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[@Synonymous101]

This video really shouldn't exist, everything that could go wrong did go wrong! Nevertheless, here it is! Thanks for watching 😃👍

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

_eat the baby_

[@blackhatfreak]

April Fools video is a must

[@aircavlt7324]

currently running a fallout dnd campaign based in the pitt this video was a godsend🙌

[@nickmontalbano9573]

Murphy’s Law. We get it

[@shives673]

Are these mods? The game looks so good.

[@t.rellis834]

I really like how the Pitt keeps the aesthetics of Fallout 1 and 2

[@imnotaracistokay]

One of the good things that came from Bethesda imo, is the pitt, point lookout and far harbour but that's it

[@historynerd2373]

​@@imnotaracistokayfallout 3 has a few good quests, the republic if dave, tranquility lane, agatha's violin, hell oasis is actually pretty good too

[@imnotaracistokay]

@@historynerd2373 yeah they're pretty good too imo

[@MrfrogAXN]

The Pitt is one of my favorite DLC’s thanks for making a video about it.

[@gizmochalie1046]

I liked if you go to the water right at the big red bridge u die instantly from rads

[@SiCKenz]

My problem with Ashur is that if he really believed what he says, you would think he would try to improve living conditions for the "workers". Saying he is going to cure them and free them and rebuild the Pitt is all well and good, but in the meantime these people are being tortured and abused daily by his gangs with the same level of cruelty (or worse) as all other raider gangs. And the most Ashur does about it is to demand they call the slaves "workers", while neither his men nor him seem to genuinely care about the difference.

[@Shane-impact]

it's probably his way of trying to enforce something to help him cope/not face his actions. He decided to enslave others, but does not wish to bare the title of enslaver.

[@TheiTzCynical]

Even if he did have good intentions for the Pitt and wanted to free the people and rebuild, the problem is his army is almost entirely composed of Slavers. Some of the most wretched and vile raiders in the wasteland. If he tried actually turn things around, they would all turn on him.

[@TalosBjorn]

Ashur is a liberal

[@drstrangelove307]

@@TheiTzCynicalhe could always send those raiders out into the city for Trog cleanup to thin their numbers out and then betray them once they’ve been weakened.

[@maximtkachow]

Well, nailed The Pitt twice and both times for the Ashur. That's because he tries to really rebuild something. Not to scavenge some scraps or spoils, but to remake things. In other words, he fights entropy, and that, at least, deserve some credit.

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

I agree completley. Ashur can actually build a good future. The slaves have nothing. I.R.L. the slaves wouldn't be able to not be overrun by trogs..

[@widows_tear4533]

@@theblondesiouxsiesiouxu do realize tht you start the dlc by being KIDNAPPED AND SOLD. there is no good choice or good people as options for leadership

[@maximtkachow]

@@theblondesiouxsiesioux the thing is that I try to destroy slavery and slavers in every game possible (I've wasted Paradise Falls in every Fallout 3 playthrough, killed Metzger in the Den at first opportunity in every Fallout 2 playthrough, never side with the Legion in Fallout New Vegas playthroughs, even just to see their quests, etc.). But here... that's completely different story. I guess for Ashur speaks also his honesty - he knows, that he's doing not the prettiest thing in the world, and he doesn't like to do it one bit, but he must do that. He must be a tyrant, a leader of slavers and raiders in a hope of acheving a better future. Or even the chance for the better future. That's what differs him from men like Eulogy Jones, who do slavery for caps, or to satisfy their lust for sadism, or just for the sake of slavery itself. And also, to use a child as a bargaining chip is low. I know, I'm terribly naive, and all, but if you have some trouble with someone in particular - deal with that someone, leave his/her family alone.

[@blakebailey22]

The fallacy is that you and Ashur think the only way to build something is by needing slaves- he can also remake civilization without slaves, look at the NCR. And I don't think you'd be so sympathetic to Ashur if he forced you to work in the factory

[@maximtkachow]

@@blakebailey22 of course I won't be :D

[@matthewsoriano3438]

Ah yes, the Pitt speedrun to eat Marie for immunity mod goes crazy

[@hollismoore1097]

Baby back ribs

[@ian7064]

You can disagree with Ashur's methods but can't deny he's getting results. Plus I have more faith in him (BoS background) and his wife (scientist) to actually figure out how to produce a cure than I do in Madea (a Tyler Perry character) and Werner (only one good eye) to do so

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

I always side with Ashur. 'Cept for the time I didn't so I could see the other side of the plot... Like I.R.L. would you side with a bunch of (essentially) bums with some guns to successfully rebuild a city (I.R.L. most slaves wouldn't even know how to read tbh), or a well organized militant group with an actual scientist...... I mean come one. Essentially the pitts moral dillema is Slavery v. Abolition. In a situation like fallout 3, slavery may be the right choice..... As a historian, every successful society has used slavery (at one point in history) in a fallout situation slave labor would definatley have a positive impact on society.... You know, minus the slavery...

