Andy Goldstein BELIEVES People Rate Gareth Southgate's Time As England Manager Too High! 👀😤

Andy Goldstein & Andy Townsend react to Gareth Southgate stepping down as England manager after Euro 2024.
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[@wmurray689]

He's not a winner. He's a people pleaser. He knew damn well Harry Kane wasn't fit to piay. It's actually quite scandalous.

[@user-xh9qm6xy2m]

Exactly

[@TBrl8]

Constantly picking Maguire tells the story.

[@raycope2086]

Kane knew too.

[@DannyTaylorDT]

@@TBrl8I mean it doesn’t, Maguire was constantly one of the best players in every tournament he played

[@leejohnson3068]

💯

[@hjvh78ho]

"The late nights and early mornings have been my life" hahahahaha England played like 6-10 games per year max, poor soul.

[@steveblundell7766]

Late nights and early mornings is exactly the sort of thing I would expect this administrator to focus on. If only tactics and style of play became his life he might have won something

[@Solitary_Scribe55]

God forbid if this wet fart had to work on an oil rig etc. FFS.

[@subculture2006]

He has the best part time job in the world. Any travel is first class and 5* hotels. He really is pathetic.

[@winterbird4447]

He means when he walked his dog.

[@supercriceto]

Yes but imagine having to engage Harry Kane in conversation.

[@kieranbhurut]

Southgate has been paid best part of £40m for the pleasure to part time manage a golden generation to 2nd place ✌🏽

[@redmed10]

And where we before Southgate. Try to keep a little perspective.

[@Barrettszippo]

@@redmed10 Before Southgate we had Allardyce who has a 100% win record...

[@steveblundell7766]

@@redmed10 Before Southgate we were trophyless and needed someone to start building a winning team with their own style of play. After Southgate we are trophyless and need someone to start building a winning team with their own style of play.

[@dagogogreene9155]

Spot on, Steve… 8yrs and still the same problem and they expect fans to clap

[@KINGKING10109]

For about 2 months of work a year.

[@purehyperbole5727]

The story being spun is incredible. Southgate's puppy dog eyes have really helped him. His words are a joke. Christ. He got £5 million a year and has mismanaged the team so badly.

[@Fcker-oi8ex]

Got you further than any other England manager in decades.

[@boxingmonkey8621]

I think his eyes are more like a confused squirrels with alcohol anxiety

[@akerfeldt4068]

​@Haydersublate you definitely voted Reform

[@unknowng888]

He got paid millions to fail as England manager.

[@Fcker-oi8ex]

@Haydersublate are you legal? Then you have nothing to worry about. Only the illegal boat jumpers are the issue.

[@subculture2006]

1/10......Southgate was one of the worst managers I've ever seen at this level.... A super talented squad, lucky lucky lucky easy draws, tactically clueless, too defensive, idiotic team selections and moronic in-game management.

[@DukeLemonade]

Couldn't agree with you more.

[@mikerotchburns2568]

@@subculture2006 I think Southgate’s new job will be in the mls. That’s his level.

[@subculture2006]

@@mikerotchburns2568 I guess there is a small chance a US club would be that stupid but he won't last long there. They want results in America and being good at kneeling, playing boring football and sucking up to the media won't impress them like it did the not fit for purpose FA.

[@paulacklam8888]

Englands best manager …. Fact

[@Barrettszippo]

@@mikerotchburns2568 Or Saudi. They'll love his apologetic style out there.

[@David-xy2ly]

I don’t think England fans rate him at all, games are boring to watch. No style of playing.

[@marcus883]

Agreed just like watching man utd no identity or style of play...a moments team.

[@KOBKStreak]

A few do sadly. I had a colleague comment saying they thought he did well with the players... so people are just clueless/blind.

[@nudisco7882]

​@@KOBKStreaklow self esteem - will accept anything

[@richardhillier1593]

No we don't rate him, boring boring

[@ste4392]

​@@marcus883salty

[@BigAlCapwn]

Goldstein is wrong. Statistically Sam Allardyce is England's best manager. 1 game, 1 win = 100% record

[@kingsleyo]

won one. done one. 🏃

[@irieite9666]

And Nugent is the greatest ever England striker and probably the greatest International player in history. 100% goalscoring record.

[@zeze4605]

@@irieite9666did u watch the same game i did lol where he nicked it off Defoe

[@supercriceto]

My record is the best. I never, ever lost a match as England manager. Okay, I never managed a match but that's not the point.

[@user-xh9qm6xy2m]

KING SAM

[@jlhus5615]

Only clowns will rate Southgate his been handed easy routes to finals with piss easy teams and still bottled plays the most boring football even my nan can do a better job

[@michaelmccreery8192]

Stop talking shite

[@ezeee595]

Who handed him the easy route? Would you rather play boring football and get to the final ? Or play exciting football and go out in the group games?

[@jlhus5615]

@@ezeee595 I would rather none

[@ezeee595]

@@jlhus5615 I promise you, if he had won the final nobody would be talking about boring football. Everybody would be talking about how pragmatic his approach was. Whether we like it or not, he has done better than all those who came before him in the last 50 years. England has NEVER made it to two consecutive finals in its footballing history. In many ways he did the impossible.

