Taylor Swift & Matty Healy are OFFICIAL and swifties CAN'T handle it

[@theswiftologist]

ok so obviously this video cuts off abruptly LOL sorry that's an occupational hazard of rushing things out for my dear swiftologists...anyway it was just me wrapping up and telling everyone to go outside!! hope you enjoyed it anyway

[@kitschesque]

This is actually iconic thank you for the comedic relief!

[@purplebutterfly314]

WERE YOU SILENT OR WERE YOU SILENCED?!

[@Impond]

@@purplebutterfly314 I came here to say this 💀

[@kaystenist]

you spoke too many facts that the video just died dead

[@OlindasArtisticOddities]

it was awesome timing

[@tiny306]

"Joe cured her ED" now that's what's truly disgusting here. Taking away her power and autonomy over her own body. Sick. Joe may have supported her through that time, but the only person truly able to get her out of it was herself. Woof

[@SJ_1992]

Soooo true

[@xotennisxgirlox]

“Cured” her ED? We have no clue what goes on behind closed doors. Yeah she gained some weight during reputation but now she’s pretty much back to her weight before. She can still be struggling. We know nothing about her personal life.

[@tiny306]

@@xotennisxgirlox Legitimately!!!!! I mean she seems healthier now. She's not simply skinny like before: she has a lot of visible muscle now which can only be defined with proper nutrients, so I'm hopeful she's all right

[@richmaxmchalliwchester1984]

@@xotennisxgirlox she did lose some weight but it's nowhere close to 1989 era. She also has visible muscles, her hair looks great and overall she looks very healthy and full of energy even after 3 hours of performing.

[@Pretty.Biology.Princess]

@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984I’m sooo envious of her back muscles especially visible in the ICSY music video 😍 one day hehe 💪

[@emmonello7079]

Zach 2023: the swifties are clutching their pearls Taylor 2024: Hannahs and Sarahs clutching their pearls

[@kerrisouth]

Like he knew! Lol😅

[@scotagamelyn]

Or she was inspired! Writing credits for Zach.

[@GenZComicReviewer]

Taylor: "I consent" Matty: "I consent" Taylor Swift "Fans": "isn't there someone you forgot to ask?"

[@Ninitschga]

😂😂😂 THIS is literally the whole point!

[@AshleyZieman]

😂

[@pinkribbons476]

LOL yesss this is literally how they are acting

[@Holmnielsen-]

you summarized the situation in the least number of words possible

[@lea2767]

is that from the jesus meme hahahahah

[@chloehorner8958]

Joe cured her eating disorder!???!? I’m an eating disorder therapist. That is PREPOSTEROUS. I can’t help but laugh. So insane. Let her do what she wants. WE DONT KNOW THEM. We don’t know her, we don’t know him!!!!

[@LKYme]

I agree. I thought that was absurd and terribly offensive. However, we might not know him, but we know he isn't ashamed to joke about the brutal, racist porn that he views. Google "Matt Healy Ghetto Gangers" to better understand why people think he's so terrible.

[@burnt.norton]

@@LKYmeexactly like he’s made horrid, racist remarks on podcasts literally a few weeks ago. but a majority of swifties are white so i guess they don’t care?

[@burnt.norton]

@@LKYmeand anyone who supports any type of entertainment that depicts black women being physically abused by white men is insane. how taylor can enable that behavior is baffling

[@marfaschwarz]

@@burnt.norton isn’t he from Europe? The concept of dark humor there is very different from one in States. I know nothing about Matty Healy, I’ve never listened to the 1975, so please correct me if I’m mistaken

[@burnt.norton]

@@marfaschwarz yeah he’s from the uk, but i just think that no matter where you’re from, if you make racist jokes ridiculing the phenotypes of black women, it’s incredibly gross and morally wrong. not only that, but he’s very in-touch with american culture, he acknowledges that the things he’s saying is bad, yet he still continues to say it. the concept of using “dark humor” to get away with racial discrimination is absurd.. anything anyone says has consequences

[@taylorlovesbooks94]

Maybe it’s because I’m an older swiftie, but it’s weird to me to be THAT invested in who she dates. To the point it’s actually affecting your mental health. At the end of the day, all these people are strangers to us. She can date who she wants.

[@Vigilanteshitsupremancy]

Im 14 and dont get this people

[@berryrl9]

Also it’s so weird like the so call self proclaim internet feminists are the one being the loudest about this but they are also the one crying on how Matty singing along to Lover song and said that song belongs to Joe. Like they are reducing every Taylor songs to Joe.

[@rurubelle2920]

It would be a hoot if Taylor stays with Matty for years and years just to spite the swifties who are acting crazy right now.

[@f.h.7671]

@@rurubelle2920 don‘t say that too loud. it sounds like something she actually would have done coupple of years ago

[@cristakampert8740]

Yup. I am a 31-year-old Swiftie and I have no idea who that guy is and do not really feel the need to research. I only hope she is happy

[@pinkysaurusrawr]

Okay so its the mid-2010s all over again. Even though she's been out here saying that everyone puts too much pressure on her to be perfect and judges her too harshly because she's a woman, apparently the fandom has learned nothing. "She's a pop star who dates boys and writes songs about them. Thats the job description; she's doing her fucking job." by far the best part of this video. I'm here for the mess and the tea

[@sacredsunflower8930]

☕️ 🍿 agreed

[@f.h.7671]

i just hope she is stable enough this time round. i don‘t need any form of selfharm again. and id like to be excluded from this narrative as a fan

[@Amanda6532]

I thought one of the reason that most of us were here was for the mess and the tea. 😂

[@nishthagupta1357]

IKR!!

[@nikkiknack]

Is she building to the reputation re-release???? I'll equally take 1989 a la 1975 but still

[@justina2320]

"Thinking critically does not mean that you have to cancel someone or stop liking them, or that you have to completely block yourself off from having them part of your ecosystem. It doesn't make sense to me that in order to the right, the good, the moral, the upstanding Swiftie you have to swing from "she's never done anything wrong in her life" to "she's a witch and we have to burn her" " THIS. Thank you.

[@indecisiveranter]

"the swifties clutching their pearls" "hannas and sarahs and their sunday best, clucthing their pearls saying 'what a mess'"

[@escalarc]

that "clutching their pearls" aged like fine wine

[@austin3082]

Kind of weird that stans are so delusional to believe that they have any power to control who somebody dates, it’s just so weird to me. People are too entitled cause how the hell are you going to tell a stranger what to do?

