Caller Wants to Help Matt Find His Faith Again | Juan - Los Angeles, CA | Talk Heathen 03.25

[@TumbleweedMK4]

I think Matt and Jamie are a good balance for each other xD Jamie: Well... okay... let's just look at this... Matt: OH MY FCKING GOD

[@AfroKing.]

@Dominik Rodriguez probably, who knows not does it matter

[@silverwolf2676]

Jamie is what people say, Matt is what they think.

[@ahgflyguy]

I'd like for these two to be on together more. And I'd like for Jamie to have a towel he can pull out to fan Matt whenever Matt gets a little loud.

[@ahgflyguy]

@@silverwolf2676 Jamie is what nice people say. Matt is what I say.

[@TadValente]

@@ahgflyguy Lmaoo to both

[@frogstamper]

Matt..."How many other batshit beliefs do you have that aren't supported by evidence" Caller.."Eh, I think this is the only one".

[@patsaxon5284]

The Bible is clear that “a fool says in his heart there is no God.” When that person begins to embrace a man-made cause, a man-invented ideology, and in the process, do what is right in his own eyes, he begins to justify abominable and evil things.

[@nates9029]

@@patsaxon5284 - Yeah, no one cares what the Bible says. It sanctions slavery, incest, rape, genocide and there is NO evidence that God had anything to do with the Bible. So some guy just saying, "a fool says in his heart that there is no God" doesn't mean anything. Religions are man-invented ideologies and they do allow you to justify abominable and evil things and even give you divine sanction for them too. Prove that your imaginary sky Daddy is real and that he had anything to do with the Bible.

[@ferrumignis]

@@patsaxon5284 The bible was clearly written by men, is ambiguous, contradictory and describes many horrific and evil acts either perpetuated or sanctioned by God. This makes it the very thing you abhor; a man-made cause, a man-made ideology. Then we have the existence of holy books for the other Abrahamic religions and much older sacred texts for the pagan gods, what makes you think they are wrong but the Bible is correct?

[@disgusted1]

@@patsaxon5284 _a man-invented ideology_ You just summed up religion right there

[@reneewashington8010]

I cant watch the atheists on this show without thinking "dead man walking".

[@Amaraaa23]

Also, there’s something to be said about how Christians just confuse their inner voice/conscience with thinking a God or spirit is talking to them.

[@Amaraaa23]

@Derrick Crawley I use my own judgement and thought process to guide me.

[@HappyHippieGaymer]

Thats scary to me because that means they are able to convince themselves that their personal biases are a god.

[@Aeroldoth3]

@@HappyHippieGaymer Which explains why they are so cocksure and arrogant IN those beliefs, and justified in imposing them on others.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

Well, if you had been indoctrinated from a young age to believe it, or convinced of it, why would you not be confused?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Pretty irrational alright but it's all they've got.

[@jeffreybird6202]

If you want to be a Christian, have someone read the bible to you. If you want to be an atheist read it yourself.

[@beverly719]

@Grace Bressi on an episode of "Mrs Brown's Boys" the "Mrs" has a discussion with JWs that come to the door about Noah's ark and the flood.....she tells them she knows that story isn't true...then tells them that "you say it rained forty days and forty nights....in Ireland we call that feckin' summer".... 😂

[@nomasmedia2053]

@@beverly719.

[@brucebaker810]

If you want to be Agnostic...I don't know what you should do with the bible.

[@toddlynch7740]

Best. Comment. Ever. It's so good I wrote it down so I can't forget it.

[@blackjakibwt3305]

@Grace Bressi religions have everything to do with the “after life” It doesn’t exist outside of religions

[@micah7492]

He seems like a nice and respectful guy. I hope he gets out of his cult.

[@Kitiwake]

He's non denominational .so how can he be in a cult?

[@SeanFisher]

@@Kitiwake he's a part of a religion, which is just a culturally tolerated cult that has money and resources

[@elamplough1]

Hopefully this phone call has at least caused him to question his beliefs. Poor guy seems so insecure and embarrassed as the conversation goes on but in the long-term this could have influenced him in a good way.

[@steevrawjers]

This Guy true agreed

[@steevrawjers]

Pat Aherne the Bible is A cult when you are brainwashed by it

[@doctorshell7118]

“I have a personal relationship with Jesus” Cool. I have a personal relationship with reality.

[@v.sandrone4268]

You too??? Reality is a real bitch..I thought I was the only one.

[@morpheas768]

She is a bitch, because she doesnt care about anyone's feelings, unlike people's fantasies, aka religion.

[@foreverbooked2964]

@Grace Bressi why so you believe there is a creator? There's no evidence.

[@foreverbooked2964]

@Grace Bressi "and there is no evidence that there is not." Doesnt matter. The burden of proof is not on me. You are claiming that a creator exists. I, on the other hand, am just saying that I am not convinced there is a creator. You are claiming something. Simple logic dictates that you should prove your claim. Why should i give evidence for something I did not claim? "There is enough evidence with people that have had near death experiences." No there is not. That is not evidence. Its just your brain hallucinating. Your brain tries to keep you alive. Thats also the reason why you remeber your loved ones when you ae dying. Your body's survival mechanisms kick in, trying to keep you alive. That isn't evidence for a creator. My point stands: there is no evidence of a creator or creators.

[@foreverbooked2964]

@Grace Bressi who the heck is saying that we are the only species in the universe? Are you even reading my replies? It is you who is ignorant. As I said, I am not claiming anything. There might be aliens, there might not be, i dont know. There might be god, there might not be. I dont know. I am not convinced there is one. Doesnt explain the whole universe? Of course it doesnt. Science explains the whole universe. The big bang theory explains the universe. You have no evidence that a creator made the universe. At this point, what you have is just blind faith, nothing to do with reality.

[@phenomagator]

Juan: "Have you heard of a guy named Lee Strobel?" Matt: I'm going to end this man's whole career

[@sl0ptart]

The barely contained rage in Matt's eyes when buddy mentioned Lee was the icing on a great day. 😆

[@princegobi5992]

@@sl0ptart is it though? He kind of sounded like a kid still mad at his parents tbh

[@sl0ptart]

@@princegobi5992 I just meant I love when Matt is fed up with someone. It's just funny to me

[@thirtyseconds2589]

That was funny, matt truly wasnt expecting that

[@dino91001]

Just stop 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@JackOfHarts96]

You can tell Matt is holding back when he's only co-hosting.

[@TheHmm43]

He's not holding back in his online chess game though

[@tylerbrown3135]

Poor guy is struggling mentally to hold onto his faith. Hope he makes it out

[@mark737-c4x]

Can I refer you to a response I have made to a similar comment by. Eneola obusi Just below.

[@kateofone]

He is weak

[@Declan-pg8cg]

Yep, when reality gets too rough, he mainlines a massive hit of Jebus. Poor thing, I actually feel for the dude.

[@merikijiya13]

Stefan Urban I think a good community of loving honest people would do better than Jesus. Hope he gets it because using jesus as a Crutch is never a good sign.

[@arjunpadiyar956]

Kate Russell hes not necessarily weak. For some people, religion is a big part of their lives, and letting go of that part of their life is really hard because it’s become a part of their reality. It takes hard work to overcome something you have believed since you were young.

[@chocolatedoughnut1305]

"I don't believe there's a god, you do. Why?" "Yes. Because I've felt him" Me: Where? Show me where on the doll he touched you

[@kenhammscousin4716]

Now that's funny xD

[@lonnierh0dgejr41]

Chocolate Doughnut yes jesus loves you...from behind. :P

[@mihaicolceriu-nicola7148]

lmfao :))))))))))))))

[@RonLarhz]

Damn. Idk if i should be mad at u or not. Rape victims, i stand by you~~~

[@mahadomar7039]

It's confirmed that god is a molester XD

[@Legs_]

Matt- "some people think they have a personal relationship with Harry Potter" Jamie- "and that fanfic is nasty" Okay I laughed

[@miekekuppen9275]

That plus "I just touched Jamie".

