Leffen Reviewed My Video! - My Response

[@chasejohnson3626]

One of the comments on leffen's video was literally "bannanaboy seems like the type of guy to review this video" lol

[@BeretBay]

I read that lol. He did it.

[@Matthew-ll3fp]

JWell and for profit

[@matiasrivera2087]

Yes

[@LeafBlade3436]

Yea i read it he is the kind of guy who will review his video and make a updated one like banaboy is really a good youtuber

[@sucidalpikachu2478]

@@Matthew-ll3fp i mean he is in college so yeah he needs profit.

[@pizzatime1901]

Some misinformation you got was that Jigglypuff has actually committed several war crimes and is currently on the run from the police

[@BoyfriendTXT]

Pizzatime! This is true I can confirm.

[@nickTriesHisBest]

He favorited it so it's gotta be true

[@darrest9808]

She also buff

[@sel_gaming8916]

It has a heart so it got truly confirmed!

[@NCozy]

Fuck

[@PascalTyranitar]

“It's actually crazy how randomly good that character is.” My thoughts exactly lol

[@Carlisho]

I LIKE YOUR ATTITUDE

[@wilsan2644]

Zenthic Epic *Most games

[@DerPafferfish]

@@Peter-q1p7t I couldn't disagree more. If anything, characters that have very easy to execute but oppressive moves are frequently in the highest tiers. That has been true since the very beginning with characters like Akuma and old Sagat and has been true for Smash with Brawl Meta(Knight) or 4 Bayo.

[@Carlisho]

1998SIMOMEGA *YER DUN*

[@DerPafferfish]

@1998SIMOMEGA You keep telling yourself that, lad.

[@santa5403]

Leffen's chat was painful to watch

[@fompjex]

Agreed. I literally cringed.

[@princiedv]

Leffen is honestly a great player and personality to me, but his audience is like 👀

[@ekene4886]

@@princiedv I think his personality is mainly what people critizise

[@princiedv]

@@ekene4886 (that's why I put the to me at that part, I like the more serious, quick tempered attitude sometimes)

[@runterranger7398]

Twitch chat is almost always bad

[@StickMaster500]

Leffen response was good but his toxic chat just kills it

[@verde7595]

It's a shame, really. I can tell he's trying to reform but his chat is just so cancerous it's unbelievable. I've always been one to forgive the past if they can prove themselves, but MAN.

[@SnowBaller985]

Leffen is just trying to provide constructive criticism, but his chat is basically on the same level as Kpop stans on Twitter

[@th0rrr]

I mean, toxic creators attract toxic fans. That way they can both be toxic. Even though Leffen has changed, he still has those toxic fans. Maybe I am seeing this wrong tho, correct me if I’m wrong...

[@ImAviex]

verde Thats just basically every smash twitch chat tbh, look at any tournament chat

[@alephbunchofnumbers]

@@ImAviex true, but that's also applicable to any online smash community tbh.. look at reddit, or even twitter.

[@withersheepy9179]

so when is the Leffen diss track coming

[@justjoshin956]

As soon as someone decides to put this comment section to music.

[@Phoenix_The_HeroHater]

WITHERSHEEPY probably soon

[@viktorin6175]

I’m not lawful

[@Phoenix_The_HeroHater]

Make this pussy stop talking

[@ReallyRoland701]

Sometimes I miss how ratchet the smash scene could be, the Chillindude Leffen drama was 10/10 meme material.

[@Juggleboy]

Can't wait for the Leffen reaction to your reaction to his reaction video!

[@toyotatace_zss]

that’s seems like a leffen thing

[@forex2893]

Can wait for bananaboys reaction video to leffens reaction to the bananaboys video about leffens video about bananaboys video

[@jessiem.8301]

Lol juggleboy I was surprised when I seen you here!

[@DeepFriedVegan]

Lmao, he'll probably just respond with a tweet, but back and fourth reactions would be sick.

[@elite463]

Ideally this just goes on forever

[@DaneWorms]

Leffen’s video was good but his chat is full of sheep and weenies

[@menslingerie5502]

For real, even when Leffen was wrong they sheep nodded in agreement. "WOW LEL SO DUMB OBVIOUS XD HE BAD" (I like all their content to be clear and it is all good for the game as a whole)

[@aabfnrjkfnvrofnfnrpldcbrko9027]

Icey leffentard

[@uintahsmash1388]

Leffen's attitude towards others and Smash is part of the reason his chat is so toxic. He's the Trump of Smash.

