Vulcanized vs. Cupsole Skate Shoes with Emerica Designer Paul Kwon - Tactics

[@ikebuttle360]

People are actually mad that they cut open a show for this 😂 there at the factory where's there is loads and, car companies even do this at demos, it's great for explaining

[@ykitskanyenorth847]

Not like it would have been destroyed through skating anyways

[@andrewstewart5306]

a lot of shoe brands do this too

[@JaviSancho93]

Probably didn't pass QC.

[@ajperry92]

Best Cup vs Vulc explanation I've heard. Thanks Tactics.

[@greenershoeswithalfredostb1677]

Thanks Tactics and Emerica for videos like this! I think it's really interesting breaking down different shoes, materials and technologies in the skateboarding world. Keep going strong!

[@bucsow]

these soltec vids are great. thanks guys.

[@adampalmer6491]

Cupsole all the way, I skated a vulc for two months and broke my heel in six places, don’t get me wrong vulc is great for pressure flips etc, but any big impacts I’ve learnt cup is the way

[@mikearisbrocken8507]

Yeah, and for people who weight a lot like me and when they catch tricks very high and slam them against the ground. I'm not that scared of primos with cupsoles.

[@viciii7842]

Would you mind suggesting the best cupsole and the best vulc skate shoes? A Top 5 for each would be helpful. Thanks!

[@benbobjam3495]

Since I switched to cups from vulcs I've got deep ass heel bruises in both my damn heels and won't go away, ffs lol. I think it's from A) stomping tricks too much lol my bad and B) the inner etnies sole transitions up my heel a little whereas the vulc vans sole was flat and didn't come up the back of my heel at all. Fuckin heel bruises take forever to heal ahhhhhjrghhfjdksosk

[@gleaned3373]

@@viciii7842 have you found good cups?

[@hou5eheadjason]

vulcs feel like skating in socks too much boardfeel

[@krakensaurus]

Good info, really looking into a Cupsole Emerica shoe I have used vulcanized Vans and DC and they always get a hole on the left outsole where my foot lays on the board, I'm regular.

[@tacticsboardshop]

The Figgy Dose by Emerica is one of our favorite cupsole shoes here at Tactics!

[@jonasgoller7105]

my Vans TNT cupsole separated from the outsole right where its bonded together and now I have a long slit in my left shoe and the sole just wiggles around. I'm goofy though so it's now too much of a problem.

[@nikolajandersen2354]

I always twist my ankles easier in a VULC shoe. Cupsole all the way for me.

[@elkayezh2093]

that still raises a question. what about the rubber in a shoe like the vans kyle walker pro with a cup and vulc sole all in one?

[@tacticsboardshop]

The Vans Waffle Cup is kinda unique because they wrap it in foxing like a vulc shoe first, then stick that whole thing inside a super thin cup outsole, then bake all of that to fuse the outsole and the foxing together. It's like 90% cupsole, but they bake the shoes which gives it that vulc flexibility and boardfeel. - Tim

[@ykitskanyenorth847]

It has the stiffness of a cupsole but less midsole padding like in a vulc.

[@jacopobalia31]

So what to generally go for longboarding? Cup? I'm a footbrake abuser so what I care the most is abrasion resistance

[@tacticsboardshop]

Yes, a cupsole will be much more durable if you're doing a lot of foot braking. 👍

[@spht9ng]

Vans BMX or Etnies MTB shoes

[@antiherogrindviolence]

SoleTech never get boring! STI Evolution foam is the game changer!

[@ron1306]

so how does the hyperfeel thing work?

[@meiro8888]

Hello, Thank you for the the video. What kind of machine do I use to attach the rubber with the foam?

[@kanescrimes4848]

Cup for life.

[@originaljesse]

Any tips on how to vulcanize shoes yourself? HELP!

[@Codfther5.56]

the best vid i have found yet

[@andrew2410]

In the vulc shoes the uncooked, soft stretchy rubber is applied to the shoes and cooked (=vulcanized) on the shoe in the oven. In cup-sole shoes the rubber sole is cooked separately in a mold and glued on to the upper on the shoe assembly line. I'll grab a KZbin clip that shoes the process......

[@fev0r]

Thanks for the video. Is it me or does Vulc provide a lot more grip?

[@1nonlyashura]

I Like Vulcanized

[@hvela3302]

Beginner here.. So a vulcanized shoe can also come with a sole that has good impact support?

[@tacticsboardshop]

Yeah, vulcanized shoes usually come with thicker insoles to compensate for their thinness. But even with a beefier insole, they don't usually have as much support as a basic cupsole shoe. - Tim

[@fifthgear93]

No. 95% of vulcanized shoes are extremely thin and hurt when taking impact. The only exception to the rule is hybrid designs like the some of the Vans models with the WaffleCup sole, namely the Kyle Walker or the Gilbert Croket 2 and some newer ones. Those ones take impact decently but nowhere near as good as a proper cupsole shoe like the Etnies Joslin or the eS Quattro.

