Just a few notes on this! You will notice that at around the 58-minute mark the video skips (where the speaker targets elders for his warning about social media). This is because the speaker gives the name of the congregation, and I forgot to bleep this out during editing, so I've snipped it out using the KZbin editor. I am hopeful that one day I can interview one or several of the "20" to hear more of their story, but I understand the situation is quite delicate at the moment. Obviously, you don't get 20 people leaving a congregation all at once without it causing friction. In any case, I'm delighted that so many have found freedom and it is an encouraging sign that online activism really is having a tangible effect on Witness numbers - and Watchtower knows it. Hope you guys enjoy the video! :)
@julianplentii31366 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your work Lloyd!!!
@andysouidhou97106 жыл бұрын
If you get an interview with one of the the twenty...wow!!
@lynngardner33306 жыл бұрын
John Cedars your videos are always eye opening! Great information.
@tamaravsthevoid6 жыл бұрын
John Cedars I always love your videos and find them so helpful in addressing family who are still believers. I’m looking at doing a video series around women who have left the organisation and their struggles leaving such a misogynistic environment. Do you have anyone you know who might be interested in being part of the project? I have plenty of men volunteer but women seem so much more timid about sharing their experience, and I think it might be helpful to other women questioning the ‘truth’
@WistfulCreative6 жыл бұрын
Same old arguments from the WT...the more you tell people don’t look, the more curious the become. They have a lot to hide!
@abigailalmeida92486 жыл бұрын
Hello Lloyd! I was born a JW and I went on being a pioneer and all... Then, about 5 years ago, my boss in the secular job started reasoning with me about my beliefs and about some realities I wasn't aware of... At the beginning I was hurt and angry with him. But my mind has always been too inquisitive for the cult, and I felt very bad about my thoughts and questions, but I couldn't let it go! So I started to investigate a bit more, I read "Crisis of consciousness" (the TRUE eye-opener) and yours was the first channel I ever subscribed as an "apostate"! Needless to say I never went back! So thank you for the way you put things, and the kind way you speak. If you had been an angry person or a vindictive one, I would have never go on listening to you! So, congratulations on your work with people like me, that woke up too late but yet soon enough to start living!
@groovy91256 жыл бұрын
Lloyd, I really like your style. I have no idea what you do for a living, but you’d make an excellent college professor or teacher in some fashion. Your ability to reason with people, in this case Jehovah’s Witnesses, is outstanding. I imagine many of those leaving this cult may have gotten their strength from you to flee. You’re so right about that we, as apostates, are not responsible to give those who leave a new hope. Witnesses are believing a lie and really need to move on to reality. I’m in the U.S. (Arizona), so if you’re ever in this part of the world it would be a pleasure to meet you!
@guillermovilla95176 жыл бұрын
“Obsession with child safeguarding issues” comment left me floored!! Another great video!!
@janheard38265 жыл бұрын
GuillermoVilla Yes they obviously don’t give a shit about children in that religion
@informationyes4 жыл бұрын
I know its not like a big deal! or anything
@lukehoseason82444 жыл бұрын
I know crazy
@BekurahToshin4 жыл бұрын
RIGHT? Cuz how dare we be concerned over the safety of our children. What a terrible message to send. DX
@Scott-iu2jx2 жыл бұрын
These people would have been stoned to death or had a sword pearced through him for committing such a defiling act. Or adultery. In Exodus an isrealite was pierced through in the process of committing a sinful act with a woman from another tribe in his tent. No questions asked Joshua (l think) pierced them both through in front of all the Isrealites. They all knew God's commandment to them on this subject or other atrocious sexual acts.....
@fuzzyg26196 жыл бұрын
Awesome !!! As a ex elder and bethelite love your reasoning and respectable way of exposing both sides of this fear inspiring pep talk to the blind class! The curtain is being pulled back and there responding .thanks for your dedication to us all!
@fuzzyg26196 жыл бұрын
We need to get together for that interview ,let me know.Thx
@southernbawselady70926 жыл бұрын
Just hearing the word "apostates" scared me to death!!..This is the reason why a lot of JWs have a hard time coming out of the org! I started out learning about Mormonism and noticed the similarities of the JWs...Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science.. I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down.. The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality and after you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all your life..it is really tough and then the phobias and the different fears, it can mess with a person's mind..and now I see why a lot of people resort to suicide, it is scary but the good thing is there's help!! The internet has played a big part in all of this!!.. Now I look at people as being just human beings trying to do their best..trying to deal with all the stresses and anxieties in this world! John your channel was a lifesaver in my early waking up process!!.. I cannot thank you enough!..Keep up the awesome work!! 💯❤
@jennareed16386 жыл бұрын
It's exactly how I woke up, seeing the parallels. I trust this method and have heard a great number of similar experiences. I trust this method.
@saffronhammer77146 жыл бұрын
I also woke up when I made a Mormon friend and began researching the LDS church, history, and then listening to ex-mormon stories of their waking from cult indoctrination. When I realized that anyone born into a religion can believe any crazy doctrine and believe it the One Truth. I began to see JW was just another religion. From there I gained the courage to investigate the history and reality of WTS. John Cedars' videos were a hug part of my waking up from the Doomsday cult.
@southernbawselady70926 жыл бұрын
jenna reed - yeah, its amazing!.. I wasn't questioning the Org at the time.. I just wanted to learn something different.. so I became curious about the Mormons and noticed the similarities...It gave me the courage to look inside the JWs and then I came across the UN and down the rabbit hole I went!!.. It's good to be free! Enjoy your freedom!!
@southernbawselady70926 жыл бұрын
Abigail Parker - awesome!.. I was raised in the Org from 7 years old (40+ years)...I didn't know anything else!.. (Father an Elder and mother a pioneer)... so you know it has been challenging! But, freedom is so sweet!!! 💯💯
@gregfuller90596 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! It's a huge mind F to leave "the troof." Identity crisis, anger at having been a fool, waisted years, depression and anxiety. 100% worth it! I love Cedars because he notices what I've noticed my whole life. I was just glad that I wasn't the only one to see what I was seeing.
