T-62 TANK GAMEPLAY - APDSFS Smoothbore (War Thunder 1.61 Gameplay)

[@captaindreadnought212]

historians: "the chieftain was the deadliest tank of its time" gaijin: "lol nah"

[@jacksonstar3]

Cheiftan is better than this tank ingame

[@IAmStillNotMatthew]

Rifling was to make the shell more accurate, but it took it's energy, smoothbore is to increase it's energy on the cost of accuaracy. Fin stabilized shells are there to increase the accuaracy, something like that.

[@divinesan7786]

Not accurate but for stable the shell

[@nickryan6787]

@@divinesan7786 "for stable the shell". Thus making the shell more accurate?

[@divinesan7786]

Nick Ryan oh yeah you are right. Silly me.

[@ianprinzing1273]

Missed such an opportunity for the E.T theme when the T-10M took off lol.

[@Howdy762]

lmao damn phly needs to edit that

[@gameover_477]

I don't think he had the time to add it and he also used different software to record.

[@APPLEJUlCE]

Anyone watching in 2019. Im sitting here laughing about how the T-62 used to be "top tier"

[@cursedcliff7562]

I wish it was again

[@Christian-rd5bf]

Iam sitting 2020 xD

[@NIZZEL117]

Now 2020 :v

[@rau4329]

Now 2021

[@ginxetheprotogen9386]

Almost 2022

[@frankbradley4487]

Please play the M60A1, Ram and P-47N!!!

[@raulkiss9124]

OMG youre EVERYWHERE !!!!!! XD

[@frankbradley4487]

+Dymitry the gamer yup i sure am dude!

[@nahyanrajee198]

YEAH

[@joshu.9938]

YEAH THE P47

[@dominicpell7885]

Great combo.

[@dangalis7406]

Btw Phly, you read the penetration on the sabot stat wrong, its max pen at 30 degrees from the vertical plain (the way they say it instead of 60 degrees from the horizontal plain) is 119, so you got a lucky shot on that T54 1947 (he was stopping and he was tilting forward, thats why it penned)

[@Gatortribe]

Phly, where you were shooting the T-54 mod 47 in the hull it has 120mm sloped at a 60° *vertical* angle. Stat cards on shells shows the horizontal angle, so you have to look at the 30° penetration to know what it will be against the T-54 mod 47. Your stock APFSDS shell only has 119mm penetration against 30° horizontal, or 60° vertical, so you were 1mm short of being able to penetrate it.

[@floydikus]

the sabot is not good against slope and in Wt they have simulated that by giving it a higher % to just bounce off even if u got overmatch with pen and gun. that's why the t-34 seem to have stalinium armor

[@benlaskowski357]

The use of a smoothbore gun meant better performance from APFSDS and HEAT rounds: the spin that rifling imparts degrades those rounds' power. The stabilizer is only useful up to 20kph. The turret rotates a circle in 18 seconds. The gun's maximum effective range, direct-fire, is 3,000m. Its optimum range is 1,500 to 2,000.

[@ZeitrafferYEP]

Sabot rounds are basically arrows so they have more angled cones on the front and that is why they can easily bounce on a angled front except if you aim a little lower

[@TheDutchRanger]

The main reason for a smooth bore is to extend the barrel lifetime. When you are using fin stabilized shells you don't need a rifled barrel to keep the shell stable in flight that's what the fins are for.

[@safn1949]

HEAT is the way to go,it rarely bounces. We hardly ever used SABOT in the M60A1 and never HEP for tank to tank. Great video.

[@m000Theevilcow]

Hey Phly, another great vid, but just one small remark, I believe that rifled gun is more accurate then smooth bore but that is only worth it for HE and HESH rounds like the ones the British use often, it has the drawback that it needs its gun replaced after the coating on the rifled gun has worn out. Smooth bore guns on the other hand are capable to shoot APFSDS, Armour Piercing Fin-stabilized Discarding Sabot, It's a sub-caliber round. A thin, long and heavy rod that uses fins instead of spin to stabilize in flight. Such round is more effective than the APCBC rounds used in rifled guns capable of reaching longer range at an higher muzzle velocity. That´s why the US Army is using smooth bore guns on their M1A2 and M1A3 guns as they have realized that AT performance is way more important then shooting some buildings or heavy infantry emplacements a lesson learned at both Gulf Wars. Smooth bore guns are capable of firing canister rounds (liked used in some wars) full of golf ball sized tugsten balls for use against infantry and buildings. Keep up the good job !!!! Hope that you can start recording at 1440 or 4K some time soon.... :D

