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[@AMITAWAGHADE]

Between Switch 2 running Matrix demo and iPhone supposedly getting console ports of RE4 and AC: Mirage, I think we are either headed for a handheld revolution or a massive joke.

[@ekoms108]

Lol u guys are crazy, acting like the Steam Deck doesn't exist.

[@ivanramos1809]

​@@ekoms108steam deck did not started anything 😂😂. Steam deck excist thanks to the switch success

[@GEREIKAT]

@@ekoms108 It only exists for PC mega nerds. The Switch has outsold it 50:1. It's a niche product. Switch is mainstream.

[@XhoowieX]

​@@ekoms108have you seen the sales numbers of the Steam Deck compared with iPhones or the Switch? It's a great piece of kit, but most normal people don't know it exists.

[@とふこ]

Yeah. Actually snapdragon 8 gen 2 is stronger than the chip in the steam deck, just almost literally no game using it's full potential. When epic citadel released I thought console quality games will coming to mobile, and after some title still almost no console quality games available on mobile (literally one or two bigger game in every year gets mobile release)

[@Luizanimado]

I hope the switch 2 is more powerful than my will to live.

[@benszone1879]

You have potential dude! Everybody does

[@nicholasdelucca]

Hey don't be like that, don't give Nintendo such a low bar to beat 😂

[@pleasuretokill]

For me, they accomplished that with the SNES 😅

[@Luizanimado]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Luizanimado]

🤣🤣🤣

[@crday3090]

As long as Switch 2 is as powerful as a PS4 Pro, I'll be happy

[@spoilofthelamb]

I wouldn't mind a camera, though it would increase the price somewhat for everyone....those AR minigames on 3DS were pretty fun. But you'd need two rear-facing cameras to make it work. AR tetris, pokedex, and that mystery horror game were all nice to have.

[@MORJDK]

Nintendo. Now youre playing with HOPEFULLY power AGAIN.

[@pokepress]

“playing with power” would be perfect with the Switch finger snap. Maybe.

[@Yusei255]

That was the slogan for the nes wasn't it. Or was that the power glove.

[@MORJDK]

@@Yusei255 it was their general slogan back then.

[@theremix54]

7:39 This is one of the best points I have ever heard made in a youtube video. Serious props to this guy.

[@Kyt2024]

I would say the difference between his scenario and what we got from The Witcher and Doom 2016 on Switch however is that the developer sources who have leaked this information have claimed it to looks/plays comparable to the PS5 version. I get that doesn't mean it's equal in power, I get that doesn't mean there aren't compromises, but it does indicate they are not obvious compromises like we saw with those 2 switch titles.

[@gunayorbay]

oliver said the same thing just a hot min ago

[@nxrevolution3289]

@@Kyt2024yep

[@bobby.palacios]

Yeah I agree. His argument doesn’t make sense considering the reports are coming from people who SAW the software running.

[@dsidsidsi1000]

@@bobby.palaciosyea but how would they know it looks like the ps5 version?

[@MediumQuality]

Thanks for continuing to make this technical information (mostly) accessible for us normies. I would be really interested in seeing more about this Tegra T239 chip.

[@meteor1522]

Things are very different than when Nintendo launched Switch. There are many competitors with same form factor and Nintendo knows they need a powerful hardware so they can keep supporting it for another LONG cycle. They just can’t get away with a “slight” hardware bump the form factor novelty is over and they definitely need something on par with Series S.which is possible.

[@Spencerwalker21]

That and it needs to be pretty good to get console ports they barely scrapped by with the og switch.

[@erickalvarez6486]

Nah, I don't think Nintendo is supporting crappy optimized games, the best Nintendo sellers are Nintendo's own games

[@phattjohnson]

Series X has a worse GPU than my ONE X :P I think they just need to ensure that slow laptop-spec DDR4 RAM isn't the bottleneck in the Switch 2 and use an integrated GDDR6 pipeline or similar so it can at least PRETEND to play with the big boys :P

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@erickalvarez6486 yes but the switch sold well because in the first years they had not only great first party games but third party ports as well. Not asking for a 4k PS5 device but Nintendo can easily power past something like the steam deck at a good price point.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@erickalvarez6486 just don't want another phone CPU I'm hoping Nintendo meets me halfway. I've got the switch didn't care for it barely used it and the games are way more expensive then games I get on steam to play on my deck.

[@traesmit3680]

If Nintendo switch has the same power of the steam deck or equivalent, that's amazing, especially with the optimization

[@Spencerwalker21]

It should be a lot more powerful then the deck from what I can gather the new switch would be a PS5 level of performance but at lower resolutions

[@MrIndiemusic101]

​​​​@@Spencerwalker21I took away it would be the opposite. I doubt the same game on PS5 will have the same graphical fidelity on switch (aa, texture filtering, model quality, texture quality etc) but will match resolution via DLSS and FSR3. It will probably have a smaller Gap in graphical fidelity than switch 1 but I doubt it will match it, at the end of the day that CPU and GPU has limited power to work with vs a machine you plug in to the wall socket.

[@traesmit3680]

@MrIndiemusic101 maybe it could be like the psp, (if ya know what I mean) which was a powerful portable system

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@MrIndiemusic101 the switch was in-between a ps3-and PS4 there's no way the switch 2 isn't a decent bit better than a steam deck. Could be closer to the series s then a PS5 but even then that trounces the deck. I'm a deck fan boy love the deck btw and am eagerly awaiting a steam deck 2 in a couple years.

[@garethlloyd1445]

Plus Nintendo will want to make it affordable to the consumer. They have proved countless times they don't need a powerful system to sell consoles. They will know that the switch did run 3rd party albeit not that great but good enough. Nintendo probably are looking at how they can bring a switch console predecessor that can run new 3rd party games without the need to be as powerful as ps5 or xbox series. To me a lot of 3rd party games today look like they could be on ps4 and not ps5. Nintendo could easily bring out a switch 2 with the power of xbox one x and have no problems running new games. Remember we had some games running better on the xbox One x than the xbox series s. Also the switch was mainly used as a handheld console. Some I know have never docked there's to their tv. The switch was really just a handheld only device that in a way, replaced their handheld consoles more than it replaced the Wii U as that was a failure. So I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo didn't bother with a docking station meaning they would need the necessary power to run their games in 4k resolution. Like I said. They could make a xbox one x or ps4 pro and just have a nice big oled 1080p screen. Nintendo gamers don't care about 4k or big tv gaming. They can get that from xbox or playstation. And it needs to be affordable for their target audience.