[@austin3082]

@@Obliviouscanadian like what are you going to do bitch? 😭😭😭 this is why I couldn’t be a celebrity cause I’m quick to wanna fight 😂

[@austin3082]

@CryMeARiver WTF 💀💀💀

[@seto_kaiba_]

They're woke. Woke people operate like a cult. If someone tried to tell me to dump a girlfriend to appease their ideology-I would knock them out for the insolence. Right wing or left wing.

[@manouka]

@CryMeARiver I-

[@nnnn-sc2im]

oh no fans want an artist that has marketed themselves as a activist to not date a horrible man how crazy

[@shilohgoes5544]

This narrative that Joe “saved” Taylor is so disgusting.

[@madisonliz_]

I agree, nobody knows what happens behind closed doors. Joe could have hurt her deeply

[@sirsimonthesentry4787]

@@madisonliz_ I think he did. I think he broke up with her because he knew (I think she did too but had a harder time facing it), that unless he wanted to be called Mr Swift, they couldn’t get married. Don’t even get me started on kids…

[@lilaboxx]

Yeah... I don't doubt that their relationship was good for them at the time but you can fall out of love for whatever reason. That doesn't mean it was bad all along but that also doesn't mean that she wouldn't have gotten out of a bad place without him. You can't always "save yourself" humans need support systems but no one person should "save you" idk if that makes sense I'm so tired (Whoever said Joe cured her eating disorder: JAIL)

[@misssummerchick33]

@@lilaboxx yesss, I think Joe is exactly what she needed at that time. In her own words she says “You don’t need to save me, but would you run away with me?” We won’t ever know exactly what happened nor is that anybody’s business. She seems so happy right now so everyone needs to move on.

[@chrish.6895]

Yep. And I gag so hard at ppl saying she owes her best work to him

[@sirsimonthesentry4787]

Swifties can say what they want but it isn’t hurting her as far as numbers go. So honestly, why should she care about how we feel about it? She is literally breaking records every day right now. And only a fraction of the fandom is actually upset (I would say thousands), but I have seen at least or more absolutely loving this. So are we saying all the 1975 fans are horrible people too for liking their music? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@berryrl9]

So true, the regular listeners who don't care who she's dating at the moment will still be buying tickets and streaming her songs. People who care make up for only like 15℅ of the fandom and 2℅ of the human population who regularly listens to her songs and streams it

[@twothousandandchew]

not. all. swifties.

[@twothousandandchew]

@@berryrl9 not. all. swifties.

[@AllTheArtsy]

it actually probably makes her more money that more people chirp and cry and tweet about her. she keeps winning.

[@flamingaish]

lol i was labelled a terrible person for liking the 1975. i left a harmless comment under a short “omg i can't believe my two fav artists are together!” i find it saddening that some people are so out of touch w reality, it must be a dark place to be

[@HH-lr2zt]

What I find so interesting is that these Swifties act like Matty Healy just appeared in her life like yesterday. They've been friends since at least 2014. He predates Joe Alwyn. Of course I don't know how close they are or were, or what boundaries Taylor had with him as a guy friend while she dated Calvin, Tom, and Joe. But it seems logical to me that she has history with him and they've both seen each other evolve over the last decade. Say what you want if you think he's gross, but he's not just a rando she met the day after her and Joe split up.

[@sockeeee]

Exactly! She knows him way better than any swifie, so can't we just trust her to know what's best for her??? She's 33 for god's sake, she doesn't need to be mothered by anyone!

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

You've hit the nail on the head.

[@郑酥]

And it seems like Matty has been in love with her from 2014, It's just never the right time. He even wrote some songs about her 😂

[@trinayuhhh8771]

@@郑酥 some of us theorize that oh caroline was for her 😭

[@andyro19]

I find this so hilarious! Taylor is not a baby, stop looking down to her. She's a grown woman!

[@rhysphil9332]

We should all just be celebrating this age appropriate relationship in Hollywood lol

[@priyanka8933]

This comment!!

[@nuggetdoja871]

lol right

[@chicpoetique]

I love this comment

[@PandaWithAJetpack]

My first thought upon hearing they were dating was exactly this

[@RubyChiang]

And the one with Alwyn wasn't?

[@bubbletea2035]

i think some Swifties relate to Taylor so much that her dating someone they wouldn't date shakes them out of the delusion that they share the same mind with her, and they feel betrayed

[@priiifrg]

interesting point!

[@katenicholson4152]

Agreed!

[@haynb03]

The only Taylor Swift content I follow is this channel and Taylor Swift herself. Thank you for being sensible about both parties being human. The only way one can learn from mistakes is to make mistakes, so if this is one, I hope she becomes stronger and one step closer to whatever she strives for. I actually discovered the 1975 from all of this drama. After listening to the music and watching interviews and concert videos to educate myself, I am now a fan of both parties! Life is everchanging, everyone.

[@irmamckinney2356]

I agree with @haynb03 … after all this drama started I wanted to see what the truth was and I have to say I changed my mind so fast. I agree this might change her to be a lil bit more outspoken. I believe some of these Swifties are clicking just the buzzfeed article and just reading it. Not looking at the whole picture . I can go on and on. He isn’t the devil some are making him seem. I hope that some Swifties actually educate themselves before making some bold statements. ❤

[@angelaharding8354]

It’s weird how swifties on the internet are feeding into the “good girl” persona that Taylor spoke about in Miss Americana as being something that was actually so damaging to her. She is a 33 year old human woman. She is not a child, she’s not your mother, she’s not your best friend - she can date whoever she wants. Stop shaming her.

[@andreas.3893]

As somebody who rebounded from a bad breakup with a man who owned one towel and thought Joe Rogan hung the moon, I’m honestly impressed with Taylor’s choice 😂

[@Raelven]

We've all done it. 😂😊 Proud. Not proud.

[@katherinepierce7948]

I laughed so hard, thank you 😂 hopefully, you know have someone who has at least 2 towels

[@lonesapphire]

I rebounded with a guy whose job was to dress up like a pirate...and he was in his 30s. We've all been there. 😆

[@Holmnielsen-]

haha, well i hope he was a good time.

