Talent vs. Effort in Super Smash Bros.

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How important is natural ability with regards to improvement in Smash? If it is important, is it something we can work for or does it come from our genetics? I go over my thoughts in this entire discussion here in this video.
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[@RockManSSB]

People saying that 70% of Smash is natural ability and I’m here wondering why I died to Ganon at 30%

[@emmanueloladosu8987]

LMFAOOOOO

[@garbage245]

Did you get you get killed by Ganon's forward smash while holding the ledge

[@AnOverratedMon]

DORIYAH

[@ryan4879]

@@RockManSSB Well that would be why my mans gotta choose your ledge option a bit quicker which can be applied to a lot of match ups especially ones where the character requires a time to make a set up happen (ex. pac man) choosing a fast ledge option can help avoid a lot of things and can also bait people into choosing something to cover your quick option in which allowing you to hold ledge longer as a mix up and whiff punish their option

[@colinmeier8140]

Unfortunately you’re not wrong

[@BootyjuiceJenkins]

You could be the most talented person OR put in a ton of effort. People will still say you're carried.

[@z4ck261]

Carried by myself.

[@abirdatemytoes4024]

@@pootonz5810 Banana boys viewers are pretty chill though

[@Fizz-Q]

@@bagelcat_ or if u are a terry main they say u have an advantage because input I CAN DO THE GODDAMN PRETZEL MOTION (/|\/|\ a) and do nothing with the damn raging storm

[@colinmeier8140]

Even if you main a low tier, yea I main Kirby and someone said I am carried... Bruh

[@colinmeier8140]

L personally I think Lucas is wore annoying than ness, because is PK fire actually sets up for zoning, while ness’ can be used for follow ups

[@TheGreenAzumarill]

“70% of Smash is natural talent” *Dies to Hero at 0% from a lucky thwack, 20% from a critical hit at ledge, loses to Game and Watch from lucky 9 twice in the same match, Jab jab power dunk, Pk fire, fire arrow, misfire green missle, and double critical hits*

[@lavodnas7899]

Well that's the other 30%

[@lui1115]

play smart yo. samsora adapted to salems hero. Yes it took hard work to get better against that demon, but natural talent helped him adapt quicker at playing smart and working hard on it. it might take someone with less talent to realize this sooner, but eventually you can adapt better as well.

[@xanthmardon584]

these situations are avoidable consistently enough that if you lose to them consistently it becomes on you, not luck. the only time luck comes into play for issues like this is when the game or set is already close, for which the opponent has to be at least almost as skilled as you.

[@timnoiro]

None of those characters get great results except for g&w

[@TheQueensAce719]

It's your fault for getting hit in the first place. All of those are easily avoidable.

[@wesleybelcher2283]

I think the saying “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard” describes everything about hard work vs talent

[@andrebaxter4023]

Agreed.

[@EmeraldaKasim]

Cope. Talent + hard work will always beat out just hard work

[@emmanueloladosu8987]

If this is what BestNess meant, I can agree with him to an extent.

[@zacharybouck9769]

I can see where he is coming from, but i dont agree. I mainly think these tweets are coming strain from his ego, which is higher than ever becsuse he is winning these online tournaments

[@spindingus]

Zachary Bouck yeah in his case literally the way to be good is to play online.😐 Until he can prove that he can play at the same level irl he doesn’t have a valid opinion.

[@stevendaily3695]

Emmanuel Oladosu I don’t think best ness

[@zacharybouck9769]

@@spindingus agreed

[@Michael-cg5qn]

SpyroMan745 he’s ranked so he has every right to say that and it’s his opinion and if everyone really did work hard then we’d all be MKLeo but we all are aren’t

[@the0therethan]

I don’t think bestness was talking about a “super smash bros ultimate gene” being born into some players. He seems to be talking about how people’s brains are set up differently and can be beneficial to some people. Some people will naturally start out better due to uncontrollable factors like fast reaction times, memorization of matchups/moves, muscle memory and decision making, and more controllable ones like familiarity with video games/fighting games and practice habits. Some players will learn faster if they are good at adapting overall or generally learn faster, not to mention practice habits, motivation and time. Top players aren’t necessarily born with smash bros brains but rather have brains with slight advantages that allow them to learn faster. This doesn’t mean that all top players are and can only be built in this way, but some will naturally have to work harder for it. One way to think of it is like physical sports. Many top players seemed to have been born naturally muscular in addition to other abilities like eye hand coordination that could help them in a game. Other top players didn’t need these traits but it was helpful to have them so they could focus on improving their overall game rather than building the basic skills and then their game.