[@jlhus5615]

@@ezeee595 No we wouldn't because before that we should of won the last Euros back than it was more hard for us to compete with world class players like Zidane Henry and the Brazil team there shouldn't be any excuses now we shouldn't of never gave the job to Southgate aka Mr Bean

[@paulkenchington6976]

I wished the FA had ended it after the World Cup... Kane should not have played in the final . If what Walker said is correct, about the players dropping back not instructions..Why didn't we see Southgate out, shouting and signalling, move up... We handed the final to Spain on a plate.. Lucky it wasn't 4-1

[@heppolo]

Kane should not have ever played after Iceland 2016 period. Bottled a chance to go 2-0 v Croatia, bottled a UCL final with Tottenham, bottled a crucial pen v France in 2022, ghosted in two European finals. Trophy averse legend.

[@blinkin78]

@@heppolohow did harry kane bottle the champions league final to a far far superior Liverpool team who just finished the league on 97 points? To bottle something you actually have to be winning it first 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@heppolo]

​@@blinkin78i mean, Chelsea beat ManCity which won the Prem easily that season. The difference between Liverpool v Tottenham was a Divock Origi v Kane, serial winner v serial no-show

[@blinkin78]

@@heppolo I’m a liverpool fan. There was no way in a million years spurs were winning that final with or without Harry Kane. Whatever about the other stuff, your talking absolute nonsense saying anyone bottled that final. You can say Man City bottled theres, cause they were major favourites. Do you understand how it works?

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Kane only shouldn't be playing because Southgate had in Midfield. There was no outlet, so why we keep playing side to side football then back to Defence. Finally someone has come out with Goldstein pointing out the teams fact. Goldstein spot on for a change

[@bfc3057]

Southgate was paid over £5m per year for his sacrifice

[@heppolo]

After tax and payments to his agent he's left with a fiver.

[@bfc3057]

@@heppolo no

[@purehyperbole5727]

Poor some out for the rich failure.

[@heppolo]

​@@bfc3057these agents are damn costly these days like you wouldn't believe, they make the football not the players and managers

[@markredford84]

i know how the way soygate talks like hes the martyr and hes not been getting 5 million a year to travel around the world and do a part time job. He's a clown

[@jonathang8263]

The mere fact he said "everyone wants to be loved" sums up why he never won anything as a manager.

[@nudisco7882]

THIS THIS THIS!

[@willbentley8856]

god you lot are miserable gits

[@nickwilson1645]

So what sums up why no one else has won anything with England in the last 58 years?

[@lescorlett4133]

Agreed mate. As a manager and team I don't want us to be loved, I want us to be feared.

[@guitarreilly]

@mewho6592 he came 2nd twice. Better than we’ve done in 100 years bar one in 1966

[@dguitar3831]

The fact those defending Southgate base it on, 'Look how bad it was before Southgate, losing to Iceland!' Southgate tactics have barely scraped past teams that Iceland side would have beaten! And the irony is he lost to Iceland in the last tournament warm up game!

[@nudisco7882]

England's low self esteem AND arrogance a bad combination

[@steveblundell7766]

Exactly, they keep forgetting that, his team also lost to Iceland and the performance was no better than the 2016 defeat, just better players to select from

[@Bcfcuklhpwalker]

Was hogson a top class manager nope another defensive manager use to relegation battles both eddy Howe and Trollope both try to play an been promoted an survive without sitting a whole team behind the ball

[@dguitar3831]

@@Bcfcuklhpwalker yes I want Eddie Howe, he's shown he can play offensive football while also having the best defensive record in the league, was unfortunate with injuries last season. Also his ability to develop players, Anthony Gordon he got the best out of within a couple of months, and also changing Joelinton into a very good midfielder

[@adrianbennett3761]

@@dguitar3831Apparently Howe signed a new contract last year, which would mean huge compensation and he earns double what Southgate was getting, so I can’t see him as next England manager.

[@pauldon1263]

Southgate needs to come out and explain why he decided to play players out of position in a major tournament!

[@ezeee595]

Explain to whom? To all the KZbin experts?

[@charliefoxtrotter]

in current world we're living in, failure can be success yay!

[@heppolo]

Sam Ryder's Eurovision 2nd place feeling.

[@Joca497]

🤣🤣🤣 yup

[@donbrogan3158]

Participation trophies.

[@Jim90117]

This is true, even in school sports days there's no winners anymore. No wonder the country has gone down the toilet compared to most other developed nations. Feeling the pain of failure is massively helpful to development. Celebrating failure leads to more failure.

[@jglp892]

But all of you commenting on this have not even achieved a fraction of what Southgate has achieved with his life , man got paid 5 million a year , what do you bunch of successful people get paid ? 😂

[@broca246]

8.5 out of ten is INSANE! Like I keep saying football punditry is dead

[@pokemon1996ism]

Goldbridge is a wolly but at least he keeps it real

[@redzbass6254]

Yep, 'Get along Club'

[@Cespar997]

You don't "celebrate a final." You celebrate winning a final.

[@heppolo]

C'mon, Belgium celebrated 3rd place. And it was their golden generation

[@yippeeki-yay1691]

​@@heppolo- Maybe that's why their record in international tournaments is comparable or worse than ours..

[@heppolo]

@Haydersublate best Prem players are foreign. Maybe it's time to go to pre Prem restrictions and quotas for local players? Who cares about the quality, people will be watching anyways.

