TASCAM 424 MKIII BOUNCING: 2-Channel Stereo Cassette Bounce | 424recording.com

I've done a few videos over the years on Tascam 424 mkiii bouncing but I've never done one on bouncing to a 2-channel stereo cassette deck. So this video is about bouncing from the Tascam 424 mkiii to a 2-channel stereo cassette deck! Special thanks to Matt for sending the Nakamichi and 424! This video could literally not have been made without your generosity, Matt!
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[@sesa1076]

I enjoy the black and white tape switching.

[@ransgundo1064]

Wooooow what a tune !!!! So good

[@jackmorris4440]

On that tape deck you could also use type iv tapes

[@philspill6854]

Good to see your post Brother! Keep em coming. Stay safe

[@424Recording]

Thanks, will do! You, too, Phil

[@alanduncan1980]

Let's bounce! 😎 Wow, your demo sounds cool, man! I really dug it!

[@424Recording]

Rock on!

[@paddyburke4148]

Interesting stuff as always, thanks for the vid.

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Paddy!

[@nowavecharles]

Nice song Mike. Really dig it. Good luck to you, and can't wait to hear these new songs!

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Henry! I haven't had much inspiration lately. I've got one other one brewing for Fall Song Challenge, though. I've got to get that one together soon. My computer has also been on the fritz... what are you working on lately?

[@nowavecharles]

@@424Recording Oh nice. Yeah I relate there, trying to get some technical stuff fixed myself haha. Nothing much yet. Writing a ton though. Thinking of doing a song for FSC.

[@424Recording]

Do it up! I need to make an FSC update video. It's been fun seeing what everyone has been up to on Discord. Yeah, it's just been one technical thing after another on this end, so I'm in this lull of getting stuff fixed or setup/cleaned up, getting ready for the muse to show up haha. Cheers, Henry

[@nowavecharles]

@@424Recording Thanks Mike! Good luck to you dude.

[@onetenthhero]

Great song! Has a nice Sebadoh vibe to it. I used to bounce to a DAT machine from my 424. In fact, I think you’ve inspired me to play with that set up again. Cheers!

[@424Recording]

That's awesome! Wow, Sebadoh, thanks! I've always wanted to check out DAT. I know there's a lot of 90's stuff that was recorded to DAT. It seems like one of those formats people don't talk about as much or maybe I'm just out of the loop. Let me know how the session goes!

[@guillaumealtamira7115]

yeees, basic is beautiful, thanks Mike

[@424Recording]

Hey, guil! I agree!

[@goldensalmon3122]

Love the digitakt drums...

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Golden! It's fun to sketch out ideas on the Digitakt

[@calebvanderwall2685]

this guy is better than grass

[@tomblaze2]

the song sounds great

[@424Recording]

Thanks, tom!

[@fratertater6130]

Love this song

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Jody!

[@ambiguationdotnet]

Awesome! Thanks for the cape comparisons - Type I seems to have more bottom end, and Type II has a kind of open, airy mid range. Can't decide which I prefer 'cos I like'em both! :-)

[@424Recording]

That's what I was thinking, too, Dave! I'm glad you dug those. I almost didn't include them!

[@ColinKatana]

Great channel man! How much fidelity is lost when recording the two channels back to tascam? Is it more or less than ping pong bouncing?

[@spooktasticaparanormal]

Hi Mike, nice video. I normally use my laptop to master my tapes. I load it into a daw, then I highlight the noise floor before the track starts and remove it. Then if it's a fade out I also do that in saw so the noise floor is never heard. If there is a recorded finish in my track I tend to use some light reverb or echo to create an outro trail when I stop the tape on my 488mk1 again minimising and eliminating noise floor. I like finding workarounds and solutions and applying them to my work. Thanks for sharing your work my friend. Kind regards. Paul.

[@424Recording]

Have you made a video on this process, Paul? It sounds like it would make for a good one. Thanks for checking it out!