[@EngineeringVignettes]

Smooth bore can help with HEAT rounds as well; they don't work as well when spinning; it deforms the plasma jet. Later gen. HEAT rounds were designed for rifled barrels by counter spinning the plasma stream, but earlier gen. rounds really needed barrels without rifling for the best performance. Nice tank though, thanks for the vid. - Eddy

[@metanoia6335]

The t-62 was always notorious for a slow rate of fire. At most 6 rounds per minute due to the ammo ejector adding a longer reload and also lacking a fume extractor so the crew would inhale the gas of the spent cartridge. To prevent poisoning from the gas, crews often had to let it clear out to prevent build-up.

[@VIDSABOUTLIFE]

You have my respect Phly, it's not even a big deal that that one video was a little weird audiowise, I didn't mind, but you apologize and acknowledge your mistake. I wish all youtubers cared about their content and audience like that. We all know some who don't :D

[@SuperCookiemonser]

The T-62 has ATGMs aviable, the tank is still in use by so many countries that the is still ammunition in production. Including AT4 missiles. The soviets were shocked by the appereance of the L7 105mm gun. And Marshal Shukov said, he wants this gun in europe even if donkey need to tow it there, they did something with the breech so the gun would fit in there.

[@jewdidnaziitthrumping4410]

Phly the rifled barrel can be just as accurate as a smothbore the fins for stability on the round replace the need for rifling and also allows ATGMs and long barrel life

[@pani1205]

The first APDSFS round bounced because it has 119mm pen at 60 degrees and the T-54 you shot at has 120mm frontal armor, since it's the first one.

[@joshuafroughton4171]

smoothbore cannons when firing apfsds or heat shells achieve higher penetration than a rifled gun firing the same shell. and rifled guns are only more accurate firing solid shot. the fins on the apfsds and heat fs keep the rounds stable through the smooth bore

[@biboloxo]

Do you know that 60 degrees you see in the modification infor. equal to 30 degrees when you use the "armor" feature?

[@alanch90]

Reload time on t-62 was very slow mainly because of the size of the ammo, bigger than modern day 120mm (almost 1 meter long). For the loader it was difficul enough to move that round on such cramped turret, in adition the spent shell casing had to be automatically ejected (first it had to depress the gun to a specific position, making the gunner loose sight of the target) which took up to 6 seconds on itself if im not mistaken. T-64 was a huge improvement on this area because it used the same projectiles in a two part form factor, better suited for small turrets.

[@divinesan7786]

No because it has auto loader

[@juracan8591]

Phly, the T54 you shot is the one with 20mm more armor on hull and the 60° value on shot is actually the value for 30° and the one for 30° is the one for 60° on the field.

[@TwinklesTheChinchilla]

APFSDS not APDSFS. An easy way to remember it is that shot/shell type is detailed first, followed by primary and secondary modifiers and components. Shot type: Armor-Piercing, Fin-Stabilized (the fins are a permanent fixture in absence of rifling, due to the projectile having too great of a length: width ratio to stabilize from rifling. Therefore, the fins are part of the shot.); Modifier: Discarding Sabot, (concentrated powder burn evenly behind the shot, transfers energy to the shot, then discards in flight for maximum external ballistics).

[@benlaskowski357]

Your explanation for the smoothbore/rifling difference is incredibly simple, and accurate. Thing is, APFSDS and HEAT performance degrades in a rifled barrel: when spun the HEAT jet disperses more, hurting armor penetration. I dunno about APFSDS.

[@petrkdn8224]

it kinda doesnt matter for APFSDS since it has the fins to stabilize the shell so it doesnt stumble in the air, achieving more penetration

[@DaFlyingSnek]

P-47N! hype!! (attempt 3)

[@frankbradley4487]

YASSSSSSS

[@Bazz_COD]

YESSS

[@dominicpell7885]

Please war thunder.

[@burkinafaso64]

9:55 APCR and APDS shells are more likely to bounce from slopes than other shells

[@AxeltheD]

I remember that Gaijin at one moment said they will stop the tank trees at tanks with smoothbore cannons... Guess that rule doesn't apply when that tank is Russian.