@Clubamerica2176 жыл бұрын
I just had my judicial meeting. I told them about the apostate definition. They said it doesn’t apply to any religion because it’s not the “true” religion. I started laughing. One funny part is that they tried to compare me to Cain for letting bad thoughts into my mine. So I said about the false prophets like Russel and Rutherford for saying bad dates but said that didn’t apply lol they are all delusional. Thanks Lloyd for the vids!
@Canalbiruta3 жыл бұрын
I know right... Had my judicial meeting because i drank half a bottle of vodka with a friend (ministry servent), and when i bring up the fact that rutherford was an acoholic, the said the same thing "it doesn't apply". And i was using the argument because i had hope they would prove me wrong or show me that i was being stupid... Instead they cemented my doubts and i woke up. 1 year and a half now.
@gennaropannelli71382 жыл бұрын
Si sirifanno alla Bibbia e poi adottano la propria giustizia ,la giustizia del momento secondo i propri pensieri .
@gennaropannelli71382 жыл бұрын
@@Canalbiruta Sul piatto della giustizia dovevi mettere le bottigli di ENTONI MORRIS ,COMUNQUE TUTTE LE BOTTIGLIE NON CI STAVANO SULLA BILANCIA .DA L'ITALIA SALUTI E BUONA VITA A TUTTI SECONDO I VOSTRI DESIDERI.
@ajr66822 жыл бұрын
they are not a religion you cant apostate from a non profit corporation
@Boarwater6 жыл бұрын
Since we're talking about apostates, john I'd like to say thanks for making videos I had left jws before I saw you but your videos helped me to get over that fear and guilt the organisation hard wires into your mind, just coming up on my fourth year since leaving :)
@LloydEvans6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! So glad my videos have helped get rid of the fear. :)
@itiswhatitis80306 жыл бұрын
So true! Discovered him as well after leaving and it has made things so much easier for me. Logic and truth, so much more comforting than “the” truth.
@keineahnung746 жыл бұрын
The cult is bleeding.
@TheTalkNTarotShow5 жыл бұрын
Bad!!!💯💯💯
@yousuck785why4 жыл бұрын
Let it bleed so people may become free.
@Kelnor2774 жыл бұрын
If only they'd take a transfusion.
@williamsawyer98946 жыл бұрын
After listening to this video, I am tempted to embrace "Gangrene" as my existential nickname on the internet.
@georgeorwell15956 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lloyd and all other TOTT kinda people here, I am still trying hard to keep my family, my wife knows I'm fully against now, I even spoke with an elder about the child abuse thing and how it affected me (hoping he would know but he didn't). I explained I had some doubts about things to him also. My wife wanted to have our ministry group over for dinner after going d2d (i really hated to do it knowing the real truth, i felt like a hypocrite but I love my family more). I noticed by words being used at the dinner that they knew about my doubts (i am no paranoid person but very observative, the word doubt came along too many times and I received some lectures). I hated that moment I realize I am under the loop. I just hope this won't break my family apart. I am trying so hard to fade ... Lloyd, please keep doing this work, it is very important, for some it takes a long time being awake to gather the courage to finally exit.
@dlepuno4 жыл бұрын
Do not fear men,they've got nothing to give you ,just be courageous and fade, you do not owe them your explanation,just do it man you'll never regret it.It's the greatest decision i ever made and i feel so good that i finally did it.
@lt53146 жыл бұрын
hi. I recognise this elder’s voice and i know the congregation. i can confirm lots don’t attend, even elders’ family members. i myself are on the way out but can’t do it suddenly for fear of losing family. I’ve never been more convinced that the religion is on the way out. it’s so bad.
@CC-zk4nc6 жыл бұрын
L T the Holy Spirit has left them please Catlito Vida if you want
@maebee236 жыл бұрын
L T hope you've made it out now x
@debbiebowles9146 жыл бұрын
Lt i m 1 of the 20 who left my dad is still in the hall it is Bishopauckland and Doug Urquart who gave that vile talk about us it was a marking talk but was given without any of us being visited or spoken to so they didnt even follow their own procedure we all get shunned because of this talk 🙄
@ucanleaveyourhaton4 жыл бұрын
Debbie Bowles , ummm , did you read Lloyd’s post at the top of the comments ?? Unless I’m mistaken, He clearly stated that he wanted to keep the location details private, for the sake of individuals involved. 😱
@melanielee72284 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lloyd from the bottom of my heart, for all of your hard work! You are a voice of sanity in all this crazy chaos of this evil cult! Its been destroying my family since 1974. Their shunning and dividing us resulted in 2 of my siblings suicides. My brother in 2011 and my sister in 2014. Today there are only 2 of us left out of a family of 6. Its just my jw mom and my apostate self. I left this nightmare at age 12, moved to my non jw fathers house. I started refusing to go to meetings or out in service and i was NOT going to get baptized like the whole congregation was already expecting me to. I am 55 yrs old today and my mom has pretty much shunned most of my life, until 9 yrs ago 2011. In 2011 after the 1st death, which was my brothers suicide she stopped her silence. She claims its ok now since i was never baptized. What changed? 😢 She is all i have left. She is a sprite healthy 78 yr old who they have brainwashed for the last 46 yrs. I am now 55. I can't reach her. Where do i even start? She will not let me talk about anything that could lead back to WTs bullshit. Ive become extremely worried she may cut me off again. Im worried she would do anything they tell her to. Im worried that as the real 'truth' keeps exposing WT and as the sexual abuse lawsuits keep piling up that those 8 GB con men will tell them to drink the koolaid or swallow a pill. As you know the GB has told them to obey whatever they are told, even if it goes against their human ability to understand. Things are closing in on those 8 bastards and they know it. I would be very appreciative of any advice any of you ex jws apostates can give me. 💔
@dianesicgala43105 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. 20 people leaving I one Kingdom Hall.