[@boxingmonkey8621]

@mewho6592 the Team Coach Driver would have been able to win the Euro’s with THIS Squad

[@heppolo]

@mewho6592 you absolutely right if you use standard logic. However, English players do not operate under the standard logic. With a modern generation of players a more demanding and ruthless coach could have caused troubles, players wouldn't have been happy with their time in the squad like under Southgate, it would not have been a nice and cosy environment for the egos of those millionaires.

[@ironclad57]

I don’t rate him at all. He’ll prob get a knighthood now for failing.

[@ezeee595]

Bobby Robson got one for reaching the semis in Italia 90. GS def deserves one for reaching two EURO finals in a row....AND...EURO is harder than the WC.

[@Jim90117]

I don't know how you can sit through the group stages games, Slovakia, Denmark and then thank Southgate for that. Some of the most dull, uninspired and incredibly lucky performances with incredibly lucky teams being faced. How on earth can you thank someone for sitting through that? Clearly casual fans that don't watch decent football and have absolutely no clue.

[@paulacklam8888]

We need to realise that our players ,who we think are world class,are not as good as we think they are.

[@WilsonWilson33]

I went off him when he became a voice for BLM and then demanded England players were vaccinated. I haven't watched England since. Hopefully the new man will keep politics out of the game.

[@sshee179]

I will always remember southgate as the manager that got england relegated, and 2 losing finals playing shite.

[@JayDeeChannel]

Who is Graham effin potter ffs. The FA had got the money. Klopp is available. He likes the uk. Pay him what he wants.

[@wasimdbala349]

What don't you understand about "HE WANTS A BREAK FROM FOOTBALL" . Why do you lot have such difficulty understanding this concept?

[@footyball66]

@@wasimdbala349 England is a break, what do we have.... 7 matches a year. He barely has to do anything.

[@wasimdbala349]

@@footyball66 He's not coming back to coach England, get over it. You lot should be ashamed begging for a foreign manager to manage an ENGLISH squad. Find an English manager to take you to glory. You don't feel any embarrassment needing a German to help you achieve ENGLISH success? Utter Nonsense

[@user-xh9qm6xy2m]

Klopp isn’t taking on England ffs

[@tobyireland2371]

Klopp won’t go, not about money for him

[@sambrown8301]

Nah man when the coldplay song came on i was dead 💀💀💀

[@RBernsCarter]

People seem to think that we are at the level of Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Brazil and Argentina. We aren’t and never have been

[@kevinkenny6975]

Nonsense.

[@FootkerSnookball]

"Never have been"?? You must be very young. France failed to qualify for back-to-back WorldCups 1990 & 1994 and 1998 in France was the first WorldCup they won 32 years after England won it. Spain didn't win WorldCup until 2010. Argentina needed to cheat vs England to scrape through in 86 and they needed 75mins playing with 12 men vs 10 to scrape through just on a shootout after England had a wrongly disallowed winning goal and Argentina handballed it near the end of extra-time which should've been a golden goal pen but when there was a fair game at the next WorldCup England knocked them out. It's only because of Messi that they'd be deemed as better than England over the last decade or so but still can't really tell because haven't played them in a major tournament recently they've been knocked out by losing 4-0 though in 2010 and 2018 they scraped 16th. I'm pleased Messi won it 2022 but otherwise they're not that good and are dirty and need to play act and be unsporting to have any real chance of winning.

[@ezeee595]

And never will be. Trophy-less for 6 decades. Speaks for itself.

[@ezeee595]

@@FootkerSnookballyou seem to have forgotten England did not qualify for the WC from 1970 to 1982. Failed to qualify for 1994 WC too. List of failures is endless.

[@TM-us5ti]

England beat Argentina in 1966 and 2002 World Cups.

[@bucharestred]

Can't stand listening to all these sycophants saying about his "successes", 2 finals and a semi-final. The fact is that any above average manager with the world class talent available to him would have probably won 3 trophies. So NO, Southgate was not that good. Sorry.

[@nudisco7882]

England needs to grow up. This was first legit chance to get trophy. They did have a chance against France but England was the underdog.

[@kennethbruce-tagoe9251]

"world class" talent according to who?....this is where English fans get it wrong in my opinion. There are virtually hundreds of "Fodens" in Spain and South America,..nobody really makes noise about them...... I doubt if anyone outside English fans believed England were favourites in this competition. It's ok to support your country but keep the expectations reasonable...

[@wasimdbala349]

They're delusional, and they take their delusions out on a decent manager who had the most success in a quarter century. Mad

[@ezeee595]

Sweetie!!! England is NOT a world class talent. Okay babes!!!

[@benjac9]

I completely agree with Andy Goldstein. Southgate was employed as a Football Manager to win trophies, he failed. His lack of courage cost England. Still can’t comprehend why Watkins & Palmer were not given more playing-time. Kane wasn’t match-fit.

[@Larry4life]

People really need to be more respectful. The treatment our lot has given Southgate has been embarrassing.

[@dagogogreene9155]

There’s a good reason why? Luus enrique won a treble and was sacked

[@simonmc7875]

He's a participation manager... with that exact personality. Not a winner mentality. Not ruthless.

[@ezeee595]

I’m sure you can do a much better job. Apply for his position.

[@user-zp7kw4yj4o]

​@@ezeee595why do you keep posting this asinine comment? Are you his mother or something? By your logic the only people who should be able to criticize international football managers are other international football managers, as of you have to be something to recognise that someone else doing the same thing isnt good enough - a facile belief in the extreme.