[@hananahphone]

LMFAOOOOOOO thank you for your service

[@HavenleighPark]

Just a thought, this could be pretty epic, (purely from a music fan perspective), she strikes me as being very much in the mindset of “I’m over trying to be perfect, I’m doing what I want right now, cause I’m a grown woman who doesn’t have to justify my choices to anyone” This could be the beginning of some seriously insanely next level good albums! And, on the Matty front, it is possible that being around her might help him learn to think before he says or does things that are questionable. (Although the swifties that are full of opinions, will definitely say that nobody who’s ever done anything remotely questionable, can ever redeem themselves, or change for the better, and, I’m sure they would know, because they are all angels, that are beyond reproach)

[@iluvfri3nds]

Swifties are insane bullies, I don’t even know where to start with that because it’s just so bad. They’re bullies even to their fellow Swifties who don’t have this sheep mentality.

[@SJ_1992]

Yeah and they forget that Taylor too had a mouthy phase in her life (ex. Joe Jonas) and she grew up and out of it. It happens. We are all humans, and this cancel culture is obnoxious

[@musicfangirl7403]

Yes to all of this!

[@SassyShell13]

❤❤❤

[@rmh0116]

This aged well

[@carolinegeorge13]

Apart from the whole Matty Healy/ Joe Alwyn thing, another thing that left me shocked was how both swifties and casual fans were like "oh I hoped she would just have her fierce single lady era" or " I wished she would have been single a little longer" or "This is not healty for her, she needs to heal" etc. Like, excuse me, who are you? Her therapist? Her parent? Her close friend? You have wishes about HER love life... Is she a movie character? I know that we all feel like that in a way we know her, that's part of the parasocial relationship she also helps foster and which I think, to a degree, is well and good and fun. But to act like you actually think you know her personally and know what's best for her is crazy. Plus, let's be honest, these people would never dream of saying these things to their closest friends.

[@andyro19]

If people are going to give away their tickets for the eras tour I totally can receive them lol

[@jsam78]

SAME

[@Kelvis.pov4]

I thought the same thing lol

[@angelaharding8354]

I’m exactly. Like please if doing is going to be that painful for you, I’ll take the tickets. 😂

[@jsam78]

@@angelaharding8354 yes, I will take this bullet for you, no need to thank me 🙏🏻

[@andyro19]

@@angelaharding8354 haha we're only being helpful. Such good people!

[@RyanStorey1231]

I really hate "Guilt By Association" shaming because a lot of the times, the person associating with the problematic person gets even more shit than the actual alleged problematic person. Especially if they're a woman.

[@sirsimonthesentry4787]

True. 1975 has a huge fan base that doesn’t seem to have a problem with Matty, and clearly Jack doesn’t, or his band, or Phoebe who he has been friends with for years. So all of the sudden it’s Taylor who has to take a stand.

[@Justy1001]

I agree and disagree. Women do get more shit than the actual problematic person. I do think dating a problematic person is tacit acceptance of his problematic viewpoints and actions. This tacit acceptance happens all the time, beyond just Taylor’s relationship with Matty. In an ideal world people wouldn’t date others who consistently, frequently say and do harmful things. I don’t wish to control who she dates but it is disappointing because I had friends who dated racists and I couldn’t hang out with them because the things their partners would say were awful and I didn’t want to be around that.

[@AllTheArtsy]

@@Justy1001 true. quietly (in this case loudly) condoning someone's bad behavior is still condoning bad behavior

[@justina2320]

Yeah that's what's bothering me too. You should judge Taylor's actions as she kinda normalizes his behavior but let's not forget that it's HIS behavior. I've been downvoted so many times on reddit for saying this, but I'm glad I'm not alone. I hate cancel culture so bad

[@jonathan7797]

@@AndromanKaya but matty has had more than one thing that’s problematic. but ig racism and all those other disgusting things aren’t problematic from your implied imput.

[@lauryn.online]

“Your feelings can be valid, but I don’t have to validate them.” FUCKING YES!!!!!! I need this phrase on stickers, on a shirt, on a tote bag. I love it. Yes, king.

[@nuralhelaly]

I’m living for messy Taylor! Let her live, let her collect new materials 🎉 I swear to god some swifties are stupid 😂

[@twothousandandchew]

it’s prime cancel culture days. and most of the fans are young me included by i think cancel culture is stupid 😍. but the rest of us who are into cancel culture definitely are at the bottom of the food chain

[@benjaminlaw1819]

Yes! She's just living her life & having a blast. I'm all for her doing whatever she wants. People need to grow up & get a life

[@sacredsunflower8930]

🍿

[@9Nikko8]

they're not stupid imo but rather immature. probably many of them are teens and pre-teens

[@ViviStud25cx]

Frr

[@HelloThere604]

The seems like a safe enough place for me to admit that I’m internally having the greatest joy of my life as someone who has been a fan of The 1975 and Taylor for a long time.

[@trinayuhhh8771]

omg i feel you 😭 its tough out there on twitter.

[@lils7818]

Same. The 1975 subreddit is also a safe space, maybe you would like it there too :)

[@dxylightxx9066]

i can’t handle twitter anymore… nice to see that there are still sane swifties around…

[@brenzo2224]

Same, I had to delete twitter because everyone is switching up on her its ridiculous. I'd get it if she actually did something horrible but shes just dating a guy? Sure hes said some weird things and its valid to be dissapointed and upset at what hes said but I dont see how it reflects on her character when they surely dont know anything about him and really her in actuallity. Just seems like a very trivial thing that people are hung up on, and certain people are really wishing harm upon her over this whole thing, its really reached a point where its just too far and it sucks being in this fandom wanting to still support her and just talk about her music when all people are doing is talking about this relationship.

[@郑酥]

Same i block a lot of Twitter accounts and leave the Taylor Swift subreddit. It's became insufferable at this point. 😅

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

@@郑酥 I had to leave the Taylor Swift subreddit discord as well as that was becoming insufferable too.