[@jordanf.6213]

If the new Nintendo console is somewhat comparable in power again, that would be tremendously exciting. Especially if it maintained the hybrid handheld thing. My guess for their next gimmick, is expanding on the hybrid nature by having it TV/Handheld but also enabling VR by sliding it into a headset peripheral where the camera and the gyro joycons do the tracking. I could definitely see it. And there are new rumors of them getting back into VR. I think it would fit. Especially when you think about the fact they've done 3D screens with the 3DS

[@phattjohnson]

Comparable in power to what 'again' sorry? The tradeoff in performance (power) between docked and handheld modes you mean?

[@jordanf.6213]

@@phattjohnson No, as in comparable to other consoles. Like sure it'll still be less powerful than a PS5 or Xbox Series X but if rumors are true it'll be the closest in specs to other consoles Nintendo has been since Gamecube.

[@Mrorlgloth]

8nm Samsung = No power 😂

[@korinogaro]

I am seriously worried that what they showed was full capability of the APU but what they will do is throttle it way down just like they did with original Switch just to keep energy consumption low.

[@thelastmastergamer2846]

If it can run matrix awakens it's allready more powerful then a ps4 and an xbox one x

[@Jeff1N]

Worth noting, Steam Deck is able to run The Matrix demo. Not super well, but at lower resolution and settings it's playable. Switch 2 will at least be more power efficient than the Deck, and this time it seems to be using custom built hardware by NVidia (rather than the general purpose Tegra X1) so I wouldn't be surprised if if it was indeed more powerful and could run the demo on decent settings and stable 30fps at 720p. Add the magic of DLSS to upscale that to 1440p and you already get the demo looking similar to what it does on Xbox Series S. Portable mode could have a 1080p screen and still look good with a 540p internal resolution, specially because the small screen could help hide upscaling artifacts

[@neverable2]

Series S and Switch 2 should piggyback off each other for lower floor level optimization. The PS5 would be an issue though due to now bring the system with least hardware based features. The Xboxs have full RDNA 2 support and Switch 2 further past that. At the beginning not so much but further down when clawing for milliseconds.

[@ChrisBa303]

They should really aim for 720 or 900p instead. I dont get why people need 1080p on a $300 mobile console. They should aim for graphical fidelity and framerate instead of boring pixels

[@neverable2]

@Chrisbale13 For some of the effects people demand the native resolution has to be high. UE5 in particular which is counterintuitive to what Switch needs.

[@omegawii]

Remember AMD and their RDNA is still behind what Nvidia does with their architecture.

[@mitchjames9350]

The Steam Deck operates as portable pc instead of a dedicated portable console, if the matrix demo was ported to the steam deck it would run much better.

[@DrNuyenVanFaulk]

The concept of Switch 2 doing BotW at 4k60fps is EVEN MORE plausible considering it was a WiiU title! But Richard’s point about Doom and Witcher are spot on.

[@ooooswain]

I've been playing 4k 144 fps ultrawide botw for a year on pc 😎

[@doovplayz]

@@ooooswainI play it on my steam deck

[@RetroCrisis]

I hope Switch 2 have proper achievements support. I love me some cheevos

[@peterwilkinson1975]

it will have tensor cores if its doing dlss and frame generation, so in theory it "could" do rt. Its prob something like the current consoles where they dont really use it that often because of the performance hit. The new dlss model is trained for rt in mind so who knows. Who knows maybe it will have dedicated rt cores too.

[@SWOTHDRA]

The current consoles have 4 year old hardware inside them. ARM has made huge leaps in power....look at the PC handhelds and Nvidia hasnt hopped into that field yet, but they will and they will dismantle AMD and show how it really is done

[@cowboyliberal4233]

Rt cores are separate from tensor cores. Different cores for different math

[@rafaelroma1657]

Nintendo has always thrived using underpowered/old/cheap hardware. Why would change this strategyat this point? Especially now that they are practically on another realm, with little competition within their niche.

[@Old-Boy_BEbop]

they are pandering to the mobile gaming platform, they not trying to be a triple A competitor to Microsoft and Sony... they are offering a triple a experience to tablets and smartphones. the Japanese culture is in full motion and always on the go, they dont have time to sit at home and play console games 4 to 8 hours straight. the only time they mostly play is when waiting and traveling. you walk into a tech shop and you will see a variety of cheap handheld gaming devices too playing older games. Nintendo consider themselves the king of mobile platform gaming as they dominate that market with their gameboys, 3ds and the switch.

[@ajr12388]

@@Old-Boy_BEbop They were the king of the home console market with the Wii too. They aren't focusing on the mobile segment, they want to capture BOTH the home console market and the portable market, in a singular device that can serve two customers in a single product. The seeds were planted with the failed Wii U to try and capture that concept, but they improved on it with the Switch. No reason to think they would completely abandon the home console market who made them who they are. They simple want to add to it. You are right however, they don't consider Microsoft and Sony as competitors.

[@gangwu4541]

Nintendo used to be the leader of home consoles with advanced chips and all that.

[@TheCrucialQ]

Iwata was behind the Switch, with new leadership the philosophy has changed. So hopefully it translates well, with great backwards compatibility.

[@etherspin]

because they don't want to lose the marketshare the original switch gave them but probably want to get in more AAA 3rd party games by having them at bare minimum look nice in docked mode they shouldn't rest on their laurels but also they shouldn't break too much via any zany gimmicks that could get in the way of simple gaming like second screens, stylus input etc

[@G-J-92]

Personally I think Nvidia is definitely the one to provide the best possible chip with good efficiency for a handheld and cost effective. If they can figure out a way to harness the switch 2 Dock to provide extra cooling, for example, when you dock it pushes a lot more air through an inlet under the switch 2 than they can really increase the chips power making both handheld and TV experience amazing. And as for price, I think the next switch can easily be priced as high as the PS5 and Series X which would allow the performance budget to go alot higher if you compare it todays Switch prices

[@nullgator8073]

I don't think they want the docked/undocked performance to be too different because that would make it harder for devs to target the two profiles. Having docked just being a bit more powerful for better resolution or framerate will probably be what they do

[@Armataan]

Nvidia has never come close to Apple in efficiency at low power. This is common sense. Apple's bread and butter is 7w TDP. So they are going to get very good at building for low wattage. nVidia's bread and butter is 700w machines. So they'll get very good at building for high wattage. BUT, nVidia has some amazingly competent engineers, and given enough time to iterate on their low wattage offerings, we'll see better and better results. Everybody benefits from more competitive markets. I am really looking forward to seeing what they put together.

