New Jobs' Lore within FFXIV Dawntrail!

Time for us to start covering all the ins and outs of what to maybe see and expect out of various parts of the upcoming expansion Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail! I'm very exicted to start covering this material and I hope you'll join me as we become to decode exactly what we may or may not see in the future!
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[@MeowtainDew]

Pictomancy is less watered down creation magic and more water colored creation magic

[@SynodicScribe]

ayyyyy

[@Tom-Pendragon]

god damn lol

[@ExceedProduction]

… goddammit

[@eternalsummer8409]

Pictomancer is creation magic used by those ancients that act like early 2000’s students drawing s symbols in their homework book

[@Cahrub]

"If they can envision it, they can create it" Pictomancers: MOOGLE! HAMMER! MOOGLE! HAMMER!

[@HikingFeral]

Hopefully the devs will read your comment and add every single weapon type, creature and inanimate object to have ever existed to keep you happy.

[@Wanderingsage7]

Look, we 'just' got the job stone.

[@Zeik56]

At least they don't just draw a bunch of dicks.

[@JosephHeiskell]

Well, when all you can envision is a hammer…

[@kyzorend.tirrem4457]

In life, there are hunters... And then... There are MONSTER HUNTERS!

[@madambutterfly1997]

I appreciate that Relm was name dropped in the intro of Pictomancer

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

A Relm Reborn indeed

[@danielBrown-fs7xq]

I see what you did there well played. ​@@Pikachu-qr4yb

[@AngelRodriguez-tu6kk]

Legendary Archon indeed

[@Coaltergeist]

Now we have how many jobs from ff6?

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@Coaltergeist let me know when we get Rune Fencer and Magitek Elite as jobs

[@sammon1415]

by the sound of it, a lalafell job mentor would be really fitting for viper

[@acgearsandarms1343]

I’m so glad you clarified the disconnect I had for Viper being a hunter. I tried to justify the weapon and fighting style as a normal hunter but that’s just it. They aren’t normal hunters. They also took inspiration from a viper to use the twin blades to strike with the fury and speed of one and further honed it down the ages. So that question no longer burdens me. As for Pictomancer, I’m an artist so I love the idea of using your skills to enact your intent on the world. Also entertaining like being an animator. Which they are after a fashion.

[@madambutterfly1997]

I feel like for the job quest for Pictomancer we might very well see some kind of apparition of Relm wearing a pink version of the artifact gear

[@drbiohazmat]

I bet it would be someone who's said to be like the "modern day Relm", like how some artists are conflated to be a "modern day Picasso" by others. I totally imagine this being the character wanting to stand out and be recognized for their own skills rather than compared to someone else, but then seeing it as a chance to make their own mark like A Relm Reborn

[@Gloomdrake]

Personally I really hope we get job quests back, because, as a Scholar main, I really hope that Seraphism comes with a lore explanation

[@normalmighty]

Yeah. I get why they stopped making them - the level of development cost was getting bigger with every new job added - but I really miss them for the depth they added to the job identity and lore.

[@notmousse]

I doubt it'll happen, but maybe a side quest where you get some lore about the advanced abilities.

[@RoyWirapati]

I'd even welcome a one cap level job quest that expand the lore of each job, maybe explaining what inspired us to our capstone ability. No need for 5 job quests per job.

[@silvergrove8517]

On top of a capstone quest for level 100 for each job, something I would really find cool and thematically rewarding is a new LB3 for each job at level 100.

[@GrimalkinsQuill]

Welcome to how I felt getting Phoenix with no fanfare after we spent so long figuring out Bahamut

[@ryes5]

You deserve to be invited to the media tour! So sorry they missed you.

[@SynodicScribe]

I wish I could've attended and brought back some juicy lore for y'all. The best I can do is work harder and try to get noticed for next time!

[@iResonate]

You'll be invited next time. Speaking it into existence.

[@SynodicScribe]

I certainly hope so!

[@nowunknown00]

So what you're saying is Viper is basically a Witcher but not hated by everyone

[@aceandrews7778]

You got me hooked on lore that i had completely missed,thanks bro keep up the good work

[@frogvie3624]

I was a little uncertain about viper, but hearing more about its lore and and how well it fits for my WoL has got me really excited to play it!