[@gladiator8325]

billions?

[@KnakuanaRka]

David Parry A pile of dollars does not sound like a comfortable place to rest.

[@berylgilligan9287]

🤣🤣

[@michaal105]

I was an agnostic for most of my life. When I was 17, I started searching for the truth regarding God and whether or not he existed. I researched the claims of Atheism, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam as well as learning of a few others for about 6 months. By the end the conclusion was clear: Jesus Christ is the only truth. I only ask that as you read the remainder of this comment, please have an open mind and allow me to share with you a piece of evidence: In my view the strongest piece of evidence is Jesus' resurrection. Jesus' existence is a historically established fact. Even non-Christian scholars agree on this. We actually have 12 distinct extra-biblical sources from the time period of Christianity's earliest days to confirm this, both Roman and Jewish. They were against Christianity, yet their sources give credence to the existence of its central figure. As such, the Christ-Myth theory is complete rubbish and no serious historical scholar takes it seriously. The historical consensus is that Jesus did indeed exist. The proof of The Christian God hinges mainly on the resurrection. In order to prove this we need to establish a) Jesus was indeed dead and b) he was alive again later. One of the gospel writers was also one of Jesus' 12 apostles, John. He was present at the crucifixion. He describes the stabbing of Jesus lung as a sudden outflow of blood and then water - this is exactly how an uneducated laymen would describe the rupturing of the pericardial sac, giving credence that his death was authentic. The Romans too were very thorough in their executions, which is why they stabbed Jesus to make sure he was dead. Jesus could not have faked it. Non-Christian scholars agree that he indeed died on the cross. To quote one such scholar - Pinchas Lapide: ''Jesus' death by crucifixion is historically certain.'' Historians agree that the tomb was indeed empty, for various reasons. The belief in Christ's resurrection is dated soon after his death. To quote James DG Dunn, speaking on the resurrection: "This tradition we can be entirely confident was formulated within months of Jesus' death." If the tomb wasn't empty then the Jews and Romans, noticing the fast spread of early Christianity, would have either removed the body and hung it at the city gates (in the case of the Romans) or encouraged the early Christians and the Jews around them to take a look at the body in the tomb. But this didn't happen, because the tomb did not have Jesus in it. Secondly, Jesus' tomb was first discovered empty by women. Women were viewed very lowly in first-century Palestine (First-century Jewish scholar Josephus wrote that the testimony of a woman could not be trusted, the predominant attitude among the Palestinian men at the time under the false guise that they were naturally mentally inferior). Yet the gospels, and in particular the gospel of Luke (whom archaeologist Sir William Ramsay said: "should be placed along with the very greatest of historians'') attributes a women as the first witnesses. If Christ's resurrection were false and the early Christians wanted the people of their day to believe he was risen, they would have attributed the initial witness of Christ's resurrection to a man. The reason they didn't is because they wanted to record as accurately as possible the events that occurred - the true resurrection of Jesus. Historically, the Jews circulated the story that Jesus' disciples had stolen the body. This was not only addressed in the gospel of Matthew, but in the second century Justin Martyr recorded that it was still being circulated in his day! There would be no need had the tomb not been empty. But the disciples could not possibly have stolen the body. Pontius Pilate sent out a detachment of Roman soldiers who took shifts day and night guarding the tomb, so as to prevent anyone from stealing the body. A Roman guard was a group consisting of 10 to 30 soldiers. They took shifts day and night, so there was never a time in the days before Jesus' resurrection that the tomb was never being watched - they would have seen the disciples approach. Even if they were asleep the stone, weighing about 3 or 4 thousand pounds would have needed to be pushed by multiple of Jesus' followers to have a chance of being moved; so they would have been seen, heard struggling and the heavy stone heard moving, arrested and killed. This did not happen. This leaves us with the fact that the disappearance of Jesus' body from the tomb could not have happened from an outside source coming in. It had to have happened on the inside, where only the dead Jesus lay. Hence, we can conclude he was resurrected. Giving further credence to this is that 10 of the 11 remaining (after Judas' betrayal) disciples were executed because of their Christian faith, as attested confidently by historical sources. To quote Sean McDowell of Peter: ''The early, consistent and unanimous testimony is that Peter died as a martyr;" and of the martyrdom of the disciples as a whole: "It shows the depth of the apostles’ convictions. They were not liars. They truly believed Jesus rose from the grave and they were willing to give their lives for it." They needed only to deny their faith to be saved, but did not. Would you seriously die for something that you know wasn't true? These men died fully believing in their contact with the risen Christ. Some have theorised that they merely had hallucinations, but this isn't true for 4 reasons: 1) The theory does not explain the empty tomb 2) Multiple people shared in group-visions of Jesus 3) They had group-conversations with the risen Christ 4) They touched Jesus and ate with him, which is impossible with a hallucination. The gospel of John speaks of Thomas physically touching Jesus' wounds to prove to himself he was real! Another evidence was Paul's conversion. Luke (as said, a first-rate historian) records in the Book of Acts that Paul persecuted the early church before being converted after seeing and talking with the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus. This was also confirmed by Paul in his own letters, in which he also expresses his deep remorse at persecuting God's church, saying he doesn't even consider himself worthy as an apostle after the way he persecuted early Christians (see 1 Corinthians 15:9). He hated them, then he became arguably their most influential apostle. Historians conclude that he too was martyred for his faith. This would not have happened had he not encountered the risen Jesus. In one of Paul's letters to the church in the early days of Christianity, First Corinthians (Chapter 15 for reference), he speaks of Christ's post-resurrection appearances to people (over 500 in total), even encouraging the Corinthian church, if they don't take his word for it, to speak to the people who saw the risen Jesus if they don't believe - that they may have mental assurance of his resurrection. If the resurrection was something he and the other apostles made up he would not encourage believers to speak to people who could discredit the apostle's claims. And consider this, that the someone did not just sit down and write the bible. 4 independently written narrative sources (the gospels) and even more letters from different authors such as Paul and Peter, are consistent on this fact of Jesus' resurrection - with secular sources testifying of the earliest Christians' convictions of the resurrection was as fact - to the point they died for their beliefs. If we take all of these together it becomes clear that Jesus rose from the dead, which would be impossible unless it was a miracle of God. Please consider this, and may The Lord show you the way my friend. Amen.

[@leyrua]

The celebrity stalker analogy could be a really good anti-apologetics tactic. "I am convinced that I have a relationship with Taylor Swift. She's never announced anything where anyone else could hear it, but she's just playing coy. She's been sending me subtle signals all this time." Does that not sound _creepy?_

[@MrCountrycuz]

I knew a lady who was in love with Don Johnson and she claimed that he sent her messages in the series Miami Vice.

[@Ben-no4lz]

You should see the guys who are in love with Anime and cartoon characters 😂 Literally in love with someone they KNOW isn’t real!

[@whispersmith]

​@@Ben-no4lz If anything that's more honest

[@notreallydavid]

​@@whispersmithIndeed. At least they're visible.

[@Kate-uo5zv]

That's why people get murdered. A belief.

[@fire398017]

I'm pretty sure Matt didn't "lose" his faith. He flushed it.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Tom McBriarty Indeed. Rejected, not lost. I think Dan Barker wrote on this subject.

[@LaMaestra2102]

He flushed it like the turd he is.

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

Yep. He took it so seriously he kept going deeper until he came out on the other side, to non-belief.

[@j.r.arnolli7494]

He found faith in humanity and faith in himself🤓

[@j.r.arnolli7494]

So he didn't need fairytales anymore🤓🤓

[@gabrielesimionato1210]

Start of the call: I have solid proofs Halfway: it's faith based End of the call: ...