[@dannyvoid]

@@theblondesiouxsiesioux I feel like the moral dilemma has to be detached from the practical outcomes of slavery. I.e. sure the slavery may bring a net positive to the area, but the moral question might be, is that area *worthy* of existing, if that's what it required.

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

@@dannyvoid Eh, it's a youtube comment.

[@blakebailey22]

The ends don't justify the means, especially when the ends can be met with other means. Ashur doesn't need slaves, same with the NCR

[@saphirebandit93]

for me, it pretty much felt like the slavery would continue either way (i.e. under new management), and Ashur actually had the most legitimate chance of producing a cure and not killing the baby. If there'd been a third option where neither group end up in charge, it would change things.

[@blahlbinoa]

Being from Pittsburgh, it's so surreal crossing the Liberty Bridge into downtown and seeing the ruined skyline. I Originally bought Fo3 because of The Pitt DLC, and I remember the news channels talking about it mainly because the devs who made it are from Pittsburgh

[@abyss9316]

Probably one of my favorite moments in the entirety of the Fallout series is when you are crossing the bridge bleeding into the pit gazing at that irradiated Wasteland capture the imagination unlike any seen in the Fallout Universe in my opinion

[@colddaze6680]

It's my favourite Fallout dlc ever. And I totally get what you mean. There is some kind of twisted beauty about it. It's almost pure hellscape. But some how , some where there is a sense of peace in it you can find. I dunno, I think it's like. If I can survive and thrive in the Pitt. Fight my way out of the hole. I've gotta be one of the toughest soldiers in Fallout. There's not much else in the wastelands that can really hurt me . Not much else in the wastelands that is more scary ( except for stumbling into a hungry death claw.) Not much else ( except for the Divide maybe). that is more full on than the Pitt. Not every Pitt raider is a heartless scumbag either. Some are kind of alright when you get to know them. But they are definitely the toughest raiders, and some of the toughest soldiers in Fallout. Pound for pound, up there with the Khans ,easily.

[@kylecollinson6782]

this was fucking fantastic. the Pitt being a dlc for FO3 and then getting a really in depth background from FO76. you covered this very well!

[@jackbrooking4754]

Perfectly timed. The announcement of the Pitt Capital Wasteland mod had just stoked my excitement again.

[@Feyyore]

Yeah... this was a really tough choice. xD Though it felt wrong the lesser evil was to side with Asher as eventually he wont need to use such harsh measures. That and the lone wanderer was fresh from the vault so is free to "make poor choices" due to their youth and lack of world experiences.

[@garou9914]

My issue with siding with Ashur is that there's no guarantee a cure could be even produced. Even in today's technology doing something like that would prove very very challenging, let alone with lesser medical knowledge, harsher environments and way less available technology and equipment. There's also no guarantee he'll even free the slaves even if he finds a cure. Werner is also a bad person, and for all we know he might just become worse than Asher. It's a tough choice, but i eventually chose to free the slaves because I can't possibly excuse slavery for any reason.

[@UnsungBird]

When he dies that's when it will fail. These slavers will wait for the chance to take over.

[@valisbyte8461]

Easiest choice in the frickin game imo. Free the dumbass slaves and let them experiment on Marie and kill her without finding a cure OR let them slaves be slaves and actually build something with their useless lives under Ashur while the actual SCIENTIST does the careful experiments on her own daughter and actually finds a cure. Plus, them motherfukers Wernher and Midea fuckin lie to you from the start, Wernher says "free my people" leading you to believe he is one of the slaves when he's just a privileged raider who wants power, and frickin Midea who also lies to you, Wernher says "find a slave named Midea" which she doesn't deny, well boo-fuckin-hoo she ain't no slave actually and she teaches the slaves to be content being slaves. Example would be that guy to whom Midea read an exerpt of a book telling him to not strive for freedom, otherwise he'll be unhappy not having it or sum shit. Mofuggah then says he's happy being a slave like wth boah?? Easy choice imo. Ashur the BoS exile and an actual scientist rebuilding something in that shitty ass pitt

[@Vantud391]

When I first played this dlc, I was like "I'm gonna overthrow this bastard overlord...". When I finally meet him: "Oh...."😳

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

I always side with Ashur.

[@davis3138]

Yeah I agree, Ashur actually has a plan. Neither Wernher nor Midea know how to make a cure, nor what to do with the baby. It's not like they're doctors or have experience in vaccinology or anything. Their plan basically ended with getting that baby.

[@danielfleming5585]

I believe that canonical The Lone Wanderer is still searching for those 100 steel ingots.