[@DaneWorms]

Icey That’s fair

[@thedon6079]

@@DaneWorms Yea it's fair if you enjoy acting like a sheeple lol. "Resonating with those you enjoy" is not an excuse to blindly follow someone no matter what they say or do.

[@AAABattery__]

Thanks Bannaboy for making these vids. Seriously. And also I love how you accept your mistakes, as well as you critiquing your videos and showing where you went wrong. I may be just a casual smash player, but if I were to recommend some smash channels to someone who wanted to go competitive, yours would be one of them. And congrats on the 100k man!

[@Amalga]

An addition to the shield safety thing, for all aerials, the +/- on shield anticipates that the move hits your opponent's shield the frame before they land on the ground. This is why sometimes you're able to punish moves when they're not perfectly spaced, if DK hits B-Air on shield a few frames too high it can be possible to shield grab. Pac F-Air is another good example of this, it's -6 if he lands with it but it's -13 if he does it out of a short hop so it's not always safe

[@moosemeep3694]

Oh thanks thats good to know

[@Phychologik]

Also just in case you didn't know -Up b out of shield takes an additional 2 frames to cancel shield- This is wrong. Up b actually has no extra lag. Jump oos (or in general) takes 3 frames. With this you can use other aerials and special moves as an out of shield option. -And up smash oos adds 3 as well.- also false :( For all your grounded options you must release shield (takes 11 frames I believe) before they are activated.

[@Amalga]

@@Phychologik I thought they changed it in Ultimate so you can just do up-smash and up-B OoS instantly without jump cancelling, also I'm pretty sure G&W up-B is just a frame 3 move to begin with but everything else you said is mad useful

[@Glitch-ww7iz]

Also idk if sinji was right on this but hydrant has 16.3 hp not 13 all I really know is that it has at least over 14 cuz melon does 14.4 and doesn't one shot it

[@Phychologik]

​@@AmalgaYeah, sorry about that, I just checked and it is in fact frame 3. I have no idea where I got that from. And by jump canceling, I was just talking about using a fast non-upward special move like fox's shine or bowser's side-b out of shield. And yes. Up b and up smash have no additional lag. I'm getting a lot of mixed information. But I think this is right. Thanks for keeping my facts in check :)

[@abrahamlincoln7907]

It’s nice that everyone is being respectful for once.

[@ConneryPony]

Smash is the real For Honor.

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

except leffen's twitch chat

[@abrahamlincoln7907]

hhh hhh True dat

[@taistealai5523]

what about his twitch chat

[@PiplupTheMaster]

Man I felt bad when Leffens chat really tried to ridicule you

[@afsilver07]

Twitch chat being cancer as usual

[@rgprosucctions1704]

@@afsilver07 Leffen fans being cancer, Thats a new one c:

[@punguin8591]

@@rgprosucctions1704 its twitch chat in general, they're always cancer

[@een3162]

I watched legend video, and I’m willing to bet money that the people saying that the video was bad and criticized banana boy, had no idea what they were talking about

[@Yashahiro_]

Punguin but especially Leffens chat. He’s a bad guy, do people not know how toxic he is? Of course his chat would be just as bad.

[@prototype97400]

Well this is a pretty good way to take that critique. That's why I like your videos, you're not into drama stuff, you're just trying to share your experience and knowledge to help as many player as you can. Great job , if this experience can tend to make your video better, that's a good thing I think.

[@elite463]

You’re a real one for competing/YouTubing while still I’m school. A lot of us know what college can be like and will always respect you for taking your time so know that.

[@UltimateTS64]

Wow, way to be a good sport and genuinely learn from your mistakes. I really appreciate you wanting to get us the right information

[@jojorock6908]

Do u actually like bananas just curious

[@LordKarnox]

Watch his q/a :D

[@TheJellitin]

He doesn't play Diddy, so...

[@yoyoguy1st]

No he actually hates bananas.

