastic in the opening scene -- you asked if she's done anything besides voice acting, and in addition to her voice acting for TLOU, she has over 147 IMDB credits, starred in the sitcom "Growing Pains," and appeared in "ER," "Wings," "Ally McBeal," "Roswell," and dozens more, and was also in The Avengers. She is currently starring in "Critical Role" and voiced Pike in their "The Legend of Vox Machina" TV series. She's fabulous. (And Laura Bailey, who won a BAFTA for voicing Abby in TLOU2 just like Ashley won for TLOU1, also stars in "Critical Role," and appeared as a nurse in the operating room scene here.)

[@russmodeste]

The bloater also wasn't cgi

[@nathanunitedheilbron5676]

To actors who where both in game of thrones

[@adrianneagoe3652]

Are they doing house of the dragon next?

[@Julini89]

Ashley Berch I am insulted :P it is Miss Ashley Johnson thank you very much :D

[@jeronwashington1536]

I need to play the game, i have never played it or The Last Of Us 2

[@watsonsd1]

Who are you talking about when you talk about a bitten guy chopping his arm off and not turning? I don't recall that in either game.

[@SuzySteejo]

In the Left Behind DLC when you are in the snowy mall there are a number of notes mentioning soldiers. One of them was bitten in the arm and they quickly chopped it off. There was then an argument between them about whether or not just to kill him anyway, the guy then ran away and hid in the ventilation. You then find him in the ventilation as a skeleton with one arm, there's a note on the corpse saying that he didn't turn but instead hints that he died weeks later from either a wound infection or starvation (can't remember which it was) -Steejo

[@watsonsd1]

@@SuzySteejo Thanks. I had totally forgotten that.

[@clarejean3309]

Lie or tell the truth? I would tell Ellie the truth, even if she gets real mad at me later. But I loved your reaction to this show, I played the game more than once and I loved how much of it they kept in. Will Steejo play last of us 2 next before season 2 comes out? But my favorite episode was definitely episode 2, with how intense it was and the clickers revealing. They had no business making the show this good, the last time I remember enjoying a video game adaption, it was tomb raider (2000) with angelina Jolie in it. Have a great week.

[@jhornacek]

Joel knows that Ellie would hate him if he told her the truth. The post-giraffe conversation told him that Ellie would sacrifice herself to save humanity. But Joel won't let that happen, even if it means lying to her.

[@clarejean3309]

@@jhornacek very true.

[@d3l3tes00n]

@@jhornacek Too much selfishness. He fucked up.

[@jhornacek]

@@d3l3tes00n Oh, it's definitely a selfish decision. Joel wants Ellie to live for herself, but more for himself. He has just opened up his heart to care for someone as a father after being shutoff for 20 years. If Ellie died it would destroy Joel and he probably wouldn't want to go on.

[@WLDB]

I'd tell the truth. Other than that, as a father I am totally cool with what Joel does. If saving the world means my child dies - fuck the world.

[@darthdracul8372]

In honesty, I don’t know what I would’ve done. Obviously I guess it’s not true for anyone of us.

[@mrjonsey]

I’d tell her the truth but I wouldn’t regret what I did, if I were Joel.

[@paulsavage2020]

The nurse in the background looked like a cameo of abby

[@josiahburkhardsmeier3119]

That’s because it is! That is Laura Bailey, the actress who voices and does the mocap of Abby.

[@lexlewis550]

I swear…🥺

[@nltoriola89]

Ellie is played by Ashley Johnson.

[@aaronfannin8971]

7:57 What's an un-biblical cord?

[@shadowproductions969]

umbilical cord.. it's what goes into your stomach through your belly button to feed you as a baby from your mother.

[@aaronfannin8971]

@@shadowproductions969 I know what an umbilical cord is. I was asking about the mispronounced "un-biblical" cord... it was just a joke.

[@Ragazar]

Early gang :D Also finally lol. Slowpokes ;)

[@sombathkhem1880]

I love your reaction i was thinking can you react to one piece live action?

