Tawassul & Istighathah - Is seeking aid from other than Allah Shirk? - Shaykh Hamzah Bakri

[@المتونوالفنونالمغربيةوالسوسيةا]

This is wat the scholars call tahqiq. Excellent research. Deep Kalam and Hadith scholar.

[@randomrandom6939]

1). I don't know how you refute Christian & shias(Ya Ali Madad). There is group in Christian Jehowa Witness who don't believe jesus to be god, they tell you, we worship god through jesus. christians do become Muslims so If Christian will tell you that I will become Muslim saying sahadha but at the same time I will ask for help from jesus. would that make him Muslim or mushrik. absolutely mushrik. You guys should join Christian, hindus, jews. 2). The text of Quran is clear, asking help from the dead people whether from prophets, messangers, awaliya(friend of Allah like Shaykh Abdul Qadir jilani), peer(saints), shaykhs, righteous people who are not alive in this world but alive in the barzakh is Mushrik. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 3). When it comes to living people in this world, then ulema put condition like someone is present, alive in this world & able to help that he's capable then it is permissible like Allah said in Quran related to Musha alyhisalam & other prophets asking help from their followers. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 4). When they are live in this world, barely they understood 2-3 language, but somehow Ali ibn Talib radiAllahhunAnhu & prophet Muhammad peace be upon him understood more than one language. Allah is Al ALim(all-knowledgable) not propehts & companions this is major shirk in Allah's sifaat(attributes) 5). And also at the same time, they listen the voices of many peoples in front of their or far from their graves while all of them asking for help or saying oh prophet or awalia make dua to Allah for me(which is major shirk intercession, bidah & haram, as well) 6). Shirk makes people intellect corrupt 7) watch shamshi videos recently with barelvi-sufi by typing on youtube | Shamshi Vs Bareliv Al Istaghtaha| 8) for more about tawheed, sufis, istaghta, tawasool(wasila) & shafaa'ah visit abdurrahmandot org website & learn directly from schoalrs

[@Hamxa-IslamicTalks]

@@randomrandom6939 😂😂😂 Nice Effort, BUT You know Nothing About Kalam!!! 🛑 Debate ends with 👇🏻 1:- Hadith of Uthman bin hunaif r.a (How do you interpert this, Making Tawassul in life is allowed and after death is shirk ☠️ 😂) Wut Nonsense? 1:- The HADITH of *BILAL BIN HARIS ALMUZANI R.A* 😘 If you have any doubts on its narration chain ⛓️ Leme know!

[@Uni-ch9yr]

قال عليه صلاة و سلام: إذا سألت فاسأل الله وإذا استعنت فاستعن بالله

[@ahmedyawar31]

قال عليه الصلاة والسلام اذا اضل احدكم فليس له انيس فليقل يا عباد الله اغيثوني ثلات. حديث صحيح

[@Truth_seeker999]

@@ahmedyawar31 what's the reference ? Bukhari, Muslim ?

[@Karted-xe6pf]

@@Truth_seeker999 you think those two books and nothing else exists? Imam an-Nawawi narrated this one and said that he practiced this once and it worked

[@sifat_biswas]

Beautifully explained.

[@ShafiAshari]

Jazakallahu khairan shaykh.

[@mohamedm3618]

Is this shaykh a Sufi or ashari?

[@numairahmad5231]

Beautifully conveyed. ❤ Keep up the good work.

[@abdoth5396]

بارك الله في جهودكم

[@redrumoxy8363]

Very well explained. Although, I do not see the difference between tawassul and istigatha. Except for it being a mere linguistic difference in the sense of approach. Basically the same thing. A slight discrepancy, perhaps, and that's it.

[@user-pr4kv2nm5]

jazakallah for translating this❤❤❤❤

[@sucatoe]

Jazakallah Khair Brother for translating this video, May Allah reward you. I had a question: Did any of the scholars of past equate istigatha to apostasy based on just what was asked without considering belief. Like how stepping on the quran is apostasy because even though it is in the realm of action, it equates to disbelief. So because asking for rain and paradise is known to only be asked of Allah, asking it of other than Allah is apostasy based on implication?

