Talking with Jehovah's Witnesses - June 2017 - Disneyland

In this video I talk with a Jehovah's Witness engaged in public witnessing in Downtown Disneyland, Los Angeles. Rather than confront him, argue with him, or try to win him over, I try to explore his mindset and compare it with mine. The results are intriguing!
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[@kroxxy123]

"I know a little bit" 🤣🤣🤣 you crack me up.

[@fishingislife3818]

But look at us now we got corona so the j.w are rights from bad to worse

[@RealPumpkinJay]

Just a wee bit.

[@bellycurious]

@@fishingislife3818, Coronavírus is not as bad as the plague or the Spanish flue. So, no, they are wrong.

[@tombowers536]

@kroxxy123 😂😂😂😂😂 that bit had me cracking up laughing as well

[@vixtorinordgaming3450]

Hahaha

[@karenf9698]

What a sweet man…good job Lloyd, you were so calm and sincere…as was he.

[@MadderMel]

What a lovely man David is !

[@chrisdurant4627]

Would heput a homeless person up,, I dought it,, would he in vite a homeless peron home for a meal, no way,,,, isaiah, ch, 58v 7 God JEHOVAH makes good and evil,,, @@MadderMel

[@chrisdurant4627]

@@MadderMel does he no jehovah is a killerGod, he made the jew eat there own children, boiled alive ye, shocking in it,

[@gabrieldovido7019]

@@chrisdurant4627 He would need to be born again to have Jesus and his father living in him by his spirit in order to have the nature of God being formed in him and to live by God's spirit. Thus fulfilling the works which God in advance prepared for him to do.

[@MrCouchIncident]

Beautifully done. While critically discussing this man's faith, you were kind and polite; as I would expect from you. I sense compassion in your words. Very well done by introducing possible cognitive dissonance without being cruel.

[@archieliburd4327]

The time is still comming for the fulfillment of Amos 8 v 11 when people are going to want the information being imparted by Jehovah's witnesses and they won't be able to get it. That's when many people's worries are going to begin.

[@dannyadamson5580]

Anyone that says my way is the only way and I know it might as well say that my way is ignorance

[@janbuyck1]

Couch : yes, unfortunately I don’t always keep my patience when they ring my doorbell.

[@gabrieldovido7019]

@@dannyadamson5580 Jesus said I am the way. He also said he was the truth And that he was the life. If he was God the son it would explain why he was the truth the way and the life.

[@flatearthdenier8454]

@@archieliburd4327 so there is doctrine stating that Jehovahs witnesses will be going door to door with the message that it's too late, that they have missed the window for turning to god for salvation? This is what I remember learning, but about 6 or 7 years ago, in a discussion with my father, I brought this point up and he told me they have never taught that.

[@Ashboob1]

Lloyd ,how you approached and steered this conversation shows the grace and thoughtfulness of someone who is from the upper echelons of humanity, the respect and restraint was refreshing, thank you for sharing

[@rollmops3113]

I'm sure most people don't have a problem with the rank and file JW. It's the upper management that's the problem... ie; the governing body and helpers.

[@SamVagyok]

As much as I love telltale he is not like that at all so Lloyd’s restraint is indeed very nice to see

[@AussieGirl235]

Great example of how to interact respectfully with witnesses.

[@WorstEpisodeEverr]

You're a good egg Lloyd. This is how it should be approached. Most other videos the apostate seems aggressive.

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

I know this is an old comment and video, but you are right. Aggressive apostates would never get through my mind when I was believing. The subtle approach worked way better on me.

[@STGFilmmakers]

Yea man most def. aggression is not the way.

[@joern888]

"Everything was much more peaceful in the 1940's" it was not that peaceful in europe

[@fricketyfracktraintrack]

Nor in America if you were anything but white male & straight

[@Ohmygatos35]

Was just thinking that.

[@a.d.2206]

Agreed. Old white men always say how much better it was then. No regard for any other race or gender. Life was only better back then for a select ignorant few.

[@ezrahalstead4397]

Also 1940 is Pre-WW1..

[@smithzm8841]

1940 is post WW1 and close to WW2

[@unknown2day2]

Respect to both of these men for leaving their egos out and having a great conversation on such a complicated subject!

[@junitaa.9337]

Until the witness know that lloyd was disfellowshipped

[@gmailuseraccount9575]

Great conversation, David is clearly a sincere man who is deep thinking and intelligent. I love that you were respectful and that his responses were open and from the heart. Well done!

[@beautifuldolls9145]

DAVID THE SMART KING!

[@sundance8862]

Sitting by a cart at Disneyland and counting time...Now THAT is a sweet gig.

[@sundance8862]

skygazer when I was a pioneer, there was no field service activity that looked as cushy as this. We had to drive our own cars all over our territory and visit many dangerous neighborhoods.

[@witness4jesuschrist572]

Did Jesus tell His disciples to preach that way?

[@SandradeeGomez]

Well Jesus would preach day and night and he would never stop preaching Jehovas (or god) word and when he died he told us to keep preaching this way to keep spreading his word which is the Bible. And god told us that we would have to sacrifice something to worship him so we sacrifice our time in the morning, we sacrifice our sleep (and I love sleeping) to preach his word and do what we were told.

