The NEEDLER - Super Exotic 12ga. Slug - Surgeon's NIGHTMARE

[@jspec-vz3mc]

Whoever submitted that needler truly hit a home run. Fascinating!

[@secretbassrigs]

first time I ever saw fragments do u-turns.

[@djungelskog2654]

you could say...the submitter really threaded the needle

[@dodgeplow]

@@djungelskog2654 he really pinned the tail on the donkey

[@mrbreck1]

That was a nasty round. It was good to see the resin on the lead plate too. I was worried it would break up when fired.

[@neilfoss8406]

Have ever thought you would benefit from counseling

[@30rdmaga]

Ive been watching taofledermaus for years and this is 100% the most insane round ive ever seen. Bravo Brian from northern California.👏👏👏

[@Boomchacle]

This is really on par with the controlled expansion copper one. I don't know which one I'd rather not get hit by most.

[@taofledermaus]

Thank you very much!!

[@snakezdewiggle6084]

Yeah, this is the Real Steel for sure.! Its worth studying.

[@HarryPotter-dl3kb]

This round will stop a intruder in his tracks

[@FrantisekPicifuk]

@@HarryPotter-dl3kb So will a birdshot

[@gravelywv677]

Absolutely the best round I’ve seen. The amount of damage inside the stack of wet magazines was wild.

[@William_Borgeson]

That starburst pattern was wicked!

[@jacobgroenveld5821]

Yeah, that was the shot that proved this was truly devastating

[@UmmmmmmmWhat]

That wound cavity in the magazines and also full penetration of the lead plate is crazy.

[@taofledermaus]

that was pretty wild!

[@garythomson713]

Looked like when the round mushroomed , the needles did a u-turn because they were pointing back towards the front and were bent

[@TheGreatDrAsian]

Guys this might actually be a real breakthrough. This is absolutely insane.

[@gitsideways]

Hands down the scariest 12ga shell/slug I've seen

[@forteandblues]

My grandpa was a trauma surgeon in small town Nebraska (and veteran) and he said the worst surgeries were when someone got hit with birdshot he would be like “You shoot a burglar with bird shot, now I have to spend 6 hours picking lead bits out of that loser”

[@taofledermaus]

A lot of times they don't bother to remove it all too

[@zumbazumba1]

@@taofledermaus A lot of it cant be done in a single surgery due blood loss or the risks of doing it are higher than benefit.Sometimes birdshot goes deep near vital organs, Lead is bad for organism and it will cause lead poisoning.They give you pills for that but if there are too many pellets it can be very serious. They should ban lead in every shotgun rounds,its a modern times and we have machines that can produce better quality rounds its not 1800's anymore.

[@bushweasel]

Maybe the best round yet!

[@1963pipo]

Best or worst, depending on which side of the gun you are 😃

[@mrgone658]

Attaching the word 'recipe' to the building of shotgun rounds takes the study of ballistics to a whole other level.

[@taofledermaus]

It's a real term to describe all the stuff used to make the round.

[@Tim_Lehmann]

There may be 10 others named Devastator, but this one deserves the name!

[@dreadnaughttactical]

FACTS! 💯

[@JamesDean-yo8wm]

I agree... There is no other way to describe the results aside from complete devastation...

[@stevenkeeffe]

Easily the most destructive round I've seen so far. No doubt that 50yd shot would have been an amputation.

[@JonMahn]

Accuracy, penetration and the steel pinwheel of death... not bad at all.

[@big0bad0brad]

The accuracy maybe not so good but it's sort of made up for by hitting something anywhere the needles wreck like a 6 inch diameter

[@JonMahn]

@big0bad0brad It was pretty spot on at the 18 yards they used for the other tests compared to a lot of creations, until the woman shot at Brandon from 50 yards. I'm sure she's a good shot, but I would've liked to see more at 25 and 50 yards to get a better feel for the accuracy at those ranges.

[@big0bad0brad]

@@JonMahn Yeah maybe the production differences caused the minor inconsistency but it does look like it's capable of high accuracy. I noticed the resin fill was kind of all over the place between the rods.