[@asifgani918]

I still can't grasp calling out saints from a far. Isn't their hearing possible through the will of Allah swt while only Allah swt is all hearing

[@skeso2k157]

The sıfat of Allah that he is all hearing isn’t limited to being able to hear from afar. The Prophet peace and blessings be upon him could hear people talking in Mecca while he peace and blessings be upon him was in Medina

[@Gggggggglllk]

You answered your own question at the end. Allah SWT is ALL HEARING so hearing from afar & close doesn’t apply to him. The prophet ﷺ or any other human hearing from afar is still a limitation, because by saying he hears from afar doesn’t automatically mean he hears everything & anything like Allah SWT. & Allah knows best

[@randomrandom6939]

1). I don't know how you refute Christian & shias(Ya Ali Madad). There is group in Christian Jehowa Witness who don't believe jesus to be god, they tell you, we worship god through jesus. christians do become Muslims so If Christian will tell you that I will become Muslim saying sahadha but at the same time I will ask for help from jesus. would that make him Muslim or mushrik. absolutely mushrik. You guys should join Christian, hindus, jews. 2). The text of Quran is clear, asking help from the dead people whether from prophets, messangers, awaliya(friend of Allah like Shaykh Abdul Qadir jilani), peer(saints), shaykhs, righteous people who are not alive in this world but alive in the barzakh is Mushrik. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 3). When it comes to living people in this world, then ulema put condition like someone is present, alive in this world & able to help that he's capable then it is permissible like Allah said in Quran related to Musha alyhisalam & other prophets asking help from their followers. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 4). When they are live in this world, barely they understood 2-3 language, but somehow Ali ibn Talib radiAllahhunAnhu & prophet Muhammad peace be upon him understood more than one language. Allah is Al ALim(all-knowledgable) not propehts & companions this is major shirk in Allah's sifaat(attributes) 5). And also at the same time, they listen the voices of many peoples in front of their or far from their graves while all of them asking for help or saying oh prophet or awalia make dua to Allah for me(which is major shirk intercession, bidah & haram, as well) 6). Shirk makes people intellect corrupt 7) watch shamshi videos recently with barelvi-sufi by typing on youtube | Shamshi Vs Bareliv Al Istaghtaha| 8) for more about tawheed, sufis, istaghta, tawasool(wasila) & shafaa'ah visit abdurrahmandot org website & learn directly from schoalrs

[@imrannoor2232]

Let those who deny Tawwassul and Istigathah call out to Allah directly on the day of judgment when all human beings even the greatest prophets ask for the intercession (which is Tawassaul) of our beloved Prophet Muhammed ﷺ

[@HassanKhan-kq4lj]

In India people do a lot of istighathah and there are two groups who call themselves Sunnis. One of them says it is shirk and the other group gives explanation that you gave for it being permissible. This is the first time I heard the explanation that says it is not shirk but impermissible. I actually agree with this opinion that it is not shirk but still it is not permissible You are totally correct. If we look at someone doing istighathah it looks like he is making dua even though it is not the case and most people go to the salafi extreme because of this

[@tazboy1934]

Actually the deobandi don't say it's shirk rather it's Haram...I know because I search with their ulema...while barelvi allow it...yes some deobandi like Tariq massood which I believe is in error on this issue

[@HassanKhan-kq4lj]

@@tazboy1934 bro which deobandi scholar said it is haram. They all call it shirk. I have a friend who is a deobandi. He straight away told me that you barelwis have a lot of shirk beliefs. But when I asked him which beliefs are shirk he couldn't even name one

[@kasimshaikh3750]

​@@HassanKhan-kq4lj Just go to any dargah in India plenty of shirk all over the place.