[@NYCBG]

I'm an idiot.

[@RonLarhz]

Booms.

[@rockysandman5489]

@@NYCBG Who are you?

[@NYCBG]

@@rockysandman5489 I am Word of God incarnate.

[@rockysandman5489]

@@NYCBG ... What does that even mean?...

[@updem]

Having a personal relationship with God always sounds like a blind person claiming a personal relationship with a mime.

[@letters_from_paradise]

That's a fucking brilliant analogy

[@JohnHalladay1]

I'm using that one!

[@Kune35]

Except the blind person can physically verify the mime exists. They can play freaking patty cakes if they wanted.

[@toastcrunch9387]

@@letters_from_paradise Not really.

[@letters_from_paradise]

@@toastcrunch9387 If you say so. I like it.

[@hannahdivic28]

“I am convinced you have feelings for Jesus, but what makes you think Jesus has feelings for you?” Hahahaha savage

[@josemerinohankammer7261]

That is indeed the most savage argument against that ridiculous, typical non- denominational argument as of why everyone else is wrong -> they don't have a _relationship_ with Jesus. If Jesus was alived he would've put a restraining order on him 😂😂

[@greyeyed123]

@@josemerinohankammer7261 It may be the nature of my personality or psychology, but even as a child I thought this idea of having a "relationship" with Jesus was creepy and weird, and made no sense (emotional or otherwise). I totally believed in Santa until I was 7 or 8, but if someone said I needed a close personal relationship with Santa, I think I would have started thinking something weird was going on. I didn't know the word "perverted", but that's the icky feeling I got.

[@brucebaker810]

Maybe he just doesn't wanna come unto you.

[@hannahdivic28]

@@greyeyed123 I completely understand

[@josemerinohankammer7261]

@@brucebaker810 did you mean what I think you do? You guys are merciless.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Juan sounds like one of the “it’s not a religion, it’s a relationship” types.

[@brandonm6751]

The most dangerous kind. The voice in their own head is the universe's judge and jury

[@aprettypenny1786]

At least Juan was respectful and polite, I can see where he might change his mind someday about God and jesus

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Kibate these are all real people.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Kibate I must’ve misread.

[@hannahkissell844]

that's my parents 🙄

[@OfficialSeth]

Lol a Christian once dared me to watch The Case For Christ and that it would singlehandedly make me a Christian again. The problem for him is that I had already watched it and that it didn't convert me. So then I dared him to read the Bible from cover to cover, like an atheist had once dared me to do when I was a Christian, and he quickly ended the conversation and said that he didn't have to do anything that I wanted him to do. Imagine not wanting to read your own holy book as you try to convert people to your religion that focuses so heavily on what is written in that holy book.

[@lawsonharrison6927]

Dare them to listen all of Hitchens's debates.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

All Christian apologists are limited to a single book. The evidence for Christ OUTSIDE this collection of 66 Hebrew documents is scarce to none. When I consider the magnitude of such an event as the appearance of a world teacher called the "Messiah", the evidence should be BOTH overwhelming and UPDATED for each new generation. Unfortunately it is not.

[@AdmiralBison]

ask them if they are willing to go through the whole bible front to back together and be prepared to ask questions. It is the most important book in Christianity after all.

[@seanbirch9663]

It's another sign of how gullible, delusional and just not self aware they are. Most atheists are very cynical about the idea of getting hardcore religious people, or even moderate ones, to become more rational by suggesting that they watch certain videos or reading certain books.

[@nikolatesla5553]

I firmly believe that the fastest way to atheism is to read the bible starting with Genesis on your own. (feel fee to skip the begats) i couldn't finish Exodus let alone the entire Pentateuch before I had enough of it. My guess is 95 percent of those that call themselves Christians haven't read more than a few verses of the Old Testament.

[@eniolaolubosi487]

"Why do you believe in God?" "Because the Bible said he is Lord." "Why do you believe the Bible is true?" "Because the Bible said that it is true." "But..."

[@NA-vz9ko]

*slaps face in sarcasm*

[@mark737-c4x]

Why don't you believe in him was it because your parents didn't or is it your own opinion?

[@mark737-c4x]

Do you believe in evolution? Why because a book said it's true? Or a teacher they only teach you to parrot and regurgitate the crap they have filled your head with! Now squawk Birdy.

[@mark737-c4x]

Why do you believe evolution is true because a book tells you? Why does someone believe Ford's are the best car in the world because there dad drive's one?

[@fishcious]

@@mark737-c4x No one believes in evolution because a book tells them to...that would be stupid, almost like a religion. People believe in evolution because: 1) evidence supports the theory 2) evolution is a science and science is reliable, while gods are not 3) if you don't believe in evolution then you have to admit your god is a stupid moron (because of all the terrible design flaws) and if you believe your god is a stupid moron, then why do you worship him like a god?

[@dommidavros2211]

Jamie's face every time Matt says something slightly harsh is just hilarious! 😂😂

[@SorenPenrose]

The caller knew he could convert Matt, and Jamie knew he could ease the tension 😂

[@nickmartinez9648]

Matt saying oh my fkn God always a classic...🤣

[@1337GameDev]

This actually made me chuckle pretty hard and replay that. Priceless.

[@mindtraveller100]

Theists be like "haha, i knew it. he secretly believes." LOL

[@rickdees251]

@Spiritdove My my, how you love to project your baseless assumptions and reasoning's on others. Capitalizing the G is done out of respect to theists whom will read it, I assume this to be the case because that is why I do it. Not for any imagined belief in a God as you are assuming. I use to not capitalize the G in comments and reconsidered if I should or not and now I do for that reason. As a complete non-believer I do it from respect to those whom I conversing with and for on other reason. That is how civil people treat each other, with respect! I can assure you in my case it is NOT because I have the slighted belief that there exists a God who without fail sits back and watches defenseless children being raped, brutalized and then murdered and does nothing, when it really matters. Then only takes the time to do something after that POS rapist is dead, when it's to late. That is far too late in my mind. To equate that God as a piece of shit (imo) for not helping a child being raped at the time it is occurring would not only be an understatement but be denigrating to shit.

[@nickmartinez9648]

@Spiritdove I see you're losing your "God" thing since you typed it with the lowercase first and did it twice... 🤣 You see what kind of bs reasoning is that... Should check yourself cause you just wrecked yourself...

[@nickmartinez9648]

@@mindtraveller100 check out this shit dip in the comments that says I have a god thing cause I used a capital G for God 🤣

[@Xynth22]

"i don't want to debate." In other words, I just want to spew my rambling and vague nonsense without you questioning any of it.

[@countsd1]

There is a place for that, it's called CHURCH.

[@tanichoices554]

Unfortunately

[@sundayschoolflunkie3979]

@Stefan Urban "Good news: my god has threatened all humanity with eternal torture unless they consign themselves to eternal servitu--wait, where are you going? I hadn't finished yet!"

[@Leishtek]

That was so weird man. Like did he really just expect to come in and drop some godly argument that we haven't heard a million times before and Matt would go, "you know I never really thought of that before, you make a good point."?

[@kelleren4840]

I think he meant "I don't want to argue/get nasty."

[@Meansnare]

Not managed to convince his dad, but he thinks he can change matts mind

[@batmanson3619]

you win the internet

[@fatih.tavukcu]

And his father is? Richard Dawkins 🎺🎺🎺💥🔥💥

[@kingganondorf5024]

Ricardo Dawkins**

[@anandsuralkar2947]

@@fatih.tavukcu Lol

[@coletrickle1775]

You can change Matt's mind, all it takes is demonstrable evidence.

[@jamiegallier2106]

“There’s a guy named Lee Strobel” “OMFG!!!” 🤣

[@Jason918114]

"Love without evidence is... stalking." ~Tim Minchin

[@yanks4602]

Lmao and the nonchalant way he says is the best

[@yanks4602]

Time to Reason loved it ! Amazing thank you

[@Pikkabuu]

The term is courting. Besides it is courts job to decide if it is stalking.