[@killcrazyvegan]

yeah this deserves further investigation. Looks like the steel disc is driving the rods, that’s probably why they bend when they fan out. I wonder if a cleaner resin fill would help too. The resin is holding together nicely at firing for being so frangible at impact.

[@harlech2]

The cat that made this needs to start production on this, LAST week. Holy balls!

[@kameronfunes193]

This is highly reminiscent of the time they shot high gauge stranded electrical wire. It probably would be easier to produce.

[@SquireJethro]

That rabbit really shows what this round can do with only one shot. No followup required.

[@secretbassrigs]

jelly fish fragmentation

[@orlock20]

Even the winged hit at the end could have been lethal if one of those rods hit a lung or even the heart.

[@ORVONTON64]

That is a major effective round… little in, total destruction inside, little out… amazingly awesome! Entry and exit looked same size and like it was done with a drill bit… wow!!!

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@mcburcke]

Holy crap!! Those things might violate the Geneva Conventions. (Yeah, that was me who sent the table 😊 gotta keep up appearances on camera...)

[@thomasbraeking6225]

It would be an "interesting" round for a trench sweeper. The solid core would take out two or three behind the "designated needle stopper".

[@shred1894]

Expanding rounds are illegal for use in warfare, so yeah, this is a war crime. The cool thing about war crimes is that they only count when you're a combatant in a war.

[@jefforymitchell5697]

I think you mean the Hague Conventions.

[@waynebimmel6784]

As we've seen last week with the threats against the ICC, the USA cares about as much about international law as Putin does. WW3 is going to be warcrime olympics.

[@waynebimmel6784]

​​@@jefforymitchell5697that "the Hague" your Tom Cotton threatened to invade? I don't think these rules apply anymore .

[@therogers4432]

Speaking as a Taoflederfan from the UK, I can confirm that you guys used the terms "Knackered" and "Knacketed Up" 100% correctly, and that made me very happy 💪😉🇬🇧 Amazing and terrifying stuff 😳

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

You’re on a government list🇬🇧☺️ Me too🕺

[@ryborg123456]

Cream crackered

[@spamstabber]

​@@tomwinterfishing9065yeah but you're on the list of people not allowed near schools

[@LuciferMorningstar-wk8qu]

That round is diabolical

[@TheRainforestExhibit]

100%

[@kevinfrazier5138]

I always enjoy the show, but this one was something special. Effective and very pleasing patterns in the aftermath. Almost feels like it needs a sci-fi name with how consistently pretty those channels were.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!

[@robertrosicki9290]

Great vid . Have to add the Needler to the list of things I never ever want to get shot with . Greetings from northeastern Ontario Canada .

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

Don't worry eh! Ol' Trudeau will protect ya👍

[@waynebimmel6784]

The list is about the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Robert!

[@FirstLast-cc6cv]

For the record, I hope that is a very long list as practically everything ends in a pretty bad time save for airsoft, nerf, paintball, etc

[@pistol0grip0pump]

This infers there must be a list of things you do want to be shot with (For science I would hope lmao) and I both respect the hell out of it and want to know what they are 😅

[@nelsonbergman7706]

Thanks to Brian for this great design. Has off to Zac and Amanda for their impressive shooting. Last but not least thank to Jeff for his table top, loading and camera skills. Almost forgot - thanks to Mike (?) to the new table. 👍

[@taofledermaus]

thank you Nelson!

[@milkmanchoppers]

No hats for them! Just the has! I totally agree

[@claycopopo]

​@@taofledermaus Is he gonna sell them?😂

[@bwmalibu1]

Hi and thank you for taking the time to share your experience much appreciated with Respect Bill W.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you very much Bill

[@WarkWarbly]

I hope this dude sends you more. More shots = more data and we need some science on here. Or at least more shots. I like all the guests you've had so far. I just hope everyone had fun. Thank you to everyone who helps Taolfedermaus and thank you too Jeffafa!!!

[@marzcapone9939]

That's just a War Crime, is that already a name for a slug? Should be if not.

[@ronpaul2012robust]

there is a kid out there right now being inspired by these videos, and he will start a company.

[@hitthelikebutton9611]

I really hope so! Great comment.

[@user-nt7jr2pq7s]

Sounds like a good idea thanks.

