Your Atheist Evidence Is Bad, My Christian Evidence Is Good! | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@kaiza6467]

So basically “the probability of magic being real is very high, because I’m starting with the presupposition that wizards exist.”

[@einienj3281]

Image that.. 😂😂

[@okumabear]

But you don't understand, there's a wizard in my D&D game! Therefore, wizards are real!

[@TheSnoeedog]

c'mon ...there's no need to be condescending and disrespectful. Show -Rumplestiltskin- -the Leprechaun- -the genie- -SkyDaddy(TM)- -Gord- god the respect its due. I mean, goddam-- uhh... Jesus fucking christ, there's no need to blaspheme! (EDIT) - obviously the Leprechaun refers to a 90's movie villain and not the embarrassing cartoon (literally) that has to have his lucky charms...I mean, I'm not trying to be an asshole with the parallels. The patriarch of the desert dogmas isn't a cartoon. It's akin to the villain in a shitty, straight-to-VHS horror film three-quel from the early 90's. Respectfully...

[@MaeljinRajah]

All hail Lord gandalf the one true savior!

[@timsanford5310]

This caller is so dismissive and condensending that if you told him he's being condensending he would say, in a smug and condensending way, that no he isn't being condensending.

[@porkyboy4226]

Can he not understand that someone writing a sequel has already read the first ffs!

[@BlueBarrier782]

We know Gospel writers used the Septuagint. This is not controversial in the slightest for biblical scholars.

[@LogicalKip]

That could make a very interesting sequel if they haven't read the first. You'd have to write stuff like "And then he solved his 'previous predicaments' thanks to aliens coming to help..."

[@MercenarySed]

Well we have star wars. The writers hadn't even seen any of the previous movies apparently

[@kasocool2812]

​​@@LogicalKipthat's basically why the halo TV show was so bad. the writers didn't play the games so that it wouldn't "impact their creative vision"

[@dirtypickle77]

Also there are other gospels out there. They only cannonized the ones that were somewhat compatible. Then, in the 1800s, they got rid of another 27 apocrypha books, I think.

[@MooseMaunu]

I love these apologists who try to philosophize a supernatural entity into existence. It's childish.

[@scottdavis3571]

It's just mental gymnastics.

[@kevinkoch-jj1uj]

​@@scottdavis3571 I was thinking more like mental master-bation.

[@mnguardianfan7128]

It is the result of indoctrination. Even very intelligent people are susceptible to this.

[@duncanbryson1167]

Fairly recently way of thinking. All that ALL religions have are words, words that you can't go behind for validation. It's infantile to try to argue a god etc into existence. It's like an adult arguing a case for Santa Claus because they used to get presents on Christmas morning.

[@wynlewis5357]

He states that there is STRONG evidence and proof for Christ's resurrection but every time he is asked to give that evidence, he fails to give any at all and simply dances around the question. Sad.🤥

[@MikeTMike]

He's trained to say that.

[@nandogarza8807]

He has no choice. For any credible evidence, he's holding an EMPTY SACK.

[@einienj3281]

Jonathan is reading from a paper. He is not looking to talk about this, he is preaching.

[@Wiggimus]

I think their script needs a rewrite lol

[@einienj3281]

@@Wiggimus Definitely 😁 Jonathan forgot that he is talking with actual humans with opposing views.. conversations do not go according to scripts..but preaching does..

[@canbest7668]

The caller was Dr. Jonathan McLatchie from the Discovery Institute that promotes intelligent design to legitimize christianity. He confirmed this in an email. While he did admit he called in, he didn't identify himself regarding his credentials or affiliations during the call.

[@MikeTMike]

He's ashamed 😂

[@user-u9g8m]

@@MikeTMike He should be ashamed.

[@Furry-iousNews]

Cowardice. No wonder he was so disingenuious

[@MikeTMike]

@@Furry-iousNews Cowardice is a Christian trait

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

So just a standard apologist scumbag. Got it.