[@haniii3]

R u actually a boy

[@guacamolepens8481]

Hannibal? Now THESE r some questions not even god can answer

[@downtownvegas]

Great follow up. It feels that you take ur first video too hard. There is still many many great points in there.And from a beginners standpoint, like myself, its the only video that goes over all the characters. It was a great video to get a quick overview of everyone. Excited about the future updates

[@pedrobuss1]

This is literally the best response you could have made, you continued the conversation on a polite manner, corrected yourself and helped the community, thx for your videos

[@otis8237]

“Banana boy is the type of guy to look at all this and remake the video tbh” -some guy in leffens comment section

[@paulnoell39]

Imagine if Leffen reviewed this review Also, as a Pichu main, I can confirm K.O. Punch kills me at zero percent

[@Thief005]

I think everyone kills pichu at zero he's made or cotton

[@ShanePhoenix5558]

Biggest mistake was putting a Pichu otter box on my phone and that shit couldn’t make it past 0% before dying. now that I switched to a pikachu otter I’m rocking 100% all day never dying

[@lavender188]

doesn't pichu die from like. being sneezed on or something.

[@jjrambles683]

@@Thief005 I've killed Pichu with banjo's sucky up air which I didn't think was possible

[@thecrimsoncreep]

And Dedede's fsmash

[@Crusher1300]

Banana Boy vs Leffen money match when???

[@FabulousJejmaze]

Let’s crowd fund to hire a venue for the Banana Boy vs Leffen event!

[@beachedwhale12]

it would be a wash

[@BananaBoySSB]

Down

[@Crusher1300]

@@BananaBoySSB oh snap!

[@edwinzuniga1987]

My money is on leffen. Sorry banana boy :(

[@alex123fon]

We appreciate you making educational videos especially when they are difficult and time consuming. Thank you and keep it up.

[@m3rcgaminghd]

The description of " Gimmicky Nightmare" fits Icies so well

[@strawberrysayori-222]

“Years of research” is that a Salem jab? lol

[@cordeliafrey9950]

It's so weird to see smashers interacting with each other maturely. Especially leffen

[@noodletribunal9793]

evidence.zip

[@mathunit1]

If he apologizes to Leon for shitting on Bowser, than I believe it. Otherwise, Leffen's still an asshole, just more subtle now.

[@Avaitor_YT]

​@@mathunit1 I don't even know him and automatically assumed "He's a toxic asshole, but is just being nice here for the sake of it" and right after saw this. 💀💀💀 PS: trust your gut

[@Avaitor_YT]

​@@mathunit1 Oh, yeah he also gave me Ninja/Phisnom vibes so that might explain why some people here figured that out so fast

[@obamaorb7426]

Though I think leffen makes some great points, there was no excuse for the toxicity of his chat

[@obamaorb7426]

@Plant Kirby It is when said toxicity is aimed at somebody who isn't the streamer

[@staticparsley6262]

@Plant Kirby You really can't do much with Twitch chat tbh

[@kyun0q]

Leffen can't do much about it.

[@lukeyyyyyy]

@Plant Kirby twitch is just cancer in every way. It's too bad because most of the streamers are sound but the platform is so fucked

[@shield_rat221]

Tbh even leffen tried to tell them off on that but eh

[@samgomez9942]

I'm impressed that BB straightup told us to watch Leffen's video instead of his, since ad revenue is based off views. Things like these are why I like him.

[@rixaxeno7167]

sometimes honesty is more important than greed

[@chroni3659]

*watch time, not views, but yeah the same logic applies

[@samgomez9942]

@@chroni3659 Yeah, but you know what I mean lol

[@MallowJam]

He actually told you to watch both

[@samgomez9942]

@@MallowJam Um, I'm pretty sure he didn't tell us to go watch his video dude.

[@Grapevin]

years of research is such an easy punchline yet i laugh every time

[@seansolo3583]

Especially on a video featuring big leff

[@VincentViewer]

Great way to deal with critiques. Class act 🤟

[@wahffle]

LOL dude the video turned out great! Glad you took the information and turned it into something useful ♥️ def one of my favorite mentally youtubers! Keep doing you bro :)

[@BlackArrowGaming]

Big props for staying classy and taking Leffen's critique so well. This civil and analytical response was not only very helpful, it was downright refreshing. The internet can be such a toxic place. I'm glad to see you are willing to go the extra mile to be one of the good guys. Keep up the good work, sir!

