*NEW CODEX* Dark Angels vs Chaos Space Marines | Warhammer 40,000 Battle Report

[@ScrollSmyth]

Fletcher's paint job on the Lion really is fantastic, absolute painting goals!

[@cgkokkinos]

I love how much fun you have playing, making gun sounds and silly voices. And i like how you subtly put new units in focus and in the action, while also not decimating them too quickly so we don’t see how they perform. Finally, you never get too serious or emotional. That’s hard for me when I start to lose!

[@ManSpectacular]

Beard and Bard are such an entertaining combination to watch. Always an instant click for me.

[@tabletoptactics]

Thanks buddy so glad you enjoyed - Bard

[@TheCreepyLantern]

a PRIMARCH going in to melee a bunch of generic Chaos Cultists is possibly the best bit of overkill i've ever seen in a battle report that doesn't involve Knights.

[@tabletoptactics]

Glorious Carnage 🤣- Bard

[@TheCreepyLantern]

"The Lion is hardly a Primarch" please explain?@@alexismywife

[@salvatoredanunciacao7770]

​@@alexismywifebefore GW screwed him over, he was quite the Primarch.

[@JM-sp2iu]

Funny enough I played against DA yesterday and the Lion only killed one unit in the game which was a unit of scouts that couldn't run fast enough lol

[@DaSkwire]

9:22 *Rolls to hit* It was the best of times. *Rolls to wound* It was the James of times.

[@tabletoptactics]

Hahahah - story of my life 🤣 - Bard

[@oliverr-v6670]

“Rejoice dark angel fans” - spoken like a true dark angel fan who hasn’t read the new codex yet 😢

[@patray860]

FYI Beard Chosen have 3 wounds each

[@alphacore112]

Fine game over all guys! But I do have one pointer for Mr Pointing hehe. Bile is chaos undivided so he cannot get the slaanesh mark and so cannot his bodyguard unit. So no crit hits on 5's for them but reroll 1's to hit.

[@RowdiesFan1]

The callout on the Chaos Termies on the box is an EXCELLENT intro

[@kylewells6871]

Im really digging the studio guys, your display shelves are top notch and id love to build something like that. You guys have had so much influence on my game play, when i started playing in the beginning of 9th ed you guys were one of the first channels i found and have been my favorite since. Thank you guys for the entertainment and the information, and some of the best personalities in 40k.

[@r.j.macready]

Damn the Dark Angels got nerfed hard considering they had a 45% win rate BEFORE the changes. I can guarantee that wasnt with the Unforgiven task force either.

[@peters6345]

Yeah I really don't understand GWs thinking. I was ok ish with the mace nerf but then the nerfs kept coming 😆

[@mikhailovchinnikov7867]

@@peters6345 really! -1 dmg on maces, -5 men in squad, +55 pts

[@PandaCool1]

This intro with Beard and his anger at GW artwork cracked me up

[@snorri8110]

It's been said before, but I'll say it again - Fletcher's work on the Lion is phenomenal!

[@fergietowers]

"Fabulous Bill" ... thats what I'm taking away from this 😂😂

[@Chickenplague1]

That's what i've called the lad since 4th ed!

[@friendlytalbot4050]

It's great to see The Beard back with his immaculate Chaos Space Marines, the Iron Warriors-... wait. That's not right...

[@aurumworks]

"The Chaos Hammer Conspiracy" by Dan Brown, now available on streaming world wide.

[@Bacongolem]

Loved this battle. Also the players are so fun to watch - their table joking was hilarious and the battle was a great one!

[@C.Users.Zeus9022]

Using the current points costs the Dark Angels were only at 1700, so this tiny list is going up 300 points, yeesh

[@jones12013]

Those Chos Terminators with thunder hammers are disgruntled Strike Masters that have been retired. At least thats how I imagine my Strike Master is feeling. Allong with my command squad,.......and ten man knights squad.

[@mikhailovchinnikov7867]

I share your pain brother =(

[@ZiGGi03]

As a Dark Angel player I feel after the rules that came out I will be playing Custodes for the mean time .I’m still going to buy the new Terminators though . Hopefully they come out in their own box . With 5 in the box or so . With the new upgrade spruce . Can’t wait to paint them up though. I’ll try a few games and pray for an update to the rules and a points reduction .

[@mati12554]

I actually feel sorry for DA players atm.