[@scamchan]

Imagine an Eternal GOD still depending on a book than just showing up.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

The gods are always bound by the technology available to the people who invent them, hence the strong reliance on personal runner boys playing a Cosmic Telephone Game while modern humans have cell phones and email

[@kaiza6467]

⁠@@JESUS--NEVER--tAPPEDlmao people have been claiming that their god will appear “SOON” for thousands of years. And so have their descendants centuries after their deaths. 😂 You’re no different.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@JESUS-NEVER-GAPPED I agree, you have to imagine. Think about that for a bit

[@danielkeizer4174]

​@@BaronVonQuiplyha, you implied they can actually think...😂😂😂

[@danielkeizer4174]

​@@JESUS--NEVER--tAPPEDsure bud, every decade we hear that one....for those 2000 years... god's very busy with some other stuff apparently... omnipotence and omnipresence be damned.

[@67cudaksa34]

caller, do you know what a circular argument is?

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

Considering his brain is a perfect sphere, probably not.

[@XEndlessSteelX]

The "The bible is correct because it says it's correct" reasoning is so depressing to hear. Where has education failed people that badly?!

[@Mosz]

wow you can hear the prepared flowchart, he doesn't want a discussion, just to get to the next part of his flowchart

[@einienj3281]

Exactly. You can hear him reading from a paper.. he just forgot, that talking with other people, especially with someone who doesn't believe what you are saying, can make your preplanned preaching points obsolete..

[@thomasreynolds3805]

"The nails, at least?"😂😂😂😂😂😂 Made my day with that one.

[@reefhog]

“The fact that jesus resurrected…” It’s not a fact, and it’s rational to believe it never happened.

[@mistylover7398]

Y get hit with ✝️ treatment when really come back and don't die from it just guz 2 sexy naked people especially eve baby lacked knowledge and didn't know. Not really sacrifice az a reaction if you wake up from 🪦?? Y can't wee wee come back az well?? We just dye for good. Wha creator hates future generations for wha 2 npcs with no knowledge did. Seems like ultimate victim blaming.

[@ploydp]

One of the reasons I don't ascribe to any religion is the understanding that Eternal Peace would have to come at the cost of accepting that Eternal Damnation also exists under the eye of a supposedly All Powerful Entity who choses not to rectify the inequities of the World.

[@RossJames-i6s]

Evidence is always the achilies heal of relgion.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

My knowledge of Greek mythology is my Achilles elbow.

[@Midnight.Wisdom.]

​@@petyrkowalski9887 Is that why it feels like the universe is collapsing in on itself when I smack my elbow against something?

[@johnboettcher1962]

“Good faith error” cracked me up

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

Caller says yes miracles are so unlikely, that Jesus’ ability to perform them, is proof of his divinity! And he goes “round and round and round in the circle game.”

[@einienj3281]

@@LOwens-xf8yo There is so much assuming in one short sentence. 1. Miracles 2. Jebus 3. Divinity

[@merlin72001]

So Mclatchie did what he always does when called out on his bs, run away. Did the same thing in Dillahunty's debate with him.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

14:06 He's not even the first guy to come back to life in the book, he's not even the first guy to come back to life in the new testament How do you not know this, Jonathan??

[@minimobilereview6570]

Was Lazarus wasn't it?

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

​@@minimobilereview6570 I believe there's another. A son of something.

[@kasocool2812]

I think they argue semantics that Lazarus was "called back to life" not resurrected and that it's not the same

[@kasocool2812]

​@@benjaminmadrigalperez9010daughter of Jairus?

[@barriewilliams4526]

I believed in Santa Claus, but only to the age of 7.....

[@terrencelockett4072]

The bible probably being true, makes the bible true is technically his argument.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Absolutely zero evidence of any kind presented, AGAIN, sufficient to substantiate any claims/assertions of the superhuman powers, magic deeds, or even existence, of their favorite imaginary demi-god character "Jesus the Christ of Nazareth"🤣🤣

[@mistylover7398]

Probably more evidence and real bout da Disney demigod with hook then gawd.