@rOb18424 жыл бұрын
Lloyd your reasoning is sweet music to my ears. I was brought up in the JWs so had no choice but left when I was 14, my Mother and brother are still such believers and refuse to listen to any little fact I bring up. So have to leave it alone but I love your channel it has even opened my eyes even more than ever. Appreciate the great work and research.
@lukegiles61286 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that the speaker latches on to the celebration of Halloween. I've personally never met an ex-JW who left the organisation for the freedom to celebrate Halloween. Some may subsequently celebrate it as they gain freedom from the organisation, but it's hardly a pivotal argument. Such arguments make dissenters sound ridiculous and nit-picky, when in fact for many there are strong conscientious reasons for distancing themselves from the teachings of Watchtower. The very idea that concern about handling abuse allegations is churlish 'obsession' is a similar, though more serious, tactic.
@LloydEvans6 жыл бұрын
Yes, of all the arguments that weren't really arguments at all, that was among the lamest. :)
@Kauldrin5 жыл бұрын
I am not, nor ever have been, a JW. But, I am very thankful to have come across your channel over these last few months. Your videos have been highly enlightening about the true nature of the JW faith and have deepened my sympathy for those still trapped within it. I dearly hope that when I next encounter any of them that I can use this new knowledge to help them break free. Keep up the good work.
@frankmahavolich70226 жыл бұрын
If JW are not allowed to even listen even a little bit to apostates how can they keep giving talks telling people what apostates are saying? How would they know? Why the double standard for the common JW and the elite? Just like the convention video berating the family that moved into a fancy apartment when the JW had recently also built fancy new headquarters.
@phoenixmoon55806 жыл бұрын
Also, how can they then also encourage (like you are 'encouraged' if a weapon is directed at you with the threat of using it occurring!) the congregations to then preach and encourage unbelievers and apostates? Don't the two of them look identical? How could you tell an apostate from an unbeliever?
@hgiurlando12046 жыл бұрын
Frank Mahavolich
@lklarner6 жыл бұрын
Frank Mahavolich because the Governing Body is bullet proof. The regular JW can’t even trust themselves to open a letter, they are to throw it directly into the trash without reading it. When I got out I used the example to my family that I would not even go to a movie without consulting a movie review before I spent my money on one, why then would I not also do the same with a religion that I was raised in. I was now going to be raising my kids in this religion and really had not had a great experience with the organization so far so I felt I had a right to do a bit of research for the future of my children and quite frankly for myself and my marriage which was failing because of the stress put on us from the organization.
@lklarner6 жыл бұрын
Lloyd the only problem. I have is that I wish you would give me, an ex Jehovah’s witness and currently a believer in Christ, a break from your atheist beliefs and stick to the important issues of helping JW’s break free and exposing the organization so that I can share your material as unbiased. I have found the that when people leave they either lose all faith and are atheists or they have a true love for God and go on to study the Bible and find the truth there. Either way in response to such a shock and trauma we have been thru is just where we are right now and hopefully we are both living happily and trying to heal from the past. My past was especially hard because like so many I went to the elders with my sexual abuse story and was not even heard. I so appreciate your material your provide and your sense of humor, I am a huge fan. My dad and I have a small apologetic ministry and are trying to decide what way we want to go here near by Green Bay, Wisconsin, USA. We get referrals thru the church from family members and or friends that get involved with the JW’s.
@karinesmith1646 жыл бұрын
exactly franck,well said
@johngum71586 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Lloyd! Spot on analysis of the points raised. I was actually discussing a lot of these points with my dad yesterday over the phone - he agrees with our side of the argument and I actually believe he is waking up himself. I'll be sending him the link to this video after I post this comment. As a side point, I was actually labelled as gangrenous during my own apostasy trial 6 months ago.:) Please keep up the fantastic work which is helping so many!
@CC-zk4nc6 жыл бұрын
John Gum great news about your Father hope he makes it please watch Carlito Vida if you want too
@johngum71586 жыл бұрын
Jersey St Helier Thanks so much- will definitely check that channel out. Re my dad, he's just finished reading CoC and, judging by our daily phone calls, is now 99% awake. Amazing what 2 weeks of research with an open mind can accomplish! If only my wife could now do the same.....
@truthseeker-jwnightmares43516 жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to say about picketing Apostates..... I know that every single one of you is doing what you believe is the best way to reach people. I want to make 2 points: 1. Personally, I started waking up because of seeing a shocking act of activism. I think the shock of it made the event play over and over in my mind until suddenly... I realized what the "Apostates" were saying was true: The generation of 1914 is dead! It was a picketing Apostate involved in this congregation in northern UK.... He was the reason for this talk. 2. It was 2 years ago that I really started asking questions.... it was the John Cedars channel that was instrumental in helping me de-program from Watchtower indoctrination. I love your simple reasoning and especially at first starting to wake up..... I needed to prove that watchtower was indeed NOT the truth beyond any reasonable doubt. This channel as well as others gave me several different perspectives to come to that life changing conclusion. I hope that my experience illustrates the reality of different, even opposed ideologies about waking up JW's, being quite affective. And also about not judging anyone.... I believe without question that everyone working to expose the watchtower are doing it in what they believe is the most effective manner. I have so much respect for the work EVERYONE is doing. I can see in just the last couple of years that the Ex-JW community has taken the upper hand and watchtower is on the ropes. Entire families are waking up... Now it looks like entire congregations...