[@Me-xc5vs]

Nvidia Tegra T239 is 4 TFLOPs with ML chip for DLSS. NVIDIA TFLOPs can sometimes go further with ARM, then with x86 due to the ruduced instruction set support not needed with ARM. TMC 4 and 3 nm is also available now and showcased with Apple devices resently released. The Switch 2 APU could be an enhanced T239 variant, with improved size and power envelope.

[@Mrorlgloth]

4Tflops ?? Lol there is zero change with 8nm Samsung foundry 😂 Even Apple has to lower performance of Apple A17 Pro chipset because still used 3nm finFET.

[@brendansilva9023]

The T234 is 4Tflops at max power, T239 has 75% of the core count, and as well as that, most likely wont be running at max boost clocks as well, leaving it at 768 mhz, or roughly 3/4 of that. I'd say, unless the dock does something major for applying additional cooling, and Nintendo typically being conservative for things like heat etc, we'd probably only see it hit a bit over half that. I'm thinking around 2.3 Tflops of performance. It's also 8nm so it will probably run quite hot in the form factor at full power.

[@gpturismo]

My biggest guess, if they stick with Tegra, is the Tegra Orin, which is Ampere based. There are two models, the Orin NX 32 and NX 16 which aren't used anywhere. On the Wikipedia they weren't originally posted as Orin Kits as there is a Jetson Nano based off of the 64 and 32 AGX Models. With NX being the codename for the switch and the Tegra 1s had NX models, this might be them imo.

[@mistamaog]

IDK if it's true but there's rumors it'll use the latest Ada Lovelace with the latest arm CPU cores

[@lemmelix]

you don't need to guess it's out there. T239 Codename Drake 8x Cortex A78C. 1536 Ampere Cuda cores

[@gfujigo]

It’s a good point that if it’s too weak, 3rd party cannot provide good support to it. Xbox One or PS4 power specs would not work well for 3rd party support over the long term.

[@frankmundo4300]

A ps4 at 5-15 watts total power draw is honestly nuts

[@helmi5045]

Nowadays not really tbh. Can't compare 2013 x86 to 2023 ARM@@frankmundo4300

[@Nu_Merick]

So weird if nintendo is opting for mainly power in their next system, they dropped from that market after GC. I wonder if there will be a "gimmick" that still separates itself from its competitors

[@paulerxx]

Hoping the new console is simple a Switch 2 with better hardware.

[@ChrisCarlos64]

Much of the power here can be in frame generation. Afterall, the modern graphic features like Ray Tracing are even in mobile chips, but something you don't see often because those games want to target a wide audience. I'm willing to bet this system will have some power but it isn't equal to Series X or PS5 exactly. We will see frame generation techniques help it get there and the only thing it will have is not king the gap close but rather provide the features to enable the support of them but doesn't mean it can take advantage of them at the same level as the PS5 or Series X.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The T239 is a mobile chip. It's Ampere, so no DLSS3 frame generation will be possible, but other DLSS features will be.

[@The_MEMEphis]

​@@ChrisCarlos64there already said that it won't support frame generation and even if it did that wouldn't really matter because it sucks going from 30 to 60 using frame generation you need at least a base level of 60 FPS to even use frame generation effectively so it's only a really useful for high refresh rate experiences at lower frame rates there's just too much input delay

[@The_MEMEphis]

​@@ChrisCarlos64it's going to have access to FSR3 the same way Xbox Series x and PlayStation 5 do so all systems are going to have frame generation but it's going to be FSR for regeneration not DLSS

[@OdinPerez]

Mr. Leadbetter is such a wonderful conductor for the DF specials. He is truly a master of his craft, and has been on the trenches since the early 90s to back that argument up. Absolute respect.

[@adams4244]

Nintendo loves low price-points. It also loves to be profitable. It has consistently traded specs for availability/volume at a low price. I highly doubt Switch 2 comes out at $500. Something has to give here - we have nothing on the market currently that operates in the power profile and price to do what this tech demo is suggesting. That being said, I do have faith in a custom made Nvidia arm-based product since I think their mobile chips have always been better than the Snapdragon equivalents, just not for phones.

[@Spencerwalker21]

I think they'll drop OLED and have only 8-10gb of available vram to hit 350$

[@zergilli9719]

Rumor is the Switch 2 will be $400.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

If it's backwards compatible Nintendo could always follow the other console manufacturers and have a standard and premium version.

[@ekoms108]

It's gonna be a Steam Deck but with Nvidia apu. You guys are nuts.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@ekoms108 Nvidia is arm not x86

[@eysan90]

We need a remake of path of neo

[@Fuuntag]

This game was horrible to play but I have mad respect for how buck-wild they went with the rendering features on consoles. Truly, it was madness on the PlayStation 2. ❤

[@eysan90]

Fun as heck

[@jbway86]

Loved that game on GC.

[@printicewhite]

If it is running something like an AMD Z1 then it should be similar to a series S and it could potentially have decent battery while capable of running all of this. Especially if it's optimized specifically for this.

[@hankmoody9965]

they will use NVIDIA, not AMD

[@christianr.5868]

And they’re using arm not x86

[@printicewhite]

@@hankmoody9965 that's what we're expecting, and will likely happen, but I haven't heard any confirmation on that. Nintendo has a strong history with AMD, with the Wii, Wii u, and GameCube. So considering Nvidia hasn't made any arm devices since the switch, and AMD just released a chip for mobile devices this year.