[@burningmisery]

Jonathan McLatchie got his ass whupped! 😂😂

[@lnsflare1]

Most of the Hebrews don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead, or that doing so would be in any way the culmination of "the Hebrew Bible" since that wasn't what their Messiah was supposed to do.

[@lnsflare1]

@@sammur1977 In what way is Isaiah 55 a prophecy at all, much less a reference to Jesus?

[@chucksav4441]

I have evidence of jebsus! Bible! I won!

[@chucksav4441]

​@sammur1977 I've noticed that every time I tried to read that passage, a rabbi will pop up from nowhere & cover the passage with his thumb. While looking down at me disapprovingly.

[@symbiotesam3562]

@@chucksav4441circular logic 101

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

​@@sammur1977exactly what do You believe it says about Jesus????

[@absolutearcher3137]

I continue to be amazed at how these people keep seeing what is, for all intents and purposes, a "Chekhov's gun" being fired and still call it "fulfilled prophesy".

[@dobrien51]

As Hitchens said, resurrection was kind of banal in 1st Century Palestine. Lazarus was resurrected and never said anything. Jairus’ daughter was raised and never spoke a word. And all the ‘saints’ came out of their graves at the crucifixion and wandered around Jerusalem. Were they all divine?

[@Mosz]

back then resurrection just meant you came back after a night of drinking Judas' fig based moonshine

[@kasocool2812]

Couldn't decide if I wanted to reference monty python with "I got better" Or hitchhiker's with "He's spending a year dead for tax reasons."

[@andreasplosky8516]

Excellent conversation. This is what I like to listen to.

[@seanj8878]

Believers will say anything to try and make the fairy tale true......so pathetic....!!

[@mistylover7398]

It's been a long painful war with da religious decepticons believers lol.

[@joshboydtheactor]

If I’m not mistaken, this caller is Jonathan McClatchey (sp?) Best known for rage quitting a debate with Matt D.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

lord of the rings is not evidence for sauron. it is just a tale with claims just like your tribal bible.

[@MichaelBath-xv5bd]

Jesus supposed to have died on the Friday afternoon.. So the story goes, he popped up again Sunday morning Thats not 3 days..it's about 36 -38 hours..

[@mistylover7398]

What's up with da 3 days even?? 3??

[@Flockmeister]

That was Jonathan McClatchie. He works for the Discovery Institute.

[@tedybomber1713]

I though how he was talking felt way way way too rehearsed like he’s paid to say nonsense like that.

[@rockpadstudios]

so his income depends on his belief.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Thank you for pointing out that this was a paid, professional, apologist who does this all day, every day, for a living It goes without saying that the rest of us have no way of telling this person apart from a random amateur flailing with fallacious arguments, which should be a giant red flag for the religious believers

[@kyleepratt]

It's a DI guy? God these people are so embarrassing. I could do a better job than this 🙄

[@DJ-ov2it]

@@BaronVonQuiply Naaah, this dude was not comparable to most average callers into these shows.

[@scamchan]

So we not going to talk about Jesus fearing of being killed? When that was his whole goal on Earth.

[@victorhoisington5603]

'None so blind a those who will not see '! Dave is one such person.

[@clemstevenson]

It is impossible to reason with the religious. As I was never pressured into accepting claims that couldn't be demonstrated to be factual, I have no problem rejecting the absurd claims in the bible. These religious people can't cope with the possibility of being wrong, and will stoop to presenting biblical claims as evidence. They will use fallacies, such as demanding that "nothing comes from nothing, therefore god", as well as "life can't come from non-life, therefore god".

[@kyleepratt]

"In cases where weapons are present". My guy, Jesus was executed by an occupying military force! Weapons were all over the goddamned place!