[@jasonglaser825]

I honestly attribute a lot of my “skill” in video games (not just smash or fighting games) to being clinically diagnosed with ADHD. Had difficulties in school when a subject became boring for me to learn or study, but in history or language classes, my passion led to straight A’s. *shrugs

[@metawarp7446]

Though in physical sports... In order to be in the top, you have to be born (at least) to the 10% of humans who have the best natural talent (mostly physical talent)(genes) for the game. Our bodies have caps. Our minds probably have something similar. (I mean it's well known general intelligence has a cap/semi-cao) -> The curve of _time practising (x) and skill (y)_ is logarithmic. Certain natural ability makes the difference on how high you can get with the your curve.

[@keaton3258]

He definitely didn't work it right then, he simply said that smash is 70% natural skill, not "some people will be able to pick up the game quicker with hard work due to them having a bit of an advantage because they're talented, but a person who works harder can still reach that level." And 70% is still ridiculous even if he meant that

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@keaton3258 that's a lot for a tweet...

[@Elitist]

@@keaton3258 The problem is most people work equal if not lesser amounts?? And working harder as a concept is fucking bullshit. Working smarter >>> working harder every day and guess what working smarter is linked to. Far less controllable factors than just raw effort.

[@pikabush6210]

I’m glad you made this clear because BN got too much backlash.

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

That's ultimately his fault for wording it really poorly and not actually explaining his thought process

[@brbw]

he definitely didn’t get too much backlash. He made a stupid tweet.

[@verde7595]

@@brbw not really, it was extremely true; just worded poorly

[@RiketheDangerleo]

@@suicidalloafofbread2009 kinda hard to fully explain one's thought process with only 250 characters

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Yeah,to a degree an actual psychologist linked a vedio to prove him wrong.

[@c.w35t87]

I'm the this weird limbo that I'm not really good at something, just ok on everything. It explains more why I main Mario.

[@colinmeier8140]

I love Mario tho he’s really flashy and has cool ladder combos

[@anthonythomas9677]

Your probably haven't found what you really passionate in yet or not enough time and dedication

[@tacocatyay8740]

That just means you haven’t found anything YET. Try some things and see if you’re good at them. Music, programming, parkour, quiz shows, you’ll eventually discover your talent *if* you want to find one

[@hupppp]

SAME HERE

[@jesx]

6:43 my mans studying cow aerodynamcis

[@chocobovonhauske8518]

One of the 3 essential subjects for life

[@basicallyilovebreathofthew4376]

6:43

[@rednk9106]

I can't wait to have my own aerodynamic cow

[@exzyyd392]

Terry Mozart is my new favorite thing The most inspirational thing to me is HBox's whole arc. That said, I have nearly 200 hours in ultimate and no characters over 1mil, yet alone in elite. It hurts my soul.

[@sergiopineda1718]

I have more than 300 hours and still can't beat the computer most of the time lol

[@Joe-bb4yi]

Plenty of people have 1000+ hours and more with the he other smash games so you guys have a lot to learn and can probably improve a lots

[@quarepercutisproximum9582]

@@sergiopineda1718 The computer adapts to you, so being unable to beat the computer consistently doesn't necessarily mean you'll do badly online. (:

[@cpwcomputerplayerwill]

Don’t worry. It took years of brawl and smash 4 before I got decent at the game

[@spindingus]

Quare Percutis Proximum This isn’t necessarily true, they just have very inhuman reaction time. I still see your point though

[@KlldbyCuriosity]

As my dad used to say when I was getting competitive: practice doesn’t make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect

[@TheNegationist]

BananaBoySSB: You can’t just play a lot and get better. DDee: I just got good by playing the game lol

[@mauricejames8969]

I've been playing smash on and off since melee. I haven't started truly making consistent improvement until ultimate. It wasn't until ultimate that I really became a student of the game, just trying to learn everything I can about my character and everything about the game in general (drag downs, jab locks, tech, etc) Back when Brawl had been out for a bit, I owned it and my friend used to come over and play. I would beat him most of the time but he started beating me too. He was getting better. Then smash 4 comes around. I didn't own it and I barely played it. Now ultimate is out. That same friend won a local tournament in our area using Ganon only. And he basically pockets half the roster. He's gotten so much better, it's inspiring. And I think it shows how hard work will always beat talent if the talented one doesn't work hard.

[@malikmuhammad9085]

great vid, I've been losing my passion for smash recently. I don't think I wanna go Top tier pro buy I definitely ant to improve. This may have been the food of thought I needed. *_Thanks_*

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

yeah I dropped practice because life got in the way. There's a job, friends and other games.