[@bloodlove93]

and that company will be sued and shutdown so fast. look what's happening recently with nonsense like sigs lawsuit,they're giving the green light to target companies and corporations behind arms and ammo manufacturing.... i can already imagine the headlines and lawsuits unfortunately.

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

American dream. Compared to an English kid watching, who will probably get visited by the police and put on an extremist watch list 🇬🇧👍

[@AIexanderJ]

Its me

[@romanalex3468]

Holy hell that’s insane! I genuinely hope Brian can get these on a mainstream market because these are the FLOWER OF DEATH!

[@thepagan5432]

Well that was really informative and entertaining. Those 19 steel pins are really devastating, the wet magazines shocked me a little with the small entry and exit holes but the middle pages as Jeff said looks like a claw has ravaged the pages. Thanks to Brian for the very imaginative, Needler slugs, and Zac and Amanda for their fine shooting. Jeff, a good production thank you 👍

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@TheZombieSaints]

Omg! These rounds would be devastating! You gave me the shivers when you talked about "not being able to find the glass-like shards of epoxy with an xray. 😱☠️

[@TheZombieSaints]

These would have to be in my top 3 of all time for "scary" rounds EVER on this channel. Just a crazy round! 👏👏👏

[@SmogginMog]

You can see a major contrast between glass (dense amorphous silicon) and human tissue (mostly carbon)

[@RICDirector]

While plastics are generally radioluceng and difficult to spot on an xray, sonography with ultrasound is a reliable location guide.

[@w6krg]

The smoke on the lead plate was probably the resin vaporizing. I'd like to see this projectile hit a 50-pound clay block or a Paul Harrel Meat Target. Great video, Jeff!

[@danwyrick322]

Most definitely, a true test would be a meat carcus analog

[@Cliffjumper1999]

Been watching here for YEARS. Glad you’re still making content jeff.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you~!

[@engir63]

This is a most impressive round that should be in production

[@dreadnaughttactical]

ABSOLUTELY!!

[@drfranks1158]

Wow, without the center penetration part this thing would be an amazing home defence product. Hope to see more from this contributor.

[@ZannNewman]

a stack of buck instead of the rod could work

[@myperspective5091]

👍🏆👍 That round has the shallowest dispersal and the widest spread of impact fragmenting flechettes that I have ever seen.

[@45CaliberCure]

Really nice to see you guys still doing the job, Tao. Always a great go-to when I don't know what the hell I want to watch for the night.

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@secretbassrigs]

the "Needler" with spiral-curved pins, the "Fragnado"!

[@jaqcp]

I just can't help but think that if the Buggaloo every did happen, these kinds of "home brew" rounds are what the government troops would fear the most.

[@Microwave_King]

Not unless that shit starts being able to punch through level V plates. If shotguns are so scary, why do militaries only ever use them to breach doors? Shotguns suck for real world combat.

[@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n]

​@@Microwave_Kingyou don't shoot the plates, your AR 15 can't punch through level 4 plates either. You ambush them from the bushes with some other guys and put exotic home brew shells down range. And the plates only cover so much on the targets.

[@juanbait9670]

Wait till granny figures out how to load shotguns with rolling pins.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

@@Microwave_KingI recently heard a quote: “ Level 4 plates? Let’s make them kiss!” This was in reference to a 45-70 shooting 500 gr bullets. Might not penetrate the plates but it would probably cause fatal internal damage.

[@viralostrich4245]

You are retarded

[@mayro4803]

The Needler from Halo comes to mind at the supercombine effect this thing has.

[@wrpatton8900]

Needle bearings in a cap on a universal joint they look like.

[@dreadnaughttactical]

i was thinking something along the same lines.. thin steel rods attached to a fixed base plate with a lyman 525 wadcutter slug inside (which is 525 grains) OR a section of steel rod similar in weight encased in resin using a DIY mould then drill a concave cavity.. put it in a sabot with 30grains of Longshot - I think that would be very similar to this.

[@cedhome7945]

Reminds me of a small end bering from a two stroke engine

[@MrKeithmichigan]

@@cedhome7945 Yup

[@hairybubbles127]

God, I needed this video and a beer!!!!! Just got home from my labors and put my feet up with the ol' Maus!!!! Thanks, man.

