SYTHIS vs OB NIXILIS vs TYMNA|JESKA vs KINNAN - PLAY TO WIN GAMEPLAY WITH JOSEPH JOHNSON

This week we're joined once again by Joseph Johnson of Tabletop Jocks to play some cEDH
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[@Olivia-ev9hk]

I think that was less "Tyler made a mistake" and more "Tyler has given up on this game in the face of overwhelming disadvantageous boardstate"

[@ghost64626]

"Live" on camera, we get to see Tyler make a mistake!!! Truly a historic day

[@vansinkalliandrios8997]

I had never even considered cEDH, but now here I am, 8 hours and who-knows-how-many videos later, and all I want is to be in a pod with you guys getting metaphorically "jumped in" to the competitive commander lifestyle!

[@vansinkalliandrios8997]

P.s. I just bought Ob Nixilus for my Prosper deck, and I didn't realize how strong he really is. May be switching commanders now.

[@cy4will829]

Once you make the change you’ll see it’s a completely different game entirely but so much fun !!

[@lokumo13]

I made the switch after playing Prosper for 2 years. It was fun but the commander not having a direct gameplan was a bit boring after a while and Ob being able to hit hard in addition to providing so many more cards has just been so much more enjoyable.

[@mtgspanglish731]

Get ready for LONG turns of just thinking, 5 minutes to play a basic land! After playing a few games I went back to strong casual.

[@vansinkalliandrios8997]

@@mtgspanglish731 I may linger at strong casual.... but I really do wanna have just one competitive deck for the masochist in me.

[@TheGrifcannon22]

I'm glad you talked about the Hoarding Broodlord line. I am building the new Roawn and was trying to think of what that combo was.

[@ernestgarcia5488]

Sythis didnt do much but damn that blind obedience was kinda funny watching everyone off balanced just a bit

[@damo9961]

Looking at the decklist, it's full of high cmc casual all star cards. The decks on the database, and mine all have much lower average cmc and more stax, especially Null Rod/Ouphe/Stony Silence and have been off Heliod+Ballista for a long time. No Veil of Summer but it does have Teferi's Protection basically sums up this deck.

[@gorzakMtG]

yea joe has never been known for playing actual cEDH @@damo9961

[@Andrew-ii2lf]

Actually dylan forgot to add a treasure for systis trigger could have won but got blind obedience 😅

[@francoj.maltese2584]

I'm just happy that sythis got in a video. The performance wasn't the best but im glad mah girl got some love

[@elDetroiyt]

Loved Cam's Ob Nixilis, I'm actually going to build him, great episode as always.

[@hulloclayton6685]

can we get longer episodes back? love ya play to win

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Next week’s episode has two games in it!

[@warrenm72]

​@@PlaytoWinMTGon the second game play in reverse order of game one

[@titak7755]

Ob Nixilis is such a cool commander, as soon as he was spoiled I knew I had to build him. Love to see him at the cEDH table! Soft spot for Sythis too, my OG cEDH commander.

[@jakedalle1]

I'm courrently playing ob nixilis in normal EDH and it's so fun ! Love to see him in a competitive table ! GJ Cam!

[@odyseeus]

He really should only be played as a competitive commander but you do you boo boo

[@rhystictomato5635]

Wawa shirt STAYS undefeated hell yeah cam

[@Vagrantlol]

the thing i look forward to most with these videos now is the different faces Dylan makes in the beginning lmao

[@jvt3888]

Loved the jank lord episode, you guys were hilarious

[@zachwiley7740]

Backing track for this ep was sick. 🤘🏻

[@cameton_youtube]

It's Joe! Looking forward to this episode

[@MomirViggwilv]

Hey Cam, if you've been picking up Nymris, I'd love to see some gameplay of her on the channel! That deck's all the new buzz, but I still haven't seen any videos of that deck on youtube.

[@Highwang]

Alt Episode Title: "Poor Little Kinnan Player"

[@GOOMBAHx]

Every video is great!

[@kellyperry5009]

Ob Nixilis seems super fun! Definitely grabbing one on my next order

[@a_level_70_elite_raccoon]

I love how we've had so many months of Kinnan/Tyler's absolute dominance, having to sit through hours of "Kinnan is the best deck in cEDH" discussions, watching him wreck shop totally unopposed and now watching him get *totally dumpstered.* Great stuff, give me more. I've never really tried any cEDH decks outside of my normal Kalimax or Ishai/Jeska Control decks, but Ob Nix has me *very* interested.

[@joskajiri]

"TYLER DOES MESS UP, TYLER DOES MESS UP" says Dylen with stars in his eyes 💖

[@sabastianfeakes6279]

Bro Dylans eyebrows deserve an episode of their own lmao they have their own personality

[@JohnSmith-hs9ez]

4:40 so crypt enters tapped.