[@davidjames1377]

Excellent description, participation manager.

[@simonmc7875]

@@ezeee595 silly retort. But hopefully now we do get a better 'winning mentality' manager... and not one that thinks participation is enough.

[@ezeee595]

@@simonmc7875 I bet you anything that in two years time you will be spouting the same nonsense about whomever takes over. People like you always find something to moan about. That’s the problem with football. Everyone think of themselves as experts in the field.

[@ianrafferty7379]

Please don't put Andy and Andy together again, it's painful watching these two interact...I'm glad southgate has gone, I NEVER RATED HIM

[@Bushwacker-mb6hw]

Worst manager in. Englands history

[@iandavis8047]

Perhaps not the worst... but his tactical awarenese & entertainment value was in that region.

[@Easy_tiger69]

Never once entertained. Capello beat croatia H 5-1 A 4-1 , Ericsson Germany 5-1, Croatia 4-2 ,Venables Holland 4-1 , Hoddle 2 -2 Argentina was amazing. BORE BORE BORE from GS

[@oufc90]

That’s just not true though is it. He’s got us further than anyone other than Alf Ramsey. You might say he’s only beaten teams you’d expect us to beat (aside from maybe Germany and the Netherlands) but then you could say that about every other manager too, such as Sven, Capello, Robson, Hoddle. At least he did beat the teams you’d expect us to beat. Steve McClaren and Graham Taylor didn’t even get us qualified for 2008 and 1994. Roy Hodgson we came bottom of the group in 2014 and got knocked out to Iceland in 2016. I could go on…

[@ezeee595]

@@Easy_tiger69 How many of them got England to two consecutive finals?

[@dagogogreene9155]

Begging for love… that’s what losers do, winners are admired!

[@gohumberto]

He took us as as far as his talent allowed. 102 games in charge. How many does anyone remember where we dominated a game with World class football? He improved the structure at the FA, and that may be his crowning achievement, but he doesn't have the instincts required, at the highest level, to get us across the line, even with the best players in generations. He repeatedly came up short, when it came to selections, tactics, and in-game management. He turned an attacking squad into 11 Gareth Southgates, over-cautious, defensive, slow .... boring. That's just about acceptable if you win something, but losing, playing truly awful, boring, unwatchable, football, will be my memory of his time in charge. Does anyone think that Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain or France celebrate getting to a semi-final or final and losing? Nah ... because they all know it's not long since they won something, and it won't be long before they win something else. It will be 60 years of hurt soon.

[@chazclifford327]

Dont think I've ever agreed with Goldstein, but he's absolutely applied a nuanced, objective and contextual approach. Far too many time when I hear people who mark Southgate high, it's because they grade Gareth as being the astute statesman and loyalist. At times focusing more on the character than his managerial qualities

[@tvgcmma9215]

Results wise He achieved the minimum of what was required - previous managers didn’t do that so did better than them - but for example on 1986,1990,1996 we lost to the winners so didn’t make finals but while no proof I’d say Robson or el tel would’ve won a comp if had the lucky draws and ref decisions he had

[@TM-us5ti]

Good point, El Tel deserved more time and Hoddle too.

[@markc2570]

Was never a Southgate supporter. He definitely raised the bar in terms of progression in tournaments, but not in terms of winning trophies he didn't deliver. The last dozen or so games have been a struggle. Right time to go. Thanks Gareth.

[@richardcummins5465]

Couldn't believe how many England corners and free kicks ended up with Pickford?

[@spiktan]

I am Chelsea fan , I can relate to the Gareth Southgate experience with our team .Chelsea ,from 2007 to 2010 was brimming with world class talent that serially challenged for top honours ,domestic and continental all the way to the business end. What they often lacked however, was that ‘it’ factor when it counted, primarily due to managerial shortcomings.The 2007/2008 season, in particular, stood out. Avram Grant took over mid-season almost in the same manner that Gareth did as an interim measure . While he was tactically inept and in over his head ( like Southgate) , individual performances carried the team. Like England, they had multiple “almosts” that season but never quite reached the top. Avram was very nice likeable guy but he just didn't cut it and they moved him along sharpish. The late Ray Wilkins once said this was probably one of the strongest Chelsea squads ever assembled. They were formidable because they managed and organized themselves on the pitch, often relying on individual brilliance. However, they lacked the slight course correction at key moments in the season and cup games to actually win something and those can only come from a competent manager . Enter Carlo Ancelotti in 2009, the squad finally achieved its potential, winning the title by a canter in 2010 from Manchester United. I feel like the England squad is in a similar predicament now. Gareth had the job for 8 years. Just being a nice ,likeable guy is not going to cut anymore .Especially if you truly have ambition to win.Just him talking and whining about being loved tells me all I need to know,when he hasn't actually won anything.The Peps,Klopps and Mourinhos of this world understand that winning is what counts in the end , almost is alright but ultimately,not good enough.

[@classicsportclassictiyl8547]

It wasn't at a canter that 09/10 title it did go to the last day of the season but they cruised to the title on that final day one has to say

[@MyFullers]

Gotta agree with goldstein. He had an unbelievable squad of attacking players and played deep defensive football

[@ezeee595]

@@MyFullers best individuals don’t make best teams. Never forget that. You are talking like a fan, rather than someone with any footballing sense. Spain is the living proof of what I just said. Great team made up of good individuals - with exception of rodri and the wingers who are outstanding.