[@drewwinters5165]

Hey BananaBoy, I really appreciate the videos that you put out. Even if some information are incorrect, you put out the most amount of content for getting better at smash than any other KZbinr out there. Me and a lot of others support your videos and we all can’t wait to see what other content you’ll put out next. I can’t wait to see your updated video on how to deal with characters, but please take as much time as you need, there is no rush. Keep doing you. -Sincerely SSB100, the player that beat you in a random character money match at Genesis 7. :)

[@patnostar5276]

Good Stuff Bro💯 I respect your maturity and objectivity👌🏾 Can’t wait for the remake!

[@ikatulo_yt]

This dude so mature and wholesome 😊

[@KB-bd1xi]

The response videos add so much value to your original, glad you both made them

[@equinox-XVI]

2:43 Man this joke never gets old. The transition period from one smash to the next will always be one of, if not, the most salty times in the community.

[@XLgamer1055]

Hey, I never really got the chance to thank you for coming to our school. Thank you so much for giving us all the tips and for playing against us! It was really an awesome experience!

[@BoyfriendTXT]

Very good response BananaBoy. Good to see two content creators and players having a healthy discussion, Shame about the chat doing what the chat does though.

[@kevinocta9716]

Awesome. Although mistakes were made by all I think the original video you made is still one of the best quick-fire resources for getting a general idea about each character's game-plan: at least until version 2 comes out, which I'm super looking forward to! Leffen's video was not really concise (not that it was meant to be in the first place) so that makes it harder to use that as an updated guide, so, I'm even more exited for version 2!

[@BunniBuu]

When you said you were going to remake the video it actually made me very happy :D Usually content creators go "Oh, all the information is out there now... no need to remake it" but having a huge resource all in one place is very useful!

[@Pelet_Pelet]

I still love your video, and I CANT WAIT for a VERSION 2 OF THIS from your part! :)

[@sharsasuke01]

4:48 Were Charizard's calves always so ripped?

[@PurpleFreezerPage]

You’re really going in depth in explaining your errors in the previous videos. It’s okay, really.

[@alfredade6389]

I really respect your humility when correcting your errors. And your kindness when point out Leffen's errors.

[@anselmerevuz3742]

I like the reaction, the desire to give real information and the willingness to take criticism (the good ones). I really like the mentality. (+1, like video, abo // even if i don't really play SSB or even have the game)

[@dabeedisthesir7109]

This was very tastefully executed. You have my respect m8.

[@-rami-8528]

what a great response dude, you gladly took all the criticism to heart but still pointed out some of the things you said to be true, with actual proof

[@Heebie-Deebies]

I was hoping Bananaboy would make this video! It's great he could take in the critiques, but could also provide reasoning and stood by some of his beliefs. Edit: I would absolutely love a new guide. The last one was useful, but a more detailed, cleaned up one would be a godsend.

[@krieghart5515]

You should be Cucumberboy, because you're as chill as one. Great video! Love the ones on meditation, combines my two favorite subjects and not many take mental health into consideration when improving gameplay.

[@carthagegaming5545]

BananaBoy for president 2020. I love that you were so positive about the feedback and critique. 99% of the time this woulda turned into some random beef with anyone else.

[@justjoshin956]

Dude you are an amazing youtuber, and i love your videos! Also, you are way more humble than i am, leffen's video would (and kind of did) frustrate me. Thanks for the time and effort you put into your content.

[@Deezissus250]

Can’t wait until leffen reviews you reviewing his review of him reviewing your review!

[@JmPie74]

I actually don’t play competitive smash anymore, but as a yoshi main I’ve always loved your videos. Good job bro.

[@arswl854]

Sorry for the off topic But seeing MKDR in your recommend list in 12:40 What a man of culture

[@TheKillerHorseman]

I live in a place very far from you (another country). We probably will never meet. But I want to say “thank you” for your informative videos. It makes me play more with my brain instead of doing things automatically. And it is also practice for my english. Thank You. (People should be more thankful)

[@fordprefect5104]

Lots of respect for making this video and learning from your mistakes. I liked both the original and Leffens. I'm really looking forward to part two.

