Takeoff Comparison! | REAL Airbus Pilot | A320 Climb Performance! | Over POWERED?! | FS2020

There has been a lot of discussion of the A320 in Microsoft Flight Simulator being "overpowered." In this video I continue to test the flight model against known variables. The Flight Factor A320 in X-Plane 11 has a very realistic climb behavior and takeoff phase simulated. So lets put both aircraft at the same exact weight on the same airport and make a climb to 5,000 feet side by side. The results are shocking!
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[@V1Sim]

So there are A LOT of you missing the point on this video. And while I appreciate your enthusiasm, I need to set the record straight. This is not about sim vs sim. It is about trying to pinpoint where the FM/physics of the aircraft seemed to be over performing. From my information I extracted from looking at both aircraft, it seems that maybe a small pitch for adjustment after takeoff may solve a lot of peoples problems for excessive climb rates and speeds. Perhaps the 320N is not overpowered but its just a function in the AutoThrust and FD logic that is flawed and could be fixed easily.

[@MaxRank]

I agree a few small tweaks under the hood would help, but let's also not forget this is a vanilla aircraft, MSFT is not going to spend huge time and effort to provide the 320N to the same standard as Toliss or FF. Id prefer they work on optimization rather than airliners that will never cut the study level grade.

[@V1Sim]

@@MaxRank I doubt they will do any tweaking if at all. But perhaps the A32X modders could see this a useful ;)

[@salimb4334]

Thank you so much Excellent job.

[@Sadnez]

Maybe I didn't express myself right... I fully understand what you said. My observation is that, I'm not sure if a payware aircraft could be compare with a freeware. I've seen a lot zibo vs the world aka IXEG or PMDG... Anyway... Far from been controversial, both airplanes are good. Both simulators too. But, still, I'm not fully in accordance to compare payware with freeware or default aircrafts. I'm no pilot, but I'm an aircraft mechanic, so, I know how things should work. The same as you, as a pilot. You don't need to compare payware with default/freeware, but with your own experience and perception. Well, anyway, I'm a fan of your channel and, btw, loved the 732 videos that you posted... Fly safe!

[@tetaykanatach7073]

Honestly, like every comparison videos with any sim to a new prodigy like MSFS, you will get their fanboys coming in and slam the argument why MSFS is just better and the other one is just shit or say that's not a fair comparison whatsoever. It's so annoyed to share any opinions on a flight simulator community these days. P3D vs Xplane is just a little tiny war compare to this MSFS gate.

[@Sim737Pilot]

Sometimes people can't handle the truth. The fact is MSFS did a great job on the World Simulator. They did a poor job of the default aircraft. The point of the video is to compare to a real world aircraft, not start a "this sim is better than that sim" child play. MSFS will get better over time. I own both and enjoy both in different ways. Currently, I will no longer bother with airliners and stick to GA sight seeing in MSFS and fly the study level 737-800 in XP11 where 100% off all controls work and function properly.

[@V1Sim]

I would love to compare the Takeoff to a real world takeoff however that would potentially result in me losing my job, so the next best thing in my opinion was to take a very realistic 320 sim (ff in xp11) and use it to see the differences of the FS2020 model. In doing so I feel I was able to extract some very interesting points about the FD behavior and AT logic. This has nothing to do with Sim VS Sim.

[@CameTo]

Spot on. You're always gonna get consumer bias getting people saying things that aren't objective, you can't reason with those, but everyone else, what you say is spot on imo.

[@rkan2]

@@V1Sim Surely you could do that with someone else's fotage? :D

[@V1Sim]

rkan2 lol yes but now that would be “copyright” issue from KZbin I’m sure. But I like where your heads at 😉

[@rkan2]

@@V1Sim I'm sure there is a channel that would allow for you to use their footage :) Just gotta ask around.