[@MatthewMaranell]

spellbound111 ... nobody really knows the truth about anything. ..they only know their perspective/opinion on what they have experienced & feel to be true. (I personally feel most of us are wrong about most things in life, just a little less or more wrong than others, depending on the situation;) That being said, witnesses aren't allowed to think for themselves about anything relating to the organization. They do deserve to know about the many pedophilia cases that were admitted to & discussed in Australia, as well as the millions that have been paid out in lost lawsuits of pedophilia cases by the headquarters (while simultaneously saying to their followers that there is no problems like that in God's pure organization). The fact is that witnesses (and in all honesty, most people in general) don't want to face any type of uncomfortable facts that could cause them to question their current reality, they want to stay in their simple happy bubble where nobody questions the leadership....even when blatantly being lied to. it's a lot like scientology. ..give it enough time, the bullshit will start to come to the light and the people will start seeing the Incongruency of their leaders twisted tongues....or not..doesn't really matter when all is said & done. Regardless, it's their right to believe whatever they want..... given enough time, most beliefs that people hold onto so adamantly will probably be proven false...otherwise we'd all still be believing in Greek Mythology (hell, some people still do;)

[@debraannmartinez7157]

Matthew Maranell- said think for themselves? Really? I don't know where you got that from.. Just hearsay.. and bunch of KZbin videos that make you all believe. Look who isn't thinking for themselves? LIFE

[@hannahbeth7266]

So compassionate. Great conversation. I hope David’s doing well. What a nice guy. Xx

[@leeleemee]

Very civil exchange. If this could take place in this way between families, friends, coworkers, neighbors & world leaders. Imagine what a different world experience we would all have🤔.

[@mervjohnson2140]

Ieeleemee I Argee With You Very Civil Interaction with The Guy

[@TheNorseman84]

Yeah passions are always high when when it come to religion and politics and I don't see why

[@robertdawson7415]

Very Civil? Did you watch till the end? His purpose of approaching them was based on DECEIT. all lies are based on deceit. His approach here was based on deceit. The Bible says very clearly " to speak the truth with one another." Jehovah's Witnesses know if they lie deceive people they will be cast into the lake of fire the second death where all liars go. Who was speaking the truth in the video? Whose motive was based on DECEIT? Not knowing bible truth "people such as yourself enjoy having your ears tickled."

[@robertdawson7415]

AnarchoRepublican excuse me, isn't the correct way it’s written "Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves.

[@robertdawson7415]

AnarchoRepublican can I ask you if you were ever a JW? Or study?

[@Nepthu]

This David guy was sincere and nicer than most people I know. My little experience with witnesses is that they have bad tempers when challenged. This guy was so down to earth.

[@korolr]

Lloyd, what an exquisite display of street epistemology and the Socratic method of discourse!! Thank you!!

[@nicoletitov5612]

Him: 1940 was a much more peaceful time. WW2: Am I a joke to you?

[@onesunnyday5699]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@kristinaberger4853]

I have so much empathy for David, you could tell he was nervous. Well done to both Lloyd and David for listening to one another and having a respectful conversation.

[@falconx26g]

Please, more conversations with current JW's.

[@LloydEvans]

I enjoyed this! I will gladly take any opportunity to do it again. :)

[@debraannmartinez7157]

John - Did you get the information YOU needed? LIFE

[@debraannmartinez7157]

D- I don't know. I started that years ago.. But my soul ends with me making me end with it... LIFE

[@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10]

@@LloydEvans have u done any more talks like this since?

[@chernandez3865]

Imagine if this guy wakes up one day and then Lloyd interviews him. That’s would be soooooo interesting 🤔

[@melissajuarez2893]

That guy seems so nice. I'm sorry he got indoctrinated

[@stressfree1817]

Melissa Juarez Nice people's easy to get into this organization I know for myself

[@debraannmartinez7157]

indoctrinate? How do you know this . What claim do you have to assume he is indoctrinate? LIFE

[@marciathehooligan3861]

+Debra Tefs Because he is too stupid to check out what the WTBTS has been teaching him! When I go to church, I take notes & check out what my preacher says. And he knows this & he won't throw me out for doing so! In my videos, I urge people to check out what I say. Another thing is he talks just like all jws, very programmed. he's nicer than most but still you can tell he doesn't want to check out these well known facts because he knows he'll get in trouble

[@cbooth151]

Melissa Juarez "That guy seems so nice. I'm sorry he got indoctrinated." You're sorry he got indoctrinated in what?

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

cbooth151 your mum

[@Tony-xz7bo]

Oh I love your voice. Not just the accent but its timbre as well as simply the way you speak. You vocalize so smoothly like warm butter on fresh toast. I could listen to you for hours.

[@Gingergurl61]

Admirable use of logic on your part John. Not to mention patience and empathy. More power to you!

[@billsdoris]

Very well done Lloyd. There were so many times you could have gained a point as it were, but you stuck to the main aim of evidence. That really is the way to go I think.

[@constanceversie9086]

billsdoris he didn’t show any evidence himself to what he believe and why. What religion can supply you with the kind of evidence he wants. , Our job is to preach the good news until our Lord Jesus Christ comes back. Then he will do the judging, because man can only see on the out side. Jesus will judge from the inside.