[@spooktasticaparanormal]

@@424Recording hey Mike, not yet, but I'm planning on doing one soon. I find that method a good lossless way of mastering from cassette because you are not adding anymore noise to the recording mixdown. Some people have told me that my recordings don't sound like they were done on an 8 track cassette multitrack recorder because of that technique alone. I find it to be a nice clean way of working with analogue tape. Some people might rightfully say that I'm using backward steps by working with analogue tape, but I really enjoy the workflow and the sound I get from it. Nothing can replicate the warm sound of tape.

[@424Recording]

Yeah! I'd say do what works. And that sounds like a great process. I've got similar compliments or maybe they were more along the lines of overcoming the noise floor and hitting the tape hot enough. That definitely seems like it would be a fun video to make though or explore. Cheers, Paul

[@TheNecromancer1937]

@424 Recording Hey, I love your videos. Thank you. I was wondering what the process would be to transfer audio from a Tascam MF-P01 to a DAW. There doesn’t seem to be any videos covering that machine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

[@424Recording]

Thanks for watching, Brandon! My buddy Jason has one of those; if you stop by the Discord he may be able to help out. Looking at it quickly, it looks like it does have an RCA line out so it should be similar to this method. There's also a Phones out, so you could use that, too, with a breakout cable. Cheers!

[@xbocanegrax]

Dope song man

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Marty! I enjoyed your playing at the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance btw

[@xbocanegrax]

@@424Recording LOL! Amazing

[@peppermintslayr]

getting back into 4-tracks after a few years and wondering... where have all the Type II's gone?

[@424Recording]

I made a video on Type IIs a couple months ago. There's a lot of great info in the comments section about where to find them. Happy recording!

[@grisimusic8938]

Type i seems to have more bass and the sound is a bit louder as well. Cool song btw!

[@424Recording]

Yeah, it was weird because I recorded them at the same level coming out of the 424 but the Type I was louder! Maybe should have hit the Type II harder. Cheers, Grisi and thanks!

[@bejoshouse4493]

How can I listen your music , the results of your gear

[@MikeFoerster]

I always liked using my computer for this, less loss and noise. Also, I don't have a working cassette recorder :)

[@424Recording]

Yeah, there's always that extra layer of noise on each bounce, too. I might plan to do some more songs this way, so I wanted to practice. My computer has been tough to work on lately, too. I agree, Mike. Computer ftw

[@Mikey_Dee]

i use minidisk for bouncing off board. it is as good as computer but as convenient as cassette. this technique has the advantage of being able to go bsck a step if you need to as you can use a fresh tape in the 4 track or wind ahead, leaving your original 4 tracks.

[@424Recording]

Dang, that is cool!

[@Mikey_Dee]

@@424Recording After 2 bounces, the song had 8 tracks recorded on the 4 track. Because i forwarded the tape before copying the mix back, i still had the individual 8 tracks across 3 recordings. So not only did I hsve a sort of analogue 'undo' by winding back, I could also record all 8 individual tracks into a daw, sync them up and remix the same song but from all 8 individual tracks. Four track recording was fun and forced creative thinking in a way that the DAW doesn't seem to. I used to have an idea and just hit record. I think becoming entirely PC based in 1998 was probably what killed the hobby of music creation for me. That and the pressures of beoming a responsible adult of course - LOL! After moving house in 2001 i never recorded agsin. Your channel has reminded me of the fun I once had when I had no decent gear and just enjoyed making what I called 'music' (I'm not a real musician!) with what I had, and recording direct to tape.! :) Thank you.

[@FullDominationNET]

I have a question about tape speed. If I record on 9.5 speed is that tape going to play in "slow motion" on a cassette player that plays 4.75 speed? If so, how do I record at a high quality and make high quality tapes for the masses? Thanks for your time and help, with videos like these.

[@424Recording]

You'll have to do a bounce like in this video or bounce your tracks to the computer and then copy them from a digital master. Thanks! And thanks for watching!

[@stefanpaul4181]

Wow, cool song! I somehow missed this video when it was published. I don't seem to hear much difference between Type I and II cassettes. I really haven't recorded a whole lot this year... definitely not living by the 80-percet rule!