[@cmack17]

If a magical wizard exists, then the wizard can perform magic. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@discontinuedmodel232]

IMHO The best "dodge" of all was when Jonathan gave us "no Christians claim that Jesus was NATURALLY raised from the dead". 🤤 And - true to apologetic form - Jonathan TOTALLY ignored the earthquake/zombie apocalypse of saints popping out of their graves that occurred the moment Jesus was crucified but was only mentioned ONE TIME!!! 🤨in the entire New Testament in (Matthew 27 verses 51-53). That zombie apocalypse is KRYPTONITE to every apologetic because none of them can offer a reasonable explanation/reconciliation of that event.

[@johnsperry9494]

If I was a fiction writer, I could write a novel that ended with unresolved issues and even predictions, and that would be a kind of a cliff-hanger. Then suppose I wrote a sequel novel in which all those predictions I made up somehow get resolved. That’s exactly how I view the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. One man-made book with “prophesies” and a follow-up man-made book with resolutions of those prophesies. Two man-made books of pure fiction.

[@jessezeck9818]

Yeah, and book 2 of the sword of truth series has amazing consistency with book 1 and 3 of the series. Even book 15!! It's a miracle

[@MichaelBath-xv5bd]

Well done both of you ❤

[@tryintoreason9738]

Jonathan is asked a direct question. Stalls while he tries to find a rebuttal in his script. Reads something that doesn't answer the question. V calls him on it whip-quick every time. What I do wish is that someone would ask why he -- or any other apologist -- needs a script if they actually know what they're talking about.

[@TorianTammas]

I find it amazing that people talk about 27 stories in greek that were fabricated 2000 years ago. I wonder if in the year 4000 have the religion of Spiderman based on the comics.

[@CeezGeez]

i’m scared that future generations the majority will believe SCPs are real.

[@modernenglishman7802]

I would back a religion based on the Marvel comics. Wolverine and the Punisher would be my favorite prophets.

[@the-outsider8458]

Whoops, lol When you threw the book I reacted without thinking "f*ck yeah!" Which immediate drew quizzical looks and raised eyebrows from everyone around me, lol I think I respond and react way too much to your content.

[@davidsmith7653]

Jonathan Mclatchie, the world's first surviving brain donor.

[@ayarzeev8237]

I was wondering if this is who that was

[@sypherthe297th2]

Now that you mention it it does sound like him. He's the only person who uses that undesigned coincidences nonsense. I thought it odd someone brought that up. . . should have noticed the name. 😆

[@mikelaw8682]

The good old bible proves the bible ! Off to Hogworts.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Why does it have to be extra-Biblical evidence? Wow. It's SO telling that Christians can even ask this question. Hand them a copy of The Iliad or The Odyssey. So would they be OK with using the books themselves as evidence that Cyclops exist? Yikes. It is so frustrating to have these illogical, emotional, self-centered people in charge of my society.

[@brucewilliams4152]

Jonathan of Boston, we have no contemporary historical records or evidence of Jesus from the reign of Augustus or Tiberius Caesar. Not one. You are asserting claim from the gospels which are written from anonymous authors, from an oral story telling myth cycle of a jesus.and these were written between 45 and hundred years after the events. Can you see why I wouldn't be convinced of gospel.claim

[@JohnFnLopez]

The Bible IS the claim. Why are we looking for corroboration in the Bible?

[@Furry-iousNews]

34:35 "I need to let you go because youre not giving any specifics to back up your claims". That might be the absolute funniest and ironic thing a theist has ever said 😂😂😂😂

[@canbest7668]

@@Furry-iousNews agreed!

[@politicalcinnamon8839]

Y’all have great patience with these people!