@stacyyoust3 жыл бұрын
I always questioned wedding rings and got unsatisfying answers like, 'well they help protect people from being hit on...' Not in my experience they don't
@lindayeager31266 жыл бұрын
Yes, your right, after 60 yrs in this cult and woke up 5yrs ago cant convince my brother to get out even though he knows there are so many things that dont jive anymore but yes they are afraid and he doesn't what to admit that he waisted his whole life on this conplete con game , its terrible mind control and fear , and he has a mental block so strong he refuses to see it ,also doesn't want to luse all his relatives. Also there flip flopping and cognitive dissonance they put on peoples minds is what keeps them so mind controlled , they really do see black is white and white is black, by the way his 45 year old son who he tryed to bully all this crap in his mind for 45 yrs and never suceeded, finally killed himself last year on april the first ,sending a message to my brother that he always felt like a joke and a fool in my brothers eyes , it was very sad , he just could never get my brother to see his side ,and I hold the org, responsible because my brother and his wife and rest of the family are really fanatics and refused to see his way of choosing to live .I on the other hand was more balanced as to what my children decided to choose as to how they wanted to live there life and wasn't as fanatical, so the cult can and has had a divastating affect on many families and they act like its no big deal when it comes to abusing the kids emotionally, its very sad , glad I woke up , hope my daughter and son in law does soon .
@stellawil6 жыл бұрын
Linda Yeager I just woke up recently. I turned 40 last year
@t-streetmusicstudio67496 жыл бұрын
Great Video John😀 your right that so many people are leaving. In still in but only to keep an eye on what’s going on inside. Keep up the good work.
@skate56446 жыл бұрын
Of course the apostates give a new hope for the future...mine is that Watchtower will go bankrupt and fall and millions including me will get their families back before they die !
@alyssawoodman4 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@Morna7775 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how people who have come out of cults deal with decision making after having so few options most of their lives.
@hannahc33173 жыл бұрын
You also have a lot more time when you're not spending 20+ hours a week of meetings and reading and study.
@ReannaRiddle6 жыл бұрын
I’ve been out of the religion for 7 years now but finding your channel has been incredibly therapeutic and has given closure on the guilt and mental state you leave a cult with, especially if you were indoctrinated as a child. I had no idea the true history of the organisation, it’s hard not to feel totally lied to and betrayed by the adults who I grew up around but I am thankful I never got baptised. I’ve been binge watching for a week now and the more I see the better I feel.
@LloydEvans6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Reanna. I'm so glad that watching the channel has been therapeutic for you! :)
@t_m_4206 жыл бұрын
Your dog is even appalled by this talk!
@CC-zk4nc6 жыл бұрын
Lost In Wonderland lol even animals know bless them
@t_m_4206 жыл бұрын
Jersey St Helier Haha, so true!
@ASUFAN-4 жыл бұрын
The 63 dislikes are people that can't be reasoned with.
@Ontheroad136 жыл бұрын
2 new videos in two days!!! Let me refill my coffee!
@kevinskogmo45096 жыл бұрын
Tattooed and proud of it.!!!would never set foot in a kingdom hall!!!!!!this is a shame based religion. this is why people are leaving by the droves!!!!Who wants to be a witness and ruin your life?oh,me. Me me!!!!!
@rafaelrivera26145 жыл бұрын
This letter will back fire. Telling people to stay away from social media will just peak their Curiosity even further.
@bruderk42575 жыл бұрын
Not inside JW
@superdave12632 жыл бұрын
I remember being publicly reproved in 1987. I was trying to attempt a come back, but on a Sunday morning I was attending the public talk and Watchtower study. When the meeting ended I went to leave, but noticed I had a flat tire. As others were leaving the meeting, I was dressed in a suit and tie changing a flat tire. All the witnesses leaving glanced over and saw me struggling to change a tire, however, not a single witness offered to help. I was standing in a completely empty parking lot thinking to myself, “How the f’k did I make friends like this?” I changed the tire and never came back. Agapè love at its finest!
@terencelutre61956 жыл бұрын
In 1988 in Siracusa - Sicily/Italy, the entire body of elders and its 70 members of a congregation voluntarily abandoned the Organization in 'mass disassociation', All without youtube.
@daisyjune51356 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Tarditi I went to an Italian congregation in northern NJ USA and they are so brainwashed. The elders do nothing but lie and slander and no one says anything! They are such cowards! Do you remember why the elders and the members in Sicily left the congregation?
6 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Tarditi do you have proof of this or bearing false witness? Exactly. You’re a bad person.
@terencelutre61956 жыл бұрын
Flagellodeglidei2 - is the name of the channel-testimoni di Geova disassociazione in massa a Siracusa- is the name of the title. On youtube. Here it explains why they did it. The video is in Italian though
@exploremoreoutdoors94436 жыл бұрын
judgmental much?
@julespetyt69306 жыл бұрын
howdo- just found you- reccomended by a friend. Im an ex JW out 25 yearsish- rational, secular, atheist etc. Ive been looking at JWs again recently after looking at more the big picture for a long time, and forgetting/recovering from/ them. It's very shocking to see what is going on now. I feel so sorry for all of the people that they have deluded..
@LloydEvans6 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel. Thanks for checking out the videos. I hope you find them helpful! :)
@julespetyt69306 жыл бұрын
thanks- interesting stuff
@maebee236 жыл бұрын
When I left in 2007 I completely refused to think about the religion (at first I was still scared that it might be the truth but I couldn't live the life anymore). I raised my kids and went to Uni (which my jw mother is actually really proud of, strangely). I still didn't question anything about the way I was raised although I now didn't believe the teachings. It wasn't until I stumbled across a KZbin video about a year ago that I realised that I had unresolved trauma from my experiences in the organisation and after I left. Watching the videos have been cathartic for me and have helped heal me from hurt and confusion that I didn't realise I was still carrying
@ratta20066 жыл бұрын
Nice work!...20 x 20 x 20 gonna be big numbers very soon! No one will be left...You know when you tell someone not to do something...thats exactly what they wont do!..They will want to check this out!...This talk may backfire on them... You are doing some great work!