[@spoots1234]

Series S performance is probably doable. I'll have a super wild guess based on how gaming phones operate - The chip runs at 6w in handheld mode and pushes to 28-35w when docked. The dock will likely be redesigned to allow active cooling of the chip

[@cloudboysmusic5223]

thinking they might even have some extra hardware within the dock to boost performance

[@Alexander-ix2jp]

Agree with both of you, the dock will boost performance even further but even in mobile mode it will have to do series S level of visuals at the very least to stay competitive for the next five plus years.

[@AntneeUK]

The chuckles every time you say "hobobench" have brought joy to my day. Thank you 😁

[@lyconxero457]

I’m still waiting for the T239 breakdown video. I’ve heard it referenced more times than I can count but I really don’t know what it is, exactly, so explaining it as it both compares to the Tegra X1 as well as the closed 2000 series card would be quite useful information.

[@DS-cf1zc]

I will take the concept you propose what could run on it, and what we have seen run on the current Switch. Perhaps, just perhaps, the Switch 2 will be the first console to get a working at release version of Cyberpunk 2077.

[@OrbZero]

Would it be possible to implement some sort of “low precision hardware lumen”? Leveraging the RT cores of the GPU instead of using CPU cycles.

[@G4M3RGU1D3]

we should thank Valves Steamdeck and Rog Ally for proving them, portable and powerful can exist.

[@gerowen]

11:45 Does it matter if it has a DX12 feature set since the Switch runs some variation of BSD, which doesn't do DirectX at all?

[@CaioZer0]

Why is Richard looking like Dr. Evil on the thumbnail?

[@e.l.4409]

The thumbnail should have had Richard doing the Dr Evil pinky finger pose.

[@maxjf1]

I hope switch 2 uses an external GPU approach. So the dock would expand the GPU power of the switch while potable would be only an apu that runs on 720

[@HelloMyNameIsZON3]

Cant wait to see what nintendo can put on a even more powerful console especially with how good switch is on such old hardware

[@Yusei255]

Might not be a handheld though

[@helmi5045]

Yeah sure Nintendos definitely gonna give up their most profitable market and throw the very popular form factor in the trash bin lol@@Yusei255

[@WWIIKittyhawk]

I have a portal which I love, but it’s a streaming device. I’d definitely get on if it can do what the portal can but natively

[@brendansilva9023]

I don't think it would hit the raw power of the Series S, but will probably rely a lot on DLSS and 3, and maybe some other magic we haven't seen quite yet that well in the PC space. Low internal resolutions with good upsampling implementation and frame gen is my bet but not sure exactly how they might get around input latency.. maybe enhance nvidia reflex that integrates into frame gen as well? I expect Nvidia might be going all out on trying new things, considering the Switch's success to do something on a low foot print that would be harder to break into on existing ecosystems like PC. Also wondering on the possibility of docked 4k output, but possibly lower internal res, dlss to 1080p or 1440p with checkerboard or temporal reconstruction to 4k as well, even lower handheld, but just DLSS to 720p or 1080p. I think given Nvidia's direction there could be some pretty cool possibilities enhancing existing tech in a closed ecosystem. I'd say the hardware is already locked in, and given the state of current mobile chips, it might possibly hit from 1 - 3 ( suspect around 1.4 tflops for handheld and around 2.3 for docked ) Tflops of raw performance from handheld to docked etc, but will utilise these techniques to help bridge that gap. Even then there would definitely still be compromises in some visual fidelity. I wonder if AI could also be used with frame gen, maybe frame enhance to artificially up settings such as shadows, textures etc as well, so it's really rendering at lowest presets but can make it look equivalent to ultra presets. I suspect for things like that the tensor load would probably too high for what would be currently feasible however considering the lower power draw requirements but fun to think of. Ultimately it wont hit Series S, but better upscaling, some possible limited AI, realistically wouldn't expect more than 60 tensor cores which would limit what it could push in terms of anything but DLSS, even frame gen probably out, and maybe even a 720p handheld res tartget again are a possibility. Also wonder if the dock might contain some cheaky tensor cores for more AI driven upsampling from that point as well. What happens when you upsample a DLSS image with another DLSS... DLSS to 1080p, then the dock does that to 4k haha.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

Given DLSS and FG are hardware accelerated, coupled with this is a console, seems they could make latency less of a factor than on a PC with all of the other variables. It could actually be a non-issue on a console.

[@oilerguy5494]

Why even bother releasing a console that’s not as powerful as a series s in 2024?

[@glenwaldrop8166]

@@oilerguy5494 You do realize this is portable, battery powered, right?

[@brendansilva9023]

I dunno can carry and play it around without a TV? same with Switch. There are limits in mobile hardware and other limits on top of that to actually keep the cost down. Nintendo aren't going to release something as expensive as the Rog Ally or Steam deck etc. I'd say portable mode would hit around steam deck levels at least, and more for dock, and $299 - $349 USD. A lot of this is just based on rumors and information, if it matches the T234 on cuda count etc, not using the assumed 1536 then it would still be decently close to the series S then. But TPD might be too high with just that chip and the likely goals for Nintendo, henced the more modified T239 based one as rumoured with cut cores. A full powered T234 at max clocks which likely wont happens and full 2048 cuda cores is just about on par with the series S, so it might be possible but unlikely. @@oilerguy5494

[@brendansilva9023]

@AtilasRises tflops aren't a magic number I agree. But give an indication of compute that can be compared to known performance level on similar architecture like ampere which is well known. There are a bunch of other things that aren't clear in leaks that would make it possible. I've also tested the scenario out at those resolutions on PC. First the most part it works fine. 1080p dlss ultra performance is 360p internal. Does it look as good as native. No. Is it something that could be classified as comparable. Yes. Look at digital foundry testing ultra performance at 1080p for Control for instance. Will something running a 2ish tflop ampere chip be able to run something at 360p that series S might do a 720p. Possibly unless there are some other bottleneck restricting it. But from a pure compute perspective it's achievable. EDIT: YOu can also check the DF video on DLSS ultra performance at 1080p they did with the control DLSS 2.1 update to show such "unreasonable" resolutions are doable. Also some Switch games drop as low as 360p. Not saying every game will run that low, but it's a possibility. Matrix awakens on series S runs as low as 533p internally.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

20:24 The DSi, 3DS and Wii U all had cameras. Not sure why they suddenly feel like it's a good idea to put a camera into their new device again. Almost feels like going backwards. What else can you do with a camera unless they want to try AR stuff again

[@bobbymoss6160]

Just let me preorder it already!!!