[@MyFullers]

@@ezeee595 what Premier league team do you manage, with all that knowledge? Or are you just a fan too?

[@ezeee595]

@@MyFullers I definitely know more than you. That is for sure.

[@Pedtip]

People keep bringing up how will always qualified under Southgate. It's virtually impossible not to. There are now 214 international teams, there used to be 75 so back then there was more strength in depth.

[@19822andy]

Achieved the bare minimum we expected and never delivered in the big games. He stumbled onto a formation that partially worked during this tournament and then threw it out of the window because he was shook by the fact we had to play Spain and reverted back to the formation that didn't work.

[@ezeee595]

England is a mediocre team. That is why they never win anything. Hyped up to be something they clearly are not. We have seen it time and time and time again. before each tournament kicks off, you have already won it.

[@LeeTurnock-zy2dg]

5:40 Southgate was never honest about his tactics. Against Italy he clearly was playing for penalties rather than going for it, even though they had the monster that is Donarumma in goal. He sat back on a 1-0 lead against Croatia rather than going for the second. Against Spain he got is equaliser then played for extra time, rather than hitting them whilst they were on the ropes. He was a good manager to get us performing to the deeper elements of a tournament but he needed to be replaced with an elite.manager who can finish the job. I fear we'll step backwards with Potter or Carson.

[@heppolo]

Against Italy I am sure he was trying to win, but at the same time there is a foundation "do not concede at any costs" which held England back. And also Kane ghosted so hard in that final it's insane.

[@yippeeki-yay1691]

​@@heppolo- As poor as Kane was, you'd think after managing him for about 100 games Southgate would realise you don't get the best out of Kane by leaving him totally isolated with 70 yard long balls constantly being pumped at him.

[@marklydall8635]

he was only supposed to be a stop gap manager.........shoulda stayed that way

[@iwonabesedated5748]

Southgate deserves more credit than he's getting. Him bringing the players together is the only reason we managed to get to two finals and a world cup semi. We've had better squads in the past that achieved nothing. If the next manager wins anything he has southgate to thank.

[@David9LUFC]

England as a footballing nation are as clueless as Southgate. Goldstein wanted him out 2 weeks ago, then england fluke a semi final and goldstein thinks hes the greatest ever england manager and its coming home...now hes a failure and has to go. The delusion in england is mind blowing

[@slayouthsoccer]

As a sports journalist, I've seen many teams with impressive stats and paperwork fail to deliver on the field. Just because a team looks good on paper doesn't mean they're guaranteed to win. The commentator is right that England should win, but 'should' is just a word - it's not a guarantee of success. The British media and fans need to understand that football is a challenging and unpredictable sport, and it's the British media and fans who are often guilty of hyping up their players to unrealistic levels, setting them up for disappointment.

[@NigelThompson-hb5jg]

Àndy, no we do not rate him- no real football fan ever would. Also good to hear from that patriotic Irishman born in Kent going on about loyalty.

[@pjoseph5950]

He had a great great great Irish uncle you know.

[@jpwartist]

Goldstein changes his tune more times than a pub jukebox.

[@Eggplantation-lh4yc]

If GS was running a company he would never have had 4 chances. His entire time was summed up by the throw in 20 yards fron the Italy box when it was 1-1. The ball was thrown back to Pickford who booted it out, Spain grabbed it and within 5 mins in was 2-1.

[@heppolo]

Pep had 7 chances to win UCL with all the money in the world at ManCity. Any other manager would have been sacked after Lyon loss. Only Lukaku managed to give Pep his ManCity UCL.

[@Barrettszippo]

"the throw in 20 yards fron the Italy box when it was 1-1", you sure you were watching the right final there mate?

[@dagogogreene9155]

Did you check Man City’s cabinet before the UCL? Then got them to semis, finals and finals again (ucl in the bag). That’s what winners do

[@heppolo]

@@dagogogreene9155 Southgate did the same (2 finals, QF and semis), who knows, maybe on 7th attempt he would have won something by sheer luck 🤔

[@geodude247]

That's a terrible analogy if Southgate was running a company he would be considered a massive success for how far he has taken the company from where they were when he started.

[@danielfrancis3660]

He failed? By that measure every England manager has failed apart from Sir Alf Ramsey

[@michaeljames7931]

Gareth Southgate record, finished fourth 2018 World Cup, quarter-final World Cup 2022, runners up in Euro Final 2020 and 2024. How is this a bad record? Has anyone ever considered the fact that maybe many England players are overrated? Ever considered the fact that the pundits and the media often exaggerate England's chances?

[@Matthew-bu7fg]

he achieved one outstanding result in his reign which was the 3-2 vs Spain in the Nations League. he hasn't achieved an outstanding result aside from that. Every other top nation we haven't beaten... the reason we've gotten to the latter stages of tournaments is because of the runs we've had to get there. We've got hugely fortunate with draws and STILL not got over the line

[@BrixtonTone]

Sick of all the plaudits about how he unified the team and almost won something. We wanted a progressive front foot football manager not a newly appointed head of the "Human Resources" department. I honestly don't thank him for anything. Football is about winning and he won bugger all.