[@taofledermaus]

hope you have a restful weekend~!

[@hairybubbles127]

@taofledermaus work work work!! My boss is an ass hole. He's also me. I'm taking Thanksgiving off to pamper the Mrs. of course. I hope your week is excellent and that your reasons to be thankful are indeed many. Be well, and I expect another instructive video soon!!!!

[@brown2889]

That magazine shot looks like a bear clawed the thing. Best flechette test I’ve seen to date!

[@hhkk6155]

This round combines penetration will maximum damage and energy transfer - that's an unicorn round 💪💪❣️

[@iansmith4184]

It also devastates soft body armor. The submunitions will force the Kevlar out and keep it from balling up enough to have any chance of stopping the penentrator core.

[@gavinrobinson8925]

@@iansmith4184 That's an interesting theory, now I want to see that tested.

[@kdawg3484]

That hole in the middle of the magazines is one of the most grotesque results I've seen on this channel. I winced. Great job, Brian.

[@taofledermaus]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@youtube.commentator]

Late night 'fledermaus.. I'm game

[@dannydandaniel8040]

"Bollywood death scene" 😂... OMG! This round is a surgeon's nightmare! This is one of the best rounds I've seen. Props to the designer

[@justicefall1917]

I sure do love this channel! Never been disappointed with the content and this one was awesome! What a bada** round! That would definitely ruin your day! Thanks for sharing!!!!

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks 👍 for the nice words!

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

If you step through the video at 15:25 you can see the needles spraying out in a radial pattern from the head. It's a pretty amazing shot.

[@GordonPhillips]

That was an amazing round!

[@derrickthomas777]

That has to be one of the most deadly rounds I've ever seen on this channel! Crazy damage, he needs to start manufacturing these

[@Steve-ev6vx]

I think the hollow cavity is unnecessary. A solid nose may help drive the spikes deeper. That wound channel on the book was gnarly!

[@4e616d65]

I was thinking the same thing. It needs to get at least 4 inches deep before it shreds, most of the needles were flaring out at pretty much flesh depth.

[@canyoncaptive]

Put a zigzag bend in the needles.

[@dreadnaughttactical]

Ngarly Indeed! I wonder what the effect would be using a solid flat nose.. or domed.. or pointed..? or even a fragmenting core instead of solid..?

[@carsonhunt4642]

Yep not sure why everyone loves it, he’s had better rounds before. This round is neat concept, Perhaps add fins/breakaway section on the “penetrator” part that’s acts as a deeper hollow point ? Otherwise the rods themselves are too shallow and this is just a deep penetration round

[@Steve-ev6vx]

@@dreadnaughttactical That is what I was thinking, start with nose design changes and see if it helps. Maybe changes in the epoxy could help too.

[@bme2383]

😮 those rounds were incredible! That block of gel is like a work of art 😮

[@ctged]

Bloody hell, Jeff. That is a frightening round. Using it in combat would cause warcrimes, lol

[@johndoe-so2ef]

Only if you lose.

[@setaripantheon8801]

This one, but with a Tungsten Carbide pice in the center, Perfection! 😎👍

[@fernandog.ramirez.6917]

Taofledermaus, the channel of stuff you definitely don't want to ever be shot with.

[@GalloPazzesco]

These keep getting better and better.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@tonyennis1787]

7:45 Jesus on a pogo stick. I think you need to rename this slug "Bleedout"

[@VincentNajger1]

It slices! It dices! But that's not all! Just add some vegetables and your stir-fry is ready in one quick shot!

[@MLenninger]

Best round you have ever tested. Even a slight graze from The Needler looks like it would be a devastating kill shot.

[@Spydr6684]

7:51 I like how you can see the spin from the rifling in the rod spread pattern.

[@cozyfr0g933]

I'm so happy I found this channel. My friend and I not so long ago were talking about how cool it is that you can make a shotgun shell of nearly anything.