[@John8_1]

​What SHIRK they are performing in Indian Shrines?? Yes i agree with you that there are lots of Bid'ah going on on those shrines but you cannot label it SHIRK @@kasimshaikh3750

[@ahmadramli8207]

​@@tazboy1934early deobandis did say this even some allowed it but later it was all clear wahabism

[@VrMangalore]

Assalam alaikum brothers TAWASSUL / ISTHIGATHA are permitted things For people asking are you doubting ALLAH will not accept your dua directly….. Same can be said when we arr asked to make dua special times/ special places like on seeing KAABA… do we doubt ALLAH will not accept our dua anywhere else… Quran says seek help through patience and salah… do you then think we cannot seek help other than salah time or when we are not in patience… Similarly AWLIYA ALLAH and ANBIYA ALLAH there are classical scholars verdict on that like SHAMSHUDDIN RAMLI ra on isthigath being permissible… Imam ALAWI MALIK from Makkah ISTHIGATHA is nothing but asking awliya ALLAH to make dua for us , even those are demised … Some people’s dua are more accepted And also PROPHET MUHAMMAD Swallallahu alaihi sallam asked his sahabas to ask OWAIS AL QARNI ra to make dua for them if they meet him…. LOT OF THINGS to say if the discus continues…. Assalam alaikum

[@Adil-ly4sk]

Some in the comments really didn’t understand or willfully didn’t want to understand the explanation provided. It’s pretty clear: Istigathah is either a creedal matter or a fiqhi matter. If it’s creedal, the person asking another creation for help thinking so and so imam, scholar, etc. is independent of Allah, then the caller is clearly in disbelief. There is no dispute in this. Anecdotally, I haven’t come across any Muslim thinking this way nor do I know any stories of Muslims thinking in this regard from people I know. However, if the person knows Allah is the true doer of all actions, and all creation is dependent upon Him alone, then it is a fiqhi discussion where it has been deemed permissible or impermissible to use such phrases like, ‘oh Imam help me with such and such.’ There is only a linguistic difference between tawassul and istigathah in this respect. Tawassul isn’t even worth explaining as the presenter has stated it is accepted in all 4 schools unanimously. As for why we don’t ask Allah directly? Nobody prevents a Muslim from doing so. If anything it should be encouraged to ask Allah first and foremost. Scholars have said though it is desirable to ask Allah through a pious intermediary to get dua’s answered. However, in reality the caller is asking Allah as Allah is truely the doer of all actions. He answers all dua’s of Muslims, so it is not about asking Allah directly, as the presenter stated. No Muslim would say the rain caused the plants to grow even though you clearly see it happening that way. In reality, Allah is the one who created and willed the plant to grow. Hope that helps.

[@EA-hz9mg]

Also to add its highly recommended to do tawassul thru ur own good deeds as stated in Hadiths. So when ppl say “just ask Allah” there is so many Hadiths mentioning tawassul that it would ignorant to claim its impermissible

[@sysybaba420]

Also, a lot of us sometimes ask other people or a sheikh or an Imam to keep us in their prayers, especially when it comes to making Dua for a family member that has passed away. Why then ask someone else to keep you in their prayers while you can pray and ask Allah yourself? Well in short the answer is, you never know who's Dua will/can be answered. And if we say that's okay to ask someone alive then are we saying that the prophet ﷺ is dead in his grave? While prophet Musa(as) was seen praying in his grave when Rasool Allah ﷺ was on the journey of Meraj? Or that he ﷺ was able to be a mediator for the people when he was alive during his time? The prophet ﷺ is the best of the creation, the chosen one and the beloved, if you use him ﷺ in your Duas to Allah InshaAllah the chances of them being is answered is much much higher than just using our own broken Ill established prayers and Duas.

[@navinstrument8353]

Jazakallahu khairan for the explanation br.

[@mhmd_old7]

There's no evidence that it becomes a fiqh matter anyways, no one did it and it is definitely Shirk Akbar to do that filthy work.

[@aneesbhiwandiwala6211]

Blessing of place ( Multazim ) Maqame Ibrahim , Mehrab Mariyam etc or Person Nabi Kareem or Siddiqun Sauleheen more acceptable Quran 4 : 64

[@Uni-ch9yr]

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا Say: oh Muhammad I only call upon my lord and I do not associate anything with him! Surah Jinn. If this is what the messenger of Allah was commanded to say how can we come and call upon other than Allah? The Messenger of Allah told Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas : If you ask then ask Allah! And if you seek Aid then seek aid from Allah. Why didn’t he say seek aid from me? Or seek aid from the Awliyah? This is pure shirk no doubt. والله المستعان

[@Uni-ch9yr]

صلى الله عليه و سلم

[@ALI53040]

So you have never taken help from anyone other than Allah?