[@vickyj7834]

TikTok is worse

[@Lucas1217_]

the worst part of the situation is that this has really revealed how intense swiftie entitlement truly is. you are obviously allowed to have an opinion on taylor’s new relationships, that’s pretty inevitable. but the way people feel like their opinion should matter to her is gross. you don’t like matty healy? that’s fine. but you don’t get to try and tell taylor what to think and how to go about her relationship. i think this is a bigger issue than swifties and more speaks to cancel culture in general. anytime a celebrity does something morally wrong or even associates with someone who’s done something, they are immediately burned at the stake for everyone to see. even after apologizing. i think the need to seem like the most morally correct person on earth has really gotten to people on the internets heads. so you’re telling me you’ve never done anything wrong in your life? you’ve never made a comment that you would be canceled for? what a lot of swifties fail to realize is that their opinion, the opinion of a random person on the internet, should not matter to taylor, and furthermore, her relationship should not matter to you to the extent of having a breakdown and not listening to her music anymore. i’m going to the eras tour in august and would NEVER give up my ticket. but seeing the amount of swifties switching up their thoughts on her so quickly is actually insane. people need to get off their high horse and realize the insanity of the situation.

[@kattttttttttttttt2141]

I actually fact checked the stuff about problematic Matty but what happened was im now a fan of him. He is not that bad as what they're trying to paint him honestly. As for the podcast, most are just jokes... and 3 men talking, which Im used to silly jokes like that cause i have guy friends and jokes are done to just laugh and have fun reduce stress from work. That doesn't mean they're bad people for loke trying to copy an accent. If people are that sensitive, how can they actually build relationships in the real world? Without understanding someone or giving him freedom to make jokes? Like are they gonna cancel all their friends or co-workers? Are they all perfect? I think some of them are worse..like bullies who are obsessed with cancel culture

[@beccab8294]

@@kattttttttttttttt2141 Oh yeah, porn brutalizing and humiliating black women, such a funny joke ! Now, I wish people would stop make excuses for a grown man like him. If he can't control what he's saying, that's on him.

[@cheems408]

​@@beccab8294 nah fr I don't understand how these people can just brush the brutalizing black women part under the rug?

[@luvelytayz]

stop making excuses for a grown man who has said things i definitely would never 💀

[@kattttttttttttttt2141]

@@beccab8294 then go attack the porn industry and tell them to stop producing it. also cancel those porn stars cause they're the in it.

[@eva-joycornell3402]

I saw someone say that Jack Antonoff should "have his Jew card revoked" for associating with Matty and I'm pretty sure that's just antisemitism

[@anaseymour4556]

They're antisemitic for the sake of "fighting antisemitism" yikes

[@AG_12345]

That’s insanity

[@eva-joycornell3402]

@thisneedstoSTOP_pushingt-mn3cs fr saying that somebody isn't Jewish because they don't act the way you want them too is antisemitism

[@causeimnachoprincess]

I saw a tweet from a swiftie saying "taylor is accountable here - not matty. men are usually shitty so he is just one of them but taylor CHOSE to date him" as if holding her MORE accountable than the perpetrator is correct and just. thank you for this video because most reactions on this are making me insane

[@karmaisacat9]

Big yikes... she is not responsible for his bad behavior/comments...

[@MiguelPerez-r4b]

Honestly I disagree with you on so many things but on this, i'm completely on your side Zack. You got me. Swifties really need to calm down.

[@shakiragoofygal]

They need to calm down! They're being too loud!

[@justlisten9435]

Yep, this is one of the few videos where I agree with everything he said - my goodness.

[@j.6133]

This!

[@jon.callaghan4165]

Why would you be mad, when you could be glaad

[@emilia.sunflower6921]

I really hope Taylor is not paying attention to any of this and continue to date who she wants, continue to write the music that we love, and continue to be creative...this kind of backlash is embarrassing.

[@Raelven]

"I'll be damned if I do / give a damn what people say."

[@emilia.sunflower6921]

@@Raelven 😍🤩😍

[@erinslagle9906]

Idk why my fellow Swifties get so invested in Taylor's relationships. Like I just want her to be happy and create music. Unless she dates someone like a terrorist or a truly horrible person she can be with whoever. I'm deeply in love with someone my family doesn't agree with, but it's my life. Let the woman find her happiness wherever it comes from

[@hayley0786]

Didn’t this man recently admit to enjoying porn that depicted the abuse of black women? called “ghetto gaggers”? and the “idk why swifties get so invested in taylor’s relationships” argument is BS to me, simply because this woman has made a career out of writing songs about her relationships, current and past, and ENCOURAGES her fans to spend time deciphering the meaning behind her music, hunting for easter eggs and dissecting her lyrics. it doesn’t make sense to gripe on fans for being invested in her dating life when taylor is purposefully inviting this type of behavior with the creative decisions she makes.

[@erinslagle9906]

​@hayley0786 deciphering her music doesn't entail wanting to cancel her for who she dates. You can be interested in who Taylor dates and what she does without seeking to harm her or cause strife in her life. There's a difference between looking into meanings of songs, following what Taylor does, and critizing her for how she lives her life. As for the porn thing, most porn is made up and filmed by consenting adults. There's nothing wrong with watching a certain type of porn. Now if these are truly videos of people actually being abused and raped, that's messed up. But when the porn industry makes videos of fake scenios, it can be hard to distinguish a made up situation from a real one

[@hayley0786]

@@erinslagle9906 I don’t necessarily agree with that. I will say that obviously she’s grown and she can date whoever she wants, yada yada. but if the person in question that she’s dating reflects poorly on her character then that says a lot about who she is based on the company she keeps. If her shtick was inclusivity, acceptance, tolerance, feminism and lgbtq “activism” and her behavior and people she keeps around exhibit the opposite of that, then yea, i have some questions about the integrity of her character and who the person i’ve been supporting for years really is.

[@steftheref]

@@erinslagle9906 I’m sorry how are images of black woman being degraded just a “type of porn”? If you don’t think that watching something like that reflects anything about who Matty Healy is, than idk what to say.

[@hayley0786]

@@erinslagle9906 “there’s nothing wrong with watching a certain type of porn” I also disagree with this. Excessive porn use in the general sense warps our perception of reality and the people we interact with. So If someone is into violent, degrading porn (REGARDLESS if it’s fictional) then I am urged to think that it points to something in regards to their character and how they see people who are the subject of these types of videos, whether or not they were consenting. Yes, real s*xual abuse in p*rnography is horrible, but the fictionalized abuse of people who exist in real life for sexual pleasure is ALSO problematic. If i were a black woman and i found out about this man’s porn habits, even though it “isn’t real” i would feel very, very uncomfortable because i would wonder, at this man’s CORE, how does he see me as a human being?