[@markredford84]

exactly soygate safezone can do one

[@pierfedericopovero4043]

I hope you don't take this message as a provocation, but as an external comment. Whether England wins or loses, frankly it doesn't affect me at all. It's just a personal observation. I was taught that the foundation for progressing in life lies in conducting a serious self-analysis. I perceive a lot of entitlement and delusion in an Englishman who does not consider Southgate as the second best coach in history. To me, if you want to write history, you need to comprehend history. If the English benchmark for failure is not lifting a trophy, logic states that you have literally failed every time in your centennial history except for 1966 (and let's not talk about that slightly controversial victory). For better or worse, with rather favourable brackets of course, Southgate has led you to a World Cup semifinal (one out of three) and two European finals (two out of two). I am Italian, and I am a nobody to lecture or moralise you: our current football is in a pitiful state compared to yours. But if we speak historically, nations like Germany or Italy could afford not to consider a Southgate among their top coaches. An Italian with two lost European finals would statistically be the sixth/seventh in our history. Not for England. Even before tactical analyses and blaming the coach and players, in my opinion, the *step to take is to make a serious assessment of who you are historically*, how important it is for you to have reached two finals, to understand the mistakes made, and to start again with humility and courage (which you lacked). Only by knowing who you are will you be able to understand how to seize opportunities.

[@GMD3N]

The defence of Southgate is actually embarrassing. Imagine wasting this bunch of talents and calling it a success....

[@GamerFlair]

Everyone is still being bitter about losing. They have short memories (or are too young to remember what came before). In the 5 Euro's prior to Southgate, we made 2 quarter finals, 1 last 16, failed to get out the group stage and failed to even qualify for one. With World Cups, its 1 quarter final, 2 last 16s, one failure to get out of the group and 1 failure to even qualify. Southgate got us to 2 euro finals, a world cup semi final and a world cup quarter final. Thats a VAST improvement. The squad is good, but the squad of players avaliable is no better then what we had during the 2000s. With great tactictical managers like Eriksson and Capello. People focus in on Hodgson and Mclaren, because the squad wasn't great there and they weren't the greatest of managers (Hodgson actually was pretty good at one point in time, but he was well, well past his best by the time he was England manager). People say all he did was stop the players fighting with each othert and playing as a team, but that is also part of being a manager and NO-ONE else had managed that since Venables.

[@davemrec]

England had 1 problem. Gareth Southgate. Absolutely rubbish. Why put players in their wrong position??? He should of stuck to prompting PIZZA

[@ezeee595]

Why don’t you apply for his position? Let’s see how well you do.

[@yippeeki-yay1691]

Having your blue chip favourites and playing players out of position to accommodate them has been a trait of England managers long before Southgate.

[@davidjames1377]

​@@ezeee595your comment was boring the first time you used it as a reply.

[@ezeee595]

@@davidjames1377 you talk out of your backside too much. Just be quiet. You have no clue what football is all about. So just shut it. Another KZbin football expert, are you?

[@lukelocks9083]

This was Townsend's worse showing on TS! Goldstein wiped the floor with him with staright up logic and common sense. A bumbling apologist for the now, thank the footballing Gods, wondered off Waistcoat, Townsend marks Kneelgate 8.5/10, there is the problem right there, 8.5 for with these players, with 3 unfathomably flukey-spookey draws, yet wins nothing! Then he doubles down citing if ENG had beaten France last WC, not winning the WC, so just reached another semi, he would have given him a flipping 9!!! A 9 yet won nothing. Goldstein let him off the hook when questioning him would you have given him an 8.5 if previous managers had gotten to finals (and lost) too, he bumbled about saying the lamest kop out, "I understand exactly what you're saying". We heard what he was saying, what TF are you saying? Questioning why ENG should be beating Iceland, when AG hits back because we've better players, Townsend "Yeah you've better players but you haven't won any tournaments", squirm in your seat son with your Billy the Goat's "Butts". WTF has that got to do with beating Iceland, who mostly don't even qualify for tournaments. Townsend praising Kneelgate's loyalty to players, what you mean playing a clearly unfit Kane for the whole Euro's! Not taking a fit LB to the Euro's in loyalty to Shaw, where did his loyalty get ENG? I haven't seen the clip but a couple of mainstream journalists have said, when Spain went 1-0 up, Bellingham shouted at Kneelgate to do/change something. I can't ever recall hearing of a player shouting at Pep, Klopp, Wenger, Ferguson, Maureeniho, Robson, Venables to change something. I've never seen such angst on the faces of ENG players in a competition, never seen them react to justifiable cricticism, with such narkiness. Yet we're told this manager had created such harmony, made such a touchy-feel-kneely atmosphere, all was hunkey-dorey! The way he threw away that EURO final to Italy is his overiding, over arching, unforgivable legacy! If those grey men in grey suits appoint another 'Yes' man, the fans should say 'No' man!

[@yogibbear]

The media talk so much bs to cover for his awful tactics blaming it on other bs. He plays terrible football and completely mismanages the team endlessly, but the media have always jumped to his defense and blamed any criticism as being harsh. People are always blaming the tactics and football, not the person. We hate his TACTICS.