[@Arlo5.13]

“It feels like nairo was never not a top player” welp, there goes that streak 😔

[@toonballoon6244]

Eh he'll still be better than basically all of the world except like 2 people though (Marss and Leo)

[@JavaIsnom]

@@toonballoon6244 Wbout Ally?

[@MiguelLopez-cx1rn]

While I was hearing you, many concepts of psychology, like creativity, motivation, improvement, and positivity, came to mind and I realized that you actually care and dedicate to this in another whole level. Haha i was even thinking of studying you for my master degree. Really great video! (Sorry if bad english, not my first language)

[@bestsnowboarderuknow]

It's about reaction time. That can't be learned. The top pros in almost all esports can react in .1 seconds, where the average is .25 seconds. If someone can react over twice as fast as the next person, it is obviously conducive to higher-level play.

[@anthonynorman7545]

Real talk!

[@NamelessViking01]

Bruh 0.1 is literally impossible. Average pros are around 80-100 milliseconds.

[@bestsnowboarderuknow]

@@NamelessViking01 Bruh, 100 milliseconds is .1 second. Lmao.

[@NamelessViking01]

@@bestsnowboarderuknow mt bad 😂 I was thinking 0.01

[@bestsnowboarderuknow]

@@NamelessViking01 lol it's cool

[@zollja7625]

4:20 Did I just see Evangelion casually placed in a SSB video?

[@Xneocake]

2:26 "motivation is dead" I LOVE THAT SONG!

[@pflor6441]

I think there is a big difference between "Play more" and "play efficiently" Ofc dont just play lvl 9 cpus every day and expect to out play everyone.its about how you spend that time thats important not the amount of it

[@xa447]

Facing a real person I may as well pu the controller down

[@adennakashima2267]

exactly. I made very little progress just fighting lvl 9s. I started dedicating time to tech, board control and strategy/response, which made a MASSIVE difference. Usually starting out in training and then forcing myself to utilize the skills in games, even if it makes me lose. You cant ever get used to playing better if you dont truly practice playing better.

[@pencil6711]

*me who has no friends* : am i a joke to you?

[@maxono1465]

3:34 i would recommend you to read 'the will to keep winning' by daigo umehara (street fighter legend) which is about that exact issue.

[@dbgr9875]

I second that, it's a great book that you learn a lot from, I actually did a book project on it after reading the Core-A video on it

[@astro_1707]

Me: Gets pumped up to lab a game to death and be the best Also me: *Sees a literal fetus win EVO* Me: *ExcUsE mE wHAt ThE fRIcK*

[@colinmeier8140]

UNBORN FETUS 3-STOCKS MKLEO: ZeRo has decided to adopt this unborn child

[@sealvain6810]

Colin Meier with pajama pants

[@kirby.9601]

@@colinmeier8140 You see, pooping his pants was actually very optimal. MKLeo couldn't focus on the game due to the green diarrhea dripping onto the ground.

[@ArsenicChord]

In a ton of these videos, you've always mentioned mindsets, but I don't recall you making a video on your mindset for smash. I think it'd be a really cool idea! I know that it's different on everyone, but this is something that many people struggle with, and it definitely serves as a huge roadblock in the path to improve greatly, which is a major theme for these videos. It'd be amazing if there were a video on the best mindset to approach things with. In fact, your mindset determines whether you can do these things that you demonstrate in your videos. Personally, this is my own greatest roadblock, so it'd be amazing if you could cover this. (Yes, this is copy and pasted from the last video. To be fair, I posted it yesterday, and I really want this to be seen. Also, this might not fit the context of this video specifically as I haven’t watched it yet, so sorry.) Edit: Oops, I didn’t know about that other video you made. Also, this kind of covered what I was thinking of. Thank you!

[@sithikamedagedara3796]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5SUk42ueZuEgKc Here is his mindset video

[@SelBoi]

*Actually struggle to do DJCZ with Lucas* *See video* Oh...

[@mr.universe1991]

ayy man, that's really hard. I wish u the best, im practicing desyncs myself.

[@mpdrago1730]

I'm also practicing djcz it's been around 4 to 5 months and I can barely do it consistently

[@jadyazbeck6089]

I feel you, I didn’t used to be able to do unbuffered short hops, and now, well I’m still not great but I’ve gotten a couple top 8’s

[@not_myosotis813]

so? ya do it yet?

[@eziashit1501]

Check my channel you’ll see the payoff of djcz

[@jonasharrison6355]

Banana Boy, I've always loved your videos but the fact that you put a MegaloBox clip in the video just made me love your videos even more

[@Hyushi_sama]

3:45 omg .... I feel that one ... but then I go online and fight people who exploit my weaknesses. And they leave and I never get to learn the matchup properly . There are so many matchups and I have zero matchup knowledge cuz I don’t play people out of my community often .