[@martaboldu]

I’m astonished to have found a channel with structured critical thoughts inside the ts fandom and honestly just in general, even though this is just for fun it’s still better than a lot of serious content on the internet. It was really a terrible day to be on reddit/twitter.

[@WoolyPronto]

omg THANK YOU for this. that subreddit is the worst kind of unhinged because they are simultaneously patting themselves on the back for being "reasonable". there was a post recently, written in utter sincerity, titled "Swifties Maturity Appreciation Post" lolololol. the problem with this virtue signaling is that it's *meaningless* . people think they're doing activism by posting. if you're truly upset with the (very real and harmful) injustices of society, please go volunteer with a mutual aid group or organize your workplace.

[@jakestroll6518]

As a black man what activism would you like me to do in lieu of pointing out that white allies who date racists are themselves complicit? White Swifties forget we exist and maybe this is a wake up call about her and her community. Fake allies.

[@E42545]

I saw this too and literally guffawed …and ofc the one main long comment talking about how deeply problematic and virtue signaling it was got downvoted to hell for being “mean” and “missing the point” 😂😂

[@rightwhereyouleftme__]

That Swiftie Maturity Appreciation post was the final straw for me, I'm off that hellscape. People are INSANE. Making me legitimately embarrassed to a part of this fandom, there are so many losers in it.

[@vankr]

I've being saying that. Cancelling Taylor Swift does not make you an activist

[@vankr]

@@rightwhereyouleftme__ Also I noticed they are not allowing posts that have a different point of view, I tried a bunch of times

[@sweetporcupine56]

I have compassion for the people responding this way and their feelings, but it’s also very strange to me that people are making such a huge deal about a woman getting out of a serious relationship and hooking up with an obvious fuckboy. This is not unexpected, it’s a cliche. Relax and ride it out, kids.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Omfg right!!

[@mirandabee2323]

Your compassion is kind and valuable, especially to swifties of color who are uncomfortable with Matty's comments about Ice Spice and enjoyment of Ghetto Gaggers.

[@berryrl9]

​@@mirandabee2323 I'm a woc and don't give a damn. But who and who?

[@mirandabee2323]

@@berryrl9 I'm glad you don't give a damn! More power to you! /genuine Ice Spice is a Black hip-hop artist he made fun of (and dragged east Asians into it by saying she was Chinese, and then he and his podcast friends he was talking to started mocking Chinese accents, in Feb 2023). Ghetto Gaggers is a cornography company that depicts white men brutalizing and "taming" Black women. Matty casually mentioned enjoying GG to the same aforementioned podcast friends (also in Feb 2023).

[@erinek1449]

He’s not really a fuckboy… he’s had like three long-term relationships. And none of them have said anything bad about him so yeah.

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

I am not the biggest fan of Matt and Taylor, but I am not gonna be cancelling Taylor over this. As you reminded me, Taylor doesn't usually date guys for long. And I also know that Taylor has had questionable taste in friends (points to Lena Dunham). So I decided I'll just wait it out and just enjoy the show.

[@karmaisacat9]

I kind of agree -- I'm not a Matty Healy fan and not thrilled about them being together but at the same time, it's her life and she can make whatever decisions she wants to.

[@slowlyweather]

this aged well

[@suzie_do_you_copy]

Taylor is gonna end up covering "Because I liked a boy" by Sabrina Carpenter as a surprise song because she's unhinged and the public is feral lmao

[@amandaleighplans]

Okay that would be iconic though lol. I love that song

[@GenZComicReviewer]

This aged very well.

[@Sadielady1978]

Or write a million songs about him and the public!

[@juliareis6619]

I am a new swifie (became a fan in the folklore era), i enjoyed her music casually when i was younger but i never let myself be a stan of hers because i was 11 and in my head she had stolen Harry Styles (my boyfriend) from me. I had to work a lot on myself and my internalized misogyny over the years and i hope these people do the same, because is honestly embarrassing.

[@berryrl9]

Taylor Swift is the Queen of Forbidden Love type of theme. The more you guys talk badly about this dude the more she will be crazy for him as he is her "forbidden fruit" per say.

[@BrookeDoesScience]

Oh gosh. I didn’t realize the swifties were doing this to this extreme … the heart wants who the heart wants. Also, people change, people are misrepresented, etc. we don’t know all the details of each person’s life and that’s okay

[@nishthagupta1357]

EXACTLY I GUESS

[@livvyl0u82]

im LIVING for the moments when you put your mic to the camera to ask for the crazies to answer 😅😅😅

[@goldilox2474]

It is so refreshing to see your commentary. Thanks for being a voice or reason. You are so articulate. Subscribed!

[@whitneymiller819]

You are my new favorite person! I am a Swiftie and some of these people are straight up embarrassing and delusional . If they would actually do a little research and not believe every twitter thread they see about Matty Healy being a horrible person they would see that most of it is a lie. He has made Some mistakes but who hasn't. They have blown everything way out of proportion and have taken many thing out of context. If they hate Taylor so much i wish they would just unstan and move on.

[@nataliewhite1989]

She’s a grown woman & certainly not the first to jump into a rebound relationship. I’m 34, about the same age as Taylor Swift, & cannot imagine how annoying it would be, being dictated to & bullied about my love life by a bunch of teenagers. 😂😂 Before all this I hadn’t heard many songs by The 1975 & now I’ve listened to so many of their hits on Spotify, I love them! Hopefully despite all the hate, they’re gaining new fans along the way. 😁

[@郑酥]

LoL me too. Listen to a lot of their songs recently 😂 some of the 1975 fans said "Me&you together song" and "about you" is wrote about Taylor 😂 I kinda like it

[@Amanda6532]

It is the teenagers and people in their early 20s following trends who are threatening to stop being a fan. At 32 I’ve invested too much time in supporting her. She’d have to practically kill someone for me to leave. Canceling someone over a boyfriend is ridiculous. About to go look them up and give them a listen. 😂

[@jerlong4422]

@@Amanda6532 Please do Amanda, honestly you won't regret it. The BEST is their recent Madison Square Garden live concert on KZbin, the first half is from most recent album, with deep material where you see a lot of introspection, there is a middle 'performance art' section by Matty (bear with it) and then the second half is all their 'greatest hits' and see the show-man. Plus the whole The 1975 are just amazing musicians. Enjoy and thanks for having an open mind!

