Tadayoshi Yamamuro: Artstyle Breakdown

[@nogoodname2342]

This is what people might call a fall from grace

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

They didn’t have to change the art style in the first place just do what they did in z

[@LuminesBreezer--]

@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 with better storytelling along with it.

[@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked]

@@LuminesBreezer-- Yeah, storytelling in Super is a joke.

[@jasonone8726]

Friday Night Nicktoons DB has been around for years, we have different animators now, of course it won't look the same forever, Yamamuro's getting old, plus DB art style was already changing and evolving back then, when you comparing the original series to the later part of Z.

[@SSGFlare]

@@JustHazzo Facts I loved the moro arc

[@akil5695]

Yamamuro's art in the 80's and 90's was excellent

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

To be honest I miss yamamuro’s all that work specifically his art style from the boo Saga

[@autonomous3614]

Ikr

[@ariathyf144]

Same, GOAT artstyle for the franchise.

[@BlackVortex604]

Same

[@Grownupbobbyhill]

Fr i liked cell the best but the art in the buu ark is peak dbz art

[@sydneyowusu3750]

​@@Grownupbobbyhillagreed

[@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked]

Tadayoshi Yamamuro's artstyle...A forgotten relic indeed.

[@anlexaify]

Nice one

[@DannyTheArtBoy]

Personal taste wise I believe his artwork/style looked its best in the first broly movie, mainly becuz I'm a sucker for muscles, alot of the main fighters in the movie (besides gohan) were ABSOLUTELY JACKED, but that is probably becuz im both a fan of dbz and american comics, but his artwork in the buu saga wasn't bad tho, definitely one of the greats at that time.

[@Unfazed1888]

The absolute legend in his prime. Yamamuro was one of my inspirations to keep advancing in drawing around 6 years ago. I think my favorite piece of his is when Gohan defeated the last Cell Jr. and then he told Trunks to pass out Senzu beans to the Z Fighters. He was looking up at Cell and had this look and body language that radiated that quiet rage. Thank you for yet another breakdown! :D

[@ariathyf144]

I have screenshots of those frames for study. The linework is so clean and refined, peak character design that was also reused in the Bojack movie. Love how they drew trunks there, a character with strong contrast in hairstyle when transforming.

[@black2785]

Another amazing video. Imagine a fighting video game that was all drawn by these beasts

[@bappoplays2596]

A cool video idea may be to analyze toyatoro and how he's grown as an artist. Nice vid btw always informative. 🙂🙂

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Not a bad idea, what I like most about Toyotaro's work is the dynamic gestures to characters! So I'll keep it in mind and thank you!

[@LuminesBreezer--]

In my opinion though, while his art is awesome, his storytelling isn't the best. It doesn't draw in the true fans, such as us from the past, of Dragon Ball.

[@bappoplays2596]

@@LuminesBreezer-- I can so agree with that but at times he can write good, dragon ball is kinda like sonic at the moment very hit or miss, but having changes that make things good at time. But I fully agree with what you said

[@LuminesBreezer--]

@@bappoplays2596 it's as if however, you're able to see that he isn't exactly all for his own efforts in some ways; an example being the Goku Black arc. So yeah, agreed in that area mutually, I'm just not a fan of his ways of making arcs happen, such as the current which disgusts me.

[@jasonone8726]

ʙ ʀ ᴇ ᴇ ᴢ ᴇ ʀ His writing compared to the Toei writing in the anime, what do you think about that?

[@ZARAHAnimation]

Yess!! Love these videos man, you do a bang up job with them!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thanks dude!

[@ZARAHAnimation]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Sure thing man!

[@gokushkameha-ha-ha9344]

I'm happy to see so many fans that agree. Excellent work

[@GiggityNinja]

Excellent video as always. Keep up the good work man, some of my favorite content on youtube

[@forgottenrelics1197]

So great to hear bro thank you🙏

[@mondohermano8953]

Damn loved the video and also id love to see a video on the Voice Acting of all the series or the music of the series

[@CaptainKacknup]

Buu-Saga Yamamuro is absolute Dragonball perfection for me.

[@mekbudaanimations8887]

One thing I have the hardest time recreating are his hair shapes. Very sharp but flowy as well.

[@ZenkaiGoose]

As usual, another dope video. I’m still playing catch up but I can’t wait to reach your level some day with my content ❤️❤️❤️

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks man!! And I gotta say just at first glance of looking at your channel those thumbnails are excellent design-wise! Wishing you the best for your channels success :)

[@theplug4981]

You're a content creator wanting that Lamborghini youtube money

[@ZenkaiGoose]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Thank you senpai!