[@Tom-jd4hk]

I’m going to say what everyone is thinking. The FS2020 NEO sucks. I used to be a hardcore simmer and I was shocked at the level of detail. Flex takeoffs are non existent. Thrust rolls back and forth until eventually it just goes to MCT. I was very surprised not being able to insert any vertical revisions in the FMGC. Vertical speed selector and most FCU clickpoints are bugged. Altitude selector push/pull effects are opposite. Approach mode captures ILS but reverts to HDG on the PFD while still tracking the localizer. Disconnect the autopilot on an approach FCU reverts to LOC only and disengages the APP mode. VNAV reverts to Open descent wherever you disconnect the autopilot. These are only a few of the many issues I noticed with the plane and am glad to see it’s not just me. Once payware comes out I’m sure we all will be fine but until then we’re screwed.

[@miscchan0001]

Just think, a well developed 3rd party a320 in X-plane is being compared to a default MSFS-within a couple weeks of an (early) release... That is a high complement to MSFS. The future is bright for all sim enthusiasts. Competition is heating up indeed.

[@exiletsj2570]

Stuff like this is invaluable for the developers, if they’re not already aware. I’m sure they get this all fixed at some point.

[@JustAnOrdinarySimmer]

But he's comparing a mod on a 4 year old sim to a default model on a sim that's not even 1 month old. A true comparison would be a default xplane model vs default FS20 model. I laugh everytime I see some prick comparing these 2 sims, because the XPlane is always modified with aircraft addons etc etc.....let's wait until there is a good aircraft mod for fs20.. then start your shitty comparisons

[@scrimmo]

DSLeicester oh you are another M$ fanboi who disagrees that you should compare something we have paid $150 for. Yes ok. Poor Micro$oft. If only they weren’t struggling for our ca$h so much.

[@kindjordan]

@@JustAnOrdinarySimmer I laugh when a prick tries to call someone else a prick. Prick

[@JustAnOrdinarySimmer]

@@scrimmo Don't act like XPlane was that far off in price when it was released - not to mention, not everyone was forced to buy the $150 version of FS20.

[@JustAnOrdinarySimmer]

@@kindjordan So you just lower yourself to my level to call me a prick and make what you said pretty much a waste of your own time? That's more hilarious than anything, you obviously have nothing else to say that's within the actual discussion..you are irrelevant.

[@cdg9552]

Hey, Just wanted to say thanks for your content and all those Airbus related, highly professional videos. I started looking your channel when I was sure I wanted to become a pilot and all the knowledge I gained helped unimaginable me in the selection process. Now I’m in a cadet program for a European Airline which isn’t that affected by COVID and I’m glad I watched all those hours your tutorials and will come back before the type rating for the 320. Thank you very much for your dedication and effort!

[@Tom-ih8gr]

CDG which airline? Pretty much all affected 😭

[@Q8Pilot]

I absolutely love those videos. So much to learn from you Captain. Excellent video.

[@blumac9801]

Definitely keeping X-Plane for airliners, but I also want to see what Laminar has in store for the future.

[@igvc1876]

Nothing that will even remotely approach FS - that we can assume.

[@FlightSimmer7700]

Thank you so much for this. I think you should pass this info on to the A32NX devs so that they can properly tweak it and get it to feel like the real thing. As always a very informative vid!

[@karelvandesande9848]

Thanks for this video, confirms what I suspected. A lot of work needs to be done on the aircrafts FD and functions. Same with a/p sensitivity , trim etc...Microsoft did indicate that FS 2020 would be aimed at the real flight sim community so I guess they need to put some more work in it. Let's hope they will do development on the base aircraft and that it will not be all about the online shop from here on out.

[@captainisle5681]

I’m not a programmer but I’ve been in the a320nx developer voice chat listening to them try to fix issues with the msfs airplane and by the way you describe the flaw in the flight model, this should be invaluable information for their process. Keep em coming

[@techandco.]

Thanks for the vid. Are you using a specific texture pack for the FF VC ?

[@ElitistMagi]

I cant wait for a 3rd party to put out some decent accurate planes for FS2020, till then will be rocking the A320NX I guess xD

[@MSFSFreeware]

Yup - i just want my "seat-belts on" switch and the MFD screens we had in the A321 back, not having an APU or HYD screen was a bit stupid, we had em in the A321 in FSX which is 15 years old lol, so I have no idea why they decided to miss those out in the new one.