[@Poppin023]

rich lookin like Dr Evil in that thumbnail

[@ccc822007]

Nobody has the portable console market quite like Nintendo does. Even phones, although capable, lack some of the hardware to run like a Switch. Not to mention the screen space.

[@xunbekannt1572]

This means Switch Up is at least 2Tflops (PS4+10%)! I would not rule out PS4Pro- XoneX level for the handheld! Docked it should match the XSS!

[@Trancepticon]

Hardware will still have to be at an afordable level where mum and pa will be able to buy young bimmy and jimmy a console to play pokemon.

[@vorpal22]

Exactly this. The Switch did well because it was appealing to people of all ages AND affordable. Nintendo knows better than to try to compete with Sony and Microsoft... they basically dominate the handheld market.

[@jbway86]

I hope Nintendo comes out with an open face dock. Meaning not having that cover in front obscuring the screen. Imagine the ability to have it in sleep mode with some knd AMOLED display showing like a samsung galaxy device. I want the stand to be more like a Samsung DeX stand or some sort.

[@SWOTHDRA]

Yes

[@XDLugia]

That would be pretty cool actually. That way it could also show how much it has charged, what game is playing or maybe even another gimmick. I mean the blue disc tray on the Wii inspired the Wii U Gamepad, so it's actually kind of plausable.

[@One21Jiggawatts]

Or the ability to mirrorcast to the dock and tv.

[@keithkelly5692]

What if they actually use an improved version of the New 3DS XL screen technology for Switch 2? The "camera" could simply be the IR camera(s) that do the eye pupil tracking.

[@etherspin]

thats an interesting idea !

[@Peremptor]

Good insight fellas thought you guys where more into promoting than actual analysis as of late. Seems like I was mistaken.

[@puregarbage2329]

If the switch 2 is targeting 1080p upscaled to 4K, 30fps at a $400-$500 price point, modern handhelds will all be obsolete in my eyes. I’m curious to know y’all’s opinion on how valve will react to a new nvidia based switch. Pretty cool that handheld gaming is making a resurgence.

[@MrBl3ki]

Mobile/handheld is the future.

[@Fuchsfeuer]

DIe 4k I want to swap the 4k for 60 fps. I just never want to have to play at 30 fps again except for point and click adventures or visual novels^^ and even then 60 fps is better if the text is played smoothly :D In itself, Nintendo should be the ones who should know how important a clean and good gaming experience is.

[@lanceruis]

I dunno. I mean, I'm a console guy, but if you're a PC guy wouldn't Valve's next gen effort appeal to you more? Not just for the frame rate benefits, but for PC exclusives, mods, etc? I just wonder if this appeals to a different demographic than the Steamdeck 2 might.

[@puregarbage2329]

@@lanceruis no, not really. It’s about the games and the performance, that’s about it.

[@fi7959]

I don't think Valve will react directly to Nintendo. They'll likely release a new Deck but they won't compete with Nintendo, I don't think many can compete with NIntendo in the handheld market. Sony could have but they're not going to do anything with the Portal.

[@Starboy-_-]

To those who say Nintendo was never about graphics, they clearly don't know Nintendo. The entire marketing campaign for N64 was around its graphics (they even made the 64-bit part of the name itself - no other console maker has done that), the GameCube was almost on par with Xbox, SNES was wiping the floor with Mega Drive in terms of simultaneous colours on screen. They HAD to differentiate and compete on different terms after the failure of GC almost got them out of the console business, hence the gimmicks were born. Now that they've had a hit with the Switch and their brand reputation has been restored, I wouldn't be surprised if they get back on the graphics race. Besides, if the Switch 2 presents no new ways to play (which has been their mantra as of late), the only thing they can do is to seriously beef up the specs.

[@newyorktechworld6492]

What about Sega 32X...

[@84jdgregory]

I honestly think this will be a PS5/Playstation Portal situation IF the console is powerful. If they're truly making a "Switch 2"... we're forgetting how easy 1080p is to render now, and if they have DLSS it'll be solid. 1080p is still standard for any competitive game.

[@cikame]

Random thought, if the Switch 2 didn't have all the portable gubbins in it and was a home console, would it be cheaper than the Switch 1?

[@Fazeshyft]

Surely Nintendo and Nvidia are aware of the power consumption requirements of the hardware they're working with, but the Switch 2 has to have better battery longevity than a UMPC like the Deck. Logistically, why couldn't the Switch 2 have hardware to run games at the native resolution of the built in screen (720p or what have you) while the home dock contains a bespoke GPU meant specifically for DLSS and upscaling to TV's and home theater setups? Something akin to Microsoft's Surface Book with the GPU in the keyboard base.

[@MetalJody1990]

Switch 2 sounds like it's gonna be a beast! I wanna see a new F-Zero running at 120 fps!

[@dudemanismadcool]

It's gonna be more powerful than a 4090 I reckon

[@jbway86]

​@@dudemanismadcooldoubt it. Prob 3000 series

[@gerardotejada2531]

A 1650. Remember the Switch TDP is 15w

[@zergilli9719]

F Zero 99 runs at infinite FPS because it looks shitty.

[@Yusei255]

Never going to happen.

[@carl8790]

All i want is an OLED 1080p60 display on handheld and maybe an upscale 4k30fps using DLSS on my TV. If Nintendo can achieve this with a power budget of 20W, that would be cool. Some other changes I would like; •No slow eMMC internal storage. If 128GB of nvme is too expensive then use UFS. ▪︎Please let the Ethernet interface become standard this time and don't cheap out on the RF hardware. WiFi 6e and Bluetooth 5.3 at minimum. •Not really a change, but keep the price between $299 - $349. •Lastly, the cartridge size (microSD) should be at minimum 64GB.