[@colddaze6680]

Haha that's exactly how it went with me.. Then you meet Sandra and the baby. Then you're like .. Werner wants me to kidnap baby and kill Sandra , or Ashur if I need too. Then you're like nah.. And when you go back to tell Werner you didn't kidnap the baby. He loses it, and speaks like baby is just a piece of meat. Just something to be used to get what he wants. He doesn't even really care about the baby or the slaves . You find out how much when you side with him. He's a weasle that pretends to care about the slaves . Or the right thing to do. Ashur actually does care about rebuilding the Pitt. Even cares about the slaves and will execute any Pitt raider that torture or kill a slave for no reason. Ashur and Sandra will heal every one once the cure is perfected. So Ashur is the man to trust. Slavery not cool. But he wants you to treat then well. And they do have the option of becoming a Pitt soldier fighting way out of the hole. Survival of the fittest, same as any other parts of the wastelands?

[@adrianaslund8605]

He's still kind of a bastard. His society doesn't need to be THAT cruel and having slaves earn their freedom by killing others is unnecessarily brutal.and how he calls them "workers" feel like some kind of self decieving euphemism on his part. But I guess It's so that he can intimidate others into being compliant for the greater good I suppose.

[@caleblindsey5794]

By the time the NCR reaches the pit they will find the largest BoS faction in the wasteland

[@Pangloss6413]

NCR can barely maintain what used to be the single richest state in America, if they even managed to cross the Mississippi river it would be a miracle

[@spookyengie735]

@@Pangloss6413 I mean i don't think this quite correct, they clearly were able to maintain control of california for most part, considering they aren't a loose confederate of town and checkpoint but rather a more or less united and cohesive nation by the time of new vegas. They clearly have plot armor for being the "good" guy in new vegas so their expansion eastward isn't too unlikely. Whether or not they will maintain a present in the east coast in the 50 or so years after new vegas is yet to be seen. How thing are going for the NCR, they are more like to survive then most of the other faction in the game. As till now, only 3 place in the fallout universe can really be considered as a "nation", that being the NCR, Legion and the Capital Wasteland chapter of the BOS. The rest are just small town and mid-size settlement.

[@miguellimaverde4545]

Most people outside California see the NCR as Imperialist oppressors, so they won't be willing to join and neither cooperate with them, the "non Californians" would always be trying to get their independence and remove NCR influence from their lands, I really doubt they can expand further east past Hoover damn especially with the strong BOS that we see in fallout 4, the Midwest BOS, the Legion, the Chicago Enclave etc

[@valisbyte8461]

​@spookyengie735 if you talk to doctor Hildern in MacCarran, he will tell you NCR is going to face mass starvation in a decade or so due to their growing population and lack of resources. I don't think the NCR is competent enough to fix that. Also they are expanding west into the Mojave due to dwindling resources in California. The general population doesn't know about these issues and if you just lived as a normal NCR citizen, you'd think your "nation" would eventually conquer and reclaim the entirety of pre-war America, but it ain't like that. Depending on the outcome of FNV, the NCR, if they don't get the Vault 22 formula or if they lose the battle of Hoover Dam and subsequently lose on the resources the Mojave offers, they'll implode in a decade or even less than that imo... Even if they get the Vault 22 formula to grow food, they would fuck it up somehow, and kill themselves from within with that fungi mutagen that makes you a green trog. They're doomed anyway. Reject prewar - return to Enclave

[@TheWoollyFrog]

I refuse to believe there are no other factions between California and Pennsylvania.

[@davidlauterborn1396]

This man is literally one of the best if not THE best fallout lore channels ever

[@mandolorian162]

Oxhorn and Tkmantis are decent too, and tbh the most in depth is Epicnate

[@JavierLastiri]

Ashur's wife could be a runaway scientist from the Institute. Or the Enclave.

[@salperitore2117]

this DLC is definitely an homage to Escape From New York and i love it

[@jackbruno4748]

Yeah definitely a worth while dlc. You either prolong slavery for a chance of a future or do you just end it all and stop the slavery. It's all up about the future of the Pitt, but I still feel like Ashur definitely won me over with how fast he was able to pick up the pieces and make something out of it. Such a morale thought process though.

[@KosaiAvonej]

I can’t give a conclusive answer as to what the future of this story was from either side of the story. Ashur finding the cure simply means the two class system of the Pitt merely continues in perpetuity and with the slaves living longer lives and dont get killed because they degenerated into trogs or wild men much sooner. On the other hand Werhner and Midea on the other hand have almost no scientific capacity to research and develop a cure so it’s likely the baby Marie would live a miserable life of being nothing more than a means to an end that will in most probable outcomes yields no result in solving TDC. So really both choices result in more misery and suffering.

[@colddaze6680]

Not true as far as the slaves being permanent slaves. Ashur says in so many words. When the Pitt is rebuilt to the point we do not need slaves to keep it functioning . ( Also he means once the TDC and infertility that comes from anyone ,and just about every one infected with it to some degree. Once that is cured. He will offer freedom to the slaves.) Allow them to go or stay. Once the cure from Marie's DNA is perfected. And there is a home grown dedicated work force willing to stay and keep working the steel industry in the Pitt .And the work force is able to sustain itself ,without more slaves needed. He literally says he doesn't want to have to rely on slaves forever in conversation with him. Half the reason Sandra is working on the TDC cure for him, is so that infertility among the Pitt locals will be cured along with TDC. So ending the population decline amongst it's citizens , promoting ,allowing population growth, for ( those that will become citizens) When Ashur sets the slaves free. He's very upfront about it all. At least with you the player if you talk to him enough.