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Stefan! I think the Type II might have a bit more high-end, but obviously, these types of comparisons can be tough over the web. Same here, re: recording. I haven't had much of an inspiration or desire. Here's to 2021! We're going to be going Dawless if you want in! I hope you're doing well!

[@stefanpaul4181]

@@424Recording Oooh, that's a tough one! I suppose I could go between the Zoom16 and the 424, but I haven't had any luck recording the full band on the 424. Even as a 3-piece, it just doesn't quite get the sound we are going for. Maybe we can figure out a way to bounce tracks or record intros and segues on the 424, or maybe overlay some backwards tape/guitar stuff that way. Basically we just keep getting stuck on getting the vocals right. Everything else is easy.

[@424Recording]

Oh yeah, I remember you saying that. You definitely gotta use what works! What's challenging about the vocals? Just not the right sound? I've always found it helpful to research certain artists and techniques I admire; it might be a good jumping off point for you!

[@stefanpaul4181]

@@424Recording Mostly just that I can't sing some of my own songs, but it's not always apparent until it's on a recording. I think I finally got the one chorus of the one song that's been stumping me. I'll have to record it again when I can get to it.

[@sesa1076]

You ever mess around with vhs mastering? I’m intrigued and I have all the stuff so I’m thinking about it.Apologies if I have asked this before, as I am sober right now.

[@424Recording]

I have not. I've seen a couple vids on it from Made on Tape and Memory Loss Inc and have heard of people doing it over the years but have never given it a shot. Let me know how it goes it you try it!

[@trianglerecords]

Your stereo cassette deck has magnetized heads, the sound may be clearer with type II cassette (about 14/16 Khz).

[@424Recording]

Interesting... I was not aware of this. Thanks, Albert!

[@trianglerecords]

@@424Recording always welcome. I recorded for years on a Porta03 and at the end on 424MKIII. I migrated late to DAW. An exemple here with Ardour : kzbin.info/www/bejne/oauYqnqtaNF8jtE

[@424Recording]

Sounds great, Albert. I can hear the multitracking influence on this

[@lofimijo208]

very broody and moody. i like

[@424Recording]

Vicente! I hope you're doing well. Thanks!

[@miracleman7836]

All these years I've been using a 4 track fostex recorder and thought I was mixing down when I was really bouncing, huh. Your song sounds great.

[@424Recording]

It's possible I mixed up the terms haha. Thanks, Miracle Man!

[@jasonelambeth]

Those type ones always have such crazy bass. It’s too bad they are more the standard tape.

[@424Recording]

I know, right? On our How To Make Tapes series, it's crazy how much bass I had to cut from the cassette master. I've always been blown away by that, like I couldn't believe my ears

[@jasonelambeth]

@@424Recording I know man! I ran into the same thing with my last tape. Those tapes from NAC really blow up the low end.

[@424Recording]

Yeah. That's the great thing about doing them at home. Idk, for Just a Trick, I think I made 3 or 4 masters before I got it right haha

[@jayemteemusic]

You track at normal speed?

[@424Recording]

High with the pitch wheel up

[@kutnersuicide]

Good song. I prefer type 1. Type 2 makes the vocals more "essy" and harsh.

[@424Recording]

Yeah! The Type I definitely mellows some of the high end in a great way. Cheers!

[@MadeOnTape]

Type i cassette is FAT 🤘

[@mustardsweat8819]

damn this song is so cool. Ur a big inspo and resource for knowledge. Hope its cool if I plug my self here. I record mostly on my 4 track. Its been having issues so Im thinking of getting a model 16 once I have the money. Here it is though soundcloud.com/user-41044209/sets/smile

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Mustard Sweat! You should join the Discord. There's a lot of like-minded musicians there and you can share your tunes in one of the channel as well. Sounds great! Model 16 would be cool! I've been really digging the Model 12 and it's got a very similar workflow discord.gg/h3pHAG5

[@mustardsweat8819]

@@424Recording Thnx!, Ill give it a shot