[@ZenkaiGoose]

@@theplug4981 Your love is the only lambo I need

[@harunogiobana4642]

Glad to see the consistency in uploads

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yeah I've been busy with work for the last couple of months making it difficult to find time for KZbin.

[@giovannigallegos4060]

I would love an artstyle break down of toyotaro! I LOVE the way he draws the muscles, faces, and hair the most. He has the thin eyebrows and small pupils, the hair in ultra instinct is godly flowing, and his muscle groups?? Bro dont even get me started.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks for the suggestion, several other people have made a similar request so I'll consider it :) My favorite element of his artwork is the dynamic gestures!

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

you know actually why don’t you do a video on Dragon Ball To dragon ball Z‘s sound effects and compare them to super sound effects

[@forgottenrelics1197]

hmm never thought of that, thanks for the suggestion!

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

@@forgottenrelics1197 You’re welcome

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

you know actually if I remember correctly I believe one piece actually uses dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z sound effects

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688 Yeah I haven't watched One Piece although I have seen several short clips and was surprised to hear reused sound effects.

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I can’t wait to see that video because I’ve always loved Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z sound affects and I was sad to see them go when super came

[@bopperart9470]

God DAMN his arts style is so frikin good,also you know a lot like a lot a lot

[@Shenjow6]

Just IMAGINE if the Moro arc was done same style as the Buu or Cell saga, it would be it hit!

[@checkmate5336]

Just rewatching DBS, and I just can't really can't get why he downgraded in such disgraceful way. Compared to his work in Z, Super main "Modern" art style feels like how I drew DBZ characters back in 2nd grade.

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

He made it look like a generic modern anime when DBZ used to be the trend setter. I hate the modern colors

[@vegito-sama]

He was getting rushed

[@akhil6826]

@@vegito-sama no, his skills just declined a lot

[@akhil6826]

@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 are u saying that u hate the dbs broly colors , I'm confused

[@stevenarttv9970]

For me, his artstyle downgraded especially the highlights. But his artstyle is still kinda good.

[@worldsofpivotify]

Man I love your videos. Keep up the good work

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thanks for the support dude I appreciate it :)

[@flipzzilla4556]

AWESOME video. It would be cool if you did an Artstyle breakdown on Akira Inagami!! His work in the Cell Arc and GT is Amazing!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thank you for the suggestion!

[@flipzzilla4556]

@@forgottenrelics1197 No Problem

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Akira also did the first pretty cure character designs. Cool!

[@sobeso]

wow this video is putting somethings in perspective

[@gIokk]

his old artstyle was way too good

[@sydneyowusu3750]

Agreed

[@sodraz7083]

Dude you are growing super fast great video

[@lukky6648]

He was at the top of his game and for sole reason he decided to settle for a Artstyle that isn't even close to his previous work.

[@Max_Rex]

I'd love to see his take on TMNT(80's versions), sci-fi action movie franchises like Aien/Predator/Terminator/Robocop, and dinosaurs.

[@sxnfy0000]

I miss his buu saga designs

[@eduardoneves3070]

Yamamuro was really a legend in this prime time (frieza to buu saga). So nostalgic

[@specialnewb9821]

It is just incredible how next level Yamamuro is in this era, even compared to Shida.

[@milesleonhardt8240]

Now we need a part 2 to this video showcasing the new designs with the flat shapes and boring expressions in DBS

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I usually try to bring some positives whenever I criticism something however with Yamamuros modern style that would certainly be a challenge lol. Although I did make a video way back on why his modern work feels stiff and it covered many of those elements.

[@natr0133]

love it already

[@theflashfan3234]

As good as I think old yamamuro was, i did notice that the uncorrected gohan from movie 13 had wrinkles in his clothes (elbow joint area), showing that he was indeed wearing clothes, and not that his body was just painted black. It's something that I like yk, just more depth with clothes and stuff, and yamamuro just corrected it out. Really dumb observation on my end, but still i like clothe wrinkles, makes characters feel a little more... comfy, idk, it's stupid of me haha

[@callmebig_e]

Been here since 1,000 subs!

[@croatiaboy11]

Don't know if this is a big ask, but if you are interested enough in the art of DB Legends I would love a breakdown of it, it seems interesting to me how similiar looking for example broly movie Frieza looks to every other character from the Buu arc. How is that done, who does it?