[@l3xmal265]

how many people got convinced by this video...nojuan 😂

[@exilfromsanity]

L3X Mal; I'm convinced. I'm convinced Juan is a fucking idiot.

[@DJ-73]

I'm convinced Juan is spewing diarrhea from his mouth.

[@PrantikMajumder]

damn that was smooth...

[@davidwilkin1202]

😂😂😂😂 Theists are as mad as a bucket of bats!!

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Juan is the loneliest number.

[@arkdark5554]

Matt, forgive me for saying this one more time: Your overall reasoning, and eloquent explanations are so breathtakingly beautiful, and...it’s just a deep pleasure to watch and listen to you utterly rational lecturing these poor religious souls.

[@sdozer1990]

Poor Matt.

[@QuestionThingsUseLogic]

Matt has his own YT channel under his name.

[@Dennistube001]

mat didnt loose his faith, he dumped it in the bin, he didnt lose faith he gained wisdom and experience

[@wessel5799]

Yeah but maybe he could benefit from a little patience

[@meloveAi]

@@wessel5799 His patience has run on empty years and years ago, tho. It kinda happens when you spend...I'm not sure, maybe 30 something years doing this stuff?

[@wessel5799]

@@meloveAi Okay, then he should stop doing it.

[@meloveAi]

@@wessel5799 That's not for you to decide.

[@wessel5799]

@@meloveAi Is the point to snap people out of their irrational beliefs? If so, you need patience.

[@jllamb88]

Juan seems like a decent and respectful young man. I understand Matt’s frustration because he hears this same irrational argument over and over, but I prefer Jamie’s calm approach here in trying to help this guy understand the flaws in his thinking.

[@MendTheWorld]

James Lamb I appreciate your comment. _Some_ people, for _some_ reason, feel a compelling need (or perhaps desire) to have the sort of "personal relationship" that Juan describes, with an invisible entity they _believe_ exists. Juan's beliefs are based largely on the thoughts and emotions he experiences through this relationship; and while the relationship itself may be imaginary, and while his reasoning may be circular, the experience seems as real as anything else in his life; _so_ real, in fact, that he is anxious to share it with others as well. This, I feel, is Juan's story. I think he is sincere, and that he means well, yet he is unable to provide the sort of objective evidence that Matt and Jamie are asking for. The problem I see with the more militant forms of atheism, is that it gives insufficient consideration for the need that _some_ people seem to feel to have this sort of relationship with a god whose existence they are unable to prove, other than through their own personal experience. On a personal level, it seems almost cruel to try to disabuse Juan of a belief that is so personally important to him. After many years of discussing and debating these issues, Matt is aware that Juan will be unable to defend his position. Thus, to lead him down this path, as if such a possibility exists, strikes me as smacking of entrapment. There _must_ be some kinder and gentler approach for dealing with people like Juan, and I think Jamie was inclined in this direction. I have great respect for Matt, but perhaps his extensive experience in discussing and debating these issues has left him a bit jaded.

[@jllamb88]

MendTheWorld that was quite a thoughtful and reasoned response. I am inclined to agree with your points, and I harbor no ill will toward people like Juan who believe but aren’t on a mission to convert everyone else.

[@sternwheeler]

You are both correct.

[@garethbeare7319]

There is a gentler and kinder way of countering religous conviction. This is the Socratic method.

[@jhonvoyage2564]

Honestly, indoctrinated people already determined that nothing will change their mind. If someone is calling and you feel that he is thinking with his reasoning brain, then Matt is always patient with them. If you would have so many experience with so many different people, you would know who is worth the time!

[@stevenread5473]

" All I have in my life is my relationship with Jesus". Get a dog at least the dog is real. You can talk to the dog and the dog aknowledges it

[@johnmcclure40]

The dog will do more for you too.

[@matejmaric3346]

@@johnmcclure40 Except if he bites you.

[@susandavey5799]

And they also love you unconditionally 😁

[@nathanbroggi2801]

@@matejmaric3346 that is what clergy does to the little ones. with grins of perversions and mouths watering. a dog will bring a child to laughter and loyalty

[@amandacogger3075]

@Phuket Wurd I'm dyslexic but I know my dog is not God but good joke

[@atheistsfightclub6684]

Faith and the price of a cup of coffee will buy you a cup of coffee, all i really need is the coffee.

[@lauriesoper4056]

Jamie distills everything nicely. "Is there anything else you conclude that is based on zero evidence?" At least the caller was honest when he said No.

[@dorcia]

I want top help every adult here rediscover their faith of Santa. It would make the holidays better for all...

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I miss Christmas and all those presents I got from the relatives. A word of advice: Never pretend you like something or want something unless you really mean it because you will get it a present. Then you will have to pretend you are grateful.

[@OfficialSeth]

The holidays would be better if Christmas was more like Halloween. Kids focus on getting candy by going house to house on Christmas Eve and singing Christmas carols, no stupid overpriced toys, don't have to go into debt because you have to buy everyone something. Just go to the store and buy a big bag of candy and share it. Oh yeah, women dress up in slutty outfits and then you play hide the candy cane. Then on Christmas Day you have a nice feast.

[@AdmiralBison]

I'm down for that. Santa Claus encourages good behavior with meaningful, tangible presents for both kids and adults. Would do truly miraculous things like huge feast, clothes, blankets etc for all the poor people around the world. Christmas would be a truly magical holiday everyone could enjoy. 😭

[@Meansnare]

If I believe in Santa my kid has a really shitty christmas

[@fallroster5280]

Yes you may not believe in Santa but he believes in you :)

[@patricknicholson4354]

19 minutes in: Matt: What Jamie is asking is, “How many other batshit beliefs do you hold true?” Jamie: [moves cup away from Matt, clearly uncomfortable] Me: I love you guys! You’re so cute!

[@Raz.C]

"I have a personal relationship with Jeebus..." That statement always makes me laugh. A grown adult is telling you that they have a relationship with an imaginary friend and that their imaginary friend has magical powers and can grant wishes and will help you to live forever... These kinds of declarations should elicit much more laughter than they do!

[@kayomholt-montague7661]

Agreed!

[@kimsland999]

Agreed too. Although it would be funny if it weren't so horrific! Maybe his invisible 'friend' will instruct him to harm others. Really there's no difference between this guy and any scholared Christian apologetic. I hear the EXACT same stuff constantly. I have evidence OH I agree its not evidence Its a relationship/feeling/dream. Yes yes, I agree these aren't good reasons to believe in ANYTHING. And ... that's why I believe :) HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FUCKING MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? FOR FUK'S SAKE, you sound pathetic and embarrassing and your words are just shameful and ridiculous.

[@repent.sinner]

Y u have relationship with demons & there in the spirit also. That's y u reject the loving God

[@kimsland999]

@@repent.sinner Excuse me! But your God is my bitch, and your beliefs are my punching bags. I'm going to make your God kneel before me and plead for mercy for all the filth he has supposedly done. There's no need to have unfounded fears of your God any longer, I'll make sure he suffers. Your THANKS is presupposed.

[@Raz.C]

@@repent.sinner You know, if demons don't actually exist, then you're more full of shit than you know...

[@cocolossal69]

Matt was so calm and patient, and then Lee Strobel .... OMFG 😅🤣🤣😂

[@ciarangreen1004]

Did he really just ask how do you know your great grandfather existed? Seriously? 🤣🤣🤣

[@caligo7918]

I actually have one nonexistent great, great grandfather. That happens to everyone, if cousins marry ;)

[@FourDeuce01]

Yes, he asked that. Religious apologists often try to change the subject when they realize they are failing.