[@fleason771]

This is bloody harsh. It's the players who step on that pitch who are to blame. They have been given the opportunity to win something twice now & failed to grasp that moment of immortality that awaited them. We got lucky to have fortunate runs to get to where Gareth has taken us but just because we have players who individually thrive at club level does not mean we have some divine right to be beating anyone, we HAVE to prove it. Over the last 8 years they just have not been collectively good enough. We cannot hold possession of the ball & pass under pressure when it comes down to other teams, the best we can hope for is to attack & go to score goals. When we get knocked out in the Quarter Finals in the World Cup of 2026, it will be a brave defeat but if we don't get hold of the ball we won't win a thing

[@beefsuprem0241]

Why is the media in general giving him a pass for continuing with a failing Plan A. Players out of position, Kane unfit and miles off it playing, panic late subs his signature move. Taking 1 unfit LB to a tournament, experimenting in tournament with TAA as a midfielder. And we've been a hard watch throughout.

[@phoenixreborn6065]

I actually think it's the opposite people are WAYYY too negative about Gareth. Yes he has SOME tactical faults however considering where we were after the Iceland defeat it's been a good journey under him and he helped build the foundations of a great team so thank you Gareth!

[@The-Alcoholic-Author]

He said he took the job to improve English football, but somehow never realised that playing so defensively was not the way to do it. Talksport also need to stop bringing Gareth's mates up here to talk nonsense. Before a tournament its "we have the players to win this" and after the tournament its "expectations were too high, we've never won before"

[@TBrl8]

He did give us England fans some great, great moments, but not winning against Italy was absolutely criminal. That is his biggest failure, bang average Italian side at Wembley, negative cautious play cost us dearly. That was our true chance, Spain are miles ahead of us.

[@mervynpeters]

Fans want an elite manager & not too concerned with personality Trophies!!!

[@ezeee595]

@@mervynpeters name an elite manager.

[@JP_LDN582]

he earns 5 million a year to 'bring the team together' to 'bring the country together' absolute joke. the guy hasn't a clue how to navigate a football match. he may as well be a cheerleader on the sidelines

[@joeellis7928]

7 is generous tbh. The football was terrible & every realistic England supporter knew we wouldn’t win anything under his management. He seems like a nice bloke but it ain’t a popularity contest, it’s a results based game & anything less than lifting a trophy is a failure & sausage had 4 attempts to put the toad in the hole.

[@kwamephillips7392]

Andy Goldstein spoke some sense in his show for once. One of the few occasions we agree on.

[@davemrec]

Why would I??? Southgate said he could do the job not me. 8 years and achieved zero.

[@jemsalmonphotography]

Southgate has taken some of the best players in the world and molded them into mediocrity

[@bassnutter]

You can't compare Klopp and Southgate. 2 totally different types of management jobs. Klopp working with players day to day when Southgate gets players as and when and IF his preferred players are fit and not injured. All the progress he made as England manager just gets completely overlooked for the sake of bashing him. Ridiculous.

[@darrenporter1850]

Late nights, early mornings. Tough life as worlds highest paid manager with a competition every 2 years flying and dining VIP.

[@martinguy7609]

When Southgate got us to the Euro 2020 final Goldstein said no one can ever question him and everyone should trust whatever he wants to do because it gets us further than anyone else in our lifetime...

[@check2000]

Lol Talksport pundits been bashing Gareth for months, pretty disgusting really

[@Meerios3]

celebrate a second final? THANK GOD HES GONE! WHAT AN AWFUL AWFUL MANAGER

[@LexRex11]

It's criminal not to start Trent and Gomez. Both have lots of experience in high pressure games and cup finals. Also waited to long to influence the games with substitutions.

[@williambell710]

Andy Townsend the Englishman who’s Irish talks some nonsense.

[@Barrettszippo]

Andy Townsend also never won anything in his career of any note either (aside from a couple of League Cups with Villa, incidentally one of which Southgate played in too) so maybe we shouldn't listen to such a mediocre ex-player and turgid pundit?

[@musafawundu6718]

​@@Barrettszippo tell us the major team sports trophies that you have won...

[@musafawundu6718]

Somehow we have people who believe their opinions are just better than those of ex players they disagree with instead of actually judging the content of it...

[@Barrettszippo]

@@musafawundu6718 I coached your mum's team. She often pulled me off at half time. How many trophies have you won that didn't involve the use of a joystick?

[@Barrettszippo]

@@musafawundu6718 Somehow we have people who write about things on the internet who think they know better than other people who write on the internet. That's just life MusthavaOnesie6718.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

He took two injured players to the euros, shaw and kane, and if kane had anything about him he would have dropped himself, he's got form for playing while injured in a final ask any spurs fan. Big sam has the best win ratio 100%😂

[@D1al-ton3]

Have to agree with Goldstein. We haven’t got as far because of Southgate. We got to this final, because despite the manager trying to force players into a system and positions that don’t suit them… they’re so got that they were still able to find a way

[@vikingfrog7204]

He certainly shouldnt be getting a knighthood for failure !!

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Unfortunately that is our mentality in England. We celebrate failure and we're proud. Germany & Spain celebrate winning, because they have a winning mentality, don't settle for 2nd best. This Euro has to probably go down as the worst for the quality of teams in it. Everyone was dire, except Germany maybe and Spain. Holland finished 3rd in their group made the SF, and us in SF after stumbling across absolute shite on the way. England had no excuses.

[@ezeee595]

@@ForzaMilan-di2zd Bobby Robson got one for making it to the semis in Italia 90. GS def deserves a knighthood.