[@fadedglory1045]

Watching this again. Such a good job of engaging. This is poster example of how to approach ANYONE. Non combative. Not trying to throw “truth bombs” all of that nonsense. This very nice man was left without having been made to feel attacked. He certainly didn’t have an encounter with an “apostate” as far as he was concerned. No walls went up. Cart crashes show immediate walls going up. Those people “crashed” become defensive, and for good reason. It’s harassment. Lloyd, again, this is fantastic.

[@stephanelaliberte1538]

Definitely one of the best reverse teachings I have seen. Everyone, note the respect shown here! Letting the JWs express themselves while, politely, presenting counter thoughts. Excellent conversation. Congratulation! If there is one thing this guy can take away of this conversation is that God will destroy billions of people without giving them any true evidence of his very existence. Sure, he may keep going on with this for years, but that thought will always be there, nagging and disturbing him until he chooses to stop the cognitive dissonance.

[@IDontDoDrumCovers]

one of the ex westboro bapist church people said it was people being respectful that helped them see that they were wrong. if you arent respectful people will get defensive and stop listening.

[@kingbenjai2685]

stephane laliberte if you pay attention to the teachings of JWs everyone who isn't a JW and was never exposed to the truth they will be allowed to decide if they want to live under gods rule or they don't want to live under those rules then they can't live in the world.

[@stephanelaliberte1538]

Actually, they don't. They teach that once the great tribulation starts, it will be too late to change your mind. Please read your watchtowers.

[@stephanelaliberte1538]

Also, we could have some level of respect for the Governing Body members if they acted as man well aware of their own imperfection. They would welcome constructive criticism and would ask forgiveness for specific teachings and mistakes they have done in the past. Instead, they claim the same authority as Moses who performed miracles and talked with God. Considering that they freely admit not to talk with God and to perform miracle, such conduct is abusive.

[@debraannmartinez7157]

Aloha.. Stepan' Well, I am not brain watch.. Try me!!! LIFE

[@RaineeG62]

Very respectfully done. He was very genuine and you were firm but kind.

[@jdterrell]

doubt the gb would approve of that music brother

[@jamieangel3766]

walt disney was a nazi so was gerrit losches DADDY so I think they would approve haha

[@twinstar9]

Jamie Angel" Walt Disney was not a nazi. He did label labor organizers as communists.

[@annetteslife]

lohengren probably not just the Mormons did not approve of my choice of music and I happen to listen to heavy metal

[@professorkaos2781]

everyone knows The Smiths are Lucifers puppets

[@blu4085]

lol..no right? I remember when the elders did their home rounds and would check my albums, and i had all the Sparks albums and one of them was called PROPAGANDA. That was NOT approved of. So i reckon a band named The CHARLATANS would raise a big red flag. ;D)

[@carolynatherton2106]

Thanks Lloyd. He was a nice guy. You are a nice guy. A great reminder that there doesn't have to be drama in every conversation. People can just have an non-threatening exchange.

[@artevizart2600]

Only cause said,...,, he wasn't a Jehovas, but an ex Jehova, an apostate and his family is, an inadvertent Lie, meaning he wasn't lying and he wasn't too honest and or sincere...Overall good vibes and Energy...

[@blitzblutz]

David did seem like a decent and genuine guy. He is unfortunately wasting his life sitting at the entrance of an amusement park. No pun intended

[@Skiskiski]

That is your opinion. You have the right to believe what you want. We were born with "Free Will." But at the end of the day, we all will be held accountable by the "True God."

[@TheFunGun5]

@@Skiskiski You started out rational but of of course fell into the classic "apeal to authority threat" that all theist claim. Please, provide proof of your claim.

[@aubreyward5725]

@@Skiskiski dude that is literally the witness equivalent of saying your gonna burn in hell. frankly if "Jehovah" is real and I will be held accountable then I will also hold him accountable for his sins against humanity and creation..

[@Christina-ch8qq]

David chooses to spend his time there because he wants people to know a message. He isn’t wasting his life.

[@aubreyward5725]

@@Christina-ch8qq well we will see if time was waisted when the definition of "generation" expands to I incude people who knew people who knew people who were born in 1914

[@rocketmatt1996]

You saved my mom from the cult. I owe you my life. She watched your videos.

[@LloydEvans]

I'm so pleased to hear that my videos have helped! Congratulations to you both for finding your freedom! :)

[@NickHawaii]

John Cedars Name a group of Christians who are closer than first-century Christianity than Jehovah’s Witnesses. Love to see it. Please direct me.

[@NickHawaii]

Tania D See Hebrews 13:18 for those taking the lead among us in the first century footnote in the NWT reference bible of what it literally means in Greek: Or, “are governors of you.” Gr., he·gou·meʹnois hy·monʹ. See Mt 2:6 ftn, “Governors.”

[@NickHawaii]

Tania D And no they took they celebrated the Lord’s evening mean once a year on Nisan 14 as it replaced the Passover that was done once a year.

[@NickHawaii]

Tania D Also, In reality they are not titles but descriptions. Humm what did Paul, Barnabas, Peter, Apollos and many more do? They did special work beyond the average disciple. Not all were called an Apostle either. The term publisher is an English term to describe our work and Pioneer is a term to describe a voluntary acceptance of additional effort. We are all simply ministers of the Good News.