[@xxJacket]

Welcome to the Pitt

[@barrydalton4743]

Either way this DLC story comes down between two choices to see which are the lesser evil; a man that wants to make a community and civilization even if it’s through slavery with hopes that a cure is found things can improve. Or a man that clearly is more ambitious and doesn’t seem to really care at all for the slaves or even the cure as long as he’s in charge.

[@blablamann3802]

The Pitt is my favorite DLC because whatever choice you make at the end it isn't important. If you side with Werner you actually have to kidnapp a baby and kill the raiders, but the workers are still working at the cancerous factory, and if you side with Ashur the system stays in place but Marie's mother will keep working on the "cure".

[@1musamune]

I sided with Asher, because despite his actions, he isn't going to kill an infant for a fast solution.

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

Asher all the time. What he's doing is only wrong because we live in a world that hasn't been burned in nuclear fire. In a fallout situation irl, most people would prolly be down for slavery if it got them literally anything more than they already had... Also 200 years in the future after a f.o stats nuclear war, most people won't know how to read, and will have probably almost totally forgotten about history that isn't passed down stories of their local.

[@colddaze6680]

@@theblondesiouxsiesioux Valid points there that haven't been spoken of as yet I don't think. Yeah definitely. For some illiterates, more feeble types more inclined to be victims than competent self sustaining warriors outside in the wastelands . The trade off, of being a slave and of the fortified security of the Pitt. And having access to some meagre food sources. "Slop" is optional apparently?. Many who are not born fighters , might find the option of being a peon in the Pitt more attractive than having to survive all the chaos and the dangers of the wastes.I've heard dialogue from Pitt raiders more than once. That Pitt raiders go out on "food runs" for the workers. So proves there are definitely pro's that are stacked against the cons when it comes to the issue of being a Pitt slave .

[@smartax56]

you know its a good day when synonymous talks fo3

[@nickschaefer3306]

Synonymous - one of the best fallout lore narrators. Cheers

[@CrocvsGator]

Look, I'm just saying, nothing good ever came from Pittsburgh. Source: My parents met there.

[@TheLordUrban]

Mr. Rogers?

[@bruticusdude65]

I went with Asher, being caring for the slaves, I mean workers and wanting to help cure a disease shows he's not your typical raider boss ex brotherhood of steel. Wheres the other guy just wants to kill a helpless baby just to speed up a process yet something can go wrong by going a short cut

[@mcpossum]

Yes! New Synon! My week is now complete ❤

[@chaoticcrimzon2736]

It’s always a good day when Synonymous drops some lore!

[@Longshot441]

It's unfortunate but Asher is likely to be the correct choice in this situation. His ex background in the brotherhood gives him insight into tatics and leadership. Despite his methods he successful brought together the city and made it livable. Also I hold more faith in him and his wife a scientist to discover a cure.

[@Matt-md5yt]

glad you talked about my favorite dlc.

[@Tottokamm]

When I played through the Pitt DLC in a 16 hour session, I had nightmares, similar to the movie "Hostel 2005". F3 The Pitt did so much right, and fundamentally shaped what "Fallout" is for me, namely all factions are on purpose. The protagonist always supports the raiders so that in the end the raiders are always the winners. The "F3 Trog" clearly inspired the zombies in "Days Gone 2019", and I definitely want an F4 Remake reboot that feels as being on site as in "Days Gone 2019".

[@dannyacevedo174]

The issue I had with Werner's plan is there's no guarantee taking fewer precautions would result in a cure faster. While Asher's plan was slower, but more likely to produce results. While yes Marie would have a miserable life, even after the development of a cure, she'd at least be alive. Same argument for the end of The Last of Us

[@wruxiz6104]

God I always got in so many arguments with friends about the moral decision at the end of this DLC. They boil it down to "Bro its so easy, why would you ever not take the side of Werner and the slaves??" and when I try to explain to them that Werner and the slaves are just as bad if not WORSE than Ashur and his men, they just act like I dont understand the DLC. But yeah most of the slaves are former raiders and would probably treat the other slaves just as horribly if given the chance and power to. And Werner literally tried to take over is way more ruthless. Atleast Ashur cares about fairness and moral. The moral argument for this DLC boils down to whether or not you think its ok to push moral boundaries and harm an innocent baby to further the speed of the cure or is it wrong to do that. I personally chose to side with Ashur because while I do agree that its probably best to develop a cure faster, things under werner would be so so much worse and unjust for the people in the Pitt.

[@DaRican676]

I never thought you would actually make this video Thank You.