[@C1umsyJester]

@@mati12554just got new terminators, painted up the lion and everything. It’s my first army and I’ve lost motivation to finish painting since they seem so mid to play now

[@mati12554]

@C1umsyJester best thing to do is to go with rule of cool, if u like the lore and look of theirs keep painting because eventually there will be rule changes or points drops etc everything changes so just go with collecting aspect rather than playing one.

[@C1umsyJester]

@@mati12554 this is true, I originally collected them after reading the books. My fave factions are emperors children, dark angels, sisters of battle. Since emperors children aren’t a thing really and dark angels just got the lion it seemed obvious to me who I should pick

[@Henghast]

@@C1umsyJester I've been painting for ages, super slow. I've almost finished 5 knights and 10 DW terminators as well as a few other bits. On seeing the Codex I'm wondering if I can just run them as Fallen.

[@grahamsmith5732]

Never watched this channel before the ‘How To Play’ - came here after that and love it - funny voices, amazing looking armies and genuine sense of fun

[@tabletoptactics]

Welcome to the show 😄

[@JonathanTaylorW]

love seeing the return of fabulous bill, he's so fun with a big unit of chosey bois!

[@brendanarmstrong7802]

Always good to see Fabulous Bill get some tableplay.

[@okcthunder2344]

First time watching this channel. Didn't realize I'd be watching such esteemed gentlemen. So fun.

[@epicfpv8717]

Subscribed a long time ago, stay for the content like this ❤ I will stay loyal to dark angels but wish they hadn't been nerfed so much.

[@insane992]

loyalty is it's own reward...

[@The_Blackshield]

Love me some epic battle report action of a Saturday morning. :D

[@tabletoptactics]

Great way to start the weekend! Enjoy - Beard

[@Memory-vi8zc]

Brilliant content absolutely love it. Chaos terminators also have anti inf 4+ on combi so I think a few of the Chaplin unit should have been damaged on first shootout. But also Lion has fight first which means he could have interrupted and fought the Chaplin unit before he got the chance to fight him.

[@sumsarprat]

Fight first, can fight before chargers even

[@origulator]

I also noticed the odd terminator lord loadout on the box, hope that means a new one is coming.

[@christerprestberg3973]

Gotta say, big oof of the Dark Angels players. first out to get their supplement book and it butchers them >.>

[@Whoknows21356]

DA players spam Ironstorm anyway

[@longlivetheknot4266]

@@Whoknows21356cuz we didn’t have much of a choice 😭 it was either that or gladius if we wanted to perform

[@taylorcrandall2349]

It feels pretty bad tbh, this codex is gonna test my loyalty

[@littlefoot4417]

Legit lmao but they can still use the standard SM detachments sooooo

[@ZenofPainting]

​@olegreg4787 Okay Eldar player 👌 😂

[@EngHag]

Beards rant in the intro is smashin'

[@olivertunnah3987]

Don't come a knockin when the cargo crate is a rockin...

[@robperkins2085]

Beard, just curious why you didn't tank shock the termies with the Helbrute T1? And not sure if you caught it later in the game but your Chosen have 3 wounds so you'd have lost quite a few less in T1 melee. Just an FYI for next time bud.

[@jonathanrichardson9935]

Why did they put pillows over all the melee weapons

[@putthebunnybackinthebox4790]

*Howls in Thunderwolf* yeah… rip, unique Space Marine melee units :(

[@kylewells6871]

I believe even when your using precision your still wounding against the bodygaurd units toughness because that is the "units toughness" and your wounding the unit before you alocate attacks on a model by model basis and roll then one at a time. You have the option for fast rolling but 10ed is designed for dice rolls to be 1 at a time, gives you a little more control when your allocating those attacks.

[@kylewells6871]

An example is typhus leading 20 poxwalkers. Typhus is T6 and poxwalkers are T4, when your attacking this unit your using the T4 of the poxies. Same goes with precision because you first hit, then wound, then allocate attacks in that order. And precision alows you to allocate attacks to characters instead of normal combat. I've heard people say that when you allocate all those attacks on the characters and you kill them the remaining attacks don't spill over to the bodyguard unit, this is not accurate. You can allocate them one at a time. I like to roll them in multiples of how ever much it will take for me to kill that character.

[@1mrGhost]

at 3:35 I feel like he hammered that point home maybe a bit too much?

[@tabletoptactics]

Hahahha nice!