[@englandismycountry8605]

What about the Kyle walker pros?

[@huuuuuuuu175]

England is My country not sure, but I am sure that England is a city, not a country.

[@ianturnbow7011]

They’re cupsoles.

[@ryanlee9150]

they are supposedly a combination of both vulc and cupsole to get benefits from both

[@JIDAYAH1981]

Im old and heavy so I think cup sole is better for me. Any advice is welcome!

[@jamelgriffin5546]

JIDAYAH1981 yes. Cupsole is what you want.

[@kmrskates]

Etnies Marana OG, Marana XT, or even the Helix!

[@sasproductions701]

yeah ill give u advice, cut down on eating and skate more and do u wanna be in Cupsole gang or Vulc gang? let me tell you G. Airforce 1 is Cupsole. there for im all about Cupsole gang life G. nikesb dunks are cupsole, nikesb zoom tre are cupsole, but nikesb are cunts because they dont make enough dunks for me so now i skate ES Accel slims. they are a nice price and good durability and build and grippy and a solid skate shoe. just make sure u have better insole as the STI insole is paper shit thin, i suggest FP elite insoles, they are worth every penny.

[@vicentasgard8380]

Great job people. Thanks for the vid

[@Chris-mo1rt]

Vulc gang

[@i.haul.ass_]

Sir Cartier fuck outta here

[@fellowcrusader4381]

@pulido angel 102 nah, Vulc gang for life

[@ezequielreyes1340]

What is the name of the cupsole model? please

[@tacticsboardshop]

That's the Emerica Reynolds G6. Unfortunately they don't make it anymore. The closest Emerica model now would be the Gamma G6. www.tactics.com/emerica/gamma-g6-skate-shoes/black-black I hope that helps! - Tim

[@ezequielreyes1340]

Thank you, it's a shame they don't make them anymore, they look of excellent quality.

[@musguelha14]

How to make skate shoes, by some company. 1- Choose the materials and design. For materials use durable stuff like canvas and cardboard. Design is easy, just rip some design off another brand and change the colour. 2- Get a factory to make your shoes. Protip: Use asian child labour for better value. 3- Get your slave workers to sow and glue your shoes using some weak toxic glue. Use vulcanized construction for less durabilty, you need your costumers to buy new shoes every 2 weeks. 4- Decide on a price. Material cost and labour is $8. $100 seems like a fair price. Remember, skaters are rich people! 5- Market those shoes. Make it a pro model and use words like "board feel" and "impact protection". Skaters will love it. 6- ??? 7- Profit!

[@pootnannies]

that's not too far from the truth unfortunately

[@ashmyblunt]

This is mostly right, but you have to realize that board feel is a real thing. You can definitely feel the board better with a vulc rather than a cup. But a cup will typically last longer. It's a preference man.

[@TheEchelon]

@Pedro Silva Cool story bro. But most skateshoes are leather or suede now since no one will buy canvas if they're going to skate in it.

[@LAsilversurfer]

What are the best wide shoes for sk8ing?!

[@tacticsboardshop]

Some that come to mind are: eS Accel Slim and OG, eS Swift 1.5, Etnies Marana, Etnies Joslin 1 & 2, Lakai Flaco 2, Lakai Newport, Adidas Tyshawn Pro, Adidas 3ST.004, Footprint Justice. There's more but cant think of them all! 😆 - Tim

[@zenderskater9269]

Vans are normaly wide

[@AlexNiedt]

@@tacticsboardshop Interesting to see a Tyshawn suggestion for wide feet. I tried a couple different sizes and had to return both because they were too narrow. Skating the Etnies Marana Mid right now, and they're perfect. 👌

[@tonygaming3546]

what shoes are the cupsole

[@tacticsboardshop]

The cupsole shoe in the video is the Emerica Reynolds G6 shoe. But they discontinued the shoe when Andrew Reynolds left Emerica.

[@tonygaming3546]

@@tacticsboardshop thankss

[@NickW90]

@@tacticsboardshop wish i could buy those shoes..

[@YungKsdThaG]

Vulc Gang

[@sbek1386]

Got them vulcs atm

[@bhawanisharma8981]

Shoes with cup soles also go into heat process... explanation is not 100% correct. Process can vary between different manufactures.

[@SimpleShoes1]

Now I Know All Pro Model is Always a Cupsole bc its more Durable and Have a Very Great Amount of Padding and Cuoshining But I Have a Problem with cupsole shoes Its Really No Room for your Toe And i don't like it But In Emerica Shoes Its Okay They Use Soft Material its so Comportable to Wear It Everyday I Have Reynolds Low Great Shoes fit Really well and Durable.