[@moaadzeedan6363]

⁠@@ALI53040 the person has to be 1. Alive 2. Present 3. Capable of doing so Calling upon a dead person checks none of these boxes. Only Allah can answer your duaa. When u ask help from someone in the worldly life they have to check those 3 things I mentioned. “Hey can u grab me that cup water.” This is not the same as calling upon the dead which is shirk to do. This is simply asking for normal help.

[@IlyasToriyama]

​@@moaadzeedan6363where do you get these 3 criteria from?

[@ibrahimkhilji829]

@@IlyasToriyama salfiys never say as abdur rahman hassan didnt say to shaykh asrar in the debate on tawassul. wahabis make things up and change things

[@SufiMuslimBD]

Not even 1 among all Muslim anyone will get who believe any Auliya have independent power of help, whoever seek behind the seeking in the deep inside of the heart what is available is, this is the Pious saint of Allah whom Allah Subhanau Wa Ta'la gifted the ability to help me what I'm seeking to him.

[@altafpatel]

Can I call Jibreel, Can I call Dhulkarnain ? , can I call Na i Eisa or can I call anyone whom I think is closer to Allah , can I can a stone believing that it does have its own power but Allah gave the power to this particular gem/stone to fulfill my needs ?

[@tazboy1934]

​@@altafpatelstone have no benefit or harm...if u think any thing have independent power from Allah and can cause benefit or harm whenever he/she /it wants then it's shirk

[@altafpatel]

that means I can go to church and call Nabi Eisa for help believing that Nabi eisa do not have his own power rather it is Allah and can call literally anything ... stone/statue/?@@tazboy1934

[@altafpatel]

@@tazboy1934 so if I believe the stones have no independent power but Allah gave this power to certain individual or stone or statue and then I can call upon these stones/idol/statue ? If I visit a church and ask Nabi Eisa (jesus) believing that Allah has the power and he is the sole provider, ??

[@namakubento9276]

​@@altafpatel Yes you can, who cares? You can ask something from a stone, and believe it to have some kind of power I would probably call you as an idi0t, but i would never call you a mushrik unless its known that you worship it

[@MM-mc8hs]

What’s the difference between invoking a “saint” with or without a statue? The mushrikeen of Quraish did not believe the idols were independent of Allah, rather they believed idols were intercessors with Allah. Is the speaker this ignorant? Is the speaker claiming that invoking Qadir Jeelani WITHOUT statue is halal, but invoking Qadir Jeelani WITH statue is haraam? Statue or no statue, invoking to other than Allah is major shirk and punishment is eternal hellfire. You can take it or leave it

[@ishtiaq968]

It's good he clarified the prohibition of istighata at the end. There are clear verses in the Qur'an which prohibit calling upon other than Allah, so it is an aqeedah issue. A person will never call upon other than Allah, unless there is some benefit, that's why they are calling/addressing another entity, otherwise it's just a pointless call. Whatever the initial belief, this direct call to other than Allah, eventually leads to the belief that there is a benefit, and there are many examples of the Sufis from the language they use. A persons hope is in the one that is addressed - and if that is some wali, then they have hope in that wali. These walis are like mini gods, no one knows their reality but everyone has their favourite wali. Istighata is the distress call made in the most desperate situation, so it's a call to an entity where you are desperate for help and benefits, so to address that distress call to other than Allah is a calamity, the most lowest of act. Also in terms of Tawassal, so much for the love of the prophet, making him the same and ordinary like others. The Prophet is the best of creation and restricting Tawassal to him is honouring him. But those who have a disease will keeping chasing others.

[@yamasclass]

you missed the point.

[@ishtiaq968]

@@yamasclass ok why don't you enlighten us to this important point then please?

[@sosacarlos5971]

The entire video went above your head. And that is the case, because you don't have a basic understanding of Aqeedah of a Muslim i.e. he believes everything happens by the Will and Power of Allah.