[@delg551]

Won't happen until ASOBO get the SDK into shape and fix the massive issues. The A32nx is good but sadly the base SIM keeps it far from realistic.

[@navylandsub]

Was this using the A320NX addition for FS2020 or just with the Standard A320? I know that there are a group of people working on modifying the A320 so that it better resembles the real aircraft.

[@lucasvialpando3729]

So i have FS2020 and i am following the A32X project very closely. However i am very eager to learn the rest of the systems and i am debating on buying Xplane and the FF A320 to get me started. Advice? Also have VR which is what id like to experience. TIA

[@CameTo]

I always thought the 2020 videos shows the a320 accelerating too much during the rotation/initial climb out phase while still in a dirty/ish config. Your video did suprise me very much that this initial advantage was pretty much cancelled out by the time initial climb height was established. It seems like a little bit of tweaking is required to the drag when increasing the alpha at rotation.

[@V1Sim]

Yes I also suspected some type of drag issue in the takeoff configuration didn't seem right. However I do know from experience if you under-rotate a 320 with a TOGA takeoff it will accelerate very rapidly lol tho I do not think it is as extreme as the FS2020 one even still.

[@donstimson6655]

@V1-Simulations Very interesting, indeed. Do you feel that the 18 degrees of pitch is consistent with what you've experienced in the real airplane? Can you do a similar examination of climb performance to altitude, where the MSFS version appears to have very high climb rates?

[@V1Sim]

Yes absolutely I am going to continue examining the flight model to see (if for nothing else) my own information about how it performs. About 18 degrees is spot on, then for a 250kt climb out I always tell guys to "park it on the 10" and what that means is to place the little square on the attitude indicator right on top of the 10 degree line for about a 12 degree pitch for climb out. Its a good balance of speed and climb performance when accelerating to 250kts from the takeoff configuration.

[@donstimson6655]

@@V1Sim Thanks!

[@runescapelover6203]

Anyone know why everytime I try to fly the a320 the pitch adjusts itself on it's own and the engines keep cutting out on climb lol

[@mirovida66]

Thanks for your input. It's the only way flight sims will improve is by having REAL pilots pointing out the correct and especially incorrect plane simulation characteristics. I have both sims but only started sim flying early this year. Will probably stick mainly with MSFS. Just waiting for air manager or similar to make my small touch screen usable again (V4 apparently)

[@AllThingsAviation]

i'm flying GA with FS2020 for now, for commercial jets i use xplane11 because I have both the toliss a319 and ffa320. would love to see what the devs have to offer for the fs2020 platform.

[@kalynstalinski8375]

Even for ga, I prefer x plane, at least for real world style cross country flights and burning up the pattern, whereas in fs2020 I’m content with short sightseeing flights.

[@thomassmith7432]

Well, so it's not just me. As I try and gain some sim-proficiency in the 320 it's been alarming that I can't find a way to compensate for this thing pitching up with a +6000fpm climb rate before it levels off and climbs again. I guess I'll just have to get used to that and be glad I'm not sitting in the tail.

[@issiewizzie]

At some point in the future I will be able to play this on my iPad ....

[@rofaidarashed2126]

I recommended to you to join the A320NX project to share your real world knowledge in aviation for A320 to fix all these bugs and becomes more realistic, Thanks for your efforts and videos

[@NevadaRocks75]

I would rather see a 787 project...tired of all this busses in every sim

[@dennylui]

MSFS is just like a wonderful big house but lack of the right and suitable furnitures but at least you can get those wonderful furnitures in the near future.

[@gsonz172]

Well isn't there some performance difference between the old and new engines? Maybe the new engines of the neo are a bit more powerful. I'm not sure about that, just asking :)

[@Sadnez]

Very interesting video, but, in your opinion, considering that FF is a payware aircraft, I mean, built to be much better than a default, the default msfs2020 is that bad? Or as a default product is it, at least, honest?