[@craigbackhouse745]

The so called 'Golden Generation' had a better starting 11 than this lot and they've been spoken about like they should have won this tournament before it even started. That golden Generation never came close to any finals like Southgate has. People are being way too harsh on him.

[@UlriQ]

England fans …we’re incredibly deluded. Goldstein is testament to that. He used Jurgen Klopp as an example (a club manager) of how you win after years of trying. Stop giving these people Mics!

[@ianrichardmorrissey6082]

Some are suggesting Eddie Howe maybe considered as the next England manager LOL. Eddie would play a team member who just lost an eye in a bar fight the night before. He is more 1 dimensional than Southgate.

[@goldenboots507]

At least it wouldn't be negative football. Howes teams always attack.

[@tjayjefferies1018]

@@goldenboots507spot on Newcastle are very attacking and his Bournemouth side were nice on the eye given their financial restrictions ! Spot on mate Howe would bring back attacking football and play a team not a 11 of individuals

[@davidjames1377]

I don't think you should be allowed to vote.

[@balders952]

Losing to a terrible Italy side at wembly in the euro final is one of the greatest failures in englands history. That Italy side failed to qualify for the world cup and was one of the worst Italy sides in history.

[@oufc90]

You mean the Italy side that held the world record for longest unbeaten run? Think they were 35 games unbeaten before that final

[@balders952]

@@oufc90 how did they go 35 games unbeaten and not qualify for the world cup?

[@oufc90]

@@balders952 the run started in October 2018 and ended in September 2021

[@davemrec]

What has Southgate done for England??? Taught us how to go backwards. Who teaches how to pass backwards??? Players were brilliant but didn't play in their positions. Southgate achieved zero.

[@ezeee595]

Thank god we have you. I’m sure you are a super coach.

[@gonnaw1n]

I'm sorry but if you break down his 60% win rate over those 102 games. There is a lot of low level qualifying teams and friendlies. There is also a very poor record against top 10 teams over 30 odd games, winning only 7. Even his stats for the U21's isn't good reading because he lost a lot of games with a few players who are in the national setup! The simple fact is, with the easy routes we have had, we have beaten teams I think most of the previous managers would have beaten, most of which he hasn't had to do much managerial tactical changes to win those, the talent he relies on has got him through. Now when it comes to tactics in the important games, he has failed and he has passed blame especially against Spain, onto his players, basically throwing them under the bus even though blaming it on fitness when Spain basically had players playing the same amount of games and minutes all season!!! The simple fact is, England have a huge huge player pool of talent which means no huge right or wrong with the squad, Gareth's mentality as a player and a coach all comes from either a midtable or fighting relegation team which makes you more pragmatic then even the fact he was a defender! We got to this final with some of the worst match stats I have ever seen...maybe only beaten by someone like Greece when they won it. He done well with all the setup but his Football has been utterly terrible at times, his use of subs has been awful and frustrating and having a manager playing a defensive formation with defensive tactics and players, forcing our attacking talent to look completely lost has just been an utter waste of time and opportunity!!!! 2 Massive opportunities to win something and we failed horribly when we had the squads to win! Even the Croatia team was definitely beatable although not sure about the final in that one. I'm glad he has gone...no more pragmatic football please...die on your sword football is what I would rather.

[@AuroraBorealis11111]

That music 😂 I’m having a pint to celebrate ❤

[@DrTIPUSUK]

5 million a year. 40 million for 8 years. I call that a success, especially in life 😅

[@goldenboots507]

99% of the time goldstein talks absolute drivel but hes spot on here.

[@paulchristiepureblood146]

I dont get englishmen who constantly slag off the england team and the england manager, without ever walking in their shoes. Goldstein is a prime example of that. He constantly bemoans southgate but his reasoning is idiotic.. england have done very well in the last two tournaments, we just didnt win them. But thats no reason not to get behind the team and manager.

[@cannotthinkofanybetterhandle]

So now Croatia is four of the best. I don't remember the English media considering Croatia as one of the best back in 2018 😂

[@MathewParker-by4nx]

Put it this way. If a Liverpool manager had 4 goes at the fa cup and eventually lost to a premier league team in the semis and final having beaten League 2 & League 1 sides en route, would it be considered a successful series of FA cup campaigns?

[@joefagersten9677]

I love that England fans pretty much always think they should beat everyone else.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

OK losing to iceland was a one off oh wait a minute they did it again😂

[@pppscooby]

When you look at how deep he made it into tournaments it looks like a success, but when you list off the teams he beat and lost too it doesn’t look so good. 6/10 for me.

[@mervynpeters]

If Klopp did not win a trophy Liverpool fans will say its a fail!!!😅😅😅

[@edwardojg]

Southgate came to the realistion that most england fans have come to eventually, that he is just not the man to take this england team to the next level

[@ellefc]

He took England as far as he could and then ran out of ideas.

[@SukiStackhouse18]

Andy Goldstein is absolutely spot on. Its time we stop sugar coating things. A no-nonsense approach is what we need. I would give Southgate a 6/10 tbh.

[@tone3817]

Southgate is a good example of today's society.. people seem to be happy celebrating mediocrity.

[@sdm_za]

2 cup finals is mediocrity? 😂😂😂 You entitled English fans are a joke

[@BobbySpringer1]

The Klopp comparison is nonsense. Top club managers get a crack at 4-5 trophies a season. National managers get 1 shot every 2 years

[@KikiAmyMelon]

Mbappe unveiled at Madrid