[@edrismubirucrystalprintltd8179]

​@@ishtiaq968u are very right brother number of scholars do not understand elim tawheed, I saw the vedio Shk. Fawzan talk about it.

[@MrFaizaanshaikmodeen]

​@@ishtiaq968 As salaam u alaikum. If you don't mind me answering your question...The important point which he concluded with at the very end of the video is "And there are acknowledged scholars who opine on its (Istigatha) permissibility and others who opine its (Istigatha) prohibition". This means that there is a difference of opinion on this matter amongst the scholars, therefore, it would be incorrect to label every single muslim as mushrik, if he/she believes in the permissibility of Istigatha.

[@moaddeclerq7768]

can we have the subs to translate to dutch pls jzk

[@waleedsulaiman651]

4:59, Surely there is a difference in calling on the NABI (S.A.W) compared to let's say Abdul qadir jilani? I can 100% understand why IBN taymiyah would close the door on anyone else other than our Nabi (S.A.W). Whilst HE (S.A.W) is human, he is not any Human, he is the MOST BELOVED to ALLAH...

[@TheSlaveOfAllah1992]

Whatever good they did, it is good for them, it will not hurt you. This is haram, Allah informed us to ask him whatever we want in du'a, not going through anyone. Read the books of the salaf-as-salih. Tawheed is very important and it revolves around the Deen. May Allah guide this man.

[@tazboy1934]

This is why he prohibits it because laymen Muslims don't even have a proper basic understanding in aqeedah

[@mohammadasifayaz4955]

So just to confirm they don’t affirm Istighatha bi-Nabi ﷺ

[@bayhaqiyyah]

Shaykh Hamzah Bakri personally believes it is impermissble based upon the Fatwa he follows as he does Taqlid. So yes this is his view, but of course he is open to the existence of the other view as well. Barakallah Fikum!

[@altafpatel]

Can I go to church with my Christian friends and make Istighatha to Nabi Eisa, he is also alive and one of Allah’s beloved messenger, because I believe that Eisa (jesus) himself cannot do anything but the main power is Allah

[@marufabdullah8241]

No​@@altafpatel

[@altafpatel]

Why ?@@marufabdullah8241

[@mohamedm3618]

I don’t get it. What’s his view? Is for for people calling on other than Allah like the prophet? Also is what aqeedah does dr Hamza follow?

[@bayhaqiyyah]

He follows scholars who view it as impermissble, this is the opinion he is on. However, he also accepts that the other position exists.

[@randomrandom6939]

@@bayhaqiyyah 1). I don't know how you refute Christian & shias(Ya Ali Madad). There is group in Christian Jehowa Witness who don't believe jesus to be god, they tell you, we worship god through jesus. christians do become Muslims so If Christian will tell you that I will become Muslim saying sahadha but at the same time I will ask for help from jesus. would that make him Muslim or mushrik. absolutely mushrik. You guys should join Christian, hindus, jews. 2). The text of Quran is clear, asking help from the dead people whether from prophets, messangers, awaliya(friend of Allah like Shaykh Abdul Qadir jilani), peer(saints), shaykhs, righteous people who are not alive in this world but alive in the barzakh is Mushrik. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 3). When it comes to living people in this world, then ulema put condition like someone is present, alive in this world & able to help that he's capable then it is permissible like Allah said in Quran related to Musha alyhisalam & other prophets asking help from their followers. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 4). When they are live in this world, barely they understood 2-3 language, but somehow Ali ibn Talib radiAllahhunAnhu & prophet Muhammad peace be upon him understood more than one language. Allah is Al ALim(all-knowledgable) not propehts & companions this is major shirk in Allah's sifaat(attributes) 5). And also at the same time, they listen the voices of many peoples in front of their or far from their graves while all of them asking for help or saying oh prophet or awalia make dua to Allah for me(which is major shirk intercession, bidah & haram, as well) 6). Shirk makes people intellect corrupt 7) watch shamshi videos recently with barelvi-sufi by typing on youtube | Shamshi Vs Bareliv Al Istaghtaha| 8) for more about tawheed, sufis, istaghta, tawasool(wasila) & shafaa'ah visit abdurrahmandot org website & learn directly from schoalrs

[@ambivalentrants]

Filled with such baatil analogies.