[@V1Sim]

No I think quite the opposite is true, meaning that for a default plane it actually is quite good! Thats why I was surprised when I did this video and discovered that maybe just having a steeper pitch after rotation might be all it takes to get the airplane to settle down during the takeoff phase. Now there is a difference from being "realistic" and "good." Is this plane very realistic? Not not really, but is it good for a default plane that may just get some "non-simmers" in to FS2020 and flying? Absolutely

[@flywithhuddy]

I’m placing my bets for the FSlabs A320 to come out, because that would be amazing

[@V1Sim]

That would be the highlight of my 2020 year! lol

[@roldykrojas]

I’m placing my bets right now in the freeware a32NX Project, looks promising and in a couple of months or in one year it’s going to be amazing. Probably it’s going to be something like the zibo mod 737 but for mfs

[@shoey1984]

Was there any particular reason why you used the Flight Factor over the Toliss?

[@wingedlion17]

toliss doesn't have a 320.

[@sinpasaporte5478]

Wich airline are you flying in real live?

[@SiriusXAim]

Well, Both sim use the same "virtual wind tunnel" flight dynamics, where the exterior model determines the aerodynamics of the aircraft. However, FS2020's Airbus is at survey level and it's autopilot need a lot of work. The Ap tends to have a mind of it's own sometimes, refusing to follow instructions. This is the thing people will have to understand. While default aircrafts look as good or even better than their FSX/XP11 payware study level counterparts, they will lack the complexity and precision of proper study level addons that costs about 50 sheckles. While their handling and aerodynamics will be similar due to the aforementioned virtual wind tunnel physics, the systems, and overall thrust, load and fuel consumption values may be more approximated. This will be less appearant in GA aircrafts due to their simpler systems. Asobo may update the default aircrafts, but you cannot expect them to put as much work than a dedicated developer such as Aerosoft, PMDG or Captain Sim.

[@MaxRank]

Sticking with X Plane for the foreseeable future. The issues are huge, it will be great in time but not yet. Great stuff as always V1

[@luca1s]

I think some of these A320 issues will likely be fixed in the upcoming update and probably more will come later on

[@V1Sim]

I dont doubt it!

[@tejasm3883]

Doesn't xplane11 have a320neo?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

The CJ4 is extremely overpowered in the game. I have flown similar jets by the same manufacturer and it's not even close.

[@debarunghosh9082]

but one thing to bring under consideration is that you comparing with a payware vs default stock aircrafts. And when ultimately the price of each game comes to consideration we are getting almost the same performance with relation to how much a person pays to get such detail in xplane 11 than that of MFS 2020. As again MFS 2020 will soon have its payware aircrafts. It will be worth comparing in that phase of time as payware companies are building aircrafts in total scratch form for MFS 2020. And ofcourse, stock aircrafts are meant to have some degree of unprofessional aspects if everything was perfect there is no need to spend extra money on 3rd party developers on the same aircraft.

[@debarunghosh9082]

surely MFS 2020 will get much better, after all this is a giant leap from 2006 MFS X version

[@JustMe00257]

It looks like developpers often don't get input from qualified pilots. Or disregarded them. Or their company rushes the product out before it's mature.

[@Toyokunari]

Just a thought, aren't you comparing the autopilot and its gimmicks rather than the actual climb performance?

[@V1Sim]

Well that is precisely what I discovered during this video. That is why this is not about sim vs sim. It is about trying to pinpoint where the FM seemed to be over performing. From my information it seems that maybe a small pitch for adjustment after takeoff may solve a lot of peoples problems for excessive climb rates and speeds.

[@donstimson6655]

He flew it manually. Don't see where the autopilot "and its gimmicks" comes into it.

[@ortundgaming967]

It's almost as if you're comparing a flight model that's benefitted from at least 2 years of research and development against one that at best has had a few months ahead of a relatively quick release... Not exactly a fair fight.

[@VFXManiac]

X-Plane 11 is still the best flight simulator!