@stevejeffries16036 жыл бұрын
John you are relentless at exlposing Watchtower and what you put together is good I appreciate it thankyou
@Creatusnow6 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy Jesus is a apostate to, he died because he had different believes then Gods people. All the rabbi's where trowing the first stones.
@comp1636 жыл бұрын
He also had to appear before a judicial committee....
@nikitasalvatore44246 жыл бұрын
Creatus Best. Comment. Ever.!!! I actually can't wait 2 use that at some point, thanks 4 that, it's absolutely indisputable
@zamookie256 жыл бұрын
Amen
@jjjohnnie92455 жыл бұрын
Ok yes
@roblloyd84534 жыл бұрын
Creatus He had different beliefs than (The others). Than = comparative / comparison.
@ivybaby666 жыл бұрын
How many times do believers need to witness a false prediction before they realize that this is all a bunch of bullsh!t? Astonishing...excellent rebuttal Lloyd...i continue to be fascinated by this topic of cult indoctrination and the efforts of former members to try and help those still brainwashed to 'wake up'...you are literally saving lives and i applaud your efforts!
@saraabraham54866 жыл бұрын
Wow, 20 left at one time! That's a great number; May it continue throughout as time pass!!!!
@gregsoddworld6 жыл бұрын
I'm quite insulted being called malicious and disaffected. When I disassociated myself I was very careful not to unduly influence my former friends and family. Before I disassociated I even called some of my former friends to explain my reasons and to offer my continued friendship. Although I check in from time to time with them it hurts that they never contact me in return. I feel so sorry and sad for them to be stuck in this manipulative and unloving cult.
@gayle2286 жыл бұрын
Thanks John for another remarkable coverage and exposure and reminding us, we are adults , we can reach our own conclusions... keep up the good work, shining light on good works and truths..
@WitnessForJesus6 жыл бұрын
Aha! I’m delighted that so many JW are leaving from my area of the world! I’ve personally spoken with local JW families so everyone’s efforts are paying off 😁
@T120RT6 жыл бұрын
Bang on, Lloyd! Keep the heat on WT. You are as entertaining as you are informative, even though you're not as easy on the eyes as Susan Gaskin. LOL.
@saraabraham54866 жыл бұрын
Just this week, Three major newspaper in England had major stories about Pedophilia in the Organization! The Story is on youtube for those who want to learn about it.
@mikeyjohn99036 жыл бұрын
sara Abraham which three major newspapers are they please?
@maegs19826 жыл бұрын
Wow. Hearing this kinda crap makes me so angry. I can see this talk being duplicated at a convention next summer. They are sneaky these guys. Pretty much just telling witnesses not to give ear to these arguments and labelling then rubbish before the individual even gets a chance to really hear them. This really devastates me when I hear these kind of talks. I think of my poor mom.. sometimes she says something that gives me hope that she's waking up as she's "discouraged" and doesn't attend all the meetings. But then she goes to a meeting and comes back saying crap like this and I feel like I've just been shot.. and my hopes of her waking up are again shattered. It's this kind of sick propaganda.. it's just so maddening and depressing at the same time :(
@camillef94716 жыл бұрын
Hi, I really feel you, my parents are the same. it makes me so angry to see the bullshit they blindly believe! If you wanna talk about this I'd be happy to, we all need to support each other :)
@barbarahedges17916 жыл бұрын
Now their preaching is to tell people to go to their web site. Starting in Jan of 2018 their door to door work will be to warn people we are half way through the tribulation and Armageddon in imminent. to be saved they have to join the JW organization. LOL This time they didn't set an exact date like they have always done in the past.
@adechalus6 жыл бұрын
Meg, I agree 100%. The same with my mother. She would say the same thing...she's "discouraged" but then go back.
@darlenepatrick46196 жыл бұрын
Meg, my mom is the same. She'll call me after not hearing from me in weeks and then flip the switch later stating she's not suppose to be talking to me. After so many years of this I now hit her back with I don't call you, you call me. She never has an answer.
@timstar51506 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, reminds me how elders seem to be picked for their boring voices, or maybe it's just the subject matter. I snored through many a conventional! BTW, can you please call your next book "Seven blokes in New York".
@catmeow3334 жыл бұрын
46:10 Did I hear him correctly ? “an obsession with child safeguarding issues” ? “the disfellowshipping policy” “financial topics” .....The internal machinery is warning members not to listen to concerns about the unscriptural practices of the organization.
@astralclub59646 жыл бұрын
Re appearance and beards. Didn’t Charles Taze Russell wear a beard? How do they address that incongruity?
@Geohovahs_Hand6 жыл бұрын
Beards were cool when Russel was around, and not so much after he died, primarily due to the opinions of the one and only Joseph Rutherford. Rutherford believed that Brothers who wore beards, and especially in the style of Russel's beard, ie the old-school minus the mustache look, were performing a form of "Cult of Personality" worship towards Russel. And that belief got his egotistical panties in a bunch so to speak. This and genuine ultra-conservative contempt for "hippie style" facial hair in the 60s and 70s has made beard wearing JW males, especially in the United States, a real rarity.
@Geohovahs_Hand6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Indeed. Don't forget that not only was he obsessed with Biblical chronology and numerology leading to the whole 1975 Jubilee of Mankind/Adams 6000 year birthday/Armageddon fiasco, he also was the undisputed King of the Types and Antitypes. In other words, he was really good at looking at any simple historical narrative in the Bible and automatically assuming that it had deeper meaning which foreshadowed events in modern times. Its really quite sad that Watchtower no longer has Pseudo-Theologians like him, or "Bigger than life" personalities like Rutherford, or Russel around anymore. But then again, there still is, and probably always will be, an abundance of delusional men in authority in the organization who love to get their panties in a bunch over ridiculous things. I once knew of a District Overseer, who for whatever reason, objected to having kingdom songs played at a lower volume in the background at KH halls prior to and after the meetings. (this is now encouraged in the organizations literature) I also knew a CO who stated in so many words to all of the Elders and M.S.s at a meeting that they had no business serving in positions of responsibility if they were not reading every issue of the WT & Awake magazine cover-to-cover. And this was back in the day when there was 2 issues of each printed every month! Now Tony Morris says at the Annual Meeting that if you can't keep up with all of the literature, you are not a horrible person. Whew! What a relief!