[@jamieangel3766]

I love that slam-dunk question GENIUS! I hope Lloyd does loads more of these he is in his element here

[@jamieangel3766]

How refreshing to see a JW actually listen and discuss rather than presume to know everything and to be the teacher. This is amazing. This is the first JW I've heard to say that if his beliefs were proven wrong without a doubt he would leave it. Most of them say that they wouldn't even if they knew it was wrong. WOWEEEEE

[@goodgirlkay]

Jamie Angel Americans go gaga for a British accent. It made him less suspicious and less guarded. Had a fellow American approached him, he wouldn't have been so friendly.

[@ilikezappa3268]

Yes , I made a good career as a mugger over there with my British accent. " Excuse me Old Bean , what time is it ?" Then WHAM , I would hit them with my steel reinforced bowler hat .

[@indycarr3964]

He's going to tell you, "See, I'm not leaving, so that means I'm right!"

[@madison.w8615]

You don’t know anything about Jehovah’s Witnesses if this is what you think about them

[@Skiskiski]

Our problem is that we set on soul on what man believes. So, when man fails us we are crushed. That is why the bible tells us not to put our trust in a nobleman.

[@saulgoodman1371]

Excellent the way that you treated him I get tired of seeing very aggressive people taunting the JWs .That only reinforces the claim that apostates are mentally desiged

[@matthewsequoyah2665]

Saul Goodman : YES !

[@blahinthe7843]

Aggressively taunting against JWs also enforces "us vs them" mentality, and strengthens the individual's attachment to the group (cult). The ministry work is not for recruitment, it is actually for manipulating it's members psychologically so it's harder for them to leave.

[@skinny_jimmy]

@@blahinthe7843 Also it´s just a bad way of living to just get offensive about everything and with everyone. As exJdub one is obviously emotionally affected but still, keeping it civil and just talking like reasonable humans should be a golden standard.

[@annemariefrank]

Congrats to you, Lloyd, for such a beautiful and respectful exchange!! I learned a lot from your incredibly calm and caring way to talk to David! I guess we need much more of that in these times of polarisation and agressive communications on social media. Thanks again, and keep up the great work!

[@jasonw1900]

What strikes me is how unprepared JW's are for any conversation outside the parameters of the scripted presentations which are practiced EVERY time they meet together. Your exchange didn't fit into any of their mental molds they have seen before.

[@Exsugarbabe1]

I troll the local JW and they assume people are very shallow, it’s so patronising.

[@jeremystangness1592]

They are constantly taught that all in the world are selfish with no respect for others or the planet. Got to keep them on their toes. That is how one plants seeds of doubt.

[@bladenot-runner1795]

Ruth Barr: Good god, they are so patronizing. So freaking patronizing. The total lack of respect they showed for me when I began questioning was enough of a turn-off.

[@jenr.6965]

Jason W Yes. We prepare for a basic presentation. Some are less experienced than others and just like in any other kind of communication, some questions throw us off. Please understand that we aren't perfect and we don't know everything. We are doing our best to provide accurate information to others.

[@jenr.6965]

bob miller Our books are free.

[@elenasimon1270]

Great example of SE, street epistemology. Your voice and demeanor are spot on.

[@steeldutchess]

I was so shocked he talked to JWs despite being disfellowshipped. 10 years officially out of the org, raised in it, never accepting it and I STILL have their rules burned deep into my brain. Wow, the number they do on your mind... man... Thank you, Lloyd, this helped me throw another chain of theirs off my chest. He simply doesn't recognize the GB authority over him anymore. Stunning. And the conversation is masterful, too, but the very act of defiance shook me more than anything else.

[@grvc44]

Steel Dutchess the witnesses doesn't know that he was disfellowship long ago. probably.

[@steeldutchess]

Of course, the witnesses don't know his personal story and they are expected to be brainwashed, since they are ACTIVE witnesses. It's not about those witnesses in the video, it's about Me, a person who doesn't consider themself a witness, yet subconsciously is bound by their law. The point of my post was that I was shocked when Lloyd defied their law. It showed me that even I, ME, NOT brainwashed, not a Witness, was still in mental chains. To me their law was still real and in my mind, deep in my subconscious, I was bound by their law and would not talk to them knowing that I am disfelloweshipped, knowing that by their laws I am no longer human. Don't you see? Deep inside their brainwashing affected me that much that I would agree with their decision that I am no longer human and should NOT be given the privilege of communication. And THAT is why it's fucked up. And that is why their brainwashing is powerful. Lloyd shows me that he IS free from their laws and he does not agree with being treated as a non-human. He sees himself a human with the right to communicate with whoever he pleases. However, he knows that witnesses won't see it that way, he knows that they will obey the law and will refuse him communication, that's why he doesn't inform them that he is disfellowshipped, but doesn't outright lie to them, either. He says "I have family who are witnesses", which is true.

[@tinaalvarado612]

be careful of who you learn from? Anyone who doesn't want to keep Jehovah's teaching will always blame the organization. walking away from Jehovah and getting approval from someone who is an apostate won't save you. I'm sure the demons agree with Satan too about leaving Jehovah.