[@aidenmartin6674]

I just watched a video where a Mormon told the story where he killed a gnat that was bothering him then he prayed to God and God brought the gnat back to life. They should put this in the Bible as proof that God still works miracles

[@XEndlessSteelX]

Ah yes, God's most impressive miracle: The dazed gnat

[@minimobilereview6570]

​@@XEndlessSteelX😂😂😂😂 love this

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@XEndlessSteelX The "dazed gnat" sounds like a new drink! 🥴

[@walterdaems57]

If god existed, there would be no need to prove his existence

[@mistylover7398]

Exactly. Life az existence wouldn't be a ultimate gamble war of being real. It wouldn't need to be a random belief where we haz 2 die just to find out if it's real. You think if magical afterlife fantasy waz real in reality and da supernatural could be reacted with reality would be like movie 👻🚫s.

[@kellyprice8917]

Jesus said we are supposed to be able to do everything he did, and surpass his works, because he goes to the Father, and we receive the Spirit.

[@IndridCool54]

I’ll bet Jonathan is a riot at parties! 🤦🏽😂

[@karlrschneider]

If the party is actually a wake.........

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

I live in a world of mental and emotional children.

[@Mouth-of-Spaghetti]

This caller whole argument was "Mah book says a thing"

[@christinepage181]

The bible was a book written by vast amounts of men, and has been translated and reprinted many times. The bible can be interpreted in many ways by many people. There is the King James version, if the bible is true then why is there another version? It appears that there is yet another version, surely if the first written bible was true, why does there have to keep being new versions? If the caller has evidence why doesn't he just show it. He has to let you go because he has no answers.

[@TorianTammas]

We have five contradicting stories in the collection and over 50 outside. So fan fiction collectors decided which of the fan fiction was to weird.

[@Toxicity1987]

The thing about translation is kinda wrong. It was kinda true in the past but modern bible translations use the oldest sources available. Like the Codex Sinaiticus which is written in ancient Greek, which is believed to be the original language of the gospels. Scholars also try to translate those sources based on the best linguistical knowledge available. Which makes some modern translations to the most accurate ones available.

[@danielkeizer4174]

​​@@Toxicity1987still doesn't help if the contents are fictional. I'm sure the current print of Harry Potter is the same as the first. That still doesn't make Harry Potter an actuality.

[@Toxicity1987]

@@danielkeizer4174 True, my point just is that the argument "Bad translations/Copy errors" is not a good one to begin with. Heck Martin Luther used that argument himself, 500 years ago.

[@danielkeizer4174]

@@Toxicity1987 factually it's a valid argument if you look at the Hebrew Aramaic versions. As there some words are interpretable...so je wasn't wrong on the translation problems, just the language it's translated from. Greek versions used a lot of their own mythos mixed in with the Jesus story making it fastly different from those ones. They don't have much similarities between them.

[@capthavic]

Always fun when callers bitch out and leave because they can't handle the burden of proof.

[@eklektikTubb]

Debating probability and possibility is very abstract and unconvincing, based on intuition, personal feelings and appeal to common sense and it is usually without any argument or explanation.

[@CeezGeez]

“there’s just so much evidence. too much in fact” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@brucebaker810]

They're constantly embarrassed by their overkill level of evidence. It must be awful for them.

[@virgilschmidt1599]

Here's a 5th... people read into the words and stories what they want and make stories mean things to meet their presupposed conclusion.

[@scamchan]

Music was a nice touch there

[@Devious_Dave]

Jonathan is an intelligent man but he's so blinded by his 'faith' that he can't see his arguments are rotten. What does he say to Muslims who are equally committed to their book? - after such chats, he should know he has nothing to persuade non-believers.

[@jimdietrick1681]

That doesn't indicate intelligence even slightly. I must have missed the intelligent things he said.

[@Devious_Dave]

​@@jimdietrick1681 It's not as apparent when talking about his religion but he holds several degrees & a PhD (in Evolutionary Biology).

[@chriskelly3481]

What is so often the most upsetting about many of these calls is the fact that callers can clearly be bright and studious, but so clearly indoctrinated that they have relentlessly bent their intellect and discarded any semblance of integrity in order to defend their imbecilic religious claims.