[@GavinAstraWolf]

I still can't believe Pictomancer is a real class in FFXIV now. EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE FUCKING GREEN MAGE BUT NOPE, PICTOMANCER! Excited to see more lore about these classes ESPECIALLY Pictomancer.

[@frozenalpha6942]

So Viper is basically just a Hunter from Monster Hunter

[@LiorVolf]

Perfect 😊

[@KainsAddiction]

Except MH is absolute garbage

[@Zeik56]

​@@KainsAddictionThe massive success and popularity of the franchise says otherwise.

[@KainsAddiction]

@Zeik56 ....speaks to the amount of dumb kids in society, yes.

[@strawberriilatte]

​@@KainsAddiction Shut up, troll. Say hi to your mom for me

[@normalmighty]

I really hope the picto job quests go into the story of archon Relm and what exactly she (and maybe some other original archons) got up to in their time.

[@rodimus580]

I’m still like what!? Synodic scribe wasn’t invited? I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. You definitely deserved to be there I got into allot of jobs because the lore you expanded on and explained and really got me motivated and has stayed with me since I started playing ffxiv.

[@PurpleSyrup14]

Admittedly I'll be leveling through Dawntrail as Viper and, if I like it well enough, making it my main job in my static simply because of the Zidane references. But hearing this lore is actually really interesting for my WoL! He's a male viera and was a wood-warder before heeding the call to adventure. Becoming a hunter of dangerous beasts and reattuning himself to the more natural world would be an interesting way of getting back to his roots, in a sense.

[@femthingevelyn]

honestly that works very well what with the whole "hey let's head over and just have a normal vacation time in fantasy Mexico" vibe they got going on

[@bigfoxki]

Summoner needs a lot of lore to explain why are we getting mechanical Bahamut instead other dozens of summons. Why is it important enough to make summoner the only one with 4 minutes rotation.

[@yanipheonu]

I wonder if "Solar" Primals will be more of a thing in the Dawntrail story. Wonder what would cause these "solar" versions of a primal to exist...

[@bigfoxki]

@@yanipheonu Maybe, I really hope for so some good explanation. Given how prominent they made solar Bahamut in summoner's rotation. It has on time double of Phoenix and Bahamut, so it got to some from somewhere instead of just "because we fought crystal mama" or "this is what Bahamut actually look likes".

[@TorManiak]

​@@yanipheonu hey, Lunar Primals exist because of the Telophoroi, maybe there's something similar happening with Solars? I mean, I'd take a Lunar Phoenix if we go the route of not getting Shiva, Ramuh Leviathan and/or Odin, because "3 Egis max" apparently still applies even past lvl 70.

[@Gloomdrake]

Summoner gets the 4 minute rotation because they’re the coolest

[@silvergrove8517]

...am I the only to remember that the first SMN quest in HW has you try to had more "common" primals to your roster and not being able to, with your quest partner theorizing that it may be that your are limited in how many primal essences you can imprint on yourself? And that the reason you can summon Bahamut and Phoenix is that everyone in Eorzea has essentially been infused with their essences given what happened during the Calamity? Don't get me wrong, it would be very cool to have the classic FF summons in your kit, but lore-wise in 14, it is not remotely reasonable to expect it or be disappointed by its absence. The only ways we are getting other summons are either through a retcon that just contradicts that earlier scene or an elaboration on why we could not add more at the time, but now it is possible.

[@Blue018Phoenix]

Unrelated but something I love about the trailer nutkin is how you can slightly see its pupils behind those beady black eyes

[@FeralShadow]

As someone who was trying them anyway, I definitely loved this and want more videos on them in the future because I simply love learning details about them

[@gearsun3466]

As someone a fan of the Ranger/Monster Hunter Style with the dual blades and speed with that physical magical twist it's a dream come true for me wanting something like this in Final Fantasy XIV. Finally able to play the style of my Warrior of like I've always imagined them as.

[@xsteelersx6]

The lore behind Viper is sick. Looking forward to slashing my way through my preternatural raid-bosses!

[@Glenningway]

So... Viper may be FFXIV's "Monster Hunter" job class you say? Dual Blades that merge to insect glaive, what's not to like?