[@Lightning-ig2do]

It's like the 10,000 hour rule. It (supposedly) takes 10,000 hours to be a master at something, but it only takes 100 hours to be 80% of that. When it comes to "being good" at something, everyone who is good at a skill is pretty much at the same level, but it's that extra 20% that separates people who are good at it from people who have broken through that skill ceiling and broken through that mindset of comfortability that most people have once they've gotten good at something.

[@andrebaxter4023]

I like the 10,000 hour rule. However, to make sure it works, one has to practice properly. Drilling combos, mastering all of the basics, etc etc.

[@dallincandland]

This was a very helpful video for me. BananaBoy was my roommate at college for two semesters and I can vouch for everything he said here. He pushed himself so he could go to the tournaments he wanted to go to. He made sacrifices so he could get out these videos as much as humanly possible on his own. He did what he needed to do, and thought more about the long term gain than the short term cost. His work ethic and passion were an inspiration to me then and they still are now. He would spar with me from time to time and give me tips to improve my Pac-Man (which I really appreciated!). This video helped me see that I often would just rest on my laurels when I was doing well and over time that held me back a lot from improving. Let's Go BananaBoy! Thanks for sharing your experiences and advice with us man.

[@darkbrotherhood2903]

As a chicken bone collector that one example really helped

[@ikaSenseiCA]

Your videos are a huge reason for my improvements, so thank you. I'm an excellent problem solver, but not a great problem finder. You point out mistakes I didn't even know I had pretty much every video. A big example is punishing landing. I would always go for the same thing, and if they figured it out, I would stop doing it but let them land for free. Now I have many tools in my arsenal for adaptation. :)

[@TheAirRon]

Banana Boy is applying the principle of deliberate practice in this video. The book Peak describes expertise research, basically how experts become expert in their field (it isn’t just 10,000 hours). Keys include: having a mental model of what the goal is, having a guide to help guide your efforts, and deliberately practicing areas of weakness in a scientific manner. Recommended reading and great job with the topic Banana Boy.

[@themrmrpicklepicklenoodle4481]

What sucks for me is that I struggle to find my weak points because all my friends who play the game aren't at my skill level at all. There's only one friend I have that pose's some kind of challenge, but not enough to help me improve. The only habit I tried hard to stop and suddenly picked up on again is jumping immediately after I DI away from the blast zone, resulting in me getting edge guarded. That's another problem though because my friends never pick up on my habits and never counter it so my instinct would be to keep on doing it. I think it's just my job to work more towards my improvement with quarantine giving me that time.

[@LettuceGod1]

I’m fine with bestness making that tweet because now I can just say my family lineage has a long line of shitty gamers as an excuse XD

[@Fizz-Q]

*Laughs in playing kof since i had 5*

[@PKYAIR]

HboxW

[@JonSkellington]

I started playing Smash Bros when I was really little on Brawl, and my dad would always kick my butt. When Smash Ultimate was revealed, I started practicing Sm4sh a ton, and I started beating my dad about half the time. When Smash Ultimate came out, i realized that I actually still really suck, so I looked up a bunch of tips for the game, and I think that I've greatly improved since then. But in the end, I still suck, which is fine! It allows me to see my mistakes and improve based off of them. Great video, Dude! Thanks to anyone who took the time to read my short story!

[@sonataavalon6017]

My man, I would like to say, this video is something I couldn’t agree with back then, but now, I feel like you’re correct. Hard work is something no one can understand. I played smash for along time, this game is hard to do, when you play, you lose all focus, when I play, I feel like I like have the match, but then lose the match. I didn’t think I’d be able to be in my smash crews. I can’t say I’m good at smash, I just adapt through remembering what others do when I do play my character. I am going to be the best Min Min Player in Michigan, and hopefully the rest of the world. I hope you get better and better at this game, I do as well. Thanks for all you do.

[@ruizroy6]

For me, I see 2 "just keep playing" and what some pros might think when they say it. Just keep playing NUMBER 1. learn from it. (i see this as training) with the mentality of wanting to get better, making schedules, and doing different exercises for long periods of time (Yes I do see this as the typical cliche of "just keep playing" because...it is and pros might mean this one when they say it because doing so is how they got their place as Pro smash players and it wasn't talent alone). The just keep playing NUMBER 2. hitting friends up to play friendlies or going online to just play the game, what Bestness might have thought.