[@craighambling]

This is "Doctor" Johnathan "Rage Quit" McLatchie, isn't it? 😂😂😂

[@lnsflare1]

In all fairness, the Christian claim is that the resurrection *is* a unique occurrence that is statistically impossible and only happened because of divine intervention, so it having a 0% chance of happening naturally isn't a defeater. That said, it's perfectly valid to demand external evidence that Jesus' resurrection (or general existence) actually happened at all, or to point out that the claim that Jesus (allegedly) being resurrected is proof that he is actually God is not a valid conclusion considering that other people in the Bible who were not God were also resurrected, including during Jesus own resurrection, at least as it was depicted in one of the stories.

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

Although according to the story book called the bible. Resurrection wasn't even unique to jeebus. It happened several times.

[@paulbainbridge5498]

The loaves and fishes is probably a barter/trade ratio between towns...it's not magical. Fish sandwich for everyone but everyone gets the vitamins they need

[@alexkilgour1328]

Julius Caesar's soul left his body from his funeral pyre and became a new star in the sky. He was a demigod, because he was descended from Venus (Aphrodite), so because of his great accomplishments he was able to go to heaven. This is written down by Roman writers of the age. Modern scientists, due to other noted observations, note that there was likely a comet that was uniquely bright in the sky not long after Caesar's death. This guy would be hard pressed to demonstrate that Jesus even existed (and I'm not a mythicist) whereas we have massive amounts of primary, secondary, and physical evidence that the big JC (Julius Caesar) existed.

[@freddan6fly]

Yet very few Christian's accept Julius Caesar as a demi god. The story is very similar to the 100 years later story of jesus, like someone just copied a myth from 34 BCE.

[@alexkilgour1328]

@@freddan6fly that's the point of my post. Not to say that Caesar really was a deity.

[@Specialeffecks]

Okay, I'll fess up. It's not the book as I barely read any if it before already becoming convinced. I believe because I've been surrounded by people who claim to believe. Had I been around believers of another religion I'd believe that instead. Each week this gets reinforced by people who claim to believe the same thing - it's what our in-group does if we want to stay in - just like believers of other organized religions do. Also, they claim there would be great rewards for believing and horrible penalties for not believing. They claim my life would have no purpose and I'd be a bad person if I didn’t believe. We share effective thought-stopping tactics and other things we should fear and remain snuggly in the fold. It also gives me a sense of being better than outsiders. At this point I've invested so much time with so many friends believing that it would be quite painful to even critically examine my beliefs, so the thought of stopping is unthinkable. Therefore, I am highly biased towards ANYTHING that even slightly appears to support what I essentially must believe, will glom onto it, which provides great demand for the many apologists who are happy to provide mountains of what slightly appears to support it. I lap it all up which keeps me more comfortable with my invisible beliefs. All this other stuff is part of what I learned to ward off that awful feeling of doubt caused by others pointing out the otherwise obvious inconsistencies. I may use another set of justifications next week...anything but honest doubt.

[@Baes_Theorem]

As someone who loves Bayes' Theorem, I apologize for the way this guy and others like him abuse it.

[@Homeoftheclan]

The men who wrote the bible say Jesus rose from the dead

[@ronaldmacpherson3345]

Magic thinking!

[@markusminny9472]

bruh they broke him

[@bodricthered]

A book says a thing people!!! Come on, it really does say a thing, how can you doubt it? Ignore all those other contradictory books b cause reasons and don't ask for any evidence beyond the claim itself..... No I don't see the similarities with a conmans sales pitch, why do you ask?

[@triplestandart7613]

Calls that go like this really baffle me. The contradiction is so obvious. How is it not obvious to him?

[@tekbarrier]

This guy is convinced that something which has never been verified to happen even once in human history (a resurrection) is more likely than things which have been recorded multiple times, such as a mass hallucination, or a grief induced hallucination, or a story just being made up and told as if it's true when it's not.