[@Hartbreak1]

Ignoring the people that are missing the point of this video, I’m surprised with the potential of the default A320. Other than known bugs such as the autopilot behavior (which affects most aircraft currently) the aircraft is very decent for being default. I never expected MS to put as much attention as it has done on the A320. I only expected about the same level of system detail as FSX with only nicer visuals and a little better aerodynamic behavior. But this aircraft exceeds that by a bit. With the study level mod in progress I can’t wait to see the full potential of that aircraft.

[@CaptainSazzman]

If and when someone releases a payware A320 for MSFS, nobody will care about the default version so there is not much of a point to this video anyway. With that being said, a group of modders are working on a Zibo-style MSFS mod over on Github.

[@Hartbreak1]

CaptainSazzman the default aircraft model is quite good so if the people from the mod end up with a great implementation I don’t think the default aircraft will become obsolete. Even if kept vanilla, if MS decides to fix the issues that it has, it will continue being relevant to the people that can’t spend on payware or want to mod it.

[@Benny-high5]

the FF A320 in the x-plane is not a NEO. nevertheless you can compare the two planes? have the PW Engines the same power as the CFMs?

[@Boradumir]

I think the comparison is not fair, because the FF A320 is an add on aircraft and you have to pay the same price like the sim itself or more.... Personally I would like to know what real pilots think about the FS 2020 physics and how real they are....

[@V1Sim]

That is exactly what I am doing. This is not about sim vs sim. It is about trying to pinpoint where the FM and the physics seemed to be over performing. From my information it seems that maybe a small pitch for adjustment after takeoff may solve a lot of peoples problems for excessive climb rates and speeds.

[@Boradumir]

@@V1Sim I didn't want to criticize your video. And I am a big XP fan, but I also bought FS 2020 (hadn't the time to look into it), I think both sims will learn from each other and they will have both the right to exist. But I am not a real world pilot, so I have to listen to the opinions of others who are. And I am intrested in a more general way of the physics, not one plane. Things like ground effects and other factors. I hope you were not offended by my post, that was not what I intended to do. So I ho

[@robbieharrison4349]

So we are comparing a default aircraft to a $120 add on. Next let’s do a Ford Focus to a Lamborghini. It’s about the same.

[@issiewizzie]

I hope you’re feeding this back to Microsoft

[@heklik]

fs airbus have mcas ?

[@isaackipkoech4613]

It's a NEO variant.

[@bigd-1-channel514]

Great well detailed video, I guess the down thumbs must be from the gang at Asobo.

[@epictetus9766]

Different engines though?!

[@captainsamA320]

New update coming out to fix all that this month

[@The3dikson]

V1-Simulations, I would like to know your opinion and comparison between the (A319-A321) Toliss and the A320 Flight Factor, would it be possible? Thank you :)

[@V1Sim]

Yes I have done one a long time ago it is quite outdated. I will make an updated one in the future!

[@skeidatv644]

The MSFS devs did a terrific job creating the world itself, but right now it seems that making realistic flight models is something that they left for 3rd party devs. Its obvious that something has to be done with the a320, the controls are terrible and functions are insufficient. Right now there does exist a zibo-mod like improvement pack for the msfs a320 but even with that its nowhere near the ff a320.

[@jeandrejacobs5853]

A problem I see more and more is the fact that most people who are interested in the new sim (including myself), are overwhelmed by videos of people complaining about the flaws of the new sim. I always respect a fellow pilots' input on flight simulators... however. You are still comparing a default aircraft to an add-on aircraft. Compare PMDG 737 to the default 737 in any simulator, you will see the same thing. People are absolutely fixated on the problems with the default aircraft because they are comparing them to add on aircraft from sims that have had 3rd party support for years. Be realistic guys... compare the default MSFS2020 aircraft to default Xplane or FSX or P3d aircraft... thanks for the informative video, however compare apples with apples. A default out of the box product will NEVER compete with dedicated 3rd party products.

[@tjfSIM]

Jeandre Jacobs Correct, well said. Ironically I think MS shot themselves in the foot by making the default aircraft as good as they are. They are very good in terms of visual modelling and sounds, and that has raised expectations for a flight model and system fidelity to match that standard. It took years and years of testing for a decent, reliable Airbus addon to appear for FSX, and we’re expecting the same thing from a default aircraft. I think you’re absolutely right - we need to get some perspective and be patient.