[@adennakashima2267]

learning from your losses is one million times more valuable than trying to replicate your wins.

[@grapesalad_]

Omg this is just the video I needed. I never realized that just saying "oh I shouldn't do that" doesn't do anything, I actually thought that saying that in my head would let me know to mix it up.

[@judsonparker4921]

You know you want to join us BBoy. Just do it!! -This post made by the chicken bone collecting gang

[@azophi]

Everyone be talking Talent vs. Effort But nobody talking about how I'm a hero main and kill people at 0%. Neither talent nor effort required.

[@Gaudimann]

But Luck! If you are unlucky, you can´t play Hero, right? xD

[@haydeemichellemoralessanch6173]

yeah until you find a character that reflects that xdd

[@mysti_fay]

Prime example of why winning doesn't equate being good at the game

[@jdreid323]

It's really about the motivation. When you play with the motivation to be better than everyone, you are more than likely to succeed over someone with a lesser motivation. I played smash 4 for 3 years and was bad because I wanted to win but I didn't know how. I was overall basic until I had one match that made me feel so helpless that in the next match I beat him in an unbelievable way. In an instant I changed the way I played or even looked at smash because I finally had enough motivation to not just get better but to be better than anyone else. Ever since that day my win rate went from 50% to 85% in smash 4. Even in ultimate I'm just as good with 400 hours of game time as anyone with 2000 to 4000 hours just because I wanted to prove I can be just as good with less. I don't believe exactly that it's natural talent but if you push just that hard to figure it out once you do, you won't look at it the same way again, and that applies to anything involving competition.

[@enddorb]

Yeah, I can feel this. My abilities, even after trying to work on them, are super damn lopsided and I think my approaches are flat wrong, so I need to figure out how to go from here. What's worse is that you see videos like "how to adapt", but no videos like "how to make bad thumbs not go too hard on the stick when you want to walk or use a tilt" or "how to remember combos because you never can even when you were just watching them" or "how to deal with people who have faster, stronger, bigger attacks when you're stuck in shield". Never mind that having Rosalina and Luma as a main means it's hard to tell when I beat someone how much if it is just the advantage of matchup familiarity and how much is genuine skill difference in my favor

[@rodgeers7347]

Something I feel needs to be addressed is, if you want to be the best or one of the best, you have to have talent. Doesn't matter how hard or smart you work. You need talent to be the best

[@Turret0pera]

These videos really strike the problem as at its core, instead of glossing over it with the same generalized quotes. Kudos for really teaching people what it takes to get better, myself included.

[@justaguywhosaweebforfun6245]

I'm just a guy who's a smasher for fun.

[@jacobgamber5407]

Master, you are so.... Full of crap!

[@taylorallred6208]

Great video. Someone mentioned Gladwell's "Outliers" so I thought I'd mention "Peak: Secrets from the new science of expertise". They key thing that this book mentions is that you have to do "deliberate practice" which I think he described pretty well in the video. You may not have the same opportunities or drive as someone else but you can always get better through good practice. That's just how our brains work and it's crazy. Like, we can adapt to skills that have no use for our survival whatsoever because our brains evolved to adapt to adapting itself.

[@KiraIsChip]

Me: *has neither*

[@Koolkamjam_KKJ]

Thanks for the video. For as long as I’ve played smash, I’ve never really been able to fix the many habits I’ve had. There are many tines when I overthink things, or rush in to attack without thinking sometimes. I also feel like I’m always too scared of what my opponent can do instead of asking myself what my opponent has trouble doing. I know all the skills with all my characters yet can lose to almost anyone or barely win against anyone. Thank you for the video, I have a lot to think about 😊😊😊😊😊👍👍👍👍

[@santiagomelendez8771]

Everything you do, always do your best at it! You'll get better!

[@isaiahlamers2692]

Just found this channel, and your awesome.

[@BG-3496]

Talent/Instinct can only give you so much, but sticking to just talent means you're not learning. Most of fighting games is about paying attention. It's a good combination of learning how to read your opponent in neutral, practicing input executions for command moves and/or combos, and actually enjoying the game itself-- especially enough to practice the first two. The only real talent necessary to any task is enjoying it to a fanatical level of dedication. While it's not exactly Smash, that level of dedication is what makes BrolyLegs competitive level Street Fighter player.

[@autumn4442]

My take on talent vs effort is that talent is like a multiplier. If someone is twice as talented as someone else (though that would be two ends of the spectrum of talent), they will see double the improvement with the same amount of effort. Essentially, talent is a big advantage, but is nothing without/compared to effort.