[@garysimcox345]

Further thoughts - “it’s not a pilgrimage, it’s not a hike” made me spit out my wine LMAO

[@annikatastrophe9934]

By being a swiftie, we sign up for her music and the eastereggs and nothing else. Some people might be struggling with idealizing Taylor and making her part of their personal daily life. I think that none of us have the right to judge her relationships in any ways, because they are not her job and swifties having opinions about her private life is not, what Taylor signed up for. her job is her music and thats all. Also, she is not actively hurting anyone with this. And if Taylor were to do anything scandalous (e.g. the private jet), people should think about it, but there's a difference between this and her relationship status (because here, she is harming the environment, which results in hurting our world). So quite honestly, the world is facing way bigger issues right now, than some dude, who is dating Taylor Swift and supposedly has made critical statements

[@SJ_1992]

💯 True

[@Augustforever13]

it has been really hard on twitter the past few weeks, there's zero middle ground hahah like non, it's either 'he is the devil' or 'he is a sweet guy'... I also saw WAY too many people critising Jack and saying 'how could he possibly call himself a jewish person and be friends with matty' like that's too far!

[@kianna270]

People are so odd these days. Like fr people need to go outside and smell the roses bc they make out every person who’s said maybe some weird shit, into an evil person. Pretty sure none of us are saints, so who are we to judge, truly? I just don’t know where these people get off!

[@pennyhofstadter9542]

Also as a *geriatric* Swiftie (a fan since 2007) I kinda hope this whole situation helps get rid of some of these fake fans. The bandwagon is taking up too much space at this point.

[@blve.january]

"bc the swifties, just clutching their pearls" "clutching their pearls sighing what a mess" psychicologist??

[@AugustSlippedAway15]

“It’s a concert, not a pilgrimage” 😂😂😂 I CAN NOT 😂😂 (but also so true)

[@korgaupisc129]

I just read about the absolute madness this is on reddit and a buzzfeed article. Then I came to this channel to re watch the first video on Matty and Taylor and surprisingly this video was there. Perfect timing. I heavily appreciate your take on this. Doing the lords work here. I don't believe in cancellation and especially not in cancellation because of association. People are crazy.

[@Raelven]

I guess the people shouting from the rooftops weren't yet born when everyone burned their Dixie Chicks CD's and immediately regretted it.

[@DehSky]

0:32 No way Taylor didn't watch this video and write But Daddy, I Love Him right after

[@tatizabaneh27]

Honestly, ive been a ts fan for very little time, so this whole situation just seems realy ridiculous to me Never, in any other fandom ive been a part of, people were so quick to change on an artist for dating someone I totally agree with you, its just insane

[@sarahalfakih1095]

Nicki minaj married an alleged rapist and I don’t see her fans making a big fuss like swifties are doing

[@florencehaber9847]

​@sarahalfakih1095 stop spreading rumors of Minaj and her husband. You don't defend a person by spreading rumors of another who has nothing to do with Swifties.

[@tinagarrett1685]

You are amazing, Zack! I am so glad you are here to ground people! Just because someone calls themselves a Swiftie doesn't mean they can control her actions and feelings. She is not our robot! She is a human who can live her life they way she wants to. I would not want someone trying to control what I do. People, stop being gross!

[@lynetteturnblom4402]

Not your "clutching their pearls" comment making BDILH. 😂😂😂

[@aquabonsu1]

I am a '75 fan and I endorse this message! Thank you for holding up a mirror for some to see themselves, but I doubt they will.

[@thisissarah815]

Nobody NOBODY is a perfect person!! I don’t understand why so many people thought she was a literal saint. She’s a culpable human being just like the rest of us. I’m glad she’s getting hers and I’m glad she’s finally allowed out of the dungeon Joe kept her in. Now I don’t have to try to like Joe anymore, because honestly, he always rubbed me the wrong way.

[@Carol_in_SLC]

Same.

[@elle.3792]

People thought she was a saint because the only song she had about her making mistakes before rep was Back To December. Her singing songs abt how her exs wronged her (justified) , people thought she had no fault of her own

[@rurubelle2920]

​@@elle.3792 And most swifties are too dumb to realize what the song Anti-Hero is really about.

[@rurubelle2920]

Lmao, not the dungeon!! 😭😭

[@kattttttttttttttt2141]

Yes. Me too i dont find him...likeable or something but i never ever said something bad just cause i dont like him for taylor.

[@liaamalia7324]

i'm so glad to have found your channel. you're like a bright torch in the darkness that is taylor swift fandom (re: cult)

[@mackenziearnold7389]

Stop, Zach predicted (or inspired?!) the “clutching their pearls” lyric on TTPD…….

[@cristaw2078]

All this reminds me of when everyone was in their “hating Taylor, canceling Taylor” phase and I remember sticking through that because I have been a Swiftie since her Tim McGraw single came out and I will continue to ALWAYS be a Swiftie unless she does something ACTUALLY bad like idk murder or something like that. It’s unfortunate ppl treat celebrities like Gods and they can do no wrong but just because you may not always agree with someone doesn’t mean anyone deserves this kind of hate.

[@lolalover24212]

I saw a fan say, and I quote "i dont even know matt healy but I heard he dated twigs. I now wonder how he treated her" with a response of "I hope she comes forward with allegations soon". like pardon me??? you HOPE WISH AND DREAM that twigs was abused by this man so it serves your personal narrative? it's insanely fucked up and I'm glad you've brought reason to this discussion. unhinged and ridiculous behaviour from so called fans.

[@iluvfri3nds]

twigs was the love of his life, ppl are doing too much.

[@Alicia__Payne13]

Can I just say that clutching pearls comment aged brilliantly 😂

[@beeperpie]

people who are trying so hard to break them up or whatever for “taylor’s sake” need to stop because the thing is, if they succeed it will probably really hurt taylor and i don’t think you can claim that you’re a fan if you want her to get hurt

[@郑酥]

Oh you have no idea how crazy and gross they are. Some of them now really wish Matty would hurt her mentally and physically. 🤮

[@ascendednightingale2456]

@@郑酥 It’s so weird that they go that route, rather than hoping Matty is the love of her life, treats her well, and makes her happy. You’d think people who “love” Taylor so much would want things to work out.