[@blu4085]

I was raised a JW also..but i knew when i was 6 years old that there was something really odd about this crap, watching their weird easter ceremony. I felt so totally out of place, as if i was outside of my body somehow..but feeling trapped, and understanding i would have to wait til i was way much older before i could run away from home. Because i really used to think that that would be the only way to get away from these nutters. Eventually, i just put my foot down on my 12th birthday and said, -I'm m not coming to another meeting. Period. Long Long story short..I agree with you. You don't become free from this if you concentrate your whole life on returning to it in this way. At the same time, if someone dedicates their life to helping other people to see the deception and become free from brain wash and they feel this is the way to do it and it doesn't become a burden for them..then, who am i to judge? Still, i myself have been free for more than 3 decades now, and i sometimes take a look at these videos to see how many other people are finally breaking the chains. It makes me happy.

[@madison.w8615]

I’m sorry you left Jehovah. You know it hurts him more than anyone else?

[@RichD2024]

"1940 pre-world war 1"... pretty much sums up a JWs historical knowledge in a nut shell

[@LuciusVulpes]

I spit my water when he said that.

[@jasonw1900]

Yea I caught that too, as much as JW's connect 1914 with WWI I was shocked he didn't have that as mentally locked and loaded as "I just feel JW's are the one true religion".....SMH

[@RichD2024]

Michel He may have misspoken then, but if you really believe we are living in the worst period in human history, you don't know the first thing about human history, and that's a reoccurring problem i encounter with JWs; they are completely oblivious to anything that happened outside of the Bible account of history

[@Kazooka]

It's possible he thought Lloyd said "1914" which would, of course, be just before/at the start of WWI. Unlikely, but possible.

[@moveadvisor3580]

Lol 1940 WW2 was going on. 1914 and even before then was terrible too. This is why it's not good to let ppl back you in a corner and question you down, especially when you don't know what you're talking about.

[@catmeow333]

Really appreciate the respect and kindness LLoyd projected when talking with the jw brother. The brother was immersed deeply in his beliefs and came across to me as sincere. It made me feel a little sad because I use to be like him, clinging to the ideal dream. I wonder if he thought about you after the conversation. You must’ve used superhuman control to reign yourself in.

[@CraigNewsome.]

that was extremely interesting and we'll done conversation. thanks so much. great hints on better ways to dialogue with witnesses.

[@truthhurtsalways4u]

Theyre satan witnesses just like you!

[@anastasiashpyt]

I need to educate myself enough to be able to talk to JWs in such a way. Thank you for a great example!

[@MrEhamburglar]

Had to sit through some of this dude's talks when I was younger. Not sure why I'm doing it voluntarily now 😂

[@hugo3018]

Hi Loyd, appreciate your job! I'm going to watch 90 entreviews from your channel, beginning today. I am doing that because I am a Brazilian english learner and was born as a JW (I need to learn the real truth and get rid of abusive mind control). In the next 90 days I will leave comments about a least one good thing I have learnd from the entreview! Today I have learned about 'evidence'. Sincerely regards from Brazil

[@davidsantana4276]

This was a great conversation. Lloyd was not condescending and David was sincere and quite humble.

[@meridlin1236]

Beautiful street epistemology techniques on show here! Brilliant work Lloyd.

[@TheKoolbraider]

Very peaceful discussion. The police weren't called as they often are if the discussion is more confrontational. A better result here.

[@LloydEvans]

Interestingly, there were police stood only a few feet away off-camera. My colleague who was filming lives locally and was convinced they were there due to the recent antics of an aggressive activist. Throughout my conversation with David, they appeared completely unfazed by my presence.

[@TheKoolbraider]

Yes, many KZbin videos under this situation usually result in police telling the activist to move on. If you think about the circumstances, JWs are rightly worried about what may become a violent situation.

[@KathyloveCreation]

@@LloydEvans ,here in Hong Kong we are free to preach the good news of God's kingdom to every sort of people,some we encountered are rude and some are kind and willing to listen and learn.we are not surprised anymore when someone act badly against us or someone trying to harm us because Jesus Christ himself suffered too.(from. Philippines)

[@goodnoodle4337]

@@KathyloveCreation lol you know this is an apostate channel right?

[@madikijagadishbabu2705]

This is one of the nicest conversation I have ever listened to ... we all need to rise to this level ... we all have difference of opinions based on our beliefs but at the end of the day if we can sit and talk and move on without any ego that would be great

[@ladymaiden2308]

The Disney Music in the background.

[@natasha687able]

Can change happen overall if people would have more of these types of conversations. Very well done video and loved the questions.

[@karentaylor4939]

This is absolutely one of my favorite videos you’ve done. Very calm and civil conversation. Well done 👍🏻

[@NickHawaii]

Karen Taylor How would you like to be secretly spies on? Very inappropriate and creepy.

[@DailyDoseofShortsVideos]

It sucks because they are really good at being friendly and nice I feel like a lot of them are sheep while Tony Morris is fighting his war against tight pants

[@ayandambuyazi2103]

BRILLIANT work Lloyd. I am in tears watching this. I am 35 years old and was a JW for 30 years and it was like watching my former self through a lense. Next time I see them where them and have a conversation I will use this approach

[@camppu-8614]

This conversation was actually so much more interesting than i thought. But now as i write this i lost all my focus as ”for the first time in forever” started playing 😂😂

[@adddad9779]

To be fair he seemed like a good person, and unfortunately he has been misguided...