[@BlackEpyon]

The mere fact that MATT exists should be the first clue that his great grandfather existed

[@ciarangreen1004]

@@BlackEpyon exactly

[@dfadden62]

Ciaran Green. LOL!!!!

[@ernestmac13]

Right after saying "I have the one true religion" claims he didn't call the show to convince anyone. Glad Matt called him out on that.

[@snatchadams69]

Or that anyone else is wrong...

[@clutchvt]

I absolutely, sincerely love it when Matt loses patience with this cookie cutter faith bullshit that has happened a billion times to him and gets strait candid. Let him free the beast sometimes, I promise it’s worth it to your viewers.

[@gregjones2217]

I didn't lose my faith, it left with its head hung low, having been caught lying to me.

[@katelynnehansen8115]

I like that! Is it a quote?

[@gregjones2217]

@@katelynnehansen8115I made it up myself. Use it if you like.

[@Lonewolf---]

I once believed strongly in feelings too. Then one day I felt the lady sitting next to me on the bus. Her husband didn't like it. Now I can't even feel my nose!

[@quickman963]

that's a good one,love it

[@karlrschneider]

"faith": A piss poor substitute for thinking.

[@sheezamann2724]

its easier to have faith......i do believe a christian goes by what the hear....and not what they read....i've actually tried reading the buybull....holy schittscky.........me and high school class mate....say the same thing....WHO BELIEVES THIS SCHITTTTT

[@sandman1133]

@@sheezamann2724 comments on faith...proceeds to comment what he "believes". So much for freethinkers.

[@todbeard8118]

@David Anewman I take it you're a fan of faith.

[@todbeard8118]

@David Anewman LOL

[@kurokoro]

Even if you give evidence that is fact they wont believe it cause of faith,a blind beleive with no evidence just feelings,makes total sense *cough* I dont know if thats being stuborn or they just want to ignore truth.

[@SapienSafari]

Who calls in to tell someone they have a man crush on a Middle Eastern rabbi who died 2000 years ago? Weird.

[@xv3boy1]

Rabbi means teacher. And there is written proof you just won’t believe. Please change your mind God loves you.

[@colindickson8034]

@@xv3boy1 where?

[@SapienSafari]

xv3boy1 where’s the written proof outside of the Bible? And thanks for pretending you know me by trying to say I’m just being dishonest.

[@xv3boy1]

Nichole I never pretended to imply that you were dishonest, if I’m telling you that there’s written proof and you say that there’s not, aren’t you calling me dishonest? Also you can find through the Quran that Jesus is God the Quran is just an attempt to deny Jesus Deity but they couldn’t leave out all the clues.

[@colindickson8034]

@@xv3boy1 ah no to quran calling jesus god. Allah is god. Jesus is known as a prophet of Allah.

[@ignatiusj.reilly1197]

Matt Dillahunty is one of my heroes.

[@starlaminde8436]

Same

[@Martin-sp4zf]

By God, Matt's good!

[@Bella-vt7ol]

I wish I had the debate/communication skills Matt has…and his vast knowledge of the subject material…Matt is the BEST 👏🏻🫶🏻🥳

[@JB-zd8gv]

Without Matt I would still be a brainwashed christian

[@RobertStambaugh-l5r]

I was nearly brainwashed into believing in Darwinist evolution . Darwin has a lot of splainin to do .@@JB-zd8gv

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Matt thoroughly examined his faith and found it loaded with self cancelling contradictions which he did not agree with. My sister does the same thing with me. She approaches me with the same patronizing offer to save me before its too late and Yahweh is forced to send me to my eternal damnation. I'm not a big fan of Yahweh who loves bloody sacrifices and torture, instead of answering prayers for peace on Earth.

[@AS-er4ud]

I'm curious if both of you had the same upbringing? I would imagine if she remained brainwashed, you would too. I'm honestly starting to think that it's some kind of brain defect in certain individuals, like an underdeveloped (or damaged) frontal lobe, but I digress.

[@trishayamada807]

Adrian S I was raised in a devoutly christian home and my mother and I had our first fight over god when I was 4 and she was trying to indoctrinate me with the Noah story. She got so mad at me I was afraid. YOU DO NOT QUESTION GOD’s WAYS!!!! And here I am an atheist, still and my mother and I argued over her bible beliefs today. She’s lost to religion. I can’t believe we are related. She has this belief she will see her dad in heaven and that’s all that matters. She is refusing to follow medical advice because her pain and suffering pleases god and gets the poor souls out of purgatory. So not all kids become brainwashed. I just learned young that my mother was not based in reality. I’d ask for real advice, and all she’d say was pray to God. Such useless parenting.

[@AS-er4ud]

@@trishayamada807 I'm sorry to hear you went through that, but I'm glad you came out the other side with your brain intact. I wish you all the best.

[@trishayamada807]

Adrian S thanks much. You know I now have 3 little kids and it’s so great to show them how the world works and how amazing LIFE is and incredible nature is and no magical beliefs are needed. I have learned so much WITH them. I truly love seeing life through their eyes. And the best is we can talk about how the world works and how to go about learning and that asking questions is a good thing. It’s still a struggle with my mother, and I wish I had had a relationship where we could have discussed the things that mattered to me. She had no interest in science or history, only the Bible and EWTN. She never once went with me to a museum or planetarium. I know other kids who had it worse; I was never hit. Shamed, and told I was born a sinner.... So although I came out as an atheist, I still struggle with damage caused by religion.

[@AS-er4ud]

@@trishayamada807 As someone who had an unfortunate upbringing (not because of religion), I can relate to some of the pain you must have experienced, and likely still do to some degree. It's great to see that you have learned from your situation. Your children will be so much better off because of the lessons you're instilling onto them. My upbringing, and the world we live in, has made me so jaded that I don't even desire children. I'm not past the point of no return but it's not far away either... anyways, I digress. I hope you can replace the pain your mother has brought you with the joy of your children. It sounds like you're doing a great job so far. Take care.

[@seraphonica]

"I'm willing to believe if someone presents valid evidence" "Okay well let me tell you a story about my personal relationship with Jesus" right there, we already know Juan has no valid evidence.

[@burntgod7165]

Poor deluded sod came on probably confident he could drag Matt back to the hell of faith. Ended up being shredded.

[@jacobparry177]

Mae credinwyr unai'n rhy ofn neu'n rhy falch i dderbyn y gwir.

[@coletrickle1775]

A story as old as the atheist experience.

[@chrisghost100]

Cole Trickle he has the appropriate level of disdain for these idiots just like Hitch. Love it.

[@perrosuelto200111]

this guy Matt just knocks them out of the park every single time...

[@FinalBossWTMN]

Oh my god when you implied that he is stalking jesus, it killed me 🤣

[@MrKit9]

I made popcorn before watching this one!

[@SignOfTheTimes008]

That's the best way to do it!

[@DrCooch]

I made a sandwich and chips! Satisfying.

[@r.scottmacleod4564]

I ignited another 420! cough

[@winstonjen5360]

I'd need several shots of whiskey!

[@MrKit9]

@Time to Reason Jamie is my least favorite host. As strong as oatmeal.

[@Tbone.357]

Hooo!!! When the caller mentioned Lee Strobel..😮🤣😅 Matt crapped himself and let his true feelings fly. Love it!

[@NeverAgain.BeNiceToPeople.]

I like that you're teaching logical reasoning. One step closer to stopping religious abuse

[@shane92515]

I keep thinking the ‘Talk Heathen’ sign says ‘Tim Hortons’ lol

[@canuckereh9202]

Yup. Only a true Canadian would say that. Am I wrong?

[@enricopajaro4046]

So Canadian eh 😜

[@ROBFATHERX]

Wow. And I thought that I was the only one. Whew! 🤣

[@biekgiek]

I’m not Canadian, but I got that one. Can we roll back the logo to see if we won?