[@HikingFeral]

A new Scribe video is something I can get behind.

[@NobutakaFairclough]

I am very excited to see what lore videos come from Dawntrail. Classes and more :)

[@zipzap101]

Thanks for this video! I'm excited to make my WoL a Viper when the expansion comes out, so this helps me a lot with getting primed lorewise.

[@sonicroze]

When Endwalker was coming and I knew it had heavy FFIV baked into it, I learned to tank - specifically Paladin- because Cecil. Of course I'm giving Pictomancer a shot. I'm a huge FFVI fan (I love it more than 4) and I always loved Relm. Like Krile (from 5) I'm sure the team will do their own thing to make it lore friendly and not a 1 - 1 copy. After all, we already got Kain's betrayal (Estinnien) in Heaven's Ward.

[@comicalblues9152]

Are you ever going to do a gunbreaker lore vid?

[@SynodicScribe]

That's actually the next full length job video I'll be covering.

[@comicalblues9152]

@SynodicScribe I'm so glad to hear that. I love your videos and that's the one that I patiently waited for the most 😭

[@SynodicScribe]

@@comicalblues9152 Yeah sorry for the wait. Life and stuff slowed me down for the passed few months and I've been trying to get back into my regular routine.

[@comicalblues9152]

@SynodicScribe hearing that it's in the works is good enough for me. Real life stuff matters more so take your time. I know it will be worth the wait 😁

[@michaelcgrigori7823]

Awesome content as always!

[@robertrappaport3610]

Viper feels exactly like the madness I don't get to do often enough on Monk. Pictomancy has Slips very happy to try though!

[@joshshin6819]

My girl Realm Arrowny getting a glow up ❤❤❤

[@TormaXimnus]

I was planning to play both because I want access to everything I can do in this game. x) Viper is definitely going to be my first pick, though. :)

[@Sinalve1]

Apparently YoshiP has gone on record to say Viper was a response to people who wanted to play Kirito ala Sword Art Online.

[@RED_Theory038]

I kind of hate that fact, but I'll let it go

[@Sinalve1]

@RED_Theory038 Here's my take. Right now, we do not have a Pure Swordsman. Samurai uses their Aether to imbue their strikes with elemental affects. Warrior summons their rage as they fight, Paladin compliments their Sword with a Shield and Holy Magic (not white), Dark Knight fuels their swords swings with abyssal power, Gunbreaker uses barriers cast from charged Aether. Ninja uses Ninjutsu magic, Red Mage is still a Mage. Every existing job uses Aether to change how their sword hits. Viper just uses it to hit harder and faster. That alone still finds it unique among the current jobs on offer.

[@tracyglasper5177]

As an artist, I already wanted to play Pictomancer. Now, I really want to play it for a full view of where they go with the lore of it!

[@MRemopantalones]

Since we're going into a region directly related to the history of Viper, I'm planning on having my character learn it and utilize those skills at least for the initial set of quests of dawntrail.

[@dannywolfpero]

Viper's lore fits the aesthetic I tried to make my Dancer glam into. Dual Blade Monster Hunter.

[@zellutzen8429]

my dream of being a seral lead paint murderer will be finally realized :P

[@davidmaclean2734]

I was simply going for viper, this just made it feel more fitting for. I never played d&d but in neverwinter nights my main was a ranger with dual weild, always loved the thought of dual weilding swords and any game where i can sual weild im all over it 😅

[@evanw8539]

Wouldn’t it be wild if the Viper quest line focused around one hunting people with the echo 😅. Praeternatural - check. Could be a threat if misused? Check.

[@eternalsummer8409]

2:30 so viper is literally monster hunter, awesome

[@ironbadger8985]

Good Hunte- Viper

[@aaronlefebre5060]

I'll be playing both, because I'll be taking my Omni 90s all to Omni 100s.

[@Darksora79]

So you’re saying a Viper is a….Monster Hunter? 😳 (queue Monster Hunter theme song)

[@juicegirl2696]

Viper vs the Ancients. They’re DEFINITELY stronger than nature intended.

[@ienzo69demy]

Question, feel free to ignore. As the game homogenize more jobs, what are your thoughts on how that homogenization affects a jobs ability to relate to its lore?