[@dionis.w]

“The switfies clutching their pearls” and suddenly it is a lyric in BDILH

[@chrish.6895]

These Swifties weren't here for her buying real estate near the Kennedy compound while she was having a summer fling with a teenager lol

[@ameliafargnoli9541]

LMFAO

[@vivanesca]

😂😂😂 help

[@ajshaniq]

Also absent for the whole taking lokis grandma for her daily morning stroll 2 weeks into dating.

[@michellemadison2539]

Real estate is always a good investment lol 😂

[@karishmayangandul7957]

Bruh I saw one person on Twitter use the “Social Contract Theory” to argue, that they the fans, as consumers of “Taylor Swift”, are entitled to expect her behaviors/actions in her personal life to align what they want, or else they are entitled to be “refunded”. I’m not even a Swiftie but reducing the person you stan to like a product/service is like…. I’m sorry… what???? I don’t even like Matty Healy but that’s some truly unhinged shit right there.

[@SandroS123]

0:27 I’M D Y I N G!!!! PREDICTOLOGIST?!!! A literal line from But Daddy I Love Him. It’s honestly scattered how much you predicted as I’m watching your old videos!!!🫶🏼😭😰

[@do.re.mi.2713]

Ok but why no mention of how he was joking on the podcast about watching "Ghetto Gaggers" and admitting that it is porn that "brutalizes" black woman. where is the intersectional feminism from her?

[@oolongtea4013]

i'm sorry but NO celebrity is perfect. taylor is also friends w/ david o'russell, lena dunham, worked on where the crawdads sing where the author is alledgedly a murderer, etc and has been friends w matty for 10 years but the second they're dating ppl have a problem w it. also, so are we going to cancel fka twigs and halsey for dating him too? or are we gonna cancel phoebe bridgers for being friends with him too? ppl need to grow up and be real

[@stubbs3023]

I think you make a great point that people should be here for Taylor and not the men she dates. You said in a recent video that her muse is falling in and out of love and I think you are so right! She is going to be in many, many relationships and we should applaud that in her case because that’s where we get the music. We don’t know any of these men personally and we only know as much about their relationship as she allows us to, so pretending that we have enough info to have an opinion on who she should or should not date is silly.

[@Raelven]

You are so on point here. Female artists who dated one or many people, but never married or had a family, or did so much later in life, after their artistic career had run its course, because they were married to their art, and their muse was ever changing: Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac), Linda Ronstadt, Cher, Chrissie Hynde (The Pretenders) Joan Jett (The Runaways), Bonnie Raitt, Joni Mitchell, Ann Wilson (Heart), Debbie Harry (Blondie), Rickie Lee Jones, Carly Simon, and that's the short list.

[@taylorevanoff5927]

What I'm confused about is the fact that Taylor worked with David O'Russell, a literal self-admitted sexual assailant, LAST YEAR. The man literally assaulted his trans niece. There was barely a rumble about that in the fandom. If they were going to cancel her, was that not enough? I feel it was more appropriate to call her out for that situation, as it was a business decision. Dating Matty is a personal decision, and we can't dictate what she does in her personal life.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@gerardovazquez6441 But it’s ok for the people making the rules on climate change to be flying around in their keys and literally destroying people lives In other ways under the veil of climate change! Tyrannical behavior always needs a crisis for a veil to get control! The world was also supposed go up in a fireball in the 70’s ad 80’s ummm we are still here! Puppet Greta who Paid well, her doomsday date has come and goneN So what drastically happened that the world didn’t devour itself!!!

[@mkg72892]

Right?! I side eyed her hard for that because he’s truly a reprehensible person.

[@nurimendezsota4517]

❤ Taylor puede enamorarse, salir, divertirse… con quien quiera y cuando quiera!! Entiendo perfecto que ahora esté saliendo con un hombre que no tiene problemas de ser visto con Taylor y que la admira, entiende y comparte su pasión… Go girl❤❤❤

[@SwiftCriminal13]

I really do agree that swifties need to calm down, 1 it’s none of our business, 2 we can’t change anything about it, 3 I’ve seen people going as far as saying that they are un stanning her which I think is completely ridiculous.

[@xoldtimesful]

another fantastic video 👏🏻

[@kristinadavis1726]

I’m a VERY new fan of Taylor. I was thinking even though I’ve been loving her lately and see no end in sight, I could never call myself a swiftie because swifties are psycho. And then I found this glorious channel. Will be making this my home.

[@Mrs.Currie]

That is similar to how I feel, only I've enjoyed (most of) her music since her debut. Many swifties are unstable 😮

[@CrystalSki67]

100% same boat

[@tiffylew]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people are just believing rumors and headlines about Matty Healy without taking in the context of what was said or done? I knew almost nothing about him other than he was the front man of the 1975 until recently. when I look into him I find all his big supposed sins are being taken out of context. No one is telling me this is what he did… I go an look at the actual incident and what is being said isn’t the case. I’m so confused! I’ve watched his Zane Lowe interviews and others and I just don’t see the issue. I definitely don’t see a racist, antisemitism, homophobe… it fact, it’s quite the opposite. Are y’all listening to the lyrics? Do y’all not understand art?

[@alexismccrary5610]

Same! Like, I actually went and did the research for myself. He definitely says some out of pocket shit but at his core you can tell he is not “the devil himself.” I don’t understand the ghetto gaggers thing, but from what I heard Adam Friedland was actually the one who brought it up and started talking about this story (that I’m not sure even happened? Like they sounded like they were making it up on the spot) it was still gross and weird but I don’t think it makes him this despicable human being who is incapable of redemption. He says more good things than bad and idk how do we get to decide which side of him is real? I don’t think we can, since we don’t really know him personally. But Taylor knows him, and Jack (a Jewish man!!!) knows him. Like why would Jack be friends with an antisemite? How would that conversation go? “I hate you and think you and your friends should be e*terminated. Wanna produce my next album?” Like, no. People need to get a grip fr.

[@larissa_m]

i am genuinely so obsessed with this video. everything you said here has been brewing in my mind since the news came out

[@nancywhitmore1035]

I seriously love her more now. She's actually a complex person.

[@soitgoes1982]

That Reddit thread was so hard to not respond to, as someone who tries to remain mostly positive online. I recently found your YT videos and this video has made me a subscriber. I'm really enjoying your attitude toward TS, as a performer, artist, and most of all, a person. I love her music and I pay a bit of attention to her personal life, because it's linked to the music and it makes a difference with the lyrics, but I'm not personally affected by her. Also, your outlook on Matty Healy is extremely level-headed. I look forward to more sane, but snarky takes.