[@KorianHUN]

Also, Russian smoothbore at the time was better than the M60 IN THE SAME ERA, except around 1500-2000 meters, when it started to diviate much worse than rifled western tank gun rounds did.

[@VectorGhost]

you do understand that the t-62 was a huge piece of shit. It wasn't until the t-64 when the russian tanks really started getting good.

[@Blackflack52]

this is wrong Gaijin never said "no smoothbores" only wargaming did that.

[@Lemard77]

Smoothbore or not, Chieftain APDS is better than T-62s APFSDS both in 0º and 60º angles, so really there isn't much to complain about... as long as they don't add 70s full tungsten APFSDS with +600mm of pen.

[@kamikazekit910]

.............

[@illiminatieoverlordgurglek140]

Grinding is just terrible now in war thunder. I've play for months and I just can't get passed tier 3 for some reason. It takes forever. Kinda ruined the game for me, so I quite.

[@cursedcliff7562]

Yeah get ready to feel your soul leaving when you try to get past tier 5 russians

[@MrHam-oi3xf]

oi are you past tier 3 now

[@Ome99]

Not exactly phly, the smooth bore was used because sabots would spin uncontrollably and deviate of target once sabots' diameter to length ratio went beyond a certain point. Hence they used smooth bores to allow firing of longer sabots that contained more KE and penetrated more. The more you know ===>>☆

[@ruthenius682]

Is there any substantial difference in damage that is dealt by default AP shell and that is dealt by an unlocked one? Because 3BM4's rod was made of steel (it was meh) but 3BM4's rod was made of tungsten which provided way, waaaaay better and greater fragmentation effect. It could literally spray the whole crew compartment with deadly shrapnel. Did anyone of WT youtubers aside PollyDolly notice that T-62's HEAT-FS shells have not only the best pen but also the worst velocity among its peers? 950 m\s vs Leo's 1173 m\s? Worse almost by 250 m\s actually. It's also noteworthy that T-62's shell casing ejection mechanism doesn't work in the game. I don't know if Gaijin have failed to implement it but in the reality this mechanism required some time to extract used shell casing therefore prolonging the reload time. I think that Gaijin might've decided to go without it and get an excuse to decrease reload time which was 16-17 seconds even for experienced crew. Finally, T-62 received ATGM (9К116-2 Sheksna aka AT-12 Swinger) only in 1980s after upgraded version - T-62M was developed.

[@klavdiym]

It was 54 47 -_- It has more armor. 10:18

[@FrankieJames7]

actually, the real reason why they went to smooth bore was because armor piercing arrows were getting too long to be stabilized by spin and needed aerodynamic stabilization, so rifling would be useless and only cost more to make, take longer, wear out faster, make the bullet go a little bit slower, etc

[@Handle423]

The Hatch at the back of the Turret should pop open when you're shooting, would be awesome

[@sebastianaspron3681]

T34-57-mod 43 and any tier 3 attacker of your choice why because you will be playing as a member of the 100 amored division which mision was to destroy tigers and panthers so do that, the free choice is because they used at least 5types of attack planes so I let you pick the one you want to use sorry if my english is not very good I am from Spain

[@sirilluminarthevaliant2895]

Sherman gun was gyro stabilized. Sherman tankers rarely ever stopped their tank when engaging German tanks

[@ConductorDon]

I was waiting for this tank to come to wt. Actually gave in and spent about $70 to unlock, buy, and upgrade it. Its a vast improvement over the t54 when going up against tanks like the chieftain, which was the bane of my existence as a t54 driver. Don't even waste your time on the stock apfsds rounds, just spend the gold and unlock the upgraded apfsds shell. It should be all you need to use for the most part, but I still got the heatfs as well anyway. You need to buy the firepower upgrades immediately after buying the tank because its sucks completely stock.

[@keithbardes5321]

i wish they would do something about spawn camping.......

[@LordDigz12]

Smoothbores are not more accurate then rifled barrels, just higher velocity without friction from the rifling and rifling isn't needed with long penetrator style sabot style rounds. The projectile is too long to get enough benefit from the rifle twist.

[@pytor8774]

Hey Phly, what laptop do you use? Does it run War Thunder almost perfectly? I am looking to get a laptop that can run War Thunder almost perfectly, preferably AlienWare.