[@jasonlee2767]

Just gotta say, i love the reference to megalobox, the legend

[@REALmyenemy]

I'm not lammer tier, but I'm as far from actual competitive playing as my main char is from the top rank. I play having fun, and in actual competition I get heavily destroyed (I actually lost against someone who had left hand broken once). When I try to think "what am I doing wrong" or "I can win this", is when I can't win a competitive match at all. Only when I think "Okay, I may not be able to win the match, but I can wreck the match for them", and begin thinking of what my opponent will do next instead of what should I do, is when I have a chance to win these.

[@LyfSukz]

Adaptation and creative thinking are important parts of the formula. So people who are naturally good at those things will have an advantage over those who don't. But as you go over in the video, if you really want to get better you HAVE to seek out challenges. That's the best way to start finding what you're not doing right. From that point, your own ability for adaptation and creativity can take you further, and if not then you may need to seek out info or guidance from people farther along than you to figure out how to correct your weaknesses.

[@shoggy532]

Talent is how fast u can learn something, it does not mean u are really good at it. Someone can be really talented in anything but without the practice it doesnt matter.

[@skylander84]

Hard work is like a multiplier, it makes your skill grow a lot and can be made bigger even if it just goes up by one. Talent is like an added bonus after the multiplier has been applied, it is nice, but nowhere near as good as hard work.

[@RocketRacer0]

"go to college to get good at smash" >me literally fails college to get good at smash

[@doejhonny]

There's probably someone out there that could be tournament level after playing the game for 1 week. There's probably also someone out there that can devote their entire life to the game and still suck. (yes, anti-talent is a thing.) Everyone has something they're born to be a master of, but most of us will die before ever finding that thing. Your weird talent could be painting intricate designs on mountains by throwing paint filled darts against rocky cliffsides with your feet. Chances are you will never try it to find out. On the other hand, maybe something as simple as walking is your anti-talent and you start sweating whenever you even think out stairs.

[@AmeButCool]

I love how you showed motivation is dead when saying they lose motivation

[@thomasdove9456]

I love your videos! Could you possibly make a video explaining basic things like how to tech and B-Reverses?

[@OsseusChicago]

Would love that clip where the guy cracks open a beer after rock paper scissors

[@EthanMickanen]

My biggest issue in smash is going for stylish plays. I play snake, but the way I play him isnt optimal because I dont camp. So I go for risky stuff a ton.

[@galaxybutter5624]

Keep up the great work my dude love these videos

[@pl3ysnontinde937]

I don’t have enough time to go to tournaments or friendliest even really. But I’m content with how decent I am in terms of more casual players. Still haven’t even been able pick a main really.

[@Kass1231999]

As one of my artist youtuber said, practice does not make perfect, but there is perfect practice

[@ryan4879]

I wrote this as a response to someone who got killed for holding ledge and thought it might be helpful to anyone having the same problem. " Well that would be why my mans gotta choose your ledge option a bit quicker. This can be applied to a lot of match ups especially ones where the character requires a time to make a set up happen (ex. pac man). Choosing a fast ledge option can help avoid a lot of things and can also bait people into choosing something to cover your quick option. This allowing you to hold ledge longer as a mix up and whiff punish their option"

[@ionica6038]

thanks for gen 4 music :)

[@metawarp7446]

So what matters are the amount of practise, practicing strategy and natural talent. I'd say *The curve of improvement and practise* (y=skill, x=amount of practise) is logarithmic. How high one's logarithmic curve reaches is determined by certain natural abilities. How steep one's curve is (how fast one improves) is also controlloed by certain abilities and also the practicing strategy. But hey, that's just a _hypothesis._

[@FinnKid1]

if only my self esteem was high enough to take these videos into consideration

[@jonathanveliz2070]

I wont lie that chicken bone collecting part made me laugh harder than care to admit

[@retroletro1178]

After playing smash since childhood, you tend to see which the difference between a casual, a competitive player and a pro player. Id say the most important is adapting on the fly. Changing up your playstyle by a little could litarally win you the match. Smash is a game where you want to get in your opponents head, make them question if the option there about to pick a good option limiting them on there responses. What i like to do to get them pissed at me is run straight at them ( and if they spotdodge ) crouch once and run away with banjo. (If not b reverse a downb and continue nuetral) its a small thing but those small interactions can make or break the set.

[@Imprez2564]

This is inspiring as an ICs and Wii Fit main, as a lot of times I feel like good characters just.... Win. I need to grind babyyyyyy

[@AK13th]

It was incredibly obvious for me with CS when I started. I played in a small town among my friends and was nowhere near the best player. A close friend and I moved to the city for college and played daily at the Cybercafe where players from a few colleges gathered to play along. After just about 4-5 months when we returned to play with our friends back in our hometown (Who have also constantly been playing), we absolutely destroyed then with 42/2 K/D ratios. Even we could not understand, from our perspective, it felt like friends in our home town became worse.