[@sylvananas7923]

I really like the little secret you can find in one of the unmarked buildings, a chinese spy cell with weapons and a few skeletons, I think you can even loot a unique variant of the chinese commando hat

[@Purpleisnotaflavour]

I like the new editing style, another great video as per usual!

[@megatronjenkins2473]

Now then, where are all these damn Fresh Apples coming from?!?

[@Jackal-xc9sw]

Babe wake up Synonymous posted a new Fallout lore video

[@ReaperSaga-3713]

Alright so when I first had the game I never had dlc and never got to play any of them until this year when I bought the game again for nostalgia reasons. Reached lvl 13 and decided it was time to try out the dlcs in about 12 hours I beat 3 including The Pitt. I didn't know what I was doing and had never done any of it before and by the time I got to Ashur for the first time I was bored and tired of dealing with the place so I killed him on the spot and stole the kid. My first thought was "My God I've become Kellogg...."

[@vortimerofkent128]

On first run I sided with Werner, but realized what a pile of metabolism-endproduct he was. From then on I always sided with Ashur. I would have wished for the DLCs to be more deeply intertwined, tho. Imagine after siding with Ashur and enraging the slaves one could have returned to establish a trade route bringing pungas and clean water to Pitt. That would have actually helped solve the problem of Troggification.

[@spookyengie735]

Honestly Ashur use of slavery is rather perplexing, on what hand i completely disagree with the use of slavery to build up the city, at the same time i can't ignore the result he have gotten using it. Unlike faction like Ceaser Legion, Ashur only want to use slavery as a way to kick start a nation in a place most wouldn't dare to consider home no more. He better than the Legion in that he doesn't consider slave as sub-human and actually hope to end the use of slave one a cure is discover and a nation developed.

[@colddaze6680]

Absolutely spot on. Any other scenario, I would be like nah no way. I'm not going to play slave driver for you. But then Ashur explains the situation. And that he does not allow them to be abused tortured or killed. He executes ,strings up any Pitt raiders that disobey him. That and he is having his own wife experiment on his own daughter to perfect a cure for the TDC. He genuinely cares about rebuilding the Pitt ,curing it's people. Restoring it and creating a nation state of industry and eventual freedom. Once the Pitt is rebuilt enough to function without slaves .Once every one is cured. People can choose to stay or go. That's about the fairest deal any kind of slaver would give you at any rate.

[@blakebailey22]

@@colddaze6680 People like you made me realize how easily evil can spread in the world. The slightest sense of convenience and you totally excuse Ashur. Slaves are not "needed" to restart civilization, just look at the NCR. Slavery is a lazy shortcut with the weak excuse of "ends justify the means." Would Ashur or you be as sympathetic to slavery if you were the one forced to work to the bone?

[@MillieBlackRose]

Even if a cure is found why would anyone wanna stay there? Bad water, bad soil, Trogs. Why make a nation in a dead place when you could move your people somewhere better. Even the Capitol Wasteland is better.

[@placeholdername3818]

Let's be real, though. Ashur seems to want to end slavery once a cure is made. Will he actually do it once that happens? I doubt it. The Raider gang under him love having slaves and he's the kind that will keep coming up with wats to justify it

[@colddaze6680]

@@placeholdername3818 He's not that simple, neither is the situation. He's proven himself a man of his word if you side with him. He's more a man of his word than Werner, that's for sure.

[@timothyharris1125]

Werhner is a Snake!

[@davidhong1934]

A tunnel snake?

[@timothyharris1125]

@@davidhong1934 No, an actual Backstabbing snake of a human and the nerve to look like Solid Snake from Metal Gear

[@Tommytakanawa]

Hell ya! Another synonymous vid.

[@justinkobularcik8208]

Fun fact, the ground water here in the Burg is already probably radioactive so I’m sure the Great War didn’t have that much of an impact.

[@Bengogi]

Omg wake up babe new synonymous video just dropped

[@nooneinparticular5273]

This is honestly one of the best choices in all of the 3d Fallout games. Because you're dealong with someone who is doing bad things with good intentions in Asher. And then Werner who is doing good things for only the most selfish of intentions. In the end, I do side with Asher, for the simple reason that I don't buy that Werner cares about the slaves "freedom" at all. They're just the means to an end and that end is that Werner wants power. If Werner gets power, I can easily imagine a world where Werner, sure, frees the slaves, but then they just end up as raiders again. Conversely, while Asher's hands are covered in blood and nothing excuses slavery, I can at least see his plan working. I believe his good intentions. Plus, with the overarching threat of getting trogged, he's the only one I see able to cure it. It's long odds to cure it at all, but Asher has a doctor and an immune child. Werner does not have a doctor. Either way, you hand the reins to someone not great. But I'd rather the person who is willing to do something unseemly for the greater good. Cause yeah, nothing justifies slavery, but I also live in the real world. The Pitt may well be the most hostile place in the known Fallout world, aside from the Sierra Madre. So to live there, extreme measures are somewhat unavoidable.