[@SuperSaiyanMaster2024]

I can't wait to make my series it's my very own Dragon Ball Series.

[@baddworld]

Adult Gohan was so cool bruhhhhh like how could they fudge him up sooooo bad lol 😂 I remember the buu saga intro was sooo cool to me cause I thought he was gone take over 😈😈😈 little did I know 🥸🥸🥸

[@theavatar9191]

When I think of Dragon Ball, I think of his corrections from the Android Arc and Buu Saga

[@twonk2434]

Forgive me if you've already done this but maybe you could review some DBZ characters (or just Toriyama characters in general) from a character design perspective. Discussing their silhouette, their costume design, stuff like that.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yeah man great idea. I have brought up those aspects within the video I did on Toriyama's process to designing characters but making a dedicated video could work :)

[@redcomet0079]

Can someone finally explain to me why ppl hate this guy’s art style???? 🤨🤬 he was easily, *EASILY* one of the best animators & character designers

[@4bros352]

Takahashi is the only super animator I know that can bring back the buu saga esc artwork to super.

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

Chikashi kubota was very close to yamamuro's buu saga art style (he was an animator of Dragon ball super broly)

[@--Jonas--]

Shida ♥♥♥ and Takahashi ♥♥♥

[@mangakamateur]

I need more of the layout processus please

[@forgottenrelics1197]

You mean like what a layout is? If so I have an article talking about it linked in the description :)

[@mangakamateur]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I may not have understood the question in the video. but i am interested in a video dwelling on the topic of layouts even though i know what it is. it may interest people.

[@swap2448]

Yessir ❗️

[@ihsanzkun387]

For those who don't know Yamamuro was once known as yuya takahashi this day He was the Best And super came

[@Mobik_]

-Vegeta joker can hurt you, it doesn't exist (Vegeta joker 2:22)

[@theplug4981]

Imagine feeling the need to dislike a video. Don't be that guy

[@forgottenrelics1197]

bruh your comment must've worked because this video had 3 dislikes originally haha

[@anlexaify]

His shading in the buu era is sort of returning back in Dragon Ball Heroes

[@akil5695]

Could you please analyze shuichi iseki's art in DBS ep 16

[@forgottenrelics1197]

maybe one day :)

[@tyrannotherium7873]

Didn’t he do some animations with GT

[@dajonspooker5728]

Yamamuro style Nowadays 🤡 Yamamuro Style During the 90s 🗿

[@alessandroramos8748]

Nice video keep it up 👍

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thanks :)

[@pascalsimioli6777]

I never see anyone analyze ki blasts: why do they like like fluids now? They used to like like powerful beams.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

My only explanation is that it's simply how animators tend to stylise that attack nowadays.

[@ZZtheDark]

Breakdown of 'Yo! Son Goku and his friends return!'?

[@yoridetth856]

You didn't link that layout website!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Ohh my bad, thanks for telling me!

[@Cay9z]

Why is everything back then so good. Yamamuros art style in super was bad but in Dbz its good, maybe its because of the non plastic animation

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yamamuro's artstyle started to downgrade long before Super.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

It started to downgrade at the end of GT and possibly the beginning of him having a lot of permanent Repeated strain injuries on both of his hands, by drawing too much with a super tough grip.

[@lxfj2128]

He’s buu saga artstyle was brilliant

[@ms.antithesis]

Noice... Still not first fucking hell Great vid doe

[@forgottenrelics1197]

haha thanks as always!

[@Vitioche]

Intersting how you didn't analyse any of he's work on super, i'm not complaining tbh... Anyways, will he return to super or will Shintani come back to stay?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yeah I wanted to highlight his better work and the era alot of fans prefer. And I have no doubt that Shintani will return.

[@packman3979]

Wait so is toriyama writing the story for dragon ball super or toyotaro

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Both do to an extent, I believe Toriyama writes the draft and a basic outline for each arc and Toyotaro adds further story elements.

[@clydejoseph7880]

Do a topic about Naoki Tate

[@packman3979]

Why did the art style change 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Because Yamamuro has a lot of RSI in both of his hands and is sixty years old. Also, his arms are shaken and tired.

[@Divine_Finger_er]

Personally for me, the Buu Ark had by far THE BESTart style the show has ever had. The characters looked so fierce and clean and i wish they went back to that style, it fit the show perfectly

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I would've loved it if they had kept it :(

[@amiqai]

Z Yamamuro > GT Yamamuro >>> Super Yamamuro.