[@EA-hz9mg]

Shush 😂

[@faisalmuhiuddin4398]

I don't get it. What is the trouble directly asking to Allah? Do you doubt Allah will not give you, so you have to use someone as an intercessor. It is a matter of your low expectations of Allah being the Ar-razzaq, rather than anything else . If Allah has told us explicitly in the Quran at several places to ask only to him, and he surely replies, what is the need for going out and getting into something unnecessary and creating hassle and fighting on it. I just don't understand. May Allah guide us all to the right path.

[@muhammadhassanattari7419]

Brother next time you find trouble lifting a cupboard, ask Allah and then will see if youre cupboard moves or not

[@faisalmuhiuddin4398]

@@muhammadhassanattari7419 i will ask Allah, and by taking the name of Allah, I will lift it!!

[@faisalmuhiuddin4398]

@@muhammadhassanattari7419 maybe asking someone else like prophet wont work either if you want to lift a cupboard above your limit

[@muhammadhassanattari7419]

@@faisalmuhiuddin4398 wahabi spotted

[@faisalmuhiuddin4398]

@@muhammadhassanattari7419 when people don't have any reply, they resort to namecalling. On a side note, I am not a wahhabi, I am a Muslim who believes in Allah and his messenger Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)

[@Mustaphaboroot]

السجع مكروه ولكن دعاء غير الله جائز

[@Truth_seeker999]

The hadeeth he quotes is when the prophet was alive…and claims without references

[@Awliyah786]

Read Hayat ul Anbiya by imam Al Bayhaqi

[@randomrandom6939]

1). I don't know how you refute Christian & shias(Ya Ali Madad). There is group in Christian Jehowa Witness who don't believe jesus to be god, they tell you, we worship god through jesus. christians do become Muslims so If Christian will tell you that I will become Muslim saying sahadha but at the same time I will ask for help from jesus. would that make him Muslim or mushrik. absolutely mushrik. You guys should join Christian, hindus, jews. 2). The text of Quran is clear, asking help from the dead people whether from prophets, messangers, awaliya(friend of Allah like Shaykh Abdul Qadir jilani), peer(saints), shaykhs, righteous people who are not alive in this world but alive in the barzakh is Mushrik. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 3). When it comes to living people in this world, then ulema put condition like someone is present, alive in this world & able to help that he's capable then it is permissible like Allah said in Quran related to Musha alyhisalam & other prophets asking help from their followers. This is mentioned by Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan | Ibn Uthamin | Ibn Baz | Shaykh Salih Aly Sahyakh & other major scholars 4). When they are live in this world, barely they understood 2-3 language, but somehow Ali ibn Talib radiAllahhunAnhu & prophet Muhammad peace be upon him understood more than one language. Allah is Al ALim(all-knowledgable) not propehts & companions this is major shirk in Allah's sifaat(attributes) 5). And also at the same time, they listen the voices of many peoples in front of their or far from their graves while all of them asking for help or saying oh prophet or awalia make dua to Allah for me(which is major shirk intercession, bidah & haram, as well) 6). Shirk makes people intellect corrupt 7) watch shamshi videos recently with barelvi-sufi by typing on youtube | Shamshi Vs Bareliv Al Istaghtaha| 8) for more about tawheed, sufis, istaghta, tawasool(wasila) & shafaa'ah visit abdurrahmandot org website & learn directly from schoalrs

[@jaywalker6464]

If it's allowed, why bother invoking names of those dead saints when you're doing tawassul, they are certainly not better than Rasulullah saw. Doesn't make sense.

[@altafpatel]

Can I go to a church and make Istighatha by saying O Jesus (ISA) believing that it is Allah who fulfills

[@marufabdullah8241]

No

[@altafpatel]

Why ?@@marufabdullah8241

[@lonemurtaza2276]

Jesus is not in church. They have placed hanging idol, which is not jesus

[@altafpatel]

@@lonemurtaza2276 again I do not consider that idol to possess any power yet make him waseela that Allah has the sole power and can grant my wish and has the absolute power. So that should be right ? Because Jesus is one of Allah’s beloved prophet and he is alive , so whats wrong in Waseela with him ?