[@Freezie-oz9we]

Here’s a quote “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”

[@csolisr]

I do think that innate skills, or lack of them, can hinder the skill ceiling that someone is able to achieve. For example, I have seriously slow fingers and can't consistently shorthop or wavedash even if my life depended on it. Grinding shorthops has given me no results whatsoever, so I gave up on that and began researching ways to play around my inability to perform any advanced tech and focus on the basics. Yes, it limits my options and yes, opponents able to perform tech consistently will have an easier time beating me, but it's all I can work with and I have to play with whatever resources I do have access to (mind games, neutral, positioning)

[@DoctorMarius]

Thank you for doing that outro

[@romanp2027]

I learned how to get better by raising my CPU lvl.

[@mortezz1268]

Bn is 100% right on this and this isn't only with smash or video games in general. Let's take sports, more specific football (or soccer whatever), the best player in the world is Lionel Messi and the second best is Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi is known as the "talented guy" while Ronaldo is known as the "hardworking guy". Obviously Ronaldo is still talented and Messi is still hardworking but in general, Ronaldo has a lot of traits that you can only have if you train a lot (strength, stamina, shot power, jumping) while Messi has traits that you still have to train all the time but are basically things he's born with (precision, knowing the game, reading the opponents, knowing exactly what your teammates are going to do) and he is widely considered to be better than Ronaldo. But these are obviously extreme cases, but I have less extreme ones (still only with football as that's the sport I know most about). For example every few years we have a "new Messi" from somewhere in the world what basically just means another talented, young player. And although most of these don't even come near to the level Messi is, we still see someone like this playing for top teams. But we rarely hear about a "new Ronaldo". You know why? Because there are nearly no young players that are being considered as more hardworking than they are talented. Because talent is way more important. Again, you obviously need both to get world-class but we saw a lot of players playing for top teams that are just talented, the problem with them is they're not working hard enough. But a player that doesn't have an outstanding talent but is working hard every day (maybe harder than Ronaldo) won't make it anywhere in today's football world. Not only are the traits that talented players have way more important but when you're not exceptionally talented, there's not much you can work on that is going to make you great at something. And I know all of the people that made it are going to say that they made it because they worked so hard because they want to get their credit which is fine but it's really refreshing seeing someone that made it say that he's basically "lucky" he made it, he's talented.

[@mortezz1268]

Came back here 8 months later just to look back on how much facts I spitted in this comment

[@likablespoon234]

4:30 finally glad to see megaloblox getting the spotlight

[@mondaiji679]

i am honestly at a road block right now. i love playing smash and I want to get better but sometimes i feel like everytime i want to punish something i am just....way to slow idk why that is but it sure does feel like that often: i know what you will do but i am too slow to punish it. but to be fair i mostly play online because (well as of now there are no locals anyway) i am scared of going to tournys XD

[@Foxuniverso]

I used to play to a friend that was pretty good, he taught me a lot and showed me what habits i should get, since then id say I'm pretty good, better than a casual (i don't lose to the majority of my friends) and i can have 50/50 with players that practice. Personally I'm not a gamer and definitely a slow learner but for smash id say I'm pretty good, also your vids helped a lot but yeh

[@dougstacy5175]

pls do a video on why i feel like i’m examining pros who use my character and i spend at least 20 minutes a day in training mode trying to improve at everything that i struggle with but i still feel like i lose way more than i did when i played brain dead

[@justjoshin956]

This is kind of a difficult question, but I struggle with adapting. I notice habits, but then forget to punish because I’m so focused on everything else and I rely on muscle memory a lot. Thoughts?

[@markbless419]

9:27 holy shit that’s Felix Zemdegs, he’s the best 3x3 solver in the world (and holds many other WCA records too)

[@brycekrispies6496]

by far the best response I've seen so far

[@kalaistheone808]

@2:10 when you’re playing with your younger sibling and they pick kirby

[@pcvrisepic]

I play smash on separate joy cons should I switch to pro controlllers/ GameCube controllers?

[@Messy_liness]

I am so glad that someone actually understood what BestNess meant. Great video ✌

[@Hobby_Collector]

I'm a subtle Lucina main. I do well in most of the friendlies I play but a friend of mine plays a lot of Marth. I constantly get reads on where he is going with smash and obviously Lucina has a great punish for that. the thing is >60% he misses. Meaning he gets to whiff punish my perfectly aligned counter. Is there anything I can do about that? He gets wins because he's bad and that feels shitty.