[@CrazeeAdam]

Lol... Suzy doesn't like or empathize with Abby.. She didn't get pt. 2... Anyways i enjoyed all your reactions still!! I agree with Steejo though, part of growing with the characters is exploring yourself. Also actually doing the actions yourself will always connect you more with the characters than watching and only watching. You ARE both Joel and Ellie in the game so you are connected with them in a deeper way. Not to say I didn't fully enjoy the show. I did. But I get the criticism in the end.

[@SuzySteejo]

Have you watched my playthrough of the 2nd game? I got SO MUCH hate at the time because I was one of the few who ended up on Abbys side. I just make jokes about how others saw it is all. - Suz

[@agffans5725]

Better late than never. The reason why Marlene did not tell Ellie anything before surgery, is because in hope of a cure, they would have killed here no matter what she would have answered or agreed to, no matter how small a chance that it would have worked anyway, when you only have one shot at this, and not being able to make any tests, because Ellie would be the only test sample in any case. At the start of both episode 1 and 2, we are told by experts that finding a cure for this is impossible, and later we are told that they have failed many times before. With all that in mind, any sane parent would have done everything to save their child, exactly like Joel did. There would also be no reason to have any trust in the science of this broken a world, full of religious nuts and ruthless fanatics constantly fighting to control the QZ's. It's the lies at the end, and so leaving her no choice at all, that makes his decisions comparable to Marlene's. Btw, Marlene defeat her own argument of Joel not being able to keep Ellie alive and from being "ripped apart" by the infected in the future anyway, because if she really believed being immune is little to no guarantee, and do not really help Ellie from being killed, then what is the point of killing her in an attempt to make other people immune but equally in great risk of being killed by the already infected anyway.

[@Silver_Owl]

I agree with this. Marlene wasn't likely to take no for an answer - although we never actually found out, because she didn't give Ellie a choice. Marlene and Joel both let Ellie down by keeping information from Ellie that she had a right to know. I like your argument that Joel had no reason to trust the science here - that's a good point, as is your pointing out that Marlene defeats her own argument. Excellent comment.

[@agffans5725]

@@Silver_Owl ... In episode 2, when Elli wakes up and reveal to Joel and Tess that she is the secret for making a cure, Joel do not believe in it at all, because finding a cure has been promised and failed so many times before. So he is a non-believer, not so much in Ellie being immune (otherwise he would have shot her on the spot), but he do not really believe they are able to make a cure.

[@Silver_Owl]

@@agffans5725 Agreed, and another good point. It makes his reaction to Marlene's plans even more understandable. To him, they want to murder his daughter for nothing.

[@jeronwashington1536]

Ashley Johnson plays Ellie in the game

[@jedidiahwormley3967]

To be clear, I know you finish some things. But some things you don't (cough Persona 5 Royal).

[@SuzySteejo]

This is true. - Suz 😅

[@bernardsalvatore1929]

I AGREE WITH THE YOUNG LADY CUZ I ALSO THOUGHT THE SAME THING WHEN I SAW THAT SCENE, THAT IT WAS KIND OF QUICK!! I GUESS THE RUNNING THEORY IS THAT A SMALL AMOUNT, A MINISCULE AMOUNT OF THE FUNGUS GOT INTO THE BABY BUT BECAUSE AN INFANT HAS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM MUCH BETTER/STRONGER THAN AN ADULT HUMAN, IT WAS ABLE TO STAVE OFF TURNING INTO A FULL-BLOWN INFECTED!! THAT'S THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT SEEMS VIABLE!!

[@theCommentDevil]

Gotta go with the truth here. The lie is too selfish for me.

[@jhornacek]

Ellie would never forgive Joel if he told her the truth.

[@steve8510]

To be fair if you are weighing the fate of humanity against one person then that person should be toast, even on a hunch, and it was a bit more than a hunch.