[@johnathandoe9346]

Still waiting for VR

[@MrPhantom1961]

Just reading how aggressive some of the comments are to this video shows where we are in 2020. There's no question that Mircrosoft and their development partners have done an amazing job with this new flight simulation (not game) and i'm sure the early flaws will be corrected in due course. However, if you want to make an attack against someone for simply posting a video, which they are perfectly entitled to do, can I suggest you would be better placed moving over to Twitter where all the other brainless morons are.

[@hodb3906]

Exactly. Too many idiots and fanboys who missed the point of this video. Though I do have to add, whether you twist it or not, it’s still a game.

[@danielgreen5803]

FS2020 complex jets are really an abomination and I'm sure we all expected more. it seems FS2020 gave us an amazing VFR photo realistic scenery and better than ever physics engine. for me that's enough

[@paulvanderhaegen761]

it is a little bit off to compare a brand new sim whit a sim that is been tweekt for manny years and comparing the stock a320 whit the "flight factor a320" is more off but this is just my opinion

[@V1Sim]

This is not about sim vs sim. It is about trying to pinpoint where the FM seemed to be over performing. From my information it seems that maybe a small pitch for adjustment after takeoff may solve a lot of peoples problems for excessive climb rates and speeds.

[@alu2387]

In all fairness, you cant compare any sim's default planes with study level addons. I mean... dah :) . If you want to do this an Apples to Apples fair comparison, compare the weather depitcion of both sims. Winds, clouds, air currents, up and down drafts around mountains. You can even try to compare visual quality... MSFS textures vs XPLANE without and with Ortho4xp... things like that.

[@LALOS6]

There is something that people misses out when it comes to compare these planes!! One is a default plane and the other one is a payware. They should not be compared.

[@danielgreen5803]

The thing is that before they released the sim many people actually believed they will be able to give us study level A320 or at least much closer to it than they actually gave us

[@flyingpauls5267]

The A320 in MSFS has way more problems than this one. So why should that be shocking? MS included it for the gamers.

[@CaptainSazzman]

I don't know how long you've been in the flight sim industry, but you're comparing a DEFAULT aircraft's performance to a PAYWARE addon. That does not make much sense. The reason why payware addons have more features and realism is that you paid for all that. Default aircraft are just there to populate your sim. You might as well compare the default FSX A321 to FSLabs. If and when someone releases a payware A320 for MSFS, nobody will care about the default version. With that being said, a group of modders are working on a Zibo-style MSFS mod over on Github.

[@coolcat-nq4mj]

0:24 lmao msfs looks like a cartoon

[@MrXboy07]

fs2020 didn't reach V1 yet

[@MrLee025]

I keep shouting the same things on all FS2020 Airbus videos... HURRY UP FSLABS!!! Until then I don’t think we’ll ever see a great bus in FS2020. As for the tweaks to the default that I’m seeing, surely people want a finished product rather than a work in progress?

[@mrzappabr]

I didn't like this mean comparison, V1-Simulation. I like my msfs with aircraft flying above the troposphere, with airlines flying like a rocket, with my super cessna flying perfectly in a hurricane and I do not admit that you, v1-simulation, contradict me. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@omarsmak]

Do you know about the A32NX project? Is like zibo mod that being worked on currently. Perhaps would be valuable if you can help them with your comments to produce ;) github.com/wpine215/msfs-a320neo. You will see the discord link in github as well

[@V1Sim]

Yes also in the discord as well! Thank you

[@tumiantumi4726]