[@stephenmaher4690]

This and the original project are awesome. The size of the original project was huge, I hope you don't feel bad about these errors. I'm glad you've learned and moved on. You're my favorite smash KZbinr.

[@LegendAesthetics]

Ah, the twitch chat, cancerous as always.

[@Carlisho]

A beautiful and lovely place to spend time on

[@LegendAesthetics]

Carlos Guzman A romantic place with obviously good smell and no sweat.

[@happycamperds9917]

There are two types of Twitch chats: the toxic and “Bread is soup.”

[@lifadysi9418]

@@scoobert8217 It's sad. Some of them, or even more than some of them, most likely hate themselves.

[@Alchatraaz938]

This was very professional and I’m glad you guys aren’t just throwing salt at each other. Thanks for being committed to the smash community! I found your video really helpful.

[@znerd3664]

This is by far the most mature response to a critique video I have ever seen. Well done @bananaboy! Most people do not have this level of humility

[@TheStellarJay]

WELL DONE ON 100,000 SUBS!!!

[@hodstrat3722]

Great comeback from you, it's great to see that you've taken the criticism and head in to make a great video about it

[@axees8755]

I am just here to say that i am really enjoying your content. You are a amazing Dude , keep up your vibe

[@AxylusMaximus]

Take your time bananaboy thanks for all your hard work. And good luck with your classes!

[@72823m]

MASSIVE respect for this vid. All of this only helps your audience, and it’s so impressive that you remained humble. Best smash channel imo

[@silverview5244]

Something I learned about Captain Falcon down air from Fatalities channel is that there isn't always enough hit stun to genuinely follow up. He says that he normally reads their di in order to get the punish.

[@XastherReeD]

8:05 regarding your explanation on "Safe on shield": The "minus on shield" value on ultimateframedata.com refers to the optimal hitting of the opponents shield the very frame before landing. Therefore, the actual "minus on shield" value is whatever the move is naturally minus/negativ on shield + however many frames the attacker has left to reach the ground and enter the landing animation. This is the reason why you want to hit the opponents shield as low as possible. I think this, at least, deserves to be mentioned to avoid confusion for players not too versed in Smash yet or players who haven't really considered those few extra frames. 2-3 Frames, because you hit the shield higher, can make all the difference regarding oos options of the opponent, after all.

[@XastherReeD]

My comment is not about landing lag. It's about the extra frames it takes for your character to reach the ground and enter the landing lag animation. As I already wrote, the "minus on shield" applies if the attack on shield is the exact frame before the attacker lands, which is not always the case.

[@BenChaverin]

Dude your videos are great. I appreciate your openness to critique, but good stuff

[@gustavofernandez9613]

Hey I just want to say that I've personally learned a lot from your Channel. And I'm always excited to see your content 👍. You did a great job and I can't wait for the next video and I know you put a lot of hard work and heart into each one :)

[@taiai5031]

Massive respect. You're extremely polite and humble.

[@gracefulcharity8412]

Thank you for acknowledging everything. Great video man !!

[@ChrisPepper1989]

this is great to see, and everyone should be so grateful for the input to the smash community. Looking forward to the next series! Can i have lots of info on how to beat Dark Pit, asking for a friend, with a very annoying Dark Pit main friend :p

[@t.h.mcelroy6597]

Well handled, my friend. I look forward to your future content.

[@Kerwell]

Thanks for making me a better smash player with all your videos. I’m no online warrior as I’m still trying to master fundamentals and picked up using claw hand position, but I’m extremely well off compared to where I started.

[@icecreambone]

the being nice to leffen mixup is my favorite

[@AlquimistEd]

Just a note on Inkling's roller, once she starts the move there is actually quite a bit of time before she can perform any action, like jumping out or stopping roller, so the sooner you shield the roller the more punishable the move is.

[@GenophefeElisabeth]

That was a very mature response. Nice job, man

[@reper6237]

Can anyone handle criticism better ? Every hostile comments or thoughts got solved frame one. This response was so down to earth and honest. It's so easy to tell your heart is in the right place judging bye your commentaries. Keep up the great content! Can't wait for prt. 2!