@roberttice6 жыл бұрын
What is reappearance
@astralclub59646 жыл бұрын
Robert Tice “Re” is a common abbreviation that means “in reference to”.
@roberttice6 жыл бұрын
Rick Pyle miss read it.
@natsdad3006 жыл бұрын
Listening to that speaker, no wonder they have lost 20
@NunoBett6 жыл бұрын
Regarding the piercing: an earring is good, but not a piercing in the nose? I'm still searching on the Bible for the verse explaining why one is bad and not the other.
@sarahwaters10sw4 жыл бұрын
Isaac had a nose ring put on rebecca when he married her
@jackhammer23824 жыл бұрын
The Bible approves nose rings and beards
@albechumaceiro51235 жыл бұрын
The key is to Unite as a movement around the glove, because they are the strongst cult around the best organised and most money.
@lynngardner33306 жыл бұрын
I loved this video, everything is exposed. People need to think for themselves and open their eyes before they sacrifice their entire lives for nothing.
@ninpadin80085 жыл бұрын
I recently found out something very disturbing. From a family member that today is a elder. When he was younger he would have young boys do inappropriate things to him even family members. Some of these kids lived as adults have been clearly affected by this. How can a religion let things like that happen and not do anything about it. Who can tell he if still doing this.
@albechumaceiro51235 жыл бұрын
Teremendous reasoning by you young the Holy Spirit is with you
@TarquinMelnyk6 жыл бұрын
Nice. Keep the GB on the run. They’re reacting more and more. It’s funny, the early con artists like Russell and Rutherford had a certain charisma. I just don’t see that ability in their current leaders to do something brilliant to stem the tide against them. Tony seems the most bullish, but he’s more boorish than anything.
@jehovahshotwitch47766 жыл бұрын
Oh if only they would listen to you. Your kind, caring, respectful approach, John, could very well be salve, "ointment" smeared on gaping open, raw wounds Watchtower scorches its members with under the bloody ax stabbing cruel, anti-Christ policies.
@jasonsmith52264 жыл бұрын
Lloyd is the man, he is so good at destroying Watchtowers arguments...WITH THEIR OWN PUBLICATIONS! The blood transfusion ban, the 2 witness rule-dealing with criminal acts,& many other things aren't supported by the Bible. But they can at least twist, add to,& take away verses, to justify their nonsense. Even though it's clearly taken out of context, in a completely transparent,& ludicrous way-if you kow the Bible at all. But when you use their own words,& publications against them, they really have no comeback. This is why they try their best to keep JWs from seeing old issues. And great response to people who say you, as an atheist are taking away people's hope. As you said, you don't just give people hope in something you don't believe, just to make them feel good. That's what got them in trouble in the 1st place. I know some are 2ns, or 3rd generation. But the truth about the truth is what's important. And we kow TTATT is that it's dishonest. I've never heard Lloyd say he knows theres no God,& he has all the answers. He says he sees no evidence of a God,& therefore doesn't believe. And he's right-there is no proof. On the flip side, nobody can disprove God,& I don't think he disputes that. What's important is you know the rock solid proof that this cult is untrue. What belief you do, or don't have in God, is up to the individual. I get a lot out of these videos,& respect Lloyds atheist beliefs. But it doesn't affect my own belief in God. I believe because of things I've experienced, but I can't prove it,& don't expect anybody to just believe me. I am a non denominational Christian, who believes in God,& Jesus-but not so much in manmade religion. I have my beliefs, but don't know that if I'm right, or not. Maybe I'm right, o maybe Lloyd is right. Or maybe we are both wrong,& some other religion is right. But what I can say is fact, is the Jehovah Witnesses are a false religion,& destructive cult. Their tactics, deceit, hypocrisy,& constantly changing,& covering up old beliefs, is the proof. And whether you think the Bible,& Jesus were right or wrong, is for you to decide. But it's an absolute provable fact that JW doctrine isn't supported by Jesus, or the Bible. And is often contradicted by both. Despite their claims, they worship those Pharisees in NY,& the corrupt organization, they dominate. Definitely not Jesus, or Jehovah. Great job always Lloyd. Doesn't matter that you are atheist, I believe you are doing God's work, helping these poor cult members.
@gregfuller90596 жыл бұрын
Keen observations as usual. I'm waiting for the GB to have the predictions vs prophecy's talk regarding Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Followed by a stern warning talk entitled "Semantics Mean Everlasting Life." LOL!
@jehovahshotwitch47766 жыл бұрын
Love your hour long videos!!
@nancynightingale62676 жыл бұрын
Jan. 14, 2018, Sunday, 4:39 pm, San Diego, California: Kudos to you, John ! Just found your youtube channel and LOVE it. You are doing such a good job in all of your videos. I was baptized Mormon in 1984 back in New York. Haven't been active in over 6 yrs, and have no plans on attending ever again. I hear sooooo many familiar behaviors in JW church that match the LDS (Latter Day Saint) church. Cults are cults are cults. They all operate the same way. Blind following, don't question, blah blah blah. The rule of JW church of "must have 2 witnesses to child sexual abuse, rape of an adult" is insane. No pedophile is going to sexually violate a child in front of other "normal" people. Unbelievable. The JW and LDS churches both claim membership climbing, when the TRUTH is the opposite. I said, outloud, during this video when you mentioned 20 JWs left the northern branch. Yeaaaaaa ! Applause Applause Applause !!! And, yes, try to interview any of those 20 who left....when it's "safe" for them to do so. I would love to hear what they were put through.