[@GypcRiXh]

Dude yes! After a long hard Saturday of work, which I did not mind eating some fried chicken biscuits and gravy and a brand new episode let’s go

[@taofledermaus]

dang, that sounds really good

[@WhaHoppen69]

100% hands down the gnarliest round... It flies straight, expels shrapnel everywhere, and over-penetrates all at once. Insane

[@CountryBoyNH8340]

Surely the winner of the slug of the year award ? If you ever decide to do a top 5 of the year 💥

[@HenryEberhardt-z3r]

This round is probably the best home defense round I've ever seen especially seeing what it did to the wet magazines which was amazing damage and would definitely stop a Criminal in their tracks 👣. Hopefully this type of round will be available to gun owners and law enforcement ! If I had a 12 Gauge I would definitely buy a few boxes of these rounds and I know for a fact many others would buy this round as well and the developer would make a mint !!!!!!! Thanks For The Video And God Bless You And Family. Amen

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Henry

[@denizwilson887]

feels a bit overkill for home defense, but you do you

[@LordDragox412]

If you used a round like this for home defense, you'd lose your gun and weapon license (edit: license to purchase/ acquire/own a gun) if you ever had one. Overpenetration in home-defense is a big no no and self-defense won't save your butt from a reckless endangerment charge.

[@HenryEberhardt-z3r]

@LordDragox412 Weapon License 😆 🤣 😂lol

[@LordDragox412]

@@HenryEberhardt-z3r That's why I wrote "if you ever had one" when referring to the license. You may not know, but it's a thing in states like Hawaii, Connecticut, Nebraska, New Jersey, Maryland, North Carolina etc. You laughing at "weapon license" only shows your ignorance about gun laws in United States and makes your "tough guy" act look comical.

[@P_RO_]

More than just the insane terminal ballistics, this is a very stable round in flight, while many others of similar type aren't. This is now the gold standard to beat and TBH I don't see how anything could be better. Extremely well done Brian from California and you could definitely sell plenty of these whatever the cost.

[@SelfEvident]

Hot damn, just what I needed tonight. Thanks, Jeff!

[@roblud7350]

Just what you Needled?

[@taofledermaus]

no problem!!

[@SelfEvident]

@@roblud7350 Good one, Rob!! lmao

[@Chris-vu2ot]

Omg that’s really impressive. I’m really boggled by the rods away from the hole. Very fascinating.

[@davidluopa4627]

Absolutely savage. These rounds are artwork.

[@akiko009]

This must be my most favorite round so far.

[@thesnipercat6792]

What a design! What a devastation! Brian nailed it! Thanks Jeff awesome images as always. Zack and Amanda ❤

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Cat!

[@thesnipercat6792]

@@taofledermaus 🙌❤️

[@pablofalcao1700]

THE WARCRIMER or THE GENEVA CONVENTION BRUTALIZER

[@scourgey4205]

Heres to hoping the dude that made this had read my suggestion on one of the rods from god slugs. This is exactly what I was talking about, AND I LOVE THEM!

[@taofledermaus]

I think Brian does get ideas from comments.

[@matthewburdick6177]

Amazing round! I want to see what it does to body armor!

[@Peasmouldia]

Knackers yards were where cattle carcasses had meat and offal sorted. Hence the expression "It's knackered".... In southern England such yards were also known as the "Shambles". Many towns in the SW of England still have streets or covered yards called the Shambles. Nice vid Thanks and blessings from the UK.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!!

[@carmiethompson2676]

0:33 I wonder; just to reduce cost, you could substitute the 19 SS rods w/ the same number of carbon steel rods cut from old steel wire cloths hangers? Then encapsulate w/ the epoxy(?) to the extent that the bare steel doesn't come in contact w/ air that could cause oxidation if the corrosion resistant coating is damaged. A round like this would certainly shred venison, like the water jug.

[@taofledermaus]

I'm sure it is possible

[@CplSkiUSMC]

Those slugs are INCREDIBLE! Nicely done Brian!! The reason they slide to the right is because they work so doggone well!

[@taofledermaus]

Maybe I need to adjust the red dot a click to the left. lol thanks for watching!