[@SynodicScribe]

It's a shame honestly. The more reductive the game system becomes, the less representative the jobs are to their in lore potential.

[@ienzo69demy]

@@SynodicScribe That was my concern as well. Thank you for your insight.

[@inuclearpickle8628]

@@SynodicScribewas curious how’d you like the ninja changes? I thought mug turning into a poison spit was cool as well as trick attack becoming a aoe that uses Kunais. Not sure how to feel about Huton’s change with ninja’s theme but I think I like it being an aoe version suiton

[@SynodicScribe]

@@inuclearpickle8628 Some jobs will certainly feel better than others in terms of their in lore comparison. I'm just speaking from a generalized point of view. The job system in FFXIV has in fact become less lore friendly as time has passed.

[@wilbertsledge3454]

If they do go down the prestige job right you suggested I wonder if the homogenization could be worked into the lore as the WOL trying make the jobs they learn easier and is now going back to the root of their job to regain its identity. I'm hopeful cuz Yoshi P has said they want to hone in on job identity in 8.0.

[@Law-gnome]

Isn't summoner just a form of watered down creation magic? You are summoning aspects of the primals, which themselves were a form of watered down creation magic. If both pictomancer and summoner are forms of creation magic, then are they just different means to reach the same end?

[@SynodicScribe]

Indeed, summoner's weaving of primal aether into reduced entities is indeed a type of creation magic. But compared to Pictomancer its scope is now proven to be very limited.

[@silvergrove8517]

Yup. A bit like how conjury, geomancy, and astromancy are related in lore through the AST quests.

[@Viech54]

Lore, wise, I have a hard time imagining my WoL as a pictomancer. I'll level both jobs, but I'm leaning more towards viper right now. Have to play both jobs first and learn more about them in the game, though.

[@siobahnhurley85]

Viper is soooo on my list. One the fence for Pictomancer.

[@Wanderingsage7]

I can see Picto being Nymian in origin. The artillery to the marines and scholars. I like the mental image of only one Archon thinking of building a boat, as untrue as it probably is.

[@althyk]

I still want more fairy content. Scholar quests, sylph tribe, shadowbringers pixies, aloalo, etc. were not enough. I wonder what the next fairy will look like.

[@landenbattista8686]

I don't really play this game but if I were to play it pictomancer would 100% be my main.

[@MagiaErebea028]

Vipers are basically hunters from the monster hunter universe

[@bun-kitty-bun912]

Thinks it's a crime you didn't get to go to the media tour. Love your videos!

[@SynodicScribe]

Won't lie, I do feel a bit left out. But that won't stop me from doing what I do!

[@rahvlanthal8583]

I feel like the reason why he wasn't invited because Yoshi-P can't really answer lore questions right now.

[@sin9479]

@@SynodicScribe I watch your vids more than everybody who got invited combined. I hope SE can appreciate the lore content more next time. Its honestly one of the biggest reasons XIV holds my interest.

[@kuronaialtani]

I'm definitely excited to see what the job quests have to say about Viper beyond the dev comments, but really I just want to get my hands on the job The weapon(s) I wanted for a second scouting, the playstyle I wanted after the job was revealed, the job actions look fast and strong, god With my main being a xaela girl it even kinda fits her to take the role of a hunter/battler I want this job so bad

[@hackfeatherstep9955]

I really think with my character being a male viera that viper will suite him really well

[@eternalsummer8409]

I love ffxivs lore and the lore of jobs, but if I’m being honest, idc about vipers lore, the fact it has two swords that combine is my main draw to it, I’m sure I’ll love the lore tho, but for once that’s not my main draw

[@danielBrown-fs7xq]

The creation magic angle for picto is spot on.. though i wouldnt call it watered down.. the ancients as you stated had focused thier magics into specific areas... the pictomancers strenght is in thier imagination itself... the shortlived things they create are simply a result of gameplay mechanics one could argue the true pictomancer strength in imagination in all aspects from spells to creatures to landscapes from a lore perspective would have limitless potential without game play mechanics in the way... kind of 4th wall stuff but you get the idea

[@magpie_jazz]

It's definitely "watered down" in that a pictomancer simply doesn't have the knowledge and aether to measure up to the Ancients, who could create on a far greater scale and give their creations "permanence."