@mikebaker84996 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos yet Loyd! Amazingly done! Bravo
@cwoodswalker46466 жыл бұрын
More lies from the platform... no surprises here. Thanks for sharing!
@astralclub59646 жыл бұрын
Do you think the JW’s will ever get their Leah Remini?
@Glasstable20116 жыл бұрын
Rick Pyle unfortunately Michael Jackson and Prince are both dead
@sierramobley89626 жыл бұрын
Well, the good news is even if they don't get a famous exJW to represent them like Leah is doing for Scientology, it's ok bc Leah is taking on the JWs in the mess ff season of Scientology and the Aftermath 😀 so no matter what, they will get their Leah Remini😂😀
@sierramobley89626 жыл бұрын
*next, lol auto correct
@timekeeper25386 жыл бұрын
+Sierra B Really? When is that gonna be? I have to watch that!!
@karenabrams89865 жыл бұрын
It’s wonderful isn’t it?! I love Leah Remini!!!!!
@barbaramullins42335 жыл бұрын
"building our faith takes years" that us better said "indoctrination takes years...which is why we demand that you sacrifice absolutely ALL of your time to listen to ONLY the WT". Yes, unfortunately, it can take a lifetime
@marinawilliams81106 жыл бұрын
The part in the talk about apostates and "satan's" media attacking "god's" people, and the cop-out - "what else can we expect", are so maddening. The catholic church could use the same excuse then when their were rightly maligned during the scandals when it emerged about their bad handling of abuse; however, the witnesses at the time enjoyed reeling about it as it was a talking point at the preaching door.
@TeresaRust6 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video...I learn so much from your explanations of WT speak...:)
@greghinkle61385 жыл бұрын
Very interesting talk Lloyd. Your right, if it’s the truth it should stand on its own two feet, and handle any scrutiny. It’s incredible the amount of control Watchtower employs. Thanks again
@suzannelafontaine40895 жыл бұрын
Thank u so much for opening the eyes of people all over the world. I'm from Canada, Quebec precisely and had study bible with jw for years but never got baptised. Over these years i observed them and notice so many weird behaviors and non sense resonning thing that i could'nt decide myself to get baptised. 6 month ago i saw your video about child abuse and decide to desociate myself with them.
@bluhaiku79376 жыл бұрын
As a child, seeing apostates planted my first seeds of doubt. Hall invasions like 11/5 were peaceful albeit scary to the jw, but can be effective in planting many seeds at once. This type of activism helps people waking up to find channels like yours. I respect your opinion on hall invasions, but believe multiple types of activism are necessary to bring people out of the borg. True, some jw's will become more resolute...but the younger ones are more likely to go online and find TTATT. The WatchTumble is crumbling under the weight of all activism.
@emilyhall66325 жыл бұрын
Blu Haiku p
@Penningtontj5 жыл бұрын
With the bit at 1:05:50 to 1:06:50 I just have to say that doesn't seem "spiritual" to me? I don't know, I mean I know I have all the spirituality of your average house brick but that (very laudable) sentiment seems opposite to the notions of spirituality I've gathered from what I've heard and been given as much as they've made any sense. Spirituality always seemed very self-centered, glorifying ignorance of the world while also holding up fabrications of it as some kind of "ultimate truth". It never seemed to be about anything more than the person and their connection to whatever. Their eternity. Their sanctity. Their perfection. It always seemed to end up being all about the individual and the world can burn for all they cared. I know not everyone is like this, and you can reach such attitudes without appeals to spirituality, but honestly that's all spirituality has ever looked like to me and idea of wanting the best future for, well, the people of the future and wanting them to expand out into the universe and expand their knowledge of that universe seems like a polar opposite of spirituality.
@philipwest45535 жыл бұрын
In the Catholic Church "excommunication" means that a person is no longer in communion with Christ and hence ought not receive the Holy Eucharist - which is called Holy Communion - but Catholics do not shun former members. It's possible that a notorious person engaged in child abuse of other heinous crimes may be shunned by some or even many but it is not a policy of the Church to shun family and friends because they have deviated on some matter of doctrine or engaged in conduct that some consider worldly.
@anavreeland63976 жыл бұрын
So glad that my family has awaken from the Witness brain washing.Enough is enough lol Great video
@jeneb526 жыл бұрын
It's always more tolerable with your rebuttals, and funny cause I just posted some news articles on FB about the cult. They have no power over me or what I do and post! So keep up the great work that you do, I too feel spiritual not religious.
@TheTalkNTarotShow5 жыл бұрын
I agree about holidays with pegan origins but birthdays are no diférent that marriage anniversaries, they are BOTH celebrations of life or an anniversary of life! One is a birth and the other is a birth starting a new life smh it took me my whole life to realize this..
@mikeyjohn99036 жыл бұрын
Lloyd your rebuttal to this disgusting talk is excellent thank you.and that verse in deut is powerful to point out.
@brianblessing84944 жыл бұрын
What i find so amazing is that people are protected against anyone from putting or mentioning a name yet elders can do what ever they please there is no proper appeals process within the organization so that anyone that feels they've been wrongly treated by the elders can not really do much at all and as we know you can't or not supposed to take any legal action as they say do not take your brother to court so total and utter domination by the Watchtower and their henchmen.
@williamsawyer98946 жыл бұрын
Lloyd, at 21:03 you grinned, but didn't mention the orator's slip of the tongue; There is a paralyzed world-wide work going on (amending paralyzed it to unparalleled). Apparently, the speaker is a bad liar.
@dianacryder75236 жыл бұрын
william sawyer Freudian slip? Maybe someone should contact this guy and help him find the door.