[@LuLu98J]

I'm a baby swiftie and I'm SO here for the New Romantics vibes we'll be getting from her for a while now!

[@lau2955]

Being a swiftie will be embarrassing BECAUSE of the swifties...

[@averygiselle9230]

thank you for making this - people are getting crazy and embarrassing

[@Synesthesia_n_Sugar]

Your point about that Reddit thread being everyone virtue signaling to each other is a really good point. When I first found out about her being with Matty, I was like you, just here for the mess and the break-up songs. Then when I saw so many POC Swifties upset, I felt like I have to stop streaming or do something to be a good ally. It's a very "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation: if you are bothered by this, then people will say you're too obsessed with a celebrity and need to go outside and seek help. But if you're not bothered, then they say you're privileged and you're enabling a bigot. This fandom makes me feel like it's a lose-lose no matter what we do

[@bluestrangler0447]

THANK YOU!!!!! Omg I felt that

[@burnt.norton]

as a poc swiftie, you’ve described exactly how we feel too. none of us want taylor to be cancelled, it’s just that there’s this immense discomfort and constant gut wrenching feeling of knowing that the person you respect is associating themselves with someone who has openly spoken against people who look like you. and it feels like there’s nobody in the entire fan base who understands you. if we speak our mind and tell other swifties how we feel, we get guilt tripped, invalidated, or called ‘fake swifties’ for not wanting to ignore injustices. we’re not allowed to be transparent about how we truly feel inside.

[@burnt.norton]

@Luna-whisperss.ASMR_ i completely agree. it’s just that there’s so many swifties in my position that have been told to leave the fan base for expressing that we don’t want to feel discriminated against. it happened in the video lol, one person described feeling uncomfortable and they were met with persecution. i just think that no matter who you are, you shouldn’t have to feel like you’re choosing between your cultural identity or your favorite singer and their predominantly monoracial fanbase

[@bluestrangler0447]

I've watched the video a few times and yeah I can see where it starts to get harsh towards people who are just saying that they are uncomfortable with all that. I'm very sorry for what you and other Swifties like you are going through right now, sending lots of love your guys' way. My take is that it's obviously okay to express your feeling of not wanting to be discriminated against of course and people should be taking that more seriously and offering their empathy. I think where some people take it too far (and admittedly this is probably white Swifties going full savior complex mode) is when people say like you're a terrible person if you like her or stream her music now and get all high and mighty about it. I don't think that's right either. Let me make it clear that is absolutely not what I think you are doing. Part of me has trouble believing that Taylor's inclusive nature that she has shown for a lot of her career would just be gone like that, of course it's a possibility and I will be open to that fact if more stuff comes out about her actions and stuff, but for now I have the mindset of separating the two's actions until further notice. However, I do get the idea of like him really? Out of all the guys out there him??? Yeah, I hope this makes sense it was a tad bit of word vomit over the screen

[@burnt.norton]

@@bluestrangler0447 i know you weren’t replying to me but i really appreciate this comment. its refreshing to see that someone genuinely gets it, thank you lol.

[@serenelovestaylor]

if people are selling their tickets over her dating someone that’s honestly a great thing because more tickets will be going on sale lol i’m actually amazed at how dramatic Swifties can be

[@xotennisxgirlox]

I hate parasocial relationships. The fact that these people think they know ANYTHING about Taylor and Matty or ANY other famous person is insane. She’s not your BFF. She doesn’t know you exist. Sit down boo.

[@Rosie-rx5ry]

Swifties need to face that they don't know Taylor at all. Who would have seen this coming?? Especially after all those songs about Joe. She doesn't seem to be distraught at all over this break up. Just goes to show we can't think we know everything from her songs

[@Swiftiebooklover7]

It's crazy on twitter. I have never seen backlash to Taylor by her own fans like this.People are pissed off.Even in the quotes her new tweet, swifties were getting way more angry than needed.

[@twothousandandchew]

i love her with all my heart and i don’t care.. she is a grown woman it’s so silly to tell a 33 year old who they can and cannot be romantically involved with

[@_olliereyes]

As a The 1975 fan, I am so happy to see there is still at least one Swiftie that isn't braindead. Thank you for this video.

[@lauratzunun1289]

This is the best! I’m glad we have some logic I hope this video goes viral in the swiftie community so they can learn to think.

[@mahikakaushal2579]

thank you. someone needed to say all these things💓

[@idklol-22]

THANK YOU for bestowing me with a shred of sanity. The swifties have gone WILD. Matty seems like a gentleman compared to some of my rebounds, let her figure it out for herself 😂

[@Lindyskatesagain]

Me: A Swiftie who loves Taylor and also loves the 1975. I feel like there is no space for us. I’m excited for a collab.

[@katieB623]

THANK YOU. I literally had to delete my tik tok bc I could not handle people blowing this up it was making me so frustrated

[@aidentan6547]

Me being the OG Swifties since 2006 never really cared who she's dated lol I just support her music and her arts lol unlike some of these new fans who just start liking her music since 2020 crying about the men Taylor is dating lol like go outside and touch some grass she doesn't owe you anything lol

[@jon.callaghan4165]

It's so funny watching all of the new swifties lose their minds over taylor dating someone that's not joe. Meanwhile me and other swifties are like "Yes girl, give us chaos!!" I'm living for all of this, thanks zack 🤗

[@Rolafairy]

I don’t think they’re mad that she’s not dating Joe. They’re mad she’s dating Matty Healy, who has done and said some questionable things for the past decade

[@jon.callaghan4165]

@Rolafairy she could date anyone after joe and they would have this reaction. Taylor is having fun, and so am I 😌

[@Vigilanteshitsupremancy]

I am a new swiftie but Im having so much fun

[@jon.callaghan4165]

​@@Vigilanteshitsupremancy see, you get it 😝

[@kianna270]

I’m not really a swiftie, but I do occasionally like to listen to her, I’m genuinely shocked people are losing their minds over this. Matty is a cool dude, and because he isn’t some clean cut celebrity people are mad lol. This is a dude who smoked weed under the table of a music awards show- I think he’s hilarious and has a fuck it attitude 😂

[@virginiaflory9724]

You’re so well spoken! Seldom any fillers, “uh” “um” “like”. You’re very easy and enjoyable to listen to. Subscribed!