[@Ojibwa_Islandboi]

My favorite dlc of them all

[@jamescampbell6724]

Ashur, I just couldn’t bring myself to steal a baby.

[@villings]

- Ashur _!!_ - bless you

[@hackled_hookset9776]

mom mom get the camera it’s here!

[@TheFruitofTruth]

First time I went with killing Asher but immediately regretted it realizing Werner never had a plan but to overthrow the Pitt he wasn’t a scientist but a damn raider how the hell would he find a cure? I think ended my playthrough of level 21 and went starting a new game cause I hated my choice that much and always sided with Ashur

[@VicDScott]

Doesn't that friend of his know what to do? Plus if you do the right speech choices you can become lord of the Pitt

[@TheFruitofTruth]

@@VicDScott no she was in charge of taking care of the baby

[@VicDScott]

@@TheFruitofTruth If that's the only reason, it wouldn't be so important to steal her. Hell, there would be no reason for that part of the plot if they can't make a cure, it'll be just "either free the slaves even though they'll probably still die from the disease or side with the people making the cure. Oh and the latter are the slave owners." It's just a useless extra morality question. Plus, given the fact that the entire point of getting her is because she has the cure in her very blood, it makes no sense kidnapping her only to just take care of her and not produce said cure

[@riley2201]

I thought the Pitt was settled by west coast BOS on their way to the east coast

[@Synonymous101]

Based on dialogue from Ashur and Kodiak, Lyons' chapter had already reached D.C before investigating The Pitt

[@riley2201]

@@Synonymous101 ohhhh

[@eeroraute281]

Best fallout 3 dlc the moral choice here is the best i prefer ashur because he has an actual plan

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

When you actually use your brain with the choice in the Pitt, Asher is the one to roll with.

[@Morec0]

I actually have faith in Asher and believe his ending to be canon despite it being the evil one. To start with Asher, he strikes me as not only having good intentions but a proper heart. Yes, he carries out slavery, but he not only refuses to call them by that word but gives them opportunities - if barbaric ones - to escape that life. While it doesn't fully excuse the action, it does paint a picture of compassion that could very easily mutate into something else if circumstances provided - because always remember, the world of Fallout is a brutal place, and it takes what by modern sensibilities are monstrous actions to survive. There's a reason they happened in history and it's rarely because "they were evil". In my mind, were Asher able to build his kingdom up we'd see the brutality decrease as conflict with other wasteland states became the greater concern over survival in their home. Which brings us to the cute itself. Im sure I'll ruffle no feathers when I say there is next to no chance of Madea ever creating a cure. Even working off what the Ashers already had, i don't think she has nearly enough background or know-how to complete it, bar them being a step or two away - which, again, if tyat was the case I postulate there was no need to rebel, as they issue would have been sorted. In a place where your laborers are going to keel over any moment, again it being the world it is, you have to get as much out of them as you can, necessitating pushing them night and day to the point of death - a better alternative really than them going trog. But remove the threat of them murating into a threat? You can move more slowly, take things at a more careful pace, because now your workforce isn't a perishable tool, but an investment you need to protect. It doesn't fully change what they are or where they sre in hierarchy, but that's just something that will take time. Lastly, the lone wanderer him\herself: i do not believe they would side with the slaves over Asher - to be precise, i don't think they'd do so after learning the truth. After all, what is the wanderer's motivation throughout the story? "Where is my dad? They killed my dad." Family. For the lone wanderer to side with the rebels, he has to tear a child away from her parents, something that happened to the wanderer twice. And they're still just a kid, the wanderer JUST had all this happen. I don't see it likely he\she would have the heart to go through with it, even if we're told it's the moral good option, which tends towards canon. However, while I believe Asher has good intentions, and would treat his workers better once the situation allows, i do not think his thugs would. From the guy that hires us to the cast majority of the ines working for him when we arrive (such as Kurshaw), once Asher tried to soften how they treat people, they'd turn in him, eager to maintain that domineering control. There would be a rebellion again. What happens then is anyone's guess... ... But i like to imagine a scenario in which Asher and his most loyal followers fight back the outnumbering raiders to maintain control of their area. They're victorious, but Asher gives his life for it to be so. Little Marie grows up with her only knowledge of her father being what people tell her, the audio recording he made for her we can find, and his power armor. Power armor she will grow to fill as her mother and Asher's loyalists, his knights, if you will, guide and educate her to be a leader. Until, one day, she takes up the title as Marie Asher, Master of the Pitt.

[@zueicidesin2573]

Definitely went with Ashur because i hated Werner's face.😂 Plus i loved helping paradise falls.

[@texgum833]

In my fallout campaign 5 set in Pennsylvannia 5 years after fallout 4 Marie went off in search of the lone wanderer to thank him for saving her. She was raised by Midea after Ashur & Wernher were killed for being assholes.

[@skip2094]

Being from Pittsburg I love everything about the Pitt.

[@Drawbricks_Boy_2]

Im not surprised

[@Major_Jester]

awesome work, thank you.