[@danh.8261]

Hopefully one day in that brothers wake-up story he will recount how it started one day when a gentleman approached him at Disneyland. Good job Lloyd.

[@livingvenom1412]

I appreciate you at least talking with real, active Jehovah's Witnesses in order to get your information and not trying to reproach them, especially in public.

[@LloydEvans]

Thank you! :)

[@gabrieldovido7019]

@@LloydEvans Hi Lloyd. I enjoyed watching the interview and I was pleased to see how open you were to proof of a creator and what was the truth .

[@seancruz5863]

I’ve watched this a ridiculous amount of times to pick up on techniques to us. His questions, manners and direction are so on point

[@tygrysekpogo9403]

Great conversation Lloyd ! I hope that you will give as some more 😊 Greetings from Poland 😊

[@victoriagolmehdi8506]

I had never thought of the ark and the people seeing the preparations going on.What if they had all decided to get on? No way would there have been room for them all.

[@sorryaaahhh7648]

I wish more people would understand that you can (as you said) talking and exchanging ideas and thought processes without the judgments to put better as aristotle said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

[@sorryaaahhh7648]

I didn't think you'd see my comment loyd but (to say nothing less) thank you for making my comment a pin. I love and appreciate all the time and energy you spend making your videos, I love how indepth you are. Thank You

[@seekeroffortune6330]

Having grown up as a Jehovah's Witness, and now being on the other side, I can say unreservedly, that this is the absolute best way to have a meaningful discussion with a JW. Not argumentative or disrepectful, but letting them speak so you can see what they are thinking. As I watched the video, I had flashbacks of that deep-in-your-gut feeling of dread when someone with intelligent arguments starts bringing up points you really can't refute. David did as good a job as one could do, but I guarantee he went home that night and thought a LOT about what was said. They do not respond to anger or attacks. (That's just Psych 101 in any situation.) Bravo for a brilliant insight into the mindset of JW's. If we can just keep getting them to think and question, think how many we can save.

[@madison.w8615]

I’m sorry you left Jehovah

[@Garryck-1]

@@madison.w8615 - Don't worry.. I'm sure Seeker of Fortune is extremely happy that they abandoned your false god.

[@joemama4240]

@@madison.w8615 don't be sorry :D you believe in a false God and he is clearly better off

[@RandolphTheWhite1]

What if David leaves the church, and then in a process of struggling the pains of leaving JWs starts watching your videos, and sees this video. Lol

[@angeladominguez7300]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1299">21:39</a> oh to be a teen with all the happiness of being at Disney and walking with grace

[@bronothere176]

that is the perfect method to speak to them. use the same tactics or question and reasoning. The people that post the attack videos have no concept on how to do this type of reasoning. These is the method to make them think, rather than just go on the defensive. awesome job. these are great videos.

[@moemapelissari6842]

i'm binge watching, Lloyd! im' so impressed by your distancing skills... it shows me how deep my anger issues go when it comes to JWs. it's been a good recovering experience to watch how you deal with it.

[@beanm9948]

That was so very interesting to watch. You can feel David's sincerity, but he can't back up any of his beliefs. As kind as you were Lloyd, you had this guy stumped!! It is nice to see an ex witness just chatting with a witness without the agenda of being unkind and exposing the "truth". His failed attempts at answering your pointed questions was proof enough he was just giving you robotic, rank and file answers. I too, was surprised he came clean about non witnesses dying at Armageddon. Ballsy. David is a really nice man. I'm just wondering how many interviews you'll be able to do before you're discovered. Even here in the states. Wish you all the best on your current film project. As you may say, "Cheers!"👍🏼😃

[@madison.w8615]

If you gave him time to look through his Bible, I know he would have given you satisfactory answers. It’s hard to come up with the right things to say on the spot. All due respect, I think he did much better than people in most other religions could’ve done in answering the questions.

[@Garryck-1]

@@madison.w8615 - "Satisfactory" answers? From a book full of lies, half-truths, fairy tales and a little bit of historical stuff? Sorry, but rational people don't accept that book as a source of evidence on *anything* . Let's see you prove it WITHOUT using the bible. (And don't try the "it's god's word" bullshit. Because any book can make that claim. Proof of such an outlandish claim has to come from *outside* the book itself.

[@tecstionproductions5205]

@JAFO wel we believe it is there is no point in arguing to look in the bible for answers if you don’t believe it’s gods word

[@1e0s]

Such respectful discourse & exchange of opinions. I hope you left him something to think about.

[@sbrightpink]

This should be a series when u go under cover its the best!!!😂

[@eriche8870]

I wish i can have this calm conversation with my father who’s strong JW.

[@thebigd4413]

You did this really well! More more more!

[@mozziarrizza2281]

Wow an amazing conversation, this is the way humanity needs to behave debating beliefs among themselves.

[@minnaunogardt8207]

I really learned so much of this video. Thank you for this, you are amazing! You didn't shame him, but you planted a seed of doubt.

[@sandicec.5886]

LOVED, LOVED, LOVED THIS VLOG. Please do lots more of this kind, on the other topics. Thank you for another great vlog.