[@danielBrown-fs7xq]

@@magpie_jazz agree with spirit of what your saying im simply saying the temporary nature of picto abilities are simply a game development thing the potential of a picto could be limitless depending on the lore we dont know yet

[@teoakio1902]

Scribe, I recently read a comment about how originally endwalker was supposed to be two expansions and when they were merged some plot points like the lunar primals and the relation of meteors to the final days were largely written off, do you know anything about that?

[@SynodicScribe]

From what we understand, yes, Endwalker was originally supposed to be two different expansion. With the first being focused on Garlemald and Ilsabard, and then Endwalker was going to be all about the Final Days and its effect on the world. I don't know what made them decide to rush and condense two expansions worth of story into one. But it certainly shows in some of the continuity errors and pacing issues Endwalker had.

[@teoakio1902]

​@@SynodicScribe Interesting, do you plan on doing a video about it someday?

[@SynodicScribe]

@@teoakio1902 Not at the moment. Because to do so would be to critique how Endwalker was handled, and a LOT of players hate it when FFXIV is critiqued. haha

[@sansfangirl4life439]

as for me, i asked my friends if i should stick with summoner for my main or actually become either viper or picto for the new story. My friends said Viper, so viper i will be xD but i'm also very stubborn (and a fic writer xD), so i wanted a lore reason for my WoL to specifically choose being a Viper. The answer i chose was simple for me; he's trying to break away from the legacy he was forced to take from the moment he was born, and now that he's truly free of it, he wants to move away from the arcane as much as he can. He knows he can't leave it all completely behind but this is a step in that direction he chooses for himself, just as he chose to become Reaper for a time. i'm excited for both and will be getting both either way!

[@user-zn1db9fe5w]

7:25 NOAHS ARK

[@pandamonium9255]

I forgot about Relm. I was wracking my brain trying to figure out who’s OG class that was without googling it then I clicked this video and read the comments 😂

[@ClexYoshi]

It's... probably not a huge revelation that my parents named me after the archon Relm. I've also been using the mado brush as my weapon of choice for ages, so...

[@dazzlemasseur]

So essentially a fully rejoined pictomancer would just be original ascians.

[@reyjusuf]

I wonder if you're a picto when doing 6.55 msq Krile would have a different dialog

[@xmixaplix]

I mean I wanted a sword and pistol combo but I guess I'll take the dual swords 👀 but if my ultimate isn't starburst stream I'll be disappointed :P

[@soniccactuar8566]

7:24 i'm screaming at the sight of that boat. it has haunted me since SB. its so big, so elaborate and they've done nothing with it. until now i guess.

[@ExceedProduction]

What do you mean? That lore isn’t new, you learn about the boat and what it did when you quest through that area.

[@courtgame]

I got 2 fresh boosted alts for vioer and pictomancer plus my main smn

[@jamib7970]

I had planned to pick up Viper as soon as I saw the class, and suspected Travanchet would not be my first character through Dawntrail. With our without the lore, I looked at the fighting style and felt this was a FAR better mesh for one of my alts, my previous main, who followed story progression from Rogue to Ninja. The abrupt tonal shift from being a shadow walking enforcer of the pirate code to staring in an episode of Naruto was just too far a stretch for me. I tried other classes, but only AST's stargazing/navigation possibilities potentially fit his background. And though I love healing, being a healer would not be his first choice of vocation. He was a rogue, and would have made a great upright thief, if he just wasn't so put off by pirate society in general. Hence his looking for an out... But now hearing your take on the scant Viper details we have, I am incredibly hopeful this mesh is going to go much better than I expected. It sounds a much shorter step from hunting oathbreakers, cheats, & murderers to hunting truly dangerous and probably less morally bankrupt monsters. We'll find out in just a few days. 🥰

[@Deltalightnings]

My ffxiv character help create my duel welding dnd character who was a hunter SO YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I'M GOING VIPER

[@aphilli97]

Cant wait to main viper and play with bob ross mains

[@starlightbreaker561]

gonna grind em out to 100 then forget about them

[@dragonhearthx8369]

If viper doesnt get DOTs then it shpuld not be called a Viper.