[@SAGERUNE]

A couple of potential factors, some pretty plausible, but if i had to make an assumption, a 4070 comparable gpu in the dock, an nvidia Apu in the handheld that can do some "cinematic framerate" upscaled ray tracing...for 2 hours. lol The steamdeck can technically do raytracing and If it wasnt an amd machine, it might even do it pretty well. I think because nintendo wont be abandoning the hybrid market, they will probably do the EGPU. I am totally willing to be wrong about that, but i think it has potential to be the first instance of an EGPU in a major commerical product. potentially normalizing the technology. But hey, maybe they believe that the apu will be enough. Im sure it will be impressive, but i dont think it will be very impressive when docked. Nintendo doesnt believe that it has to compete, it just needs to catch up and provide the experience its known for, but i think they came close to death one too many times for them to cheap out. I think they will sell the machine at a loss, and be forced to acknowledge the threat of the brand new handheld market.

[@MalteK]

The 4070 is alot more powerfull then the gpu inside the ps5 and series X and has a msrp of 600 dollar, do you really think that nintendo will have the most powerfull hardware on the market while being a hybrid (with its own apu) and still keeping the price on a reasonable level (around 400$)?

[@SAGERUNE]

@@MalteK you are right. I just threw that one out there. I guess 4050-60 because it's still most likely to be the same architecture. I still believe in the egpu approach

[@Yusei255]

That will never happen.

[@ewitte12]

Speaking of power. I was running something semi modern on a 4090 getting maybe 50%fps vs what I should have no matter what settings. I found out afterburner had my power limit set to like 4%!

[@SireDragonChester]

I just hope next gen Nintendo switch has 16 Gb ram. Where rumours says only has 12 GB, many ports didn’t happen for switch Cus if lack of ram. Only having 4 GB ram really held it back. We’re already starting see XSS have issue Cus it only has 10 GB ram. 12 GB is not enough in 2023/24 imo. 16 GB is standard now. Even steam deck has 16 GB. Hopefully Nintendo will match it.

[@SAGERUNE]

especially if it has to share the ram with the frame buffer...which it will

[@sam805236]

Tech demos have never meant anything to me because the actual games never live up to it. The Wii U had an amazing Legend of Zelda tech demo, yet we never saw anything on that console come close.

[@LPJZ456]

that thumbnail doe lol

[@etherspin]

killer features for me would be the pro controller being available in colours other than black and joycons lasting more than a year without drift

[@vincentreedy7945]

I replaced 2 sets of joy cons with Hall effect sensors and they are perfect, been that way for a year and counting with pretty heavy use.

[@djtomoy]

That thumbnail says: “ooh matron” more than anything else to me

[@offroadskater]

You win KZbin-Face today. Austin Powers meets 'I farted'.

[@TheKB0024]

Nah the camera would be nice. I remember using the one on the dsi to take selfies and stuff with my cousins as a kid. It'll be fun, especially if they bring back pictochat

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

Simple on the portable mod. Just use dlss 540p . On docked mod ( dlss 720~1080p )

[@DannyWilliamH]

9:00 Sony got MGS4 running on Vita before launch. Didn't mean we got MGS4 on Vita, lol. Getting something to technically run is not getting something in a retail, stable state.

[@jtland4842]

I have to add that Epic's software raytracing, as impressive as it is, is significantly less performant than if it utilized Nvidia's hardware RT pipeline. I would be really surprised if they are going to any raytracing unless they use a Ampere gpu with RT cores in the console.

[@XDLugia]

The rumored chip is an Ampere chip, and it also makes the most sense to go with that architecture.

[@rackneh]

What many people forget with Switch 2 is how much they were already able to do with the X1, let me remind you that nearly every apu in phones nowadays is more powerful than the X1. Assuming the GPU nvidia is providing has RT cores, it could have ps3 specs otherwise and they'd be able to do some crazy shit. I've only owned a DSI in my life so I'm not a nintendo fanboy by any stretch, but I see what the Switch can do at friends houses, and to see that kind of graphics on a Shield Portable is insane to me

[@issaciams]

Switch was already under powered at release and people were already complaining by the 3rd year. Dont rewrite history now. Lol

[@matthewhaddad9086]

Backwards compatibility with increased fps and resolution is a reason inotself tofonalpygey on board

[@蓮90]

The Wii and Wii U were underpowered at launch too. Nintendo does it on purpose, it's part of their business strategy to manipulate expectations. They won't stop until people stop buying.

[@Sky.Lukewalker]

Makes sense after hearing of the rumor of Nintendo supporting VR on Switch 2

[@electrikoptik]

@ 14:08 "Series S holding back things" Straight from the horse's mouth

[@SweetFlexZ]

It's true lol

[@kenroyforrester156]

quote - unquote, I see school did not do you well 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kenroyforrester156]

@SweetFlexZ Nobody knows what's true last generation consoles were massively under powered and we saw some beautiful games on that system until developers starting put more time and optimizing and finishing games I won't say

[@johnbishop2536]

Lol they talked up the magical SSD too, did you run off with that as well?

[@SweetFlexZ]

@@kenroyforrester156 It's a fact that Series S is less powerful than X, aprox like a PS4 in terms of raw performance. So it's like releasing games on an old gen hardware.

[@moik5185]

Technically, _"target spec'd machine"_ wouldn't be the same as demo'ing a game like Metal Gear Solid. Showcasing a game on more powerful hardware, would allow them to not worry about optimization to get it to run. In _this_ case, this is Nintendo showcasing their hardware to developers.

[@ZaidA4K]

Remember the UE4 elemental demo on Tegra K1 on an HTC tablet in 2014? Same thing.

[@StuartHerrington]

Wasn't a slightly modified (For storage size), but basically a stock version of the first part of Metal Gear Solid 4 demo'd on the Playstation Vita?

[@BrianShannon1]

😂 I imagine you guy (Digital Foundry) was also part of the press core that was given access to and demos of switch 2. And you don't want to break the NDA but having another publication do so allows you to cover it 😉 Because I remember you covered Xbox series s when it was demoed but couldn't release the video. I would say the same thing happened here 🤫

[@alexgonzalez9053]

I remain skeptical. A machine more powerful than a Series S, on a battery, with a built in decent quality screen and all the stuff Nintendo packs un their controllers? Probably doable, bu the price would kill it instantly. Will it be a good macjine? For sure, but there will once again be a ton of compromises made here and there.