[@lTralalal]

Phly overall do you reccomend the t-62? :D

[@z4zac05]

5 years ago omg

[@ryder9735]

i love the way phly just instantly bought the T-62

[@sonicnick1103]

Thank you for saying what u use to record I've been trying to start a KZbin channel but the recording systems just wouldn't work with war thunder but I'm getting it now. Also why don't u do the ju-87

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

If you look at the back of the turret in x-ray view, you can see some of the auto casing ejector modeled. Pls gib shell ejection animation!

[@hektonian]

Phly, your current opinion on the Ki-100?

[@pyrorambler5166]

Phly, you may have already seen a comment saying this, but it's almost always APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) not APDSFS

[@Valterius87]

Smoothbores are used exclusively for sabot ammunition. The Abrams has a smoothbore cannon.

[@leahmarvel4033]

Pharoc so does the t14 Armada and the new leopard

[@cursedcliff7562]

Everybody except for the brits use them, but they lile old tradition :p

[@pokemon1093]

gotta love phly when he dont even know what tank he come up against.. (example he came against T54 47 and though it was a 51..) which got a "huge" armor diffrence x3

[@sooper_succ7354]

When I saw that Raketenjagpazer when he turned left I was like well it was nice knowing ya

[@jonothedudeguy]

Of course they add another top tier for Russia

[@PhlyDaily]

dude Russian top tiers suck compared to leo cheif

[@jonothedudeguy]

+PhlyDaily if only I knew ;( tank grinding is so hard for me.

[@jonothedudeguy]

+PhlyDaily how do you do it?

[@MrSinny]

They needed it, the T54 can't compete with Leos and Chieftains

[@jonothedudeguy]

+ballsack chin :/

[@needmoredan]

Can't wait to get clubbed by these things in my T32 :(

[@Blackflack52]

you can penetrate the turret rather easy of this tank.

[@MrFalkor81]

You know that T32 was not designed to fight this kind of tanks and there shells? In spite of this it has 7.3 BR ?

[@Blackflack52]

MrFalkor81 I know that, cuz im a tank "geek" but the long 90mm gun is still able to get a penetration on the T-62s Turret at close range with M82 and at longer ranges even with the stock round.

[@bedouinknight9437]

poor T32 should be 7.0 ):

[@bedouinknight9437]

+Drumead Josh no just no T32 can't do shit in 8.0 battle it's slow and doesn't have good ammo to fight T10M and IT1, and the ABCR is shit can't do any damage.

[@v3rt1c4l2]

10:43 Which means that we able to go Repairing

[@adrikubel]

Unless they introduce late 70's tanks we won't have any T55/62/64/72 variants with ATGM's. I am hoping they fill out the line a bit more. T-44. T-55, T-55M, T-62. T-62M etc

[@austinblevins1457]

Phly I have a challenge for you! Using the T-62 I challenge you to only use HE rounds! Good luck!

[@DoctoEris]

Phly at the first clip you said you shot at the T-54 You did but thats a 1947 which has increased upper front plate armor (120mm) when compared to the T-54 1949 and T-54 1951 (100mm) Most APDS shells cant pen the front of the T-54 1947 (discounting the Chieftain) but it looks like the T-62 can pen the upper front plate of one buts its tricky

[@I_became_a_ghost]

Are you going to make a video of the "Ram", the premium american tank.

[@I_became_a_ghost]

I forgot a question mark, so here it is: ?

[@joshgarner8317]

it's actually Canadian

[@CujoSuki]

It's Canadian please and thank you

[@_1389_]

To explain it simply. What you said about the smooth bore is wrong. Rifled barrel's will always be more accurate, and the rounds will go faster. Example of a modern tank with a rifled barrel, is a British Challanger 2. It uses HESH rounds, for AT purposes, and they are not meant to penetrate, but cause spooling inside the tank, and kill the crew with the shrapnel that's made of internal tank parts, as well as disable various systems inside, mission killing the tank. Smooth bores are used because rifled barrels cannot shoot the fin stabilized APFSDS penetetrators, and also allow the use of barrel launched ATGM's. Such as the Kobra, Svir, Refleks, and Sheksna.