[@shane92515]

biekgiek 🤣

[@PorkNBeans-oi8kx]

Feelings....nothing more than feelings.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

And everyone has them, religious or not.

[@TheTeknowarrior]

Trying to forget my feelings of hate

[@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime]

Who sang that song?😅

[@Ziggyziggy1]

Humans need people like Matt dillahunty more than ever....

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

No we don't. If we see some random person break their leg eg on the basketball court we don't really care. If we break our leg we cry "WTF BS IS THIS FUCK THIS FUCKING BS" for MONTHS We have faith that our suffering is very important & other people don't matter. There's no evidence for this faith It's like Matt Dillahunty & Jame Boone think they have a personal relationship with Harry Potter & the Philosopher's Stone & they don't like people believing in Lord of the Rings so they start up a show to "educate" people that their faith is wrong

[@jaredlambert4286]

I’m with you UK man! These people make a living off a call in show just patronizing folks! Matt’s not so bad but this little deuche Jamie Boone just wants to ridicule people. You can tell by the smug little faces he makes! I don’t really care what he believes I just want to go down there and punch his face in for Jesus!!!!!!

[@LubaFan]

@@jaredlambert4286 They make a living from volunteering? How the fuck can I sign up for a gig like that?!

[@iamokayiswear]

@@jaredlambert4286 🙄

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

@@alwaysdisputin9930 May I call you a waaahmbulance?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

22:10 _"There's a guy, his name is Lee Strobel.."_ Me and Matt Simultaneously: _"Oh my fucking god.."_

[@lucacolombo7603]

I feel a bit sorry for the guy, I truly do. He's desperately clinging to his own personal "I am special" tale.

[@VestigialHead]

+ Luca Colombo Maybe he is right? Could he really be the Chosen Juan?

[@dirtydan2007]

@@VestigialHead i laughed way harder than i should have at this comment

[@pezfam]

I snorted at the Juan commented.

[@VestigialHead]

@@mark737-c4x Hi from Cairns Mack.

[@mark737-c4x]

@@VestigialHead Hi from Perth.

[@blackychouette]

Matt is the kind of person I like to have around me.. because true friends are supposed to tell you when you messed up, how and why you messed up. He doesn't care about your ever changing feelings, he actually cares about you.👍

[@sandman1133]

He's making a living off of this. He cares about his money.

[@sammick7781]

Santiago Renteria but he didn’t always. That came after years of earning the trust of the community, and a demand for his debating skills by those wanting to host conversations about this topic. No one is salty that their doctor gets paid for helping them. We all have to make a living, and some of us are lucky enough to do be doing something that we are good at, for money. If you take issue with his methods or ideology then say so and that can open up a dialogue. I just don’t understand using the fact that he’s doing his job as some kind of “eww look” point that you’re making ... just seems like an unnecessary cheap shot, instead of a good burn.

[@sandman1133]

@@sammick7781 go ahead and defend him. You applaud this man when he tries to give others that eww look...what a crazy world. I wonder what you'd say if he told a grieving mother at a funeral with her faith in God as her last hope that all her hopes are for nothing. Yeah you'd applaud and point and laugh then too huh? This man is a charlatan who lives off of blind sheep when he doesn't claim he can know anything. Blind leading the blind.

[@sammick7781]

Santiago Renteria I’m sorry that your past experiences have lead you to believe that athiest=callous. As an American, I believe that we have the right to believe what ever we want as a fundamental human right, as such, I would never chose a funeral to have a conversation about faith with someone whom I know would be hurt by the mere conversation ... especially not from a “HA HA THERES NO HEAVEN” standpoint. Nor do I honestly believe that anyone I know would ever chose to have conversations such as these at functions that mean such a great deal to those involved and their families. Though, I had to personally watch a religious funeral forced against the wishes of the deceased atheist friend of mine in highschool and that gave me my current perspective on why NO ONE, religious or not, should ever betray such an important ceremonial wish by the deceased. For the same reason that just because I’m an atheist, doesn’t mean that I won’t obey my parents wishes to have religious burials. I must address the accusations you’ve posed however. Because for as much “one-up-ism” that Matt partakes in with often willing, if not combative callers, I have seen countless interactions by Matt and his cohosts doing the opposite of that. For one thing, he has made specific comments about respecting others even though we may disagree on these issues, as well as mentioning the power of kindness and civility during discourse. I would suggest that you watch more than just the fan geared compilation videos of “atheist crushes theist”, as I admit that the titles are more of a mental fellatiatian, and clickbait, for viewers and not an example of the breadth of topics covered on the atheist experience. Perhaps then you will see what I mean. Because mudslinging gets neither us, nor the discussion, anywhere.

[@sandman1133]

@@sammick7781 I've seen enough and now I've said enough.

[@Diviance]

Faith, the most worthless of things.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Faith = I don't know.

[@Diviance]

@@JamesRichardWiley It isn't just that, it is also "I don't care about the truth."

[@nikolatesla5553]

@@JamesRichardWiley No. "I don't know" is honest. Faith is "I'm going to believe something despite the evidence." Faith is cognitive dissonance.

[@doedecaheedron]

@@JamesRichardWiley I don't know, So God

[@ericmishima]

I don't know so therefore god ... or else!

[@FancastFanatic]

As a former christian, I can 100% say I was in this guys shoes. To be fair, I always questioned the imperfect morality in the bible but in high school I really became disillusioned. At a certain point, I realized there’s really no justification for believing one religion over another when both are equally unprovable. In fact, many scientific claims in holy books have been disproven with time. It was obviously far more likely that these were guidebooks to happier lives (for some) but ultimately works of fiction. I can learn moral lessons from watching Star Wars that are “true” but ultimately come from fiction. The biggest challenge to leaving religion was overcoming my fear of punishment/hell and reconciling with the fact that I (and my brother) were the most logical people in my family but could never really be accepted if we were openly atheist.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

This sounds exactly like my story. I'm sorry you're dealing with family who don't get it. Great you have your brother, as I have mine. Our dad has dropped it and mom is starting to come around. Good luck. ❤

[@kiwiberry411]

"non-denominational"...oh yes, that denomination.

[@sundayschoolflunkie3979]

That's generally for the ones who are a bit too unhinged for most major denominations.

[@chronicler2313]

@Comrade Sky It means you never connected with God at all. Its almost as if you're admitting you're going to hell.

[@chronicler2313]

@Comrade Sky You were never born-again. Scripture says no Holy Ghost-no salvation.

[@onyxtay7246]

I generally translate that as, "baptist with some tweaks".

[@cy-one]

@Comrade Sky It's just a troll using the "you never were a _true_ Christian" copout-card :D

[@worldpeace1822]

This dynamic was hilarious 😂 as Matt got more and more pissed and bored at the same time Jamie tried to somehow create a backdoor to not offend the guy into oblivion that would make him stop thinking about his believe....

[@MobyDicksWife]

Matt is obviously under stress right now. The caller was an innocent who could have been led rather than yelled at.

[@worldpeace1822]

Great White you can call it whimp... but if getting angry about stupidity doesn’t help than I rather prefer Jamie’s way of trying to create a bridge even if it does not help either in the end.

[@Whatsisface4]

@@MobyDicksWife I've wondered this. I think the RR "kerfuffle" could have left fallout.

[@alexrose8299]

MobyDicksWife I agree

[@hannajung7512]

@@MobyDicksWife yeah, I noticed that, too. During both Streams on that day he was very impatient. I hope he takes care of himself.

[@jesse_cole]

Lol, look at poor Jamie trying to host his own show with Matt there.

[@kathyheitchue6069]

At times Matt can be overbearing.....yes

[@johnnyjohnson2826]

On one hand, it wouldve been nice to see jaime take the reins more, but on the other hand... I will never get tired of matt just going off on these people

[@miotch8225]

@@johnnyjohnson2826 same here. At times I think "uh matt, just let x host talk". Then when they're talking and not drilling the point as direct as matt would im thinking "matt, step in here please"

[@johnjamele]

Talk Heathen is the Atheist Experience Amateur Hour.