[@McW0rk3r]

I'm confused by some of the choices in the Sythis list and would love to chat about them, like the 3 mana enchantresses over other combo pieces like Seedcradle witch or Cloudstone combos

[@laurelkeeper]

I mean, could also be running those as well.

[@AndrewWoodford]

Yeah Joe is a fun player and personality but his Sythis does not accurately reflect the cEDH Builds. I hope to see some on channels soon.

[@TripsAhoy]

Love me some Ob Nix decks! ❤❤❤

[@Trogdorbad]

>Choke LET'S GOOOO choke is such a funny card

[@alainlamour5868]

Play obnix at a few local tourneys. Final pod every time - the deck is nuts! It’s like a rhystic study and a kill condition and a combo piece in the command zone lol I tried a slower build but he pluses so quickly there is like no reason NOT to make the deck turbo. I tried building it like a faster midrange but then eventually I succumbed to making it turbo naus bc even if I don’t naus just being able to turbo OB out is a real advantage engine on its own.

[@jakemaxwell3810]

List?

[@alainlamour5868]

@@jakemaxwell3810 I’ve tried like 7 times to post this list. KZbin keep erasing my comment so imma post it right here: 1 Disciple of the Vault 1 Dragon's Rage Channeler 1 Goblin Welder 1 Goldhound 1 Hope of Ghirapur 1 Kederekt Parasite 1 Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer 1 Dauthi Voidwalker 1 Dockside Extortionist 1 Firebrand Archer 1 Goblin Engineer 1 Kessig Flamebreather 1 Magda, Brazen Outlaw 1 Orcish Bowmasters 1 Birgi, God of Storytelling 1 Dualcaster Mage 1 Mayhem Devil 1 Opposition Agent 1 Professional Face-Breaker 1 Bubbling Muck 1 Gamble 1 Imperial Seal 1 Infernal Plunge 1 Meltdown 1 Rite of Flame 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Feed the Swarm 1 Grapeshot 1 Jeska's Will 1 Praetor's Grasp 1 Wheel of Fortune 1 Culling the Weak 1 Dark Ritual 1 Lightning Bolt 1 Pyroblast 1 Rain of Filth 1 Red Elemental Blast 1 Rending Volley 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Abrade 1 Cabal Ritual 1 Desperate Ritual 1 Final Fortune 1 Pyretic Ritual 1 Tainted Pact 1 Tibalt's Trickery 1 Wild Magic Surge 1 Deflecting Swat 1 Fire Covenant 1 Bolt Bend 1 Deadly Rollick 1 Ad Nauseam 1 Chrome Mox 1 Jeweled Lotus 1 Lion's Eve Diamond 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mana Crypt 1 Mox Diamond 1 Mox Opal 1 Mana Vault 1 Sol Ring 1 Springleaf Drum 1 Arcane Signet 1 Defense Grid 1 Fellwar Stone 1 Grinding Station 1 Cloudstone Curio 1 Chains of Mephistopheles 1 Roiling Vortex 1 Underworld Breach 1 Necropotence 1 Burning Earth 1 Manabarbs 1 All Will Be One 25 lands

[@CH3WI3B]

Dylan tapping his permanents like that has to be psychological warfare.

[@bladeraider91]

There was definitely a point where i wish we could of gotten an jump in from Tyler in post to say or not say something (just stares at the camera)

[@Larsen1c]

these ”begin” and patreon listings getting pretty trippy 😂

[@CeltiesSin]

Damn Ob nixilis is so cool; I have a group slug built around Klothys, but I think he might be the new helm of the deck

[@peteryankowsky]

I love that Tyler is still just sitting on Kinnen bein the Goat. OTP life is a hard life but I love to see it every time!

[@maydaynation3349]

Tyler is my spirit animal.

[@Jugglerman]

ob nixillis seems very good. Glad to see alll the weird cards it can play

[@alainlamour5868]

I top 4 my locals 3x with it and my local Meta is extremely competitive. Basically it seems on par with the Mets which is tivit rog/si and blue farm.

[@nicholasbowdler9447]

How do you guys feel about Virtue of Courage in a Ob Nix list?

[@SkaalKesh]

I feel like it would be quite a bit worse than Ob Nixilis because it only lets you play the cards that turn, as opposed to Ob Nixilis who lets you play them until the end of your next turn. Virtue of Courage thusly doesn't synergize with things like Mana Barbs or Kederekt Parasite, some of the best cards in Ob.

[@teocobos7662]

Unrelated to the video but I'm traveling to Philadelphia for a conference and in my spare time I want to visit any LGS in the area. Anybody got good recommendations?