@williamsawyer98946 жыл бұрын
Diana Cryder, I call it a FRAUDIAN slip?
@matthias50486 жыл бұрын
To your point about former JW’s being “Timid” about the label apostate, it is true, but for a different reason than stated. I believe that for many who leave the organization but remain Christian believers, the main issue is the way in which the Watchtower leadership has appropriated the Biblical sense of apostatizing, (one who rejects God and Christ) and applied it to any who reject the teachings of a man-made organization as if they are one and the same thing. They are not. I know this is a distinction emphasized by Ray Franz, Jim Penton, Ron Frye, Peter Gregerson, Ed Dunlap and many others who left the organization but remained in the Christian faith.
@thisguy29174 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. Ironic isn't it that it's the apostate that's willing to scrutinize information yet the owners of "truth" sprint desperately away from it as this ridiculous talk evidently shows
@william27726 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all you do John.
@Kelnor2774 жыл бұрын
People that don't receive transfusions during surgery, have better outcomes. Is like saying: Fighter pilots that don't deploy their parachutes during flight have higher rates of getting back on the ground alive.
@arit80096 жыл бұрын
for a minute there I read apostate as a prostate...
@anthonymalfino12 жыл бұрын
Welp Lloyd I am gonna have to watch this one again for some dates that I know are true. Keep on keeping on brother. I am sure I'm on the radar
@angierose10764 жыл бұрын
The irony in these kinds of talk is what lead me to check them out lol.
@jamieterrell2896 жыл бұрын
Though you are Atheist, reading between the lines, I notice you respect Jesus teachings very much. Its hard to not agree with his teachings.
@solasrune42876 жыл бұрын
They have discontinued the yearbook I believe
@FluWorldOrder6 жыл бұрын
A calculated decision to discontinue the YEAR BOOK so that the numbers of new members, Kingdom Halls being built or closing, decreases of membership and those taking the emblems cannot be monitored. Not only is this so that accurate records are not available but essentially it is for financial reasons. Reducing the magazine sizes, how often they are printed and discontinue the year book will make drastic savings.
@coronawoman6 жыл бұрын
Wow, I agree that they are terrified and scrambling!!!!
@BookBurd3 жыл бұрын
Not too long ago I saw a clip in your videos of one of the members of the governing body saying it’s too bad they can’t execute members of the family or congregation who become apostates…would anyone be so kind as to let me know which of Lloyd’s videos have this clip? My best friend growing up, both of us born in and both of us having left, is thinking of going back to the organization and I’m trying with all my might to prevent this from happening.
@superdave12632 жыл бұрын
Why make the second greatest mistake of your life. Going back is like committing slow suicide!
@BlackFlagHeathen2 жыл бұрын
I’d also like to add that the word “apostate” is from a Greek word that means “runaway slave.” I’d say being a runaway slave from Jehovah’s Witnesses is something to be damn proud of.
@Faithinhim76 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how anyone could possibly want to join another religion after leaving JWs. The experience taught me to question everything and from a young age it was clear all religion is bogus. Use the insights you've gained to help others and help humanity move in a better direction away from the lies of theocracy...
@GreaterSolomon5 жыл бұрын
Jesus said, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life.’ He never said anything about an organisation or man made rules. Religion is what you have when you don’t have Christ.
@zachgordon3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting, you know it. One would think that a group that calls itself the truth wouldn't be so afraid of the truth. As the old saying goes, "know the truth, and, the shall set one free." Once someone knows the truth about the truth they can go back to having the blinders on.
@lynngardner33306 жыл бұрын
Yep it’s all part of their control. They don’t want others to know what HAS happened to many who left.
@dougcz96763 жыл бұрын
what book was it that the founder used the measurements of the inside of the spinks for the end of the world?
@TheDrinkingGourd6 жыл бұрын
The key to th the organizations control is creating their own definitions for words we see this in the case of the words: apostate, love, respect, faith and so on. they also create hard-hitting phrases to label various people for example calling someone who is no longer agreeing with their position a "spiritual casualty" or referring to ones in a position of authority as "gifts in Men" and of course the good old fashioned "mentally diseased".
@eragonzaroc6 жыл бұрын
You are correct about the moral aspect. Few are the ones finding this narrow and cramped way,
@katevann98786 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another briĺliant video.
@andreadiamond71156 жыл бұрын
Another very interesting podcast Lloyd! 20 at one time! Outstanding. Shrinking like Scientology. Now that’s “Good News” 😉
@jayleneellis93086 жыл бұрын
15:01, If you kick out the people who don't survive, then it's easy to see the statistical improvement in recovery time.
@lexussykes6 жыл бұрын
When I think of Jesus now I think of how the witnesses were failing to take in one time this one's having to do with you women out there. Any of you remember the time when a woman had been bleeding for days and it was unceaseable to her. Her words to Jesus and when Jesus spoke well of her faith (as it being the very thing to heal her) the witnesses of today and the "Thanks for supporting" that now goes out to women is abominable Jesus was compassionate to all, including women and children and he did in fact respect them all. When I said what he said was, "Daughter, your faith has made you well." The host on the platform was astounded almost and said now what is it about that term "Daughter" yes the same term I spaced just so I could refresh their memories was a term of endearment. He then asked the congregation now what had it been about the word he used daughter? My friends it is in fact a term of endearment. They used to seem to me to be these kind of people now there was times when I did sin, I wasn't baptized though so I guess that might have meant the sins I'd done/felt had only allowed me in because there hadn't been an obligation of them to me.
@annwithaplan97666 жыл бұрын
I never considered myself an apostate because when I read in the original Hebrew/Aramaic translations it said there would be a "falling away" ("apostasy" in Greek). That falling away (as I believe) would be from the real truth. And since the WT was never the truth to begin with, anyone who "falls away" from that is not an apostate. : )