[@divinesan7786]

Abrams doesnt use ATGM, why does it switch from Rifle to Smoothbore? Because, the shell it uses right? Why do they use it if it is slower than rifle like you said? Because it doesnt like you said. If you compare Velocity of Rifle and Smoothbore, the Smoothbore will win because it flies faster, it doesnt lose power from the spinning and fraction, also, the APFSDS on smoothbore was known to be very accurate. If you look up, smoothbore vs Rifle, people will say Smoothbore is much better than rifle. The only reason why the British still uses the Rifle because the HESH, they love the HESH, but the HESH cant be Fin-stabilized so they have to use rifle to spin. Early model of smoothbore on T-62 cant shoot ATGM, later they modified them to shoot the ATGM.

[@abitofapickle6255]

I did some reading. The M60a1 was specifically designed to engage and destroy T-62's.

[@true2the_322]

That is such a dang good looking tank. I really hope they add IR systems in the game for the random night battles.

[@cursedcliff7562]

BRUH if only you knew

[@true2the_322]

@@cursedcliff7562 😂

[@kanerises9526]

I don't get it. Why does rifling work better for small arms, but smoothbore works better for larger calibers?

[@demetrimagnesium8545]

The Beast of War

[@Gunhappy443]

Hey Phly love your videos man! please play the M4A3E2 JUMBO! and the p-61c-1!

[@icy2527]

In real life APFSDS has flat trajectory so you could aim without elevation input at 600-700 m . I hope M60a1 will have APFSDS in the future . M68 gun could fire APFSDS too.

[@hayseed2360]

After 40 games with the T62, the T-10M is defiantly the more capable tank, so I find myself reverting to the T-10M as my first choice. The FS-Sabot is almost useless and I don't even bother to load any.

[@sarodorethedragon9865]

my biggest problem with this is that germany 's only tank they built past the Leopard 1 is the Leopard 2 other than a tun of prototypes on paper

[@tubbehht9236]

The APDSFS shells seem like they are bugged, i played it on the test fire range and the stock apds shell couldnt even pen the tiger 2 front plate. They have it modeled to where it only pens something like 200 mm of armor instead of 300.

[@akid1263]

what do you mean bugged if its angled? its extremely angled nad have thick armour and the only thing that can pen it is HEATFS from top tier vehicle

[@Johnnyynf]

In my imagination why they use smove bord gun is because APFSDS is better to not spin they use their little fin to stable itself

[@sakuramic1229]

Phly, did you still forget the upgrade of the gun adjustment?

[@Johnwick-jo8uo]

your doing atgms wrong btw right click when using them on the srtv 81 it-1 and the german atgm tank and m551 sheridan makes the barrel follow the target therefor the atgms follow your turrets barrel

[@nsitoraffa9519]

13:00 That moment when you got an ATGM flying at your face

[@GhostofRhurValley]

Phly you need a heat or really good sabot shells to pen the upper glacies of the t 54 mod 47 it has 120mm not a 100 like the the mod 49 n 51.

[@lukemahbob]

A rifled gun is more accurate but you were right about the velocity

[@tigerhawk84]

So no one is gonna comment on the fact that the shell velocity of that APFSDS is about a mile a second? 1650m/s is basically twice as fast as other top tier shells...

[@СемёнЛопаткин-ц9т]

yes it had ATGM but they created ARGM for t-62 only in 80s

[@eybroomz]

Back when people actually tested tanks, instead of taking a top tier Jet and bombing everything lol These were good times

[@ajburnett5640]

Do you record the Onward videos you do with devil?

[@andrealves2630]

I really hope they introduce the T-62 with the automatic gun lifting for reloading. This was a real setback for this tank

[@joonavalkonen3077]

bouht of those systems could be disabled if crew wanted

[@zarrakas6955]

if they still had hands ^^

[@andrealves2630]

+Joona Valkonen no they couldnt. If they turned it off, the gun would not extract the spent casing and the loader wouldnt have enough room to load a new round

[@Lemard77]

Yes they could, and the spent cases would just be laying on the floor like in all of the other tanks, if the number of cases were too much then it would retreat to unload them like in every other tank. Remember this tank was also meant for nuclear warfare so the automatic eject system would have to be turned off (tenk needs to be sealed). The crampness of the T-62 isn't that much more than that of the T-54 for example, yes the gun is bigger but the turret ring is much wider to compensate for it. You can find on KZbin some videos of T-62s fighting and firing several shots with the system turned off.