[@aperalesmobile]

I'm glad that you and leffen were civil about this whole thing. Not every disagreement needs to turn into a "beef" and at the end of the day these are just opinions about a fighting game. That being said, BANANABOY VS BIG LEFF MONEY MATCH SALTY SUITE 2020 bby, winner gets to have the right opinion.

[@kevinarmes9804]

Dude you're awesome! Leffen is amazing too, but no need to apologize, the video is super helpful anyway. Keep it up!

[@Bongobongobongobongo]

Ay bro, just saying, you should be extremely proud of your guide. It was very well made, and although it did have some errors, it's the first decent video of its format to hit youtube. You are a very diligent smash content creator and im surprised of the quality of your videos and gameplay. The fact you took the time to review the review of your video says a lot about your persistence. New sub earned :) Ps. You even went out of your way to add facts that leffen missed as well. GREAT job. Love your content.

[@urke5895]

You took the criticism really well. GJ!!!

[@HypnoticSwitch]

I think your video was really useful. And I became a better player because of it. Just wanna say thanks foe the help.

[@adamlawler407]

Leffen will make a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a video

[@ACDGames]

God dammit. I genuinely just wanna be your friend, BananaBoy! Great work all 'round!

[@6VladDracul9]

Never give up! Please continue also if the video is over 1 hour make 2 parts good luck!

[@kellerwhite9299]

Excellent video! Can't wait for V2!

[@aaronisaacman1623]

To only have that many mistakes on a cast of nearly 80 characters, I think that video is still something to be proud of. And yeah, maybe some of the things like Mario's bair arent technically true, but they're close enough that your game will improve anyway. Thank you for creating content like this.

[@ShanePhoenix5558]

Bravo bannaboy you sir are classy and kind. I watched your first video and leffens remark video and honestly I felt the comments and stuff you pointed out in your first video were for people like me. People who are still newbs at smash. Like I understood what you were getting at and felt like they were techniques I could use as a stepping stool to advance alittle. Then leffen treated it like everyone who picks up the controller from the start is gonna be pro and be able to do all these technical moves like him and the pros. You did a good man and the way you responded with this video was awesome.

[@math1410]

that yoshi plush on the thumbnail gave me so many memories man

[@yarakharam5343]

Sidenote on roller vs yoshi, you can upsmash oos as yoshi between first and second roller hit, it cover the jump or continuous roller.

[@jiupeper6204]

100k holy congrats!

[@hivesteel]

Good response. I was really annoyed by how Leffen just screamed FRAME DATA whenever you said "you can probably punish this." Frame data is important to mention, but he's the one spreading misinformation when saying DK BAir (for example) is unpunishable. -6/-7 is straight up punishable by some characters. Then, it's almost punishable by most of the cast, so only perfectly spaced BAir are safe. It's a big hitbox that DKs will throw out in neutral to cover many options. Inkling is another one that comes to mind after watching ESam vs Cosmos set. ESam shield grabbed inkling BAir -A TON-. So what, Cosmos is bad? No, ESam either messed up Cosmos' spacing, or Cosmos was trying to beat Pika's aerials in the aerial rather than shield pressure, making the BAir unsafe. He complained about you overgeneralizing, then kept saying "if the frame data says so, you can never punish this move" which is an even worse generalization. Thanks for the response summarizing his hard-to-watch video.

[@hyandanaur3649]

This is a really cool video. I'm really glad to see that you're taking this as a learning opportunity, rather than try to start a flame war lol

[@bman3977]

Now we have to have a collaboration video with you and Leffen, discussing what is an opinion and what is fact 😂

[@youfelloff1662]

We’re at 100k bois

[@amphicyon4359]

Good guy BananaBoy. Perfect example of how to respond to slightly incendiary critiques

[@ultimatederp5069]

Great video dude. Love that there is no salt or rudeness. Just genuine positive feedback. Love it.

[@BennyPir10]

I’ve been watching you for a while, but it was this one that earned my subscription. Excellent work.

[@foxblaz6162]

I respect the fact you admit you made a mistake, takes a big man you have my respect n follow for that . Awesome stuff man