[@CplSkiUSMC]

@@taofledermaus If you adjust to the left, it won't work as well... if at all. In fact, if you adjust left and can manage to get it to work, you'll be required to pay it $20/hr minimum wage. Keep it to the right. Not only does it work, but it won't quit working before the job is done... as evidenced by the lead plate.

[@StirlingLighthouse]

Nasty! Excellent! Thank you 🙏 ❤

[@Shapparaal]

After watching this video I can Brian was right to call it that. This slug is absolutely devastating.

[@LimitedGunnerGM]

This looks like perfection to me! Take my Money!

[@firefighterforlife6673]

I can’t be alone in thinking how great it would be to see you and Officer Greg on The Unsubscribe Podcast.

[@johnthomas7517]

Excellent, a return of Amanda and Zac. Good stuff as usual.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks John

[@danam2595]

This is one of the most impressive rounds you guys have ever showcased. Just every test was amazing to watch, seeing what it could do to soft and hard targets, as well as at range. If any custom shells y'all have done deserves a commercial production line, this one is it. Man, I feel like I'm a paid shill with this talk, but I'm legitimately impressed.

[@taofledermaus]

lol thanks

[@AdrianBoyko]

I think the needles are flying sideways through the gel block. The one or two that flew straight went considerably further.

[@taofledermaus]

Yeah, many cut sideways through it.

[@aboveaverage007]

This is the most devastating round for water containers!! I have not seen anything disintegrate jugs like that. That was amazing! And, putting a couple of drops of food dye in the round itself clearly shows the routing within the gel models! Good work all around!!!

[@bwmalibu1]

Thanks!

[@taofledermaus]

Thank you very much! The day we filmed this, Zac was told he was layed off from his job so I may give this to him.

[@wadewilson524]

That’s about the meanest slug you’ve had on the channel! WOW! Instead of “needler”, maybe “War Crime”?

[@taofledermaus]

lol

[@WE-The-People-July-4]

👍👍👍🇺🇲🟥🌊 Thank God!!!! Wishing you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!!

[@WE-The-People-July-4]

Brother I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your hard work that you and your guest put in to ever video. 👍👍👍🇺🇲

[@MrNakedweasel]

Super interesting video. Thank you! And Bravo Zulu to the designer. Superlative effort from all involved.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!!

[@kawaiiarchive357]

Body armor means nothing if you get hit in the groin/legs by one of these bad boys.

[@mrmongo6722]

By far one of the best home defense rounds I have seen so far. Hats off to Brian for coming up with that every shot was very impressive,accurate and very destructive.

[@secretbassrigs]

It should be called the "FRAGNADO"!

[@iansmith4184]

That's thr lead version.

[@dibbuk5730]

Excellent video. Brians' round is setting a new bar for performance.

[@secretbassrigs]

the tumbling fragmentation round from hell

[@JimiGosu]

This is an absolutely insane round! I love it! It seems to function exactly as intended, and the damage is SAVAGE. GREAT JOB, BRIAN!

[@snarkasticdouche3863]

Call it the Singer, after the sewing machine company.

[@BladesPointsBySgp]

Clear ballistics gel shot was awesome! 🤩 Still loving the videos after all this time. Thank you!

[@dandel351]

With all the broken tables ... I thought "WATERMELON TIME !! " was coming next. Good work there that round was something else.

[@danwyrick322]

Jeff , Scott , and Matt should do a collaboration. That projectile is wicked and definitely not Californication legal

[@21stcenturyjacktheripper]

​@@danwyrick322that slug might actually get labeled as a war crime. That's the first slug that I think you wouldn't survive getting hit anywhere.

[@BeezyKing99]

The next best thing I've ever seen since the TTT series.... I definitely miss those days.

[@ryanwilson_canada]

That's just an insane round. Great shooting Zac and Amanda.

[@MagicPlants]

HOLYYYYY THESE DELIVERED!!!! OMFG!!!! Dumped everything into the target as designed. This is amazing

[@chuckaddison5134]

I would not want to be the ER Dr. Looking at repairing that after seeing what it did! Great video, thank you Jeff, Amanda, and Zac! Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks so much Chuck!!

[@D95SI420]

For sure one of the coolest and best performing rounds i have seen, its not crazy expensive to make and with a little tweaking it could be even more crazy.