[@Warforged117]

I think they....nailed it

[@Killery96]

Emperor's Mercy this is like the fourth time Beard has forgotten his dice at the pre-game roll-off.

[@timothylyons5686]

Obsidious Malax the Chaos black Legion Lord from the Blackstone Fortress expansion had a hammer. Could be this Black Legion warband is his.

[@Crack_the_Skye]

He's only in power armor.

[@timothylyons5686]

@@Crack_the_Skye upgrading is free but compulsory. Huron Blackheart went from terminator armour to power armour.

[@Phrostbitex]

Ooooh. Great way to start the day.

[@tabletoptactics]

Enjoy buddy!! - Bard

[@kevincutter5334]

I think you are onto something Beard!!

[@greggillespie8259]

1:07:23 Asmodai casually jumping out of the nearest airlock on the ship to be the first interrogation

[@SamsButterscotch]

I need that greenwing armor recipe!

[@kingozymandias8370]

The Chaos Lord in terminator Armour has a hammer !

[@jimbusher5895]

Great to see Fabius get some table time

[@Gooch359]

He's not Cypher, he's a very naughty boy

[@chrisjohn4886]

With Beards chaos terminators when shooting with combi weapon wouldn’t a 4+ on a wound roll vs the death wing terminator infantry cause a devastating wound or am I misreading the rules ?

[@aizor3700]

U're right

[@jonniecook2037]

I pretty sure combi bolters only hit on 4+ too so with the plus 1 would have been 3’s and yeah they are 3 wounds would would have to be chosen undivided because of Fabius Bile

[@BillTyler66]

It's like Carry on 40k and I LOVE IT! (Please read it in Kennneth Williams voice) lol

[@_F8.]

Wow, those deathwing knights are really not that scary. And the points! Jeez. Well thats a shiny new unit noones going to take. Why do these things feel so obvious to everyone and yet get printed. They must playtest it no?

[@mrlakkie1612]

u merely need a set of eyes working on 5%...

[@geronimowirth4477]

Great Batrep. But I really miss the old harlequin batreps. I know they have no own book anymore? But maybe a harlequin aledari list in the future?

[@codywinig9894]

Not too sure about the rules and negative response i have seen online with this dark angels release. That being said it is always nice to see friends having a fun game.

[@blade2453]

Ouch that profane zeal on Cypher against the Lion hurts because Cypher is Chaos Undivided, meaning he got full rerolls to wound not just reroll 1s, the Lion might’ve died right there

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

Note to self, don’t engage Cypher in melee.

[@tabletoptactics]

Weirdly he isn’t undivided. He doesn’t have any of those keywords. Perhaps he’s loyal after all! - Beard

[@blade2453]

@@tabletoptactics wow I could’ve sworn he had it when the index was first released. Thanks for pointing that out

[@murplepunky9691]

Games Workshop woefully missed the mark on this one. Which genius came up with the awful idea to make Deathwing Knights capped at 5 model squads AND do less damage??? Either make them hit hard capped at 5 models OR nerf their damage and let them stay in units of 10... NOT BOTH

[@peters6345]

Exactly one nerf was reasonable 2 is not

[@tylerjensen8383]

Chosen are three wounds, Beard.

[@gIassjawXVIII]

As a fan of terminators this match has lots of terminators I’m very happy about how many terminators are being played. Terminators.

[@gaiuspadme6344]

I love these guys. subbed

[@MrTumnus1987]

I’m not even a DA player and I feel bad for them. Why have they gutted & nerfed them so much?!? This makes me very nervous for power armour codecies moving forwards. You leave CSM alone GW!

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

Now that you mention it, I am a Tau player and I am EXTREMELY nervous about what they’ll do to Crisis suits. I know we Tau aren’t exactly wearing power armor, but if GW made maces D2 what will they do to my Crisis suits’s gear?!

[@ElGrompho666]

@@DJROCKSTAZ Our Crisis Suit gear already is quite crappy apart from Cyclics and Fusion Blasters (if you take Farsight). My fear is actually that they might go down hard on Cyclics in terms of how many you can equip, since they seem to be going in a "you can use what's in the box" direction with 10th. And there are no Cyclics in a Crisis Suit box, there's one (!!!) in the Commander box. Now, if they would update certain boxes with the right amount of gear that the models can actually use (also looking at you, Drukhari Scourges), that would be a fine thing. I'd also be fine with mass Cyclics going away if they buffed Plasma/Fusion a bit. And for Aunvar's sake, remove that dumb -1 to hit on split firing.