[@MrGrovak]

Algorithm boosting comment!

[@Razzia334]

I feel like Dylan is playing every color but Green for Yisan just to spite me personally 😐

[@bobthor9647]

What happens if someone counters the All Will be One ? Although ive been liking my Ob Nixilis deck for classic EDH, it seems hard for it to compete with the high level CEDH , maybe the lists will improve over time

[@TheHutt0326]

Did nobody look over the Sythis deck to make sure it could compete? I love the commander but that list doesn't hold a candle to the other decks.

[@OnTheStackMTG860]

I'm curious of how I can possibly do a match against you guys I built a high power non cedh deck but it's a brew I threw together that I'd like to try and see how it does against some of the best I took it to a timetwister Qualifier and had everyone watching the matches like what the heck is going on right now.would love to try it out against you guys and maybe get some input on possible changes

[@seanbaumann8825]

I really hope Cam meant to say “come out on top” in the intro lmao 😂 I’m horrible I know.

[@LegacyTangent]

If Cam sends Dockside Extortionist to attack a lone player (Tyler), that would trigger his commander, yes? Maybe better than hitting Dylan for the extra one damage.

[@alexbaumann9690]

Where’s did Tyler get that sweet sweet kinnan art

[@hellproof2379]

Can someone explain why Tyler played mox turn one with no use out of it yet ? I know there is one just don’t know it lol

[@TheHutt0326]

Because casting it now is free. If he holds it there is a chance an opponent plays a stax piece or a rhystic study effect that would then force him to give something to play it.

[@Dgoold2]

Generally I think the idea is to get it out before a potential Stax player plays something like a deafening silence or RoL or blind obedience. In this game it helped him have the Mox Amber out already on Turn 3 tapping for 2 with Kinnan

[@hellproof2379]

@@Dgoold2 makes perfect sense. Thank you.

[@juggernautstark1]

Cam opened well for Ob. I still stand that Ob is capped at high power to low tier cedh (fringe). It’s not real but if the table lets it do it’s thing then of course it does it’s thing. Oh & Tyler timewalking himself feels bad.

[@alainlamour5868]

Yea… Ob is good cedh magic. I think this version is a little slow but the commander is actually nuts. Idk if it’ll ever be Tivit could but it has potential to take over the game in a way similar. The colors being inferior to esper is prob the difference but.. rakdos is really good nowadays so.

[@juggernautstark1]

@@alainlamour5868 the slow version is the more consistent version, but it’s too slow and inefficient to be even A tier. When you add in all the other 2-3 card combos your hand/deck is filled with bricks and if one of those pieces goes to exile and you don’t get a chance to cast it given the game state it feels like arbitrary wasted space (glass cannony)… but when you play against hyper tuned A & S tier decks either version of Ob is too slow and too inefficient. Even if you opened cracked, the card quality is so meh compared to 3-5 color piles.

[@alainlamour5868]

@@juggernautstark1 I’ve tried the slow version. It’s too slow. The fast version has been performing extremely consistently. Just casting an early ob Nix on turn 1 or 2 functions similarly to a rhystic study already. I’ve taken the deck to a few local tournaments already. I’ve top foured every time and my local area is very reflective of the overall meta. I expect to see it shown in the Meta more. I think it’s better than Rog/ Tevesh lol my buddy won a few with Rog/Tevesh and to me they seem comparable.

[@bonaface]

zero removal for ob. nice.

[@bruhgh609]

4:43 is a stack I hope I never see

[@kairucamp]

i can empathise seeing ur mana dorks and kinnan being removed by orcish, im a bit scared to cast mana dorks when i play kinnan when opponent has orcish in play HAHA have to remove

[@toctheyounger]

There's definitely other lines with broodlord. That said i don't think theres anything dylan couldve done with no spare mana

[@pirateye68]

Did cam have enough cards to kill both opponents?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

He doesn’t need enough cards. Put a counter on to deal a damage to put a counter on etc. the exiling cards is just also what will happen. Doesn’t matter if he runs out.

[@pirateye68]

@@PlaytoWinMTG cheers, I have just gotten caught out with the brallin discard to damage before. Thanks for explaining the mechanics without making me feel feel too much of an idiot 😁

[@masterpenjui9654]

Bro I saw the name of the vid and didn't see the | between Tymna and Jeska and I though someone had a stroke or something making this lmao

[@pap3rkat573]

Containment priest also hurts kinnan

[@mimic_ssb]

Ob Nixilis!!

[@emarmy00]

OB Gud 4 ShUR!!

[@boredindividual]

As a Kinnan player as soon as I see a cursed totem/cage or worse yet both on the field its generally a ctrl + alt + delete log off type of vibe.