[@kmrskates]

Joshua Aliga you might need to go a half size or a whole size up if a Cup sole doesn't fit you in your normal size. The Etnies Marana OG - I'm an 11.5, but the Marana Vulc, 11. There's plenty of room and comfort and cup sole shoes, just find the right size and you should be set!

[@sasproductions701]

i am a size 7.5US but since i started skating i always had size 8US as it was more a common size to buy. i did that for 7 years. then quit for like 5 years and then when i got back on it i tried 7.5US skate shoes and i skated ok i guess but i then started buying 8US again and i felt much better some how and was landing things nicely and feels more comfortable. i guess i like a little adjustment when landing instead of being solid stable like if that makes sense. but i also wouldnt go any bigger than that as that would be stupid lol.

[@TorontosFinestKrew]

3:43 more confused tbh

[@mralldayiskate100]

cup soles!

[@luxurylozlo]

cupsole gang!!

[@gerardoalvarado3895]

If u don't know what differentiate means don't watch this video

[@DaanAleex]

Paul juan

[@frankcastle3827]

Merica!

[@christopherlopez2491]

cup sole baby!

[@BaileyHeredge]

bake

[@TheValentin99]

it was really necesary to cut those shoes? i need shoes and i can't afford em

[@therestingmitchface6241]

Peste It's just for demonstration purposes. Plus, it's great for people like me who are curious on how something is designed

[@kmrskates]

Yeah, it's necessary. It's only two pairs. They manufacture plenty

[@TheEchelon]

It's a great way of showing the construction, which is the point of the video... Them not cutting the shoes won't make any difference to you or your ability to afford them...

Si el vulcanizado es como el peinado ondulado del man quiero esos zapatos XD

[@GadgetsandbikesGB]

Waste video, lots of confusion created!

[@TheEchelon]

That just means you're dumb. If you've been skating for a while you'd know what you like by now anyways.

[@tard1776]

@@TheEchelon true

[@tard1776]

I’ve been skateboarding for 7 years and know everything the video is talking about

[@gr666ve]

anyone wanna friend

[@ledwasp3001]

what a waste of two pair of shoes.

[@ilikeemerica9619]

Led Wasp that's what I was thinking but it's their product, also you would get those cool picture of the inside of the shoe.

[@TheEchelon]

It's a great way of showing the construction, which is the point of the video...

[@elchino964]

Wow, this dude doesnt really know the real construction differences at all, he just spat whatever he asked the first intern he saw that day. Im dissapointed by this video, please check who you interview the next time.

[@pootnannies]

he knows what he's doing but he doesn't know how to explain it well. cup-sole vs vulc isn't just a skate shoe thing and chemicals. googling it shows way better explanations for starters. cup-sole has a better mid-sole because it is mostly one piece and attaches to the shoe much better, "cupping" the insole and your foot. that makes it better connected to the rest of the shoe, absorbing impact better than vulcanized construction, and withstanding different temperatures and weather elements. vulc is much lower profile, not absorbing impact, thin floating mid-soles, having crappy insoles trying to do what the rubber cup sole can already do, thus lifting the shoe higher than need be causing heel slip. packing out insoles or replacing with thinner ones will keep your heel in place or tightening them all the way up and stretching the suede is what usually happens, but will finally lock your heel in place. i'd advice mid/hightop vulcs if you really want them. "low profile" is kind of a BS term as you only really need it at the toe and cupsoles already do that. the best thing vulcs have over cups is better flick from the excess rubber tape for the first 2 weeks of skating. then you're really just skating the same type of toe most cups use by then. however, the foxing tape will start to loosen or open at the heel of your outsole. finally because vulc shoes require so much rubber and due to the vulcanization chemical process, they cause a lot of pollution. use vulcs for vert and cruising, otherwise do your joints and environment a little less harm by switching to cup sole. sorry i'm an asshole but i can't stand the vulc trend that hasn't subsided yet.

[@bleepbloopskrrr]

pootnannies interesting to read your comment as a non-skater because in general vulcanization isn't a trend. It was invented by Goodyear, first used on shoes by Keds, and is used for all sorts of rubber products including rubber bands because it helps tensile strength and temperature resistance. Normally the natural rubber might get brittle in the cold or melty in the heat but vulcanization protects from that. At least in terms of natural rubber, which I'm assuming this is. I'm not sure with synthetic rubber. What I haven't learned yet though is why they don't just heat treat the soles before adhering them to the uppers. I get that doing it after helps the bond and uses less glue but it limits the material options for the upper and, as the designer spoke about, the use of foam.

[@nathana.4752]

Paul Kwon actually has been a Skate shoe designer for a long time. More than 10 years

[@TheEchelon]

JawnPolygon Those are all general assumptions and not necessarily true... Like he mentioned, you have some wiggle room design wise with both manufacturing methods. The 'cupping' you meantioned can still be achieved with a vulc by using a thicker cup shaped insert.