[@John8_1]

You can do Istigatha with Jesus Alaihissalam but what is the pupose of going to that Idol??​@@altafpatel

[@MM-mc8hs]

Invoking to other than Allah is major shirk and the punishment is eternal hellfire

[@ahmedima2463]

Amin

[@ansary111]

You are mistaken... Considering Anyone other than Allah as an ultimate source and independent source of Good and other than that is Shirk. Keep your definition right.

[@MM-mc8hs]

@@ansary111 So according to your theory, invoking to Buddha (while considering Allah as ultimate source) would be Tawheed?

[@munirbozkurt9642]

​@@MM-mc8hsWhy buddah ? Why not the Prophet or friends of Allah ?

[@MM-mc8hs]

@@munirbozkurt9642 Is dua to Jesus عليه السلام Tawheed, according to you?

[@Mustaphaboroot]

يبررون الشرك

[@Shiyam-eh3dj]

How many sects in your Awlia worship?

[@tazboy1934]

Their is a difference between Dua and istighatha I heard

[@Shiyam-eh3dj]

@@tazboy1934 iyyaka na’budu wa’iyyaka nastha’een. Isthighada is also shirk. Worship doesn’t mean 5 times prayers in Islam.

[@FaruqAgent]

The question is allah is bound to good things no u don't know tauheed none of thing can make allah bound allah is absolutely independent so ask allah directly their are some intellectual ahowing stupidity don't follow them he listen to all he is rabullalimeen

[@GhostRider-yh7sh]

Crazy!!!! if u want help or anything else. ASK ALLAH DIRECTLY

[@solimanmohamd1074]

Sharh mumtig

[@HB-pq4rd]

جهل وتدليس

[@ahmedyawar31]

و الوهابية قوم لا يعقلون و لا يفهمون شيئا

[@AdamouIbrahim-oz7kf]

Waooooo, I don’t think what he is saying is correct seeking help from Allah through other is the same practice of the pagan makkans us to to do, i believe non of the four Madahibs allowed Tawasul, please people should verify this source, Allahu Alam

[@sysybaba420]

Brother with all due respect, He just said it's established by all 4 madhabs and the masses? You think he is saying without any research? Please have a little open mind and just sit down with your own thoughts and think about the level of the prophet ﷺ that was given to him by Allah. Not a second goes by without the prophet ﷺ being praised in this life. All the adhan in this entire world has his name mentioned, all the iqamas, all the prayers that we perform has his name ﷺ in it. Every attahiyyat we recite is a conversation between him ﷺ and Allah. Allah says in the Quran "And we exalted for you your remembrance”. SubhanAllah, just look around yourself and you'll see how the prophet ﷺ is continuously being praised around us. Also, a lot of us sometimes ask other people or a sheikh or an Imam to keep us in their prayers, especially when it comes to making Dua for a family member that has passed away. Why then ask someone else to keep you in their prayers while you can pray and ask Allah yourself? Well in short the answer is, you never know who's Dua will/can be answered. And if we say that's okay to ask someone alive then are we saying that the prophet ﷺ is dead in his grave? While prophet Musa(as) was seen praying in his grave when Rasool Allah ﷺ was on the journey of Meraj? Or that he ﷺ was able to be a mediator for the people when he was alive during his time? The prophet ﷺ is the best of the creation, the chosen one and the beloved, if you use him ﷺ in your Duas to Allah InshaAllah the chances of them being is answered is much much higher than just using our own broken Ill established prayers and Duas. At the end of the day، if you have a problem with Tawassul, just don't do it, which is completely fine. But just don't say anything against it without having done all the research yourself. May Allah (SWT) guide us all, آمین۔

[@munirbozkurt9642]

So you are an ignorant person .. Don't argue ..

[@munirbozkurt9642]

​@@sysybaba420Aameen ❤