[@ADVBCAT]

Premature without seeing the points in the dataslate that should be out this week.

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

@@ADVBCAT Yes, it IS a little premature. Perhaps I should have waited before panicking..

[@DaniBlix]

it is triggering me that they use Lazarus as Azrael ahhhhh XD

[@salvatoredanunciacao7770]

Bard: "REJOICE DARK ANGLES FANS" Me: "Not with nerfs like this"

[@nilskuhl2967]

Wait how did u guys got the thunder hammer storm shield terminators to be deathwing as well? I thought u can't use that anymore? Only heard leaks tho😅

[@tabletoptactics]

Assault Terminators gain the Deathwing Keyword

[@robertreimers6938]

Deathwing terminator unit lost the option, but you can still take standard terminators and assault terminators and they gain the deathwing keyword

[@ub6ilb975]

Great Video!

[@markomichaelis9829]

I had to laugh so often while watching .... thanks for that 🥳

[@tabletoptactics]

Glad you enjoyed!!

[@cango8415]

There was a rumor about csm box set that ll include terminator lord so i assume if its a csm box set with termi lord whats better than adding termies with a new weapon kit. They did this with Legionaries.

[@nicholasblahblahblah1913]

"what happened to my army?" -- you chose the most neutered CSM list possible, mate!

[@peters6345]

Well he was going up against really nerfed DA 😆 he was being kind

[@nicholasblahblahblah1913]

@@peters6345DA were pretty bad before the nerfs. No need to make a pathetic CSM army & forget to use half of the strats available.

[@edwardcote2440]

Awesome paint as always lads!

[@jasonfry2096]

Biggest challenge of the Dark Angels reveal batrep - making a CSM list bad enough to make the DA not look like a complete joke

[@thomaskeith2309]

No idea what you're talking about, but the Chaos Lord that's been available from GW for quite some time now.......(wait for it)......has a hammer!!!

[@tabletoptactics]

But not the Terminator Lord! Who is shown on the box, with a hammer!

[@thomaskeith2309]

@@tabletoptactics Meh, they artwork teased mounted troops with Lord Invocatus in the World Eaters codex.....still nothing.

[@talscorner3696]

It's raining Terms, hallelujah!

[@talscorner3696]

That "tank shock light" move has got to be one of the most fitting things for Space Marines xD

[@randomacademypilot]

Thank you.

[@PumpkinJack88]

These guys are always hilarious.

[@gingerkiddadventures5064]

Love me Brad. Love me Bread. Love me Tabletop Tactics.

[@MrStsveins]

Clearly Harry the hammer is about to enter the 40k world!!

[@NoneorBright]

MAN and i thought GW completely forgot about the fallen too

[@elispiller2686]

Vathdoor, happy :D New chaos terminators inbound?

[@ThomasCourtney-cr2gb]

How about some blood angels? I can't find a good 10th edition match for them.

[@possessedtabletop3797]

Brilliant battle report! On another note, will there be any AOS in the near future on freeview?

[@tabletoptactics]

Not soon - we won’t cover AoS again until a new edition. We’re focussing on Old World for now :)

[@masterrace921]

Are you two twins? It’s like hearing the same person 😂

[@Kurobara91]

Doesn't the Chaos lord from the Blackstone fortress box have said hammer?

[@tabletoptactics]

He's not in Terminator Armour though 👀

[@lucwilliams3676]

Yay we got new termys... Boo they are basically awful for the points cost

[@Morathiiii]

I love beards Tin Foil Corner at the start thank you

[@robertreimers6938]

You guys forgot the free cp from azrael! Fun report to watch guys :) really nice to see less negativity to the dark angels codex

[@peterrovaniemi138]

DA will be yet another horde army when they come with the "fix" zzzzzzzzz

[@dms1131ds]

Chaos Lord model does have a hammer.

[@agentcoriolis9208]

Never mind Cypher, was the scotchworth secured, brothers?

[@dmeep]

Go go go team Chaos!

[@Justiceinthefog]

Which one was which again?

[@BB-pf2cs]

Can't you reset Fabius after death?

[@tonydethridge1669]

Guys, love the reports but what’s happened to the AOS battle reps ?