[@johnboehmer6683]

Right, he could at least open his eyes once in a while...

[@ianstrange5674]

"I have no problem accepting that you have feelings for Jesus." Lol

[@hank_says_things]

Not to be ageist, but a 23 year old presuming to evangelise a person who's been atheist longer than he's been alive is quite a flex

[@kaitownsend8282]

Yeah, no. It's giving Ted Haggard's interaction with Richard Dawkins.

[@andrewwilson45]

Hahaha. Matt's so pissed by the end.

[@yanks4602]

He was done at that point ...

[@coletrickle1775]

Pissed off Matt is the best

[@kw8757]

22:43, Matt never disappoints, just when I thought this call was getting boring AF. Brilliant.

[@dommidavros2211]

I love the part where he mentions Lee Strobel!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@johndonahue8293]

Absolutely brutal. Once again Matt demonstrates his awesomeness

[@anthonysmith8800]

so young and so lost. Let's hope Juan finds a way out

[@AngryBoozer]

Anthony Smith Juan can only hope...

[@jaygill5582]

Juan never knows.

[@lewisner]

Juan day at a time sweet jesus.

[@josephjustice4553]

🤣 Yep, find a way out of how he copes with life and then he dies and according to your view ceases. Maybe stop caring what others think in order to cope with life?

[@candicemoore4855]

Let hope he keep following Jesus Christ

[@MrAsilvestre858]

I love it... I find this seriously entertaining and educational

[@numberLuan]

Stalking!! That was awesome. A new way to describe believers!! Stalkers!!!

[@AngryBoozer]

Frankly, I still don’t quite understand the difference between “faith” and “gullibility”.

[@julieneve2791]

It really is the same thing

[@johnlopperman2161]

Sed Easy. They're spelled differently, AND!!!...of different lengths.

[@johnlopperman2161]

@Nuggets Yes, it's the fear of violence and everlasting burning torture their ever loving god-thing bible promises.

[@ispartacus1337]

@Nuggets I'm gonna play devils advocate for a minute. Christians argue that they DONT have a fear of death because they KNOW they're going to heaven.

[@seand.g423]

There really isn't one left.

[@MatthijsKoningstein]

The Lee Strobel part was hilarious!

[@jllamb88]

thyztwizta “oh my fucking God” 😂

[@christwombley1491]

Jamie: I appreciate your patience with and compassion for your callers-you are a teacher. Your approach is an antidote to the times. Thanks!

[@merikijiya13]

Chris Twombley I agree! Others seem not so happy with Jamie’s approach for some reason.

[@scottlouissmith2382]

You can never, ever try to get a over religious person to have a normal conversation with you.... love you guys!

[@nikolatesla5553]

I just love the argument "I have a relationship with Jesus". You have a relationship with a character in a book? Do people understand just how stupid they sound when they make comments like that? What is it about religion that makes people forget they have a brain? Seth Andrews has a great video about how Christianity made him talk like an idiot. Surely, these people must understand that what they are really talking about is thoughts in their own mind that they are labeling "as a relationship". I sometimes pretend "I have a relationship with Jessica Chastain" but I know that isn't true. If I ever get so far as believing it, my friends would tell me to seek help.

[@LoresGate]

Nikola Tesla ha I just saw that video

[@martingrundy5475]

Yes. Though of course they will say it is a special kind of relationship. It is basically just another misuse and dishonest term co opted and used to camouflage a bullshit claim. As has been done with many terms, such as faith, truth, knowledge, etc. Along with purely invented from whole cloth words, for a purpose such as sin, and blasphemy. They get them used to saying using and accepting these words until they simply become everyday and they feel they actually point to something real. Most have rarely if ever thought about it, or considered it rationally. It has become thier reality. But seriously who in everyday normal life would speak about having a relationship that only ever went one way, that you were utterly ignored and got no response and you had no evidence or confirmation the other party even existed. Who would actually think about or speak about this as a relationship. A relationship is two parties, at least in some rudimentary form of two way communication. Even if it was only some slight vague facial or eye movement. Who would say they still were having a relationship with someone in a coma? Not until the person comes out of the coma could any relationship commence. An actual relationship needs at least a tiny modicum of reciprocity in some way shape or form. Feeling something or appealing to faith simply doesn't, or shouldn't cut it.

[@MrKit9]

@@martingrundy5475 I had a personal relationship with my Yellow Lab. At least it was real.

[@nikolatesla5553]

@@LoresGate i think that video is hilarious. And Seth does such a great job of talking like a preacher. You can tell he was one.

[@mackereltabbie]

The thing is... when I read a good book (fiction) I always feel as if the characters are real, as if I could "talk" to them. They're in my head. I have feelings for them, and my feelings are as real as the feelings I have for people I have met. That's how our brains work; maybe I tend to get more immersed in novels than some/most other people, I don't know (do other people cry over suicidal AIs?), but still: the fact that a "person" feels real doesn't mean that it is.

[@pansepot1490]

So this guy can not convince his own father and now he’s trying to convince Matt. 😂 I wonder why they didn’t tell him that FACTS DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.

[@AlexWh1]

Some of your best work Matt, don't ever stop plz

[@lisahenry20]

5:42 from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, chapter The journey from platform nine and three-quarters (page 103 in my copy): 'Hey, Mum, guess what? Guess who we just met on the train?' [...] 'Harry Potter' Therefore the Fred and George claim to have seen Harry. And the book is a correct telling of history because it also mentions King's Cross station and that it's in London, which is true.

[@josemerinohankammer7261]

I wonder how many turist walk around in circles looking to catch ppl (or rather wizards) running their carts in between platforms 9 and 10 😂😂

[@lostkeysnurse]

"Congratulations, you just hung up on yourself." Omg, I'm dead😂🤣. And I'm subscribed! This was great, thank you! I look forward to more rational content from you both!

[@Keansimmons]

2:35 A relationship with Jesus?! What a joke dude! You now have more of a relationship with Matt and Jamie in your short conversation with them than you ever had or ever will have with a character in a myth.

[@coraj.cardoso5929]

Kean Simmons 👍

[@jaygill5582]

Looks to me like he is gay for God!

[@mikekennedy5470]

Im going to convince you of god ...as long as you dont talk , dont question , dont debate , hey are you convinced yet .? The bible tells me so.....poor little boy in an intelligent mans world..

[@michaelgolliver4194]

Mike Kennedy This Matt guy could not answer his questions. What brought him to faith and what turned him away? That’s really why the caller called him. He did not want to answer the questions ,so he went back to insults and asking the caller to prove it. I think it would be easier for Matt to answer what he knows about himself and he prides himself than proving God exists. atheist sound kind broken records. Programmed

[@KalemStLouis]

Michael Golliver yikes... imagine commenting that

[@coletrickle1775]

@@michaelgolliver4194 Lol. You're arguing against someone needing to prove their claims. You're a fucking idiot.

[@michaelgolliver4194]

Cole Trickle you will see who is right and who is wrong in the end. Which could be today,tomorrow, but very soon according to prophecy. You need to come to know Jesus as savior before it’s to late for you .