[@heartboyxo2496]

That's wild that you're out in Utah too! I used to hit the locals back in the day! Is there still a scene in SLC?

[@GyanKeis]

BananaBoy Can you make a video of how to beat an aggressive player? Keep up the good work

[@linguini7294]

How did the big yoshi plush have anything to do what he was saying

[@branbot3000]

Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect, and look at the graph that shows up. Young BananaBoy who thinks he can beat ZeRo is on top of the peak of Mount Stupid (high confidence, low skill), and average players who know they aren’t the best but have some skill are in the Valley of Despair (low confidence, average skill). But if anyone stuck in that valley has any drive and passion for the game to improve their game, they will continue to build more and more confidence as they improve. And one day with enough hard work they can reach a point of high confidence and high skill to match. This process isn’t exclusive to Smash, it is a mindset that plays out for all walks of life.

[@terrymorrill4311]

Hey BananaBoy, Doublenickels here, I’m not actively playing smash anymore, and I don’t know if you remember me. BestNess has a point, and a very strong one when you look at the science. Of course, this doesn’t mean your genes are the only factor in play, but when we look at IQ research and big five personality research we find that our genes make up a large part of the variance between people, over 50% in the case of IQ. The best predictors of success in any field are IQ and conscientiousness (hard work), so yes, hard work makes a difference, but not everyone is naturally high in conscientiousness. Since we can’t change our genes, we have to look at environmental factors, and this is true of any area of improvement, not just Smash. As we get older we gain more control over our environment, since we’re talking Smash, things we can do include freeing up some time to practice and study, surrounding one’s self with high quality players, attending more events and subscribing to channels like yours in order to make the information more accessible and at the forefront of one’s thoughts. Of course, these measures aren’t always feasible and can’t correct for more serious deficiencies, and in those instances, it’s okay to accept that one might not be a high level player. In my case, I found other interests, a career in a different type of game and wasn’t and still am not in a position where putting hard work towards Smash is feasible. Just adding my two cents, I am a psychology guy after all, so this stuff interests me. Keep up the good content.

[@saatvikpalli7958]

I think Bestness tweets were addressing something not about the game and more about people; only some people have the inclination to play competitively consistently

[@Michael-cg5qn]

It’s the same crap with Naruto. I know it’s unrelated but hear me out. During his fight with Neji, Neji says his dream of being hokage is silly and that he needs to be realistic and Naruto responds that hard work does beat talent to which he disagrees. Neji says that if everyone really wanted it and worked hard then everyone is qualified to be hokage which isn’t true because that’s a position that you’re born for not made for. Naruto after hearing that is speechless by how right Neji is. The first-fourth hokage (at the time of the fight) weren’t nobodies, no they were all prodigies that were blessed with this so called talent he spoke of.

[@aidenandre106]

How about Lee vs Gaara, a fight with literally the exact same message in an even more obvious way

[@projectpotato]

@@aidenandre106 Lee- I'm going to use my thousands of hours of training to win! Gaara- Sand lol

[@anthonythomas9677]

Lee should've of won that fight ghara got body makes no sense how he was still conscious after he opened the gates

[@ZDY66666]

And then the ironic part is that turns out Naruto is also born with great ability and talent that was hidden so...I guess Neji was right after all

[@xXLucWuvXx]

Another great example would be...Goku vs Frieza. Frieza never ever trained and reached that incredible level while Goku trained his whole life. Anyways in the movie of Gold Frieza said that he trained for SIX Months if I remember correctly. He went from being alittle weaker super saiyan 1 to GOD level in just 6 MONTHS. While Goku has been training his whole life. probably over 40 years of training.. For me this is proof of Hardwork+Talent(Frieza) beats normal/hardwork(Goku) And I know they are different race...not even related,different genetics...You know this whole thing might not even make sense since is just anime but I have seen it with my own eyes. a prodigy that works hard is always a step above the normal person that works hard...The prodigies that work hard are the one that becone legends and make history. We know who they are

[@KenDoko]

The music in this vid was so nostalgic

[@pppoopoo1811]

I made that same relization and finally got out of going 0-2 but now i have these 2 different demons and the bracket will always align so i play those same two people early like round 2 or 3 winners and round 4-5 losers and recently i beat one of them game one i got destroyed and thought the whole set was just me getting destroyed but i made a realization that im not getting anywhere with this mindset and reverse 3 stocked him game 2 then 2 stocked him game 3 but that other guy I always bring to last stock but never win not even a game