After the newest Patch 1.8.3.0 tha A320 Neo is more or less useless...crasy climbs and decents...FL 330 you start decending to FL160, 2500-3000 fpm...all off a sudden, without me entering anyting into the FMC the ROD goes to 6000 fpm....uncontrollable untill u off the AP...than AP on again and it climbs with 6000 fpm...WTF is going on with tha A320 in FS 2020??? Than other small things like not intercepting the LOC or slightly left or right of LOC...left engine rolls back once APU is off...(geat when taxiing, love taking off on one engine)...🤣🤣..Could it be that Microsoft as an american company is making Airbus look bad on purpose since they have big problems on their owne??? Would´t surpise me....(European speaking here..😉😉)...Do you as an expert have any idea what is going on there?? So many sim fans waited a long time for the MSFS 2020 and now this...For a default AC the A320 is pretty good, no question..but still...after the first major Pach it´s no fun to fly...I would like to emphasize that i am not criticizeing you in any way...it was a great video and very educating...I flew and still fly the Xplane 11 aswell sometimes...maybe we should all just stick to tha Xplane 11??? Or will the next Patch fix the A320 Neo on tge MSFS 2020???

[@painsama17]

fs2020 is just a GAME!!

[@nukenabber7228]

Focus in msfs2020 is visuals not reality.

[@gillik7801]

MS2020 still looks better to me but also needed to keep in mind its only a few weeks old and it will be way more optimized and stuff later.Also I dont know if addons will be able to used it would make the scene a lot better

[@sneakyghost7777]

Tbh this will all be fine tuned by 3rd party devs

[@MailoGaspan]

How about reviewing aerosoft a320 realism? 😅🤔

[@milo4008]

Comparing one of the 30 out-of-the-box default planes to a $100 payware add-on...really?

[@V1Sim]

this is not about sim vs sim. It is about trying to pinpoint where the FM seemed to be over performing. From my information it seems that maybe a small pitch for adjustment after takeoff may solve a lot of peoples problems for excessive climb rates and speeds.

[@tetaykanatach7073]

Can't wait to see a comparison between a $145 PMDG 737 to a free Zibo 737 when it comes out next year. Spoilers alert: It's not that much different.

[@chinyehli3152]

How about Toliss 319?

[@RaY_77W]

ik its modded but xplane 11 looks better

[@robegatt]

Flight Simulator 2020 cannot simulate flight. Only nice clouds. Wtf.

[@Enceladus737]

Fair comparison? But very interesting!

[@jonathankarakas5354]

why not. it is what it is. Lets get some better AC in FS2020. V1 top knotch !

[@V1Sim]

Just trying to find out why there is such a rapid increase in speed in the FS2020 version and funky climb behavior. In this video I think I have found a potential point of interest, the FD commands and AT logic

[@floriandialer9938]

V1-Simulations I have also compared it with the FFA320 and I believe it will not get accurately fixed by Asobo but rather by the “zibo” style A32NX project that has come out I believe yesterday.

[@Enceladus737]

@@floriandialer9938 Hope so, too.

[@V1Sim]

Yes I hope so too! Should be a fun ride. Until then I am perfectly happy tearing through the skies in my 208 and 172 lol

[@hodgeheg480]

The geometry of the FS2020 cockpit seems a bit off.

[@xarisaugenikos]

Have you been in the real airplane? Why it's off in the FS2020 and not in Xplane?

[@marcusbjerknes8049]

Asobo has used state of the art 3D scanning techniques of the real cockpit, so I think it should be quite accurate. Actually much more accurate than what FlightFactor ever could achieve unless they used the same technique. One example of FF completely screwing up, in my opinion, is the modeling of their Airbus A350 AWB, which is terrible. So their track record is not that impressive. But this is just my opinion.

[@hodgeheg480]

@@marcusbjerknes8049 Its glare shield at the sides. seems to be angled whereas in real photo's it isn't. The FF looks like its made from cardboard texture wise but the geometry looks correct comparing it to this or the Toliss. Its a very minor thing but it bugs me for some reason.

[@toasty9757]

@@hodgeheg480 V1 said in his first video about the MSFS A320 NEO it has the best modeled cockpit he has ever seen in any sim, but yeah you obviously can judge that better ;)

[@hodgeheg480]

​@@toasty9757 Yes I don't fly A320's but I have seen a few airbus cockpits including the Airbus factory in Toulouse. Yes I don't fly them day in day out. There's really no need to be so sarcastic.