[@joshuabuilds3051]

Oh no he's in his caps lock phase

[@ExcitedGo-Kart-my9hm]

Crazy because I literally just finished beating the Pitt and then got recommended this video.

[@Dealerofdeath1998]

Synonymous once again doesn't miss ❤💯

[@T2revell]

I had no idea so much lore was behind the Pitt.. wow

[@intellectualbadstudentnoir3885]

The best to fall asleep

[@sportydoubledee]

Great work as always

[@gremlininblue2601]

It seemed to me that Werner and Madea were going to take things out on the baby rather than actually try to find a cure, and I couldnt handle the thought of an innocent baby being used like that so I always sided with Ashur but figured it was not a choice my wanderer was proud of, being one of them, but did it for the sake of the baby

[@theclonelieutenant5976]

Heres that thing, even if they just made it a rare piece of dialog with Mccride or Preston (who heard it from mccride) and possibly Piper, ye could have gotten an update in the nuckaworld DLC with you know, the raiders ruling and youd get the info from a former wandering mercenary for the capital wasteland, a man that wants to better the commonwealth and a reporter. Seems like something they would comment on if you become over boss and take settlements. Possible Decon and X 88 but wether Decon cares about a place filled with 'workers' is different from X88 and him recalling a settlement that did the same thing the player is doing.

[@joshuamiller4733]

My buddies and I have been playing the Fallout RPG in The Pitt for the past two years, trying to make things better.

[@Jomi91]

14:08 wow, great plan.

[@rosee8140]

I think Marie would be such a cool character to meet in a future game.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

How many people got into vaults in time? And how many people lived in vaults without freaky enclave experiments?

[@ajosralastname7823]

The bos had yet to get to dc at that point. So cant have been said to have been "from" there. And saugus ironworks is a working steel mill.

[@blackferdinand2260]

Yeah i’m pretty sure they were just passing by the Pitt at the time

[@sasmo6515]

I chose the secret third option and ate the baby. I thought it was a joke.

[@cdcdrr]

I prefer the Ashur route. Werner's a failed raider who wanted to rule the pit without Ashur's vision. Had he been succesful the first time, his overthrow would have been a no-brainer. The only reason he wants to liberate the slaves is because it's his only shot at gaining power after failing the first time. And while motives shouldn't matter as much as outcome, Ashur's idea of restoring the Pitt's industry offers a better future for humanity, with the evil of slavery hopefully becoming redundant and unnecessary with the cure. Ashur and Sandra also seem more capable of finding such a cure, while also being more considerate of the child from whom the cure could be derived. Werner very obviously only sees Mary as a tool to exploit, and Medea just doesn't seem up to the job. The long term outcome under Ashur is the better choice, even if he has to use unsavoury methods to get there.

[@americannightmare1134]

Love this Channel 🎉🎉

[@andreaandolina7199]

Ashur. Order is always preferable to anarchy

[@SkyFly19853]

I completed Pitt Quest in Fallout 3 last week...

[@ironclamp5325]

I always side with Ashur. Because he’s willing to do what’s hard and uncomfortable for the sake of the end goal. Essentially the end justifies the means. I’ve seen some people here try to argue against the ideology and use the NCR as an example. But when you compare the two, the NCR had it easy in comparison to the Pitt. Like compare the two environments that the two were in, the Pitt is stated several times to be an especially hellish region in the American wastes and while yes there’s quite a bit of the NCR’s founding townships and cities that were in a desert, people could still farm crops and produce resources to sell. The Pitt? Ashur literally had to start coercing people to work the mills, which is hard and dangerous work in the modern day so I can only imagine realistically how it is for the slaves. The NCR started out as a series of alliances between towns. Who the fuck would decide to team up and trade with the Pitt? Even BEFORE Ashur showed up. And before he managed to get the steel mill up and running, what all could the Pitt produce? Trogs and crazy people with a side of radiation and industrial waste? And then there’s the population issue. Outside of the usual difficulties of child rearing and labor, what problems does the NCR, especially in its later years, have in comparison to the Pitt. Pretty sure there’s a lot of happy families in the NCR that never had to deal with watching their precious newborn turn into a fucking monster thanks to TDC. The sad truth is the NCR had it easy compared to the Pitt and any real arguments against the ends justify the means when it comes to the Pitt is simple whining about morality. The real world is not a nice and happy place most of the time, and the world of Fallout is even worse. Ashur is truly doing the best he can with an absolute shit hand. And at the very least the man truly WANTS to improve things and I have no doubt that he and his more loyal followers WILL improve things the second the chance is given.

[@natmcag7781]

I enjoyed playing the Pitt, i enjoyed it the most out of the dlc mainly because of the aesthetic of it and the eary places.

[@barronTV1]

Wish the Pitt was its own game, my favourite part of Fo3.