[@MageSkeleton]

Very good game, i still feel that Orcish Bowmasters should be banned and you would think it would be wrecking casual tables enough for the commander committee to notice. Wow that blind obedience slowed down all opponents.

[@Vuietnam]

Pog

[@Nileathus]

Make an Angus mackenzie cedh deck 😂

[@damnjekyll]

Did Cam have 90 cards in library to exile at the time of the loop? EDIT: I seen at least 13 or so cards on his board and in grave at the time of presenting his infinite which would mean he's a few cards short of exiling for damage triggers n actually wrapping up the final player, but mistakes happen as stated towards the end. 😅 Not to mention card in hand, his library was definitely short on the 90 life needed to be dealt.

[@TwitchRR]

He doesn't have to actually exile any cards to do the damage. All Will Be One triggers when a counter is placed on a permanent, which happens as part of the Ob Nixilis trigger even if your library is empty so the loop can continue for as long as it needs to in order to kill everyone.

[@damnjekyll]

@@TwitchRR ahhhh, hot damn that's strong. 💀

[@clowninround4987]

Have yall thought about doing the Just Another cEDH Event? It would be really cool if yall were there to help out!

[@aaronsoat5480]

Now Tyler can’t be so salty about Orcish Bowmasters since he got Agatha's Soul Cauldron for his pet deck.

[@matthewskullblood9778]

i think ob nixilis would be most likely to come on top

[@ingolf82]

Obnixilis looks really fun, but I don't know if you are able to build a casual version of the deck, I mean, cursed totem and grafdiggers cage aren't very casual friendly :) Joe running Choke in his deck is really nasty for blue players.

[@MareczqZglos]

Play more removal!

[@primeshifter1699]

Just curious but don't you have to have enough cards in your deck to ping them you'd need 120 cards how many were there ... not sure I understand

[@thedoctor1471]

You don't need enough cards. Putting a counter on obNix and exilinh the top cards are simultaneous but separate effects. Together, it "just" wins. (I say just with quotes because thats a 9mana sorcery speed combo that still needs a starter.... But it does work, as we saw.)

[@ericmittmann8827]

Short answer: No, you don't, because the interaction between Ob and AWBO still happens, even if there are no cards in deck. I guess it's mostly because the counter happens before you exile, so the ping from AWBO definitely happens thus causing another counter to be put on Ob. Plus the counter and the exiling are not bound to each other. The wording does not say smth like "if you do, ..." The exiling is basically another action, for lack of a better term.

[@primeshifter1699]

@ericmittmann8827 OK, so not like drawing a card. And he won't lose the game because of not having any cards

[@primeshifter1699]

@@ericmittmann8827 thanks 😊

[@primeshifter1699]

@@thedoctor1471 thanks 😊

[@winniebowser4447]

do not start your video with the phrase 'which deck will come on top'... there is a vital word missing

[@Pathoslogical]

Please have Tyler make a non-kinnan deck and play it on the channel i can only see this so many times haha

[@t-dogg9556]

This game was just anti Tyler hard to watch

[@carnagejon]

Am i missing something ? You have to do 90 damage. So exiling 90 cards from the top of your deck ( probably less in it).

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Exiling the cards isn’t important and the combo can continue with out it.

[@nerfinatorrr9981]

Exiling cards is not the same as drawing cards. You only lose if you draw a card with an empty library.

[@DrkNinja_]

Dyl bro... you on a mad loss streak, you gotta build something crazy and clap some cheeks bro!

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

I’ve won a few of the wonkier patreon games haha

[@DrkNinja_]

@@PlaytoWinMTG good, I keep seeing you get smoked in these videos lol Starting to feel bad for the homie lol

[@timtauber5557]

Sythis had no chance against these decks imho.

[@izzyskeemy]

*Joe Is the Best Table Top Jocks for life*

[@bloodisnotpain5130]

Am I the only one who can't hear the video?

[@fnx.M]

I'm sorry, but that Sythis list is so bad 😶 would y'all follow CEDH TV's example and invite someone to play an actually competitive Sythis list on stream?

[@jeffwren7815]

Guys. Come on. You fucking called attention to Burning Earth, it's on the screen for less than a second before you guys talk about it and then you guys cut back and it disappears which means I have to pause the video and get on Scryfall.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Exploring scryfall is fun!

[@RitzyJ]

Pretty poor play to mana drain tymna. Basically, guy just lost everyone the game by doing that lmao. If you hold it up instead of playing cards from your hand just cut it man. Run something easier/cheaper to cast that way what just happened doesn’t happen.

[@acclrator]

Did anyone tell Joe you were playing cEDH? 😬🥲