[@elnelinqui]

So Ruben Ortiz's hypothesis worked. I usually let them preach to me and say what they want. Then I start asking questions about the things they're preaching about until they mention Armageddon and that's when I ask them: "What's Armageddon?" As soon as the mention something about war or destroying then my next question will be: "I thought Jehovah hated violence? How come he's using it as a solution of our problems?" I would say like 90% of the time, they stay at least 5 seconds in the limbo, thinking of what I just ask them about and 100% of the time they'll give me an unsatisfactory answer

[@Nocturnalux]

Do they ever mention the birds that are supposed to eat the bodies of the dead after Armageddon?

[@elnelinqui]

Nocturnalux of course not, they won't talk about that. In fact, they do try to avoid mention Armageddon and a war all along but after asking them many questions, they have no other choice but to talk about Armageddon

[@victorialavelle1052]

elnelinqui So not true. they speak on Armagedon openly. ArmGedon is last Gods "faith" with enemies. You should check better not talki g about one talk with obviously someone who is new in JW.

[@madison.w8615]

Jehovah won’t be using violence against us, he’ll be using it against Satan and his forces

[@bengvillanueva7490]

Armageddon is a frightening word to many, however, the bible speaks of Armageddon as the place of a righteous war fought by God. - Rev 16: 14, 16 This war of God will prepare the way for a righteous new world. Unlike the wars of men, which kill both the good and the bad, Armageddon will destroy only the bad. Consider the blessings when the wicked will no longer be: 1) All humankind at peace. Ps 72:7 2) No more war. Ps 46: 8, 9 3) Fine homes & enjoyable work for everyone. Isa 65: 21-23 4) Crime, violence, wickedness will be gone. Ps 37: 9, 10 5) A paradise earth. Ps 37: 29 6) Plenty of good things for all to eat. Ps 72: 16 ; 67: 6 7) No more sickness, old age or death. Rev 21: 3, 4 8) The dead are brought back to life. Rev 20: 13 Who wouldn't want to walk anywhere at any time of the day or night w/o fear of being harmed? Only a promised paradise earth govern by righteous ruler (Jehovah & Jesus Christ) can fulfill these.

[@AdaMakawee]

This was so interesting. Thanks for sharing this.

[@Wasserkaktus]

This is the best JW Video I've seen: It shows that there are indeed JWs who are truly good and well intentioned people, and they are just often severely misguided, and despite how despotic Watchtower can make some individuals, other individuals' kindness and love shines through all of that.

[@Ljy2wp]

What a way to get your 70 hours in....sitting at a table in Disneyland in the sun 😂

[@ashlynnsiobhan]

Love that this was such civil conversation.

[@MichaelYoder1961]

Lloyd! You almost gave yourself away with all the JW lingo you knew!

[@lemongrabloids3103]

The most polite conversation on KZbin

[@bri340]

Well done! It's not often that they have such thought provoking experiences when they're out there. I really enjoyed this.

[@sjdrifter72]

I feel bad for David, he seems very sincere and polite. It hurts to see people like him wasting their lives for such a corrupt organization. If only he knew the real truth and leave like he said he would if he found out that his beliefs weren't true.

[@madison.w8615]

How corrupt do you think we are? I don’t know people happier than Jehovah’s Witnesses. We don’t force our opinions onto others, we respect people who don’t agree with our beliefs. We’re not bad people. We are not a cult

[@mesairr]

People would rather have their minds molded by apostates rather than the truth

[@justinwaterman9724]

Molded prostates? Sign me up!

[@sjdrifter72]

@bgillard12 ​ I do feel sorry for people like him, but the ones I really feel sorry for are the children born into this destructive cult because they were never given a choice and are the victims for the child abuse epidemic that have plagued this organization. I was part of this organization and was blessed to wake up prior to baptism. Not only that but I managed to get my family out as well. It was one of the best decisions I've made in my life. Why are you JWs here anyway?, chastising someone like me when you are disobeying the Governing Body's strict orders to stay away from apostate videos, websites and literature. Care to explain yourself? or do you already have doubts about the Watchtower organization?

[@joemama4240]

@@madison.w8615 what are you doing here as a Jw? You are not allowed to talk on sites like this....

[@DrunkMichael]

He will not make it through Armageddon for not shunning you. On a serious note, I respect how you approached that conversation; I always feel bad for the JW in many of these "confrontation" videos. They also accomplish nothing, while on the other hand, you might have actually placed a "seed" in his mind.

[@justmadeit2]

Llyod, it would be good to see some more of these. I appreciate you are likely too busy with your other activism work and family etc, but these are good.

[@elizabethlevine4263]

By far the best way to help a JW think! I absolutely love your kind hearted way to help wake them up, Lloyd! Thank you!

[@MartinHernandez-gk2jj]

I was so glad when he said non of his family has become jw's! If he ever open his eyes, he won't suffer family shunning.

[@coralrain6332]

Martin Hernandez yessss

[@Nocturnalux]

Would he be pressured his shun his own family, though?

[@MartinHernandez-gk2jj]

Nocturnalux I'm not sure I'm understanding your question... What do you mean?