[@Americanboy48]

This video is so stupid how can you compare a320 neo to a old a320 don't care what you have to say but fs 2020 is much more realistic.

[@denziiey]

Stop comparing a study level aircraft to a default. Compare the cessna 172 instead from both sim or the beechcraft baron. Anyways still an informative video.

[@V1Sim]

This is not about the two aircraft it’s about extracting data as to why I feel the 320 is overpowered. Turns out it may be a FD and AT bug after all. Just thought the information could be useful for updating the aircraft in the future. I already have compared both the Baron and 172 check them out!

[@denziiey]

@@V1Sim it's not worthy of a comparison but if that's the case I hope real pilots are involved with the patches like they did in the making of the zibo737. Cheers!

[@delg551]

Omg you made the cardinal sin of pointing out a flaw MSFS. Now you have all the amatures and console kids screaming because their game is not realistic and they simply can't take it. Don't bend over towards them, they are bullies with no clue, they are afraid of things getting real because they will actually have to learn. These are the people that will defend msfs even though it is a mess in places. It's got great graphics so what? It's not a great simulation of flight that's fact. One day it might be, but right now it isn't. They can't take it. Funny isn't it that when you compare the flight model they scream payware but will happily point out graphics, weather etc. MS should never of allowed this on game pass, never put it near consoles, this hobby does not need GTAV kids or world simulator tourists they bring nothing to the SIM but bad attitude. Sorry but it's true, it's just fan boi blinded by the graphics. The official forums are Toxic the game not a SIM it's a game and that's what it has attracted. I'm not being a snob but I why since these people have come into the hobby not willing to learn, trying to silence people because they are scared their unwillingness to learn to preclude from them game is not everyone's else's problem . Flying a 747 through the streets of NYC is not flght simming it's GTAV.

[@Sharururururururururururururu]

Currently, the Airbus in FS2020 is just a joke, everything INOP, waiting for payware.

[@nunosantos2015]

A320 in Microsoft Flight Simulator is a horrible aircraft to fly 😌😌

[@JustAnOrdinarySimmer]

You're comparing a mod on a 4 year old sim to a default model on a sim that's not even 1 month old. Age matters because it means XPlane has had 4 years worth of updates and of course mods and bug fixes..where as MSFS20 has barely made it's rounds around the MSFS community. A fair comparison would be comparing an airbus mod for fs20 and this...otherwise it's just fanboy bullshit

[@PatrickLatini]

He's comparing the value proposition delivered to customers and the switching cost at this point in time. It's as fair as it can get.

[@RyanBreaker]

“Fanboy bullshit”? He literally gave praise for how fine it is as it is so far. There is no fanboying in this at all.

[@The3dikson]

Something very similar happened with the default B737 from X-Plane 11 with the PMDG from FSX or Prepar. So, what is valid too.

[@sourfrog]

Really, what was the point of this video?

[@Oni76]

I probably should just be like the 1000's of others that just read this and move on. Where I took pause with this comment was the end remark. I heard no bias other than simply stating which aircraft simply mimics closer to real life behavior at the moment. Moving on from that, in developing a product you benchmark against what is arguably the best, which is the Flight Factor A320 in this case. From there, I imagine V1 will compare the default MSFS A320 against the community mod and eventually the Flight Factor A320 for X-Plane 11 against the community mod as well. No idea, and this guy has enough on his plate but we're ever thankful for the time, content, and input he has shared with the community. Dude is sacrificing his time to share his real world experience in a relatable fashion, and he's not a full-time KZbinr cranking out videos everyday for views. Maybe that's why I felt a need to comment. Just be patient, we can only work with what's available anyway. Maybe consumers out there are looking for the best A320 simulation experience and this is informative to them. Maybe the developers are searching for feedback and/or along with the community on where to make improvements or a good go to on the existing model. The video content may not suit you, but it doesn't just make it "fanboy bullsh**."

[@markfosseth8047]

Guys, FS is just an arcade joke why on earth are you considering it ?