[@Specialeffecks]

People can and do become convinced of many things that we know did/do not happen. It's called an error in perception or reasoning (a mistake). We are not perfect perceivers. Then one person convinces another and before you know it, many people believe Elvis is raised from the dead, for example. Then people write it down. What part of that is proof of supernatural? Some of the better stories are bound to become religions and do. And now, there are many religions & more to come...take your pick.

[@Jim33933]

Congrats dude, you argued a god into existence. Now show me a god.

[@marc-antoinecusson3119]

(Darth sidious voice) the duningkruger is stroooong within this one.

[@beammeupbob]

why is it hard to understand that wild stories aren't good enough

[@durrutti]

We can conclude that the resurrection most likely didn't happen because it goes against everything we know about life and the physical world around us. That's why.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

Daaaaaamn, this dude drank ALL the Kool-Aid. 😂 Did he hail the mothership yet, or is he still breathing?

[@n0w3lly90]

The fact that all the so-called hypotheses he is enamoured by contain the word "coincidence(s)", does not fill me with confidence in his methods!

[@cwolfxuk-other]

One story in this book says this, another story in this same book also says this. Another story agrees that both the previous were in alignment. It's all the same book... Written by the same people to sell one story.

[@JustKingAteo]

The accounts of the feeding of the 5k is of different events

[@BaronVonQuiply]

This guy is paid to do this for a living and the best he's got is the Harry Potter argument

[@MrMattSax]

Jonathan McLatchie thinks that the resurrection is the culmination of the biblical story and that this raises the likelihood of the truth of the claims in the Bible. Jews clearly don’t conclude the same thing, so he thinks his subjective interpretation of a text makes the claims of the texts more likely. I really don’t see how that’s not “because the Bible tells me so” or even “because my interpretation of the Bible tells me so”.

[@joshuaandashleyearles-benn4749]

That was amazing. Backed into a corner and all of a sudden had to go. How disappointing

[@aaronlayton8750]

I wish they would have touched on the passover claim.

[@brucewilliams4152]

Johnathon, I from the uk. I've been to kings cross station. The UK government is run by departments with ministers. London e ists, we have public schools like Rugby,Eaton harrow, gordonstone.. Therefore everything in Harry Potter is true, and you can come to England visit london, see government building, you can go to rugby and see rugby school. It's far more accurate than the gospels

[@CrawfishDeluxe]

"We have a number of contending hypotheses" Yeah dude, and the best one by far, is that people wrote some shit in a book, possibly loosely based off a guy who may or may not have actually existed 2000 years ago. "It's all bullshit made up by liars" is undoubtedly among the best candidate explanations that exist.

[@jeffparent2159]

I HATE when theists try and use Bayes to prove their point because they constantly get it wrong. If the claim Jesus was God then the evidence needs to sway that likelihood. The fact a town exists or Jesus or that he had disciples doesn't increase that likelihood. We have cults with all the Jesus magical stories so even claims of miracles doesn't do anything with regards to probability.

[@chrisgrill6302]

"If I stack up a pile of leaky buckets I get something that holds water". And if leaky buckets will do so will these rotten baskets.

[@sixfootoneistall2002]

Bart ehrman has a good video on proving the historicity of miracles

[@heidihaw8119]

Or maybe they decided that this Jesus was the messiah because his death took place around the Passover.

[@Sang-Je]

The arrogance and unwillingness to think critically always amazes me.

[@markshere1022]

You can tell within five seconds of hearing his voice that you know what sort of smug delusional beliefs he's going to spout as fact, and be taken aback that anyone could refute his assertions.

[@dorkception2012]

There are times when you guys should use cut in clips of Matt putting these people back in to their place, otherwise, nice job, too nice actually! ;)

[@AceOfTheWorld72]

He asks for a specific example, and gets worked up when given them. This is sad.

[@the-outsider8458]

The 5th was the may have been sincere in believing, but were still just wrong. Doesn't have to be intentionally done, you're argument is massively biased there Jonathan.