[@kenroyforrester156]

Nobody stated it would be more powerful than a series s anyone who thinks that's are very much Delusional

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

you shouldn't be more skeptical of the power, the new iphone 15 pro is already running current gen games, what we all should be skeptical about, is how nintendo is willing to sacrifice to give us a powerful portable console with a decent price

[@dmywololowol]

@@NicolasSilvaVasault We don't know at what quality the iPhone is running the games or what's the performance. You should be skeptical of what Apple is promissing. Afterall they're claiming that the CPU is 10% faster than A16 and the GPU is 20% faster. That's not a generational leap.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

​@kenroyforrester156 maybe. The laptop 3050 can definitely match the RT capabilities of the Series S GPU. Nvidia is way ahead of AMD or Apple on real time graphics for games.

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

they didn't say how much powerful was the A17, tho they showcased ray tracing features, and games like resident evil 8 or assassin's creed mirage are already super demanding, i wouldn't care if it runs at 20 fps, that's already incredible, we're talking about a phone@@dmywololowol

[@dark12ain]

Why do i need a fucking internet connection to play dragon dogma alone??? Gaming is getting so wack and expensive 😫😫😫

[@lifeneedsmorechill]

Expecting a modern day nintendo console is like expectanting to see a unicorn

[@DrunkenRhinoceros]

1080 with DLSS will look decent, but will suffer long term viability. The switch 2 will still require down sampling certain effects to achieve frame rates.

[@Yoshimatsu414]

Just because it can run the Matrix Awakens demo doesn’t mean to me that it going to capable to me. That thing could have been running at 480p 30FPS and using DLSS on the small screen for all we know lol. It’ll be capable of displaying newer real time graphical tech but at what speed and what RAM capacity? WHAT ARE THE SPECS?! Lol

[@Yusei255]

There's nothing that even confirms it can run the matrix demo. So it's likely fake.

[@thogameskanaal]

Can't wait to see the Switch Triple

[@tnutz777]

tech demos that dont match the real experience may not make sense, but it has always been that way so reign in your expectations. no doubt it will look great with dlss.

[@donnydutchmen1284]

But why would you show a Matrix Awakens Demo if it has nothing new to offer? I mean, is it basically exactly the same as the demo we saw on PC, PS5, XBSX right? The Switch 2 should have something new to offer then that wasn't shown on previous hardware. Otherwise showing the same demo but on other hardware, what kind of sense makes that? That it can run it? So what? A lot of other hardware can run it, so what makes this one unique then? I just don't understand.

[@Mmmjakis]

Daddy Rich is wise beyond his years

[@_n8thagr8_63]

I play 90% on PC, but I'm really looking forward to seeing this thing. Current consoles are kinda gimped by AMD hardware, especially with how reliant they are on upscaling and trying to do RT. EDIT-Brainlets in replies don't know how to look at anything within context. Everything is either 100% one way or the other with them. Consoles are 100% gimped by their Hardware based on the usage case. I didn't call AMD trash or bad, but their warriors were quick to flock. Just like how some of the lower Nvidia cards are gimped by their VRAM. But people can't look at any form of context nowadays. Consoles rely on a crazy amount of upscaling. Who makes the vastly better upscaling technology? Nvidia. Consoles are trying to implement RT. Who has much better RT? Nvidia. Who gets more power per watt? Nvidia. And there are times where AMD better suits the use-case.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

I would agree, but add this... How expensive would the Series X and PS5 be if they used NVIDIA hardware?

[@dmywololowol]

A low powered mobile chip that targets 1080p at best with DLSS isn't gimped but the full fledged consoles are? We spotted the Nvidia fanboy lol.

[@Naffacakes98]

That is a bad take, amd hasn't gimped current consoles. Sure ray tracing capabilities aren't great but normal rasterised performance is still really good. I'm assuming you're still stuck in the days of when AMD weren't great

[@SweetFlexZ]

Consoles are like pretending to play with good graphics and high res for cheap on PC

[@kishaloyb.7937]

@@FatNorthernBigot They would be much more expensive if they had Nvidia hardware. And to reduce cost, Sony and MS would have to go for lower tier Nvidia hardware. Not to mention, Nvidia doesn't make x86-64 processors, so Sony and MS either have to outsource x86-64 based processors from Intel/AMD which would require more coordination between different companies, hence increasing price, or go with an ARM based processors that comes in Nvidia SoCs. Lastly, Nvidia is a complete asshat of a company and pretty much everyone (except Nintendo, which is understandable since Nintendo is an asshat of a company too) hates working with them.

[@Jokerwolf666]

If I were to guess the next logical thing for Nintendo to do is have a dock that can boost GPU performance to push 4K, they don't have to do anything else and that will be the new gimmick.

[@prismatica2389]

The dock only allows the system to run faster due to no battery life limitations. The actual GPU in the console would need to be able to hit 4K. The non-docked switch could run 1080p internally it’s just there’s no point because the screen is 720p and the battery life would take a considerable hit.

[@JDC5656]

​@@prismatica2389I think maybe they're saying the dock has a beefier GPU - would make sense but would be v expensive

[@brendansilva9023]

I'm hoping they include 4k output in general ,games hitting that 4K isn't going to happen. A super dock I think is unlikely as well. We might get some sort of further reconstruction to hit a decent 4k resolution so that it doesn't look like garbage on most modern TV displays. I can't stand playing my switch on my C1 for instance cause it just looks horrible. Hell Nvidia might do a further preset for DLSS like hyper performance with a 4x scale factor. In some cases even ultra performance DLSS to 1080p can still look fairly respectable, so 4k 4x scaling factor should be some what reasonable as well, considering the form factor. Might even focus 1080 or 1440p internal and the dock utilises the Nvidia shields AI upscaling technology for video output there. Few options I can see that might produce and OK image, not particularly grea but certainly respectable given its form factor and how tech has evolved in the last few years.

[@Jokerwolf666]

@@JDC5656 it is entirely possible that the dock has a CPU pacifically design for upscaling. They're working on custom Hardware with Nvidia directly and they have the tech to do that kind of thing.

[@JDC5656]

@@Jokerwolf666 I hope. But Nintendo try n keep things cheap - if they split the tech between the handheld and the doc, how much money are we talking???!