[@coletrickle1775]

@@michaelgolliver4194 """"you will see who is right and who is wrong in the end"""" You mean when I die your imaginary sky dictator is going to torture me for infinity? Is that what you are talking about? Cool threat, moron, but the moment you can demonstrate your fantasy infinite torture chamber actually exists, you let me know, and I'll believe your claim, until then, you can keep yout hollow, baseless, immoral threats to yourself, you piece of garbage. """"very soon according to prophecy""""" oh your god, you're adorable. I am a prophet, and I have seen a vision that the world won't end for another 15,000 years. I also have 100 prophesies that have already come true, so I check out. """You need to come to know Jesus"""" 100% wrong, you need to learn about evidence, fallacies, cognitive bias ect. The list of things you don't know is longer than the amount of time you threaten to torture me. And for the record, I'd bet I know a lot more about the fictional storybook character "Jesus" than you do. I've actually done research, you've let people tell you what you think about it. Embarassing for you. I have to say that, because I bet you can't recognize when you should be embarassed. """"it’s to late for you"""" So, do you not know the difference between to, and too? Am I supposed to believe what you say when you can't and won't provide any evidence for your claims, AND you don't even know the difference between to and too??? Yikes. If I was as dumb as you I would be a lot less public about it. Seems to me like it is a lot more likely you're just another moron who likes to claim things you have no way of demonstrating to actually be true. There is no shortage of idiots like you cannot grasp the difference between claimed and real.

[@brianrichards3119]

I've seen dozens of brilliant dismantling of Christianity, and this is one of the best.

[@eberkovich]

You just hung up on yourself!

[@kaitownsend8282]

was looking for this comment

[@jtstar10]

People,..just be glad you're not on the same team as Juan. Cheers!!

[@DarbDash]

I saw the title and I knew I was in for an entertaining ride!

[@kartashuvit4971]

"how do you believe that your great great great grandfather was real?" Uh. Because I'm alive? What kind of stupid question is that.

[@josemerinohankammer7261]

@Kartashuvit exactly what crossed my mind when I heard that!

[@miconis123]

It's possible that the man listed as my great grandfather is not the one who got my great grandmother pregnant or married to her. Maybe they were chosen for any number of reasons. It doesn't matter either way.

[@greyeyed123]

What if your great great great great grandfather had sex with his daughter (your great great great grandmother), to conceive your great great grandfather (who fathered your great grandfather, who fathered your grandfather, who fathered your father, who fathered you). Then you wouldn't have a great great great grandfather (or at least one less than the 16 you would normally have on both your mother's and father's sides), unless you counted your great great great great grandfather as both. Which is conceivable. (See what I did there? I wonder if that word means what I think it means.)

[@thomash.schwed3662]

​@@miconis123Granted. But that doesn't change the fact that each of us has four great-grandfathers.

[@Headsign]

We know exactly how every single one of these claims of "I have solid proofs" end. 1. attempt: it's in the book 2. attempt: I can feel it 3. attempt: uh... what? I... uh...

[@johnboehmer6683]

My "solid proof" is my own personal experience with God. That is, it's solid proof to me, because I experienced it(many, many times over). I acknowledge it may not be for you or anyone else. But that's why it's contingent upon every single person to find out for themselves, considering the at least potential massive consequences involved. Considering how easy it is to do so. And that's exactly the way God designed it. Plenty of evidence, but the proof comes on the other side of the willingness, the desire to take that step of faith. Tell me how you would respond to this... unsure of whether or not God is real, because you're so empty in life and suspect at least the possibility he is, you reach out to him in sincerity to receive him into your life as Lord. What happens next is the alcoholism that you struggled with your entire adult life is just gone. Yesterday you needed it, now you don't even want it. You go to drink anyway because you're just in the habit of drinking at a certain time, and it's just unappealing to you to the point you stop. Also, inexplicably, the depression you've had that fed the alcoholism is just gone also. You came into this decision to receive Jesus with absolutely no expectations or hope for anything to be done on your behalf, you just didn't want to go to hell. You can't even imagine how or why this thing has happened, but the coincidence of having just given your life to Jesus is just too great... What would you think?

[@Headsign]

@@johnboehmer6683 You have no such experience. Only the fantasy of one. Stop the fairy tales, pls., and also learn to make shorter comments. This is not Medium. I stopped drinking without "God". What you need is trust in your own strength. This is something religions take from you, while making you believe you need "God". There's no God. Just us, everything else and eternity.

[@johnboehmer6683]

@@Headsign "You have no such experience, only the FANTASY of one"?? Wow. That is hands-down the weakest, most denial-laden response I've heard yet. Very telling. My "fantasy" still has me living depression and alcohol-free 20 years later, quite a fantasy... Of course people can stop drinking without God, and congratulations to you sir for doing so. But I guarantee your quitting was not supernatural. You had to battle through withdrawals, urges, and had to exercise willpower to do so. Undoubtedly you at least occasionally still do. This is the nature of addiction, and I had to do NONE of it. Totally. Immediately. Permanently. Gone. Any physician will tell you this does not happen naturally. Immediately upon receiving Jesus. I was not a part of a religion when this happened. I do apologize for the length, but this is your soul on the line, hopefully you can manage to read a few paragraphs if it helps in any way to change your eternal destination... at least you were able to acknowledge there is an eternity to consider in your response. So this was just the first of well over 100 miracles God has done for me or others that I've experienced personally, and you weren't able to account for it with a natural, or any explanation. That's evidence, buddy. All I ask is for you to please, just give Jesus an opportunity to make himself real to you also. He will. Are you aware of that God makes provision in his word for skeptics to test him, to see for yourself that not only does he exist, but he is good? All the best to you Mat, stay safe.

[@Headsign]

@@johnboehmer6683 That's no evidence at all and I have little trouble fighting cravings and throwbacks with my addiction with pure will power, but: whatever gets you through the night. Only thing that upsets me is the very liberal and, in the end, false use of words like "evidence" and "proof", because-whatever you bring up in terms of wind in yours sails, which you attribute to a deity, that's still purely interpretative. You could just as well feel that Jupiter helped you overcome your hardest times. That's a fact that defies verification.

[@johnboehmer6683]

@@Headsign hey Matt, I thank you for your honesty in acknowledging the real nature of addiction, and what it takes to overcome it naturally. You very effectively contrasted your experience from mine in doing so, the natural from the supernatural. Yet amazingly try to say still this is not evidence. You say that my claim is interpretive, in essence that I could attribute this as easily to Jupiter as Jesus. How can you possibly believe that when I just told you that this supernatural end to my alcoholism was directly and immediately upon receiving Jesus as Lord? Let me ask you sir, if God were to give you proof of his existence on your terms, would you receive is gift of salvation, accept him as Lord? I can't help but notice you ignored what I told you about his direct challenge to every skeptic to see that he is...

[@flipwright1138]

It's easy finding Faith. Finding Truth is another matter.

[@RobertStambaugh-l5r]

Jesus is the truth .

[@klumaverik]

I just tweeted matt about how when my dad asked me about jesus I told him that he should know I dont believe in that stuff. So he then tells me to watch a case for christ. After watching it I'm going to try and get my dad to call into the show and get yelled at by matt. Lol

[@gilbertdaroy6080]

Good job, Jamie, for being calm and patient.

[@supertouring22]

"How may other batshit crazy beliefs do you have?" Matt cuts through the crap again.

[@jyidorne8042]

I say this jokingly, but I believe Matt just became my spirit animal.

[@dolnick7]

This reminds me of conversations I've had with my girlfriend's religiously deluded adult son. He's convinced that everything going on in his head represents some sort of objective reality, then gets angry with me when I refuse to grant his fumbling slavery-loving Biblical god the respect he felt it was due. Sad and frustrating.

[@erey619z]

He’s for sure a nice guy, he’s respectful and stays calm most of the time! I really liked this person

[@adriancrow1143]

I love Matt. His approach is great.

[@superwaytoomuch5244]

Actually a really nice polite open sounding christain. I hope he continues questioning.

[@mindymild]

ACA: I want a rational reason Juan: I don’t have a rational reason but the conversation is not over

[@vashnanerada8757]

Oh bless he is so young They got to him at 16..poor lad I actually liked him...

[@RobertStambaugh-l5r]

The Darwinists almost got me at 10 years old . Then Jesus saved me and set me free from the indoctrination of the ridiculous belief of Darwinist evolution . Amen .