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

The system was able to be turned off (at the loaders controll panel as a requirment for both repairs/testing and the NBC system). But the gun would still raise to allow loading room. It was not uncommon of crews to not use the ejection system as it had a tendency to sometimes bounce the casing a bit to the side, miss the hatch, and possibly into the gunner or loader.

[@nikitabolognini8500]

a well trained crew needs 6-7 seconds to reload the gun in the t-62

[@nikitabolognini8500]

also i think that they still didn't have model the apfsds perfectly, judjing by the problems he had penetrating that t54

[@yoong___]

bruh i was laughing so hard at the stairs

[@thommcgoldrick3343]

Phly to answer your question the t62 could fire the 9k118 sheksna atgm

[@jameshodgson3656]

miss these days lmao

[@TheYamato101]

Yes, the T-62 got an ATGM in 1980.

[@FastestGunNJ]

What is that weird texture glitch at the back of the turret? It happens every so often, and it looks like a small flash of light.

[@KelevraProductions14]

Anyone notice that not all of the ammo exploded when Phly ammo racked that T-62?

[@JAGDTIGER12345]

I hate commenting twice on a video, but what time does the dev server close? I just downloaded it.

[@wiegerkieboom2431]

I think this is a really good AAA tank

[@michaelfong3286]

Dude that tank costed you a lot of those golden eagles

[@francescomarin9513]

Chippy was also the guy in Baron's video ahah

[@LibrarianDecerius]

if we are still doing the tank request series I want to see either the Ferdinand or the Jagtiger

[@awesomeminecraftjunk]

just thinking, now that the faction with the largest playerbase (russia) has an apds reliant tank, maybe solid shot will get a buff

[@monokendo]

@PhlyDaily what mouse do you use?

[@tommylakasi3022]

i am at m4a1 and pz38t AF wich nation should i go? a lot of ppl tell me american shermans arent good cuase thats basicaly all they use. and that they are only good later on, the pz III arent much better but they have a lower br so that i can wreck ppl. right after the br 3.3 pzIII is the tiger, so i can jump to a op tank, where as u have to take a long line of shermans to get to the pattons and pershings, so wich nation should i choose? so i hav et o play for a while until i can get anyhtign close with a matchup for the tiger

[@cursedcliff7562]

Tommy Lakasi hey you posted this 3 years ago what nation did you choose?

[@leahmarvel4033]

actually your wrong on the smoothbore rifling is more accurate and higher velocity but please tank out the m2 medium and only the p26 peashooter most worthless combo

[@aval1998]

Fun fact: SABOT rounds love to bounce!

[@Eriiaa]

He clearly doesn't know shit about penetration if he thinks you can penetrate T-54 upper plate at that angle

[@MrMrsirr]

Real APFSDS rounds aren't prone to ricochet except at extreme angles; but yeah the stats for that round said its point-blank penetration was barely over 100mm at that angle, so it shouldn't have been a surprise.

[@MrMrsirr]

Actually I suppose these are really old sabot rounds, if they're the old maraging steel ones they probably do suck with slopes.

[@cursedcliff7562]

@@MrMrsirr in the ammo info it says: Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot (steel)

[@rick6620]

So do you guys think that at one point Gaijin will add a modified version of the leo 1?

[@johannesjonzon1806]

I really hope they add the STRV 103. The fact that it's a tank yet has no turret is really interesting. Also I think it is the only tank ever that could be operated by just one man.

[@jacksonstar3]

And the hydralics will be really interesting to see how its modeled.

[@ShinzuLP]

They gonna add Gepard and Leopard 1A1 too :3 It was leaked 3 weeks ago. :d Leo 1 with actual gun stabilizer could be fun to use. :D

[@lato5750]

Watching from 2020 lol, Top tier is T80Us and shit lmao

[@markjackson7650]

Watching from late 2020 and Russia has more top tier vehicles than italy has vehicles in its whole tech tree

[@glizzyman3956]

Now we have M1a2sep, t-80bvm, t-72b3s and such

[@unfixedcarp8039]

at first i was pissed and thought it was going to be OP but it looks balanced so good job gaijin

[@ricardososa7534]

You probably don't own any tier 5 tanks if you believe Russian tanks are "Op". And this is coming from a guy that plays Germany and British tier 5.