[@geraldmarroquin4085]

Please drop a recap for the msq up till now

[@SynodicScribe]

I've been working on that for a while. Trying to make sure it's not only accurate but concise. It has been a huge undertaking. haha

[@geraldmarroquin4085]

@@SynodicScribe thank you for your work 😭

[@normalmighty]

@@SynodicScribe It sounds like a huge task, but a ton of people out there will really appreciate it!

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

So VIPs are basically The Witcher, dual sword and all

[@acgearsandarms1343]

Witchers have two swords for a different reason. They don’t actually use them at the same time to my knowledge.

[@The_Yukki]

@@acgearsandarms1343 Idea of 2 swords is that monsters can be killed with normal swords but they're effectively alergic to silver, think pouring salt in the wound. They're more effective, but not all monsters 'require' the use of silver swords. Silver being softer and more expensive than steel means that they're kept for rare occasions when absolutely needed to get the edge over the monster. Withers usually also did not carry 2 swords on their person, the silver one was usually strapped to the saddlebags on the road and ofc taken to the room as to not get stolen when in towns. In fact in the 'killing monsters' cinematic trailer you can see how witchers kept their silver swords when Geralt partially pulls out the steel sword before choosing to just use signs and fists. Iirc in one of the books a rummour is spread that silver is for monsters and steel's for humans. Might even be the book within a book that lead to storming of KaerMorhen.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

@@acgearsandarms1343 it was more of a tongue in cheek reference. Similar enough. You must be fun at parties.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@Pikachu-qr4yb Tone isn’t always conveyed well through text.

[@TomTheOwl68]

Im going to be honest, im surprised at some of the ones they invited and didn't invite. You definitely should of been, like wtf.

[@Kitsune10060]

FF14 Relm sounds so much better to have to deal with the FF6 Relm

[@Dae-Dae97]

Viper is so cool but its animations just have no flavor for me

[@emotionalsupport]

Calling Viper a hunter is underselling its identity...youre making the assumption Dragoons dont "hunt" dragons...the twin snake aesthetic are a very important thing about the job in general just like Dragoons uses the power of dragons.

[@Kodiie]

Just not feeling Viper from what I’ve seen. Looks bland and unoriginal. The lore described has no synergy with the dual blade style. I mean what about hunting more dangerous than usual monsters requires you to use two blades. This is especially bad if you look at the jobs they could have added (puppet master, Geomancer, Ranger, Rune Knight). Pictomancer on the other hand seems fun and very keyed in on the lore. However I doubt the gameplay will give it the proper shine it deserves. After all how can a class based on creativity thrive in a game hell bent on removing all class identity?

[@baronfuath5872]

It's not required for hunters of large monsters to use two little blades. but the vipers are a class of hunters from Tural with ritualistic practices (putting themselves in trances and such). people that practice rituals of any form tend to also engage in symbology. many things in a ritual are often symbolic of things or concepts. the viper's two blades are symbolic in a similar way. nothing requires them to use them, but its the message they represent. the message of "it doesn't matter how big, strong or unnaturally powerful something is. if you are more cunning than the enemy, that is all you need."

[@Kodiie]

Sure there are plenty of real world examples of African, Asian and Northern/Southern American tribes using mind alternating substances to enter a state of hyper awareness to then go on to hunt animals. These practices have cultural and spiritual significance to these groups. But these hunting groups to my knowledge never only used 1 type of weapon. Maybe it’s a nitpick but I was hoping for something more lore wise. But I guess the basic job also gets basic lore. Hopefully I’m proven wrong with the full release.

[@baronfuath5872]

@@Kodiie they only use one type of weapon in FF14 because that is how FF14 does jobs. they could have done what they did with MCH and make it the "many melee weapons haver" job, but then some people would confuse some of it's abilities pulling out new melee weapons for entirely different jobs if they did that. the only reason MCH is allowed to have more than one gun is because MCH is only allowed to have guns, big guns, and more guns. On top of that, Vipers move so fast that you'd need Gpose to even appreciate those extra weapon types if they did make Viper the "many melee weapons haver" job.