[@madison.w8615]

You don’t understand their way of life at all. Jehovah’s Witnesses avoids non-Witnesses because they don’t want ‘bad’ morals corrupting their relationship with their God

[@Garryck-1]

@@madison.w8615 - oh come on now.. don't bullshit about things like that.. you know that parents will shun their d/f'ed children, and not for fear of corrupting their relationship with their god.. but because the society tells them they must. Thankfully, my own (still in) mother always refused to shun her 3 d/f'ed children, as she maintains that's just *wrong* .

[@alexschittenden]

please do more Loyd, absolutely brilliant

[@zacharymorris9917]

I'm very impressed with both sides. Top notch discourse. The mutual respect was second to none.

[@guillermovilla9517]

Great video. I also didn't want it to end. The conversation was very respectful and maybe it gave him something to think about.

[@chrisampie2371]

i adore your approach to this conversation! i feel like you really challenged his thought process & i hope for his sake he questions his cult after speaking w/you! #logic

[@jeremyjbaker1]

I love how nice you are tward him

[@jenfnp]

It was so nice to see an actual conversation. I have never been able to have a dialogue with a JW. They usually just take off talking about their agenda for the day.

[@KudukUngol]

Thumbs up just for captioning all of that. Must've been a lot of work I can't even imagine, but much appreciated!

[@freemoviesmedia-pleasesubs3210]

JW have a kind personality

[@dannysouheaver1931]

dranreb ababon What? The ones I know are hateful towards those who disagree, except when recruiting. And god forbid you decide to leave the cult.

[@freemoviesmedia-pleasesubs3210]

@@dannysouheaver1931 mind your own bro. dont judge people for what they are doing good , just judge those people who are doing bad and crimnals. 😂😂 Just advised. peace. yow

[@dannysouheaver1931]

dranreb ababon I’m sorry that you are so highly uneducated in regards to the reality of the JW cult. Also sorry that you are so highly uneducated in regards to the daily harm that religion does. Due to the harm religion does and how it tries to tell me how I’m supposed to live, it is my business. So, when you’re more educated and have something meaningful to say, please share. Until then you’re just showing everyone that you definitely are not as smart as a first grader.

[@dannysouheaver1931]

Peter de Zeeuw You missed the whole point. Therefore you must be a delusional religious twit. Instead of making a sweeping assertion, tell me what I said that was wrong or realize that you are basically saying nothing. Religious people spew nothing but lies, hate, and indoctrination. Proven over two thousand plus years. If you wanna have a real conversation, let me know.

[@dannysouheaver1931]

Peter de Zeeuw Oh, all religious people are delusional and uneducated in critical thinking and or possesses no morality.

[@eddie51arz]

Every now & then you should do more videos like this. Give them questions and such or even ask about the sexual abuse from Australia which surprisingly not a lot of witnesses know about and when they do just keep quiet

[@danaiduma]

Eddie Jump oh my goodness. I didn't know that they are doing that down here ☹

[@kambanimwanyulu7570]

Eddie Jump Mind you please, an individual weaknesses can not spoil the whole organization we are not 100% perfect but to the most extent we do better than others...

[@sevilnatas]

+kambani mwanyulu - Not in Australia you don't. And based upon Witness rules, probably not anywhere the church is operating.

[@livingvenom1412]

There are bad people everywhere. People can be really good at hiding things. Unfortunately, JWs arent perfect so sometimes awful things happen. Its not as common as with people who are not Witnesses, but on occasion it still does happen.

[@smvballer6]

Let me guess...then you want to get mad because they supposedly shun...smh

[@magnabosco210]

Great conversation and excellent summary at the end, Lloyd.

[@farcenter]

Need so much more like this! so few street epistemology videos on KZbin

[@zacharyvonroeder6873]

all in all I thought that was a respectful and civil conversation. First time I heard a jw NOT come off as a know it all or arrogant. As an ex jw I I prefer these types of conversations as opposed to conflicts , arguments and insults. Not all apostates use bull horns, insults and bible thumping to get these people to mayyyyybeeee possibly start to think and reason for themselves. respectful, mature and thought provoking debate Lloyd, keep up the great activism. One last thing, what's the gb doing allowing them to enter The MAGIC Kingdom???? hhhmmmm...

[@madison.w8615]

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t come off as know it all’s. They try to tell what they believe, they never force their beliefs down your throat

[@bex_3]

well done Lloyd! Hopefully you planted a seed in his mind that he will ponder and contemplate over and one day he will realize.

[@Gab5mc]

B_Gav he said on his twitter that he would start after this video, so probably soon.

[@madison.w8615]

Yeah, realize that we was right in leaving Satan’s world and joining JW’s. Dude, I love those people. I’ve never met a religion more ethnically or linguistically diverse. They’re kind to you, they want to help you, and if have questions about them, they answer respectfully.

[@NeatoboyAus]

@@madison.w8615 "They're kind" If he knew Cedars was an Apostate then he would have treated him like a piece of shit.

[@Thunderwing69]

Lloyd this video has given me a few ideas on how to handle a conversation with witnesses, without bringing emotions into the interaction. Many conversations I have with them, follow the usual course of "ok what do you think is the right religion then?" The answering a question, with one of their own, is something I've been trying to tackle for some time. Your example here has shown me what steps I can take to keep accusations and point scoring out of my interactions with them. Your conversation with David, has helped me immensely.

[@markpowell7395]

Just caught up with this - I really enjoyed the conversation and the use of street epistemology. Very respectful and enlightening.