[@BlindTrustProject]

People need to keep their expectation in check. It will be with no doubt powerful for a handled, but definitely not powerful in absolute. Tegra 239 is rumored to near 4 tflops. Switch 2 will halves all frequencies to preserve battery life... so we can expect something between 2 and 2.5 tflops. Running The Matrix demo is no proof of power, it just means that it will be compatible with the latest shaders revisions since we don't know in which shape the demo was running. If it was 30fps 480p upscale to 1080p with DLSS, running this demo would not be out of the ordinary.

[@Yusei255]

People are just overreacting over the whole thing thinking it mist be as powerful as current systems or the latest PC graphics card. Nintendo likes to be as cost effective as possible.

[@helmi5045]

I doubt they'll have the frequencies. Proabably closer to 80% or 70% for docked depending on the cooling situation and 60% or 50% for handheld depending on the cooling and battery.

[@bottledwaterprod]

The thing that gets me is that they played TotK a game everyone is rather familiar with... Why show that off unless it was to demonstrate a wild new hardware feature through familiar means. Is it the controller? Glasses free 3d or VR/AR? Who knows, but I'll bet money that they showed a near universally familiar game to demo hardware features of some sort.

[@dun0790]

This suggests a heavily modified chip or perhaps an entirely new one i mean of course could be fake but tbh non of it is unbelievable just very ambitious for Nintendo as jon said im fascinated to see what clock speeds the decide on with battery technology not advancing a whole lot but at least it will probably have fast charge 😅 also i kind of hope it doesn't have ray tracing hardware I dunno i think it would be a waste of resources

[@steveleadbeater8662]

Yep, RT is still beyond PS5/Series X to any meaningful ability so cut out the RT cores, which would also bring the production and power costs down.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

It's the T239 as Richard suggested. Ampere is very good at RT. Nintendo would be stupid to release a console with no dedicaded RT hardware, future games will be be RT only.

[@dun0790]

@@Wobbothe3rd thanks i looked at them last week and couldn't remember seeing any with rt cores so just assumed

[@dyscotopia]

I can't remember if the ps2 or ps3, but one or the other was supposedly capable of running ballistic missile guidance systems and the other was apparently capable of rendering toy story one in real time. I miss the day of brand new architectures when we could go on such flights of fancy. ARM, as Apple has proven, is flexible enough that it gives us a chance to at least possibly be surprised. As for gimmicks? Maybe it reads your heart rate and blood pressure and adjusts the gameplay to that.. Somebody had that idea once

[@solonepeon5805]

It was PS3.

[@derp195]

The missile myth was for the ps2. It was absolute bs, of course. Just a way for boomers to be outraged about what the kids were doing.

[@jjasper7512]

I'm thinking storage here, does anyone know how big the matrix demo is, how big would the cartridge need to be to store this thing!

[@SWOTHDRA]

Yeah the catridges will become a problem

[@helmi5045]

@user-gf3nq6eb7o For physical gamers yes but not for Nintendo. They've been focusing on digital for years. If they're using an SSD you'll likely have to download everything to the internal storage anyway.

[@pokepress]

I won’t be surprised if the Switch 2 has ray tracing capability given how standard that is, but whether games will use it given the performance penalty we see on consumer GPUs.

[@kasjamm]

I dont think a series s level handheld is possible right now. Especially from nintendo. I dont even think a mobile chip that powerful exists yet.

[@seleccionceleste]

The questions is, how are these games going to run and look when the switch is undocked?

[@C--A]

Still very good as they will only have to upscale to 1080P using DLSS in handheld mode.

[@friedeggsareawesome]

The switch is my favourite console, but my view on its games are they run good enough and being a retro game fan it has more than enough juice to run them, so a more powerful switch wouldn't be a selling point for me, I would be more interested in a full super nintendo catalogue and bigger more durable controlls.

[@etherspin]

what kills the SNES and N64 gaming stuff for me is save states.

[@angryjoe98]

Mario with raytracing will be pretty sweet

[@Siranoxz]

We are in a age where phones and soon handhelds can run AAA games at ease if Apple is to be believed to crack the jackpot on their Iphone achievement. This could change the entire gaming industry in smaller mobile devices running AAA games..

[@drewa4235]

People seem to have short term memory loss ever time Nintendo goes to launch new hardware. Nintendo always goes the other way when it comes to hardware, cheap and off the shelf. There is no way Nintendo will use anything custom\powerful when Nvidia has years old chips that will do the job (orin was announced in 2018). Almost guaranteed Nintendo will choose the Tegra orin built on Samsung 8nm as to keep it off tsmc. Nvidia won't want to burn up fab capacity on 5nm for obvious reasons. Samsung will give Nvidia a deal again on 8nm just like they did on ampere. The orin has 2048 cuda cores of ampere which is basically the same as a rtx 2050 and might trade blows with the old rtx 2060 but due to lower power it won't. I'm sure Nvidia can get diss 3.5 running on it. It would have enough grunt to run games at 1080p 60 and then just upscale the scrap out of them. Nintendo will want to keep the power budget not much higher than the current switch which I believe is around 15 watts. This way they can keep a low capacity battery to cut costs, and they won't need much cooling. It will also keep the next switch thin like the current one. It would be nice if I am wrong....but with the past history of Nintendo and the fact they love to make fat profit off their hardware from day one tells me this is the direction they will likely go.

[@Old-Boy_BEbop]

the switch 2 wont even be as powerful as the ps4... its a mobile tablet cheap hardware and battery life is their biggest priority selling it at a profit never at a loss and no mobile device, tablet can perform at a ps4 level...

[@abioqaas]

Nintendo was smart to go with Nvidia on the Switch. That decision is about to pay huge dividends with the next system.

[@abioqaas]

Or I’m wrong and will be very disappointed😂

[@protocetid]

@@abioqaasDF did a video on why Microsoft, Sony and Apple dropped Nvidia GPUs from their products

[@candidosilva7755]

That tegra x1 wil rest in peace finaly.

[@IronicSonic83]

What are the min spec to run BOTW at twice fps on Cemu?

[@davewhittles]

with a much more powerful switch i would get one the current one i thought was underpowered