[@tabletoptactics]

Unfortunately the cost of producing our Battle Reports is high, and for AoS the interest/returns weren’t really enough to justify it, especially after the last GHB. However we've moved it to be part of a group of Seasonal shows, allowing us to do other formats or systems (currently Old World), as well as potentially returning to things when interest picks up again (such as a new edition for AoS)

[@angelskyd]

How many Points is the Deathwing Assault box? I'm just getting into the Hobby. My brother has a Box of the Tau Combat Patrol. Is the Deathwing Assault box a good match for this, or will I have more points than the Tau Combat Patrol? Is that Katie I hear from time to time by the way?

[@drizzziit1]

You can play combat patrol vs combat patrol, they have rules for it. DW box does not so you'd have to play regular 40k so idk about balance

[@tomcallmusic4295]

Brad and Bread strike again

[@ezramoranadams1042]

How did he deepstrike turn 1 ?

[@tabletoptactics]

Hey buddy - it’s a new enhancement for the Inner Circle Task Force Detachment 😊

[@MC-el2us]

Why did they nerf my bois 🥲

[@tabletoptactics]

It’s an interesting one and we go over it in the Faction Focus On Demand - Ravenwing certainly have sharp talons but some of the choices around Deathwing seem a tad odd - when they fight something on their terms though as you’ll see later in the report they can still pack a mighty punch! - Bard

[@gotrek13]

@@tabletoptacticsso they are nerfed but don’t worry, just roll 6s and you’ll be fine 😅

[@MC-el2us]

@@tabletoptactics For one shining moment my 40k army and my 30k DA armies perfectly overlapped, same models could be used in many ways for different play styles and game missions now the all the outriders/bikers are in legends, attack bikes gone, relic contemptors and Leviathans, Spartans all binned, it just doesn’t make sense from a lore perspective. 9th was the last gasp of the old setting, and now on top of that the army is objectively worse on the table top with the models that we have left Make it make sense 😂

[@icklemoo]

@@MC-el2usit’s following the pattern for AOS with simplicity / streamlining also will always be weak armies until flipped. Look at custodies start of 10th great now worst faction more less. Excited to see how hard space elves get hit and fall this month 😁

[@SherlockHulmesDM]

Vashtorr Hamma! Vashtorr Claw!

[@thecrazygamer2853]

Why were the 2 damage attack killing individual chosen. They are three wounds each only a 3 should have died from the 4 2 damage attacks and the 4 1 damage attacks

[@C.Users.Zeus9022]

Only way to make the Knights look playable? Idk

[@thedarklord9787]

Beardy Beardy Beard three wound chosen

[@erih2934]

Yup, that codex made me quit 10th... still great video again :)

[@matthewblomquist6090]

They put codexs into print months before their release. I would not be surprised if it got a lot of changes in updates further down the line.

[@roxxdude1]

Me and some mates have been trying to put together 9th edition rules for the 10th edition models. Seems like a better way to play rn

[@Fluxram]

That's a hefty knee jerk when points aren't out yet, I hope this ages well for you

[@erih2934]

@@Fluxram I've lost 40-50% of my army due to firstborn culls and cuts to the Deathwing - its not knee jerk. I don't care the slightest bit about points and competitive balance. My army only works in friendly settings anyhow due to 10th.

[@erih2934]

@@matthewblomquist6090 Its lost models for me, not points balance. There is no change coming for me. 60% of my Ravening is legends in this edition. My Deathwing has a lot of painted units that are no longer legal or don't have rules anymore. My collection only works if my opponent accepts Legends - and in that environment I really can also then start doing homebrew and whatever else to increase my enjoyment thus I don't need to follow 10th that has been pretty bland in my opinion.

[@viklun974]

How is Fabius bile T5? does he not only boost the people in is squad?

[@tabletoptactics]

He’s part of the squad so he gets it too

[@viktorlundstrom780]

@@tabletoptactics says it adds 1 to strength and 1 toughness to bodyguard models.

[@GrandiaKnight]

"If I had a hammer...."

[@ChernobylKid]

22:32 slaanesh

[@ChernobylKid]

50:10

[@Selykir]

It always throws me off because the current, standard Chaos Lord ONLY has a Hammer as a melee weapon

[@tabletoptactics]

Yep, but the chaos terminator lord doesn’t have it as an option :) which is what beard is talking about as it’s the terminator lord in the artwork

[@Selykir]

@tabletoptactics it's an exciting time to be playing CSM imo

[@Darksky1001able]

1 damage sweep? Jesus christ.

[@sbeaber]

Codex sucks. Run for the index. Nice battle report!