[@crazypanda9870]

Kazenshuu link?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Sorry I added it in the description but it seems it didn't appear, it should be there now

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

I think yamamuro's art style went down was because he tried to take copy some parts of toriyama new art style

[@forgottenrelics1197]

It certainly is a possibility although the shift in his art style in terms of the increased use of highlights and a different style of shading starts to appear in Gt.

[@majinya6199]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru was the character designer for GT, so all the highlights were his idea, and they were clearly done much better than modern DB with how oily they look

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@majinya6199 True but you can see Yamamuro applying highlights to characters with both the skin and hair in Z, even back in the Cell arc they make an appearance so I feel he would've added them regardless especially since he sticks to using them even after Gt and into the early 2000's.

[@majinya6199]

@@forgottenrelics1197 i wouldn't have a problem with the highlights if they looked closer to how GT did it, but i will need to go back and watch some Cell arc stuff i don't remember highlights, got any recommendations for scenes?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@majinya6199 Episode 168 around 22:28 :)

[@majinya6199]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fp3IhpJ8nrZ5l5I any idea who was the character designer for this? i know Toriyama did the designs but someone would've had to adapt them for the animation like in anime, it seems a lot like Yamamuro with so many high lights.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I'm quite certain it's Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru going of the spacing between the eyes and the style of ears. His work also typically featured highlights and has been a consistent trait of his work, even in the first dragon ball movie they make an appearance!

[@majinya6199]

@@forgottenrelics1197 thank you again for the reply, was helpful knowing who it was :3

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@majinya6199 No problem, I never knew he had worked in that series either until watching it :)

[@majinya6199]

@@forgottenrelics1197 glad to know i helped you as well ^.^

[@v4skovicr3lja]

Pretty sure it's Yamamuro. The faces, eye shapes, noses, ears, wonky ass highlights and triceps all point to him. Very reminiscent of his work during GT.

[@majinya6199]

what do you think happened to Tadayoshi Yamamuro? he went from one of the bests to awful, think it has to do with old age? ego? just sad to see what happened

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I doubt old age has as much a part as some people think considering the move to a stiffer style of shading, less defined faces and an increase in highlights all started to appear in his work throughout GT. I think the reason there has been a consistent downgrade is in part to do with sticking to one series and not branching out. Or perhaps it's just reluctancy to change and wanting to stick to what he is familiar with never really evolving.

[@majinya6199]

@@forgottenrelics1197 good points, i miss his old style and hate to see what happened to him. thanks for answering

[@SlapstickGenius23]

@@majinya6199 the change also comes with more RSI for both of his hands, and possibly his poor eyes.

[@link1565V2]

Buu Saga was the best looking part of the series.

[@ariathyf144]

I wish this art style could be salvaged.

[@Ealais76]

Yuya takahashi?

[@ariathyf144]

He gets the fundamentals and has the potential to be successor and guardian of that style, I just noticed He has a more aggressive contrast in line thickness compared to Yamamuro 90's who has a more precise+minimalistic linework (his anatomical knowledge doesn't need fancy use of line variations to look interesting).

[@youtubeenthusiast11]

So what happened?

[@Just-A-Bit]

Hey

[@JKZEROkenjiMB]

His old works were the best but now his gone worst.

[@packman3979]

Does anybody feel like the dragon ball super manga is rushed

[@sydneyowusu3750]

How it's literally monthly

[@packman3979]

@@sydneyowusu3750 I’m talking about the pacing of the story

[@saiyaniam]

genga get totally ruined by the colurists.

[@randomcontent7038]

Subs in spanish please :(

[@forgottenrelics1197]

There should already be a subtitle option and from there if you go to the "Auto-translate" section you can select your language :)

[@kurokoro]

Sadly his new artstyle is so bland, hope Takahashi takes on as his art is Yamamuro's.

[@sydneyowusu3750]

Absolutely agree

[@08esco]

People that say GT looked bad are 🤡

[@Shenjow6]

DBS was a massive downgrade I miss the old colors and artstyle used in DBZ, maybe this is just my nostalgia.

[@jasonone8726]

His style went downhill long before Super.

[@xondeez757]

Probably got old and went backwards.

[@dannysdungareedanceoff8481]

See that? I don't know why YOU think you can do that in ONE try Keep trying dude

[@tolahostia]

He is not as good as he used to be!!! He turned lazy.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Actually, he has a lot of RSI for both of his hands and he’s bodily overworked by Toei standards, which means permanent repetitive strain injuries have become both a pet peeve and a practical norm at the company.

[@lewis3778]

First