[@DirtCobaine]

As messed up as things are the Pitt has the greatest chance with Ashur at the helm. He already did more for the Pitt than anyone in the 200 years it’s been around. It’s easy to judge from a modern moral standpoint but survival is brutal and nasty. The Pitt is what it truly looks like

[@tarentino8o814]

Could you do a video about how far stretched the NCR is in the Mojave wasteland without actually securing the region, and how the legion and other enemies of the NCR were able to have a strong foot hold in the areas they had taken? (Nelson, cotton wood cove, red rock canyon, NCRCF)

[@anderplays6460]

I never played Fallout 3, but is there a way to strike a medium and help Ashur find the cure faster in exchange of him turning slaves into citizens or allow them to leave? With the population of the Pitt being able to procreate the need for either slaves or raiders would gradually end

[@ravenx308nissassa6]

I play dubiously in most fallout games, but killing children is a line I'd never cross. I always choose Asher to go with.

[@snokey1153]

Damn, Norte, rad king AND synonymous drop a video on Friday/saturday

[@barricadedpurifier]

Like the Legion and Fallout’s China as well as other factions, it’s another “Does the ends justify the means” sort of question. For the Pitt, I’d argue sorta since by the looks of things, it might actually work and in the long run might be necessary. But tbh, idk if he will keep his word about ridding slavery once he’s done with it as folk will come up with all sorts of excuses to keep it and idk if the raiders of the Pitt, who like their position of authority and are on a power trip, are onboard with getting rid of the labor force. They get rid of slavery and they might soon find themselves working the very same jobs that the slaves worked. Idk. Really like the DLC and wish it was delved it more.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

I got a question, were any of the vaults in the following universe not used for freaky enclave experiments and the population remains healthy and alive well?

[@gabrieldeoliveira5277]

One of the hardest decisions in video games, with no true good ending.

[@connorwatson7066]

I’d leave the Pitt instantly after arriving

[@michaelkenny8241]

In the Kanye West song No church in the wild. There's the lyrics "Human beings in a mob What's a mob to a king? What's a king to a God? What's a God to a non-believer Who don't believe in anything?" But I don't know where Kanye got it from originally? But it sounds a long the same lines if you can find the original quote?

[@FIREFOX274]

I don't understand, what was Ashur trying to build? It's not like the Pitt was a nice place.. So what did he even use the steel foundry for?

[@Anthony69420]

Dude I vaguely remember this dlc. I remember blasting my out and never looking back at that dump. I forgot how I did it but I hated the fuck out that dlc as a kid. Im going to try and replay fallout 3

[@StupidPerson-dh9bj]

based on what you just described it sounds like the Dead Money of Fallout 3

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

Between The Pitt, Point Lookout, and Mothership Zeta: Fallout 3 is my preferred Fallout game. (New Vegas is better but my god I hate deserts. I literally live in the Southwest, I hate deserts so very much. Wasteland is just different enough to enjoy.)

[@GtheMVP]

I don't like deserts either, so I'm glad we always have the strip on the horizon as a bit of relief. I don't know what I dislike more in games, all snow, or desert-like conditions.

[@DanWorksTV]

Nifty saga, dude

[@therookie7401]

When I first played the DLC I was young and just played for fun and didn't even notice the moral dilema. I thought there was a good and bad side. Then I got older, saw the story told, and damn. While one ending is certainly "good" it is still not perfect good.

[@robertbach9376]

This is real life city for Steelers fans

[@TheLordUrban]

It does seem like there is almost no continuity between 76 and the Fallout 3 DLC

[@jasohavents]

Asher isn't the worst human being. His goals are pretty noble. Werner is an unpredictable element who isn't afraid of playing dirty to win. Our modern standards say slavery is bad and we should end it... But also almost every great empire was built on slavery. It tends to be a natural point or societal evolution sadly.

[@kylelewis9163]

Eat the baby. No don’t eat the baby!

[@Nagatem]

Gantu voice: Troglodyte!!!

[@silent596]

On first playthrough, i sided with Werner. It made sense. Free the slaves, kill the raiders, cure the thing, and the baby would've been taken care of by Medea. But, as i got older, i found that i sided with Ashur more. I don't agree with the slavery or employing raiders who would kill the slaves at a moments notice, or the living conditions. But he got results. He made The Pitt relatively safe to live in, he took care of his people, he granted freedom whenever it was earned, and i believe that upon curing the thing he would've freed everyone. It makes sense. He doesn't like the notion of slavery, he's got a strong military presence, the only working steel mill, a strong foundation for a nation, trade routes, the works. Without the fear of wild men or trogs, there would be no need for a man like Ashur to keep slaves. It provides him no tactical advantage, he's already willing to free them when they perform well and punish raiders who step out of line. At the end of the day, he cared about his daughter and wanted to make sure she was safe and cared for while trying to create a cure as quickly as possible for his people. Of course it's all speculation and hypothesizing, but it made more moral sense to me to support Ashur over Werner.

[@42069daddysgirl]

Still looking for the forbidden pizza rolls