Teacher Dies After Being Tased Six Times in 42 Seconds | Keenan Anderson Case Analysis

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Dr. Todd Grande

Dr. Todd Grande

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@darklausal23
@darklausal23 Жыл бұрын
I had a neighbor that was pacing outside, he approached me, and said he had not slept in days and could not calm down, I checked his pulse, he had tachycardia, told him to go to the ER immediately, he did not want to because he done coke, but finally did, they told him that if he had waited any longer he would have died from a heart attack...maybe the combination of the cocaine and tasers did it.
@kimwhatmatters4085
@kimwhatmatters4085 Жыл бұрын
Yeah if your on coke you can have a heart attack and police know that they knew he was on a substance or heavily thought he was an a lot of substances don’t go well with a taser and not knowing that persons actual health status it’s dangerous to deploy a taser on someone so deployed that many times is really negligent
@kathleenmortensen3065
@kathleenmortensen3065 Жыл бұрын
@@kimwhatmatters4085 what would you have done instead?
@sadiyasaleh233
@sadiyasaleh233 Жыл бұрын
@@kathleenmortensen3065 They could have been able to tackle him and put him in cuffs,even if using force considering he was outnumbered by them. It would be better to be accused of using physical force than homicide.
@frankpaya690
@frankpaya690 Жыл бұрын
Of course it did. You're more likely to have an arrhythmia when you're on a stimulant.
@jasonwilson4138
@jasonwilson4138 Жыл бұрын
​@@sadiyasaleh233From your response it doesn't seem like you've given any thought to why law enforcement officers carry tasers. 99 times out of a 100 getting compliance out of someone using physical violence will cause the person far more permanent damage then less than lethal. A couple of 200 pound police officers tackling a suspect on concrete is a good way to guarantee permanent injury. If you don't like what you see stop giving the government the responsibility of protecting you.
@mosizlackm7522
@mosizlackm7522 Жыл бұрын
I’ve worked in an ER for many years. The general public has no idea how hard it can be to restrain someone who’s high on drugs. One time we had a patient come in high as can be and it took over 8 full grown men just to get restraints on him. I’m not defending the police but believe me when I say you have no idea how strong someone can be when they’re on drugs.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
Or psychotic.
@tammylaronde8593
@tammylaronde8593 Жыл бұрын
What you say is true.
@frankpaya690
@frankpaya690 Жыл бұрын
Most people are critiquing things that they have absolutely NO- background- whatsoever in.
@DarthFurie
@DarthFurie Жыл бұрын
Dude, when my 4 year old nephew was freaking out for an emergency medical procedure it took 4 of us adults to hold him down. When people are panicked they can have HUGE amounts of strength, it's crazy what adrenaline can do
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
@@frankpaya690 Seems to be one of the main points of the internet.
@nhmooytis7058
@nhmooytis7058 Жыл бұрын
I had a friend, a lawyer, who got into cocaine and it made him extremely paranoid, he decided his neighbor across the street with whom he’d had a friendly relationship was trying to kill him so he’d stay up all night staring out the window so the neighbor couldn’t ‘sneak up on him.’ After a minor traffic stop, he drove away before the police officer could give him a ticket, and ran over her foot. They threw the book at him, he got a jail term and hefty fine. So sad to destroy your life for a recreational drug.
@urmamasmamasmama
@urmamasmamasmama Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the cocaine or whatever drug one takes is affecting an underlying mental health issue.
@barneyronnie
@barneyronnie Жыл бұрын
That's why I stuck with heroin. Used over 33 years, and recently retired from my University teaching position (PhD , mathematical physics). Now that I retired, I decided to get on methadone. Have a Blessed Day!!
@Christie-EnergyHealing
@Christie-EnergyHealing Жыл бұрын
@@barneyronnie lol are you having a trip?
@missyfrank880
@missyfrank880 Жыл бұрын
Yep and then we the public are expected to feel bad for them after they develop an addiction that they voluntarily started themselves. I have no sympathy you chose your own consequences by your poor decisions
@barneyronnie
@barneyronnie Жыл бұрын
@@missyfrank880 I'm a retired professor, and never had any issues due to my addiction. Also, one doesn't 'trip' on heroin. Besides, I'm now on MAT, methadone maintenance. I never considered using heroin a poor decision, nor did I ever ask for sympathy or anything else. Why I began using heroin is a long, complicated story. It certainly isn't for everyone 😉
@smokeskull
@smokeskull Жыл бұрын
Protecting someone from themselves is a near impossible task on the street
@stevehartwell1861
@stevehartwell1861 Жыл бұрын
The guy didn't taser himself
@2Bad4YOUuu
@2Bad4YOUuu Жыл бұрын
Could you imagine if we turned police into babysitters? 👶🤣 I mean don't get me wrong, it sounds cute n' all but ...
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer Жыл бұрын
@@djjorge87 don't you know the police are just meant to let you go if you run someone over than attack someone else in a drug fuelled rampage.
@brianb7869
@brianb7869 Жыл бұрын
I don't blame the cops. I'm sure they will though and try to politicapayolaize disssss
@fuzzyfriendsrescuevoluntee3036
@fuzzyfriendsrescuevoluntee3036 Жыл бұрын
It’s super sad.
@IMDunn-oy9cd
@IMDunn-oy9cd Жыл бұрын
Important safety tip: Don't use drugs. This tip will eliminate a huge amount of drama and grief in your life.
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 Жыл бұрын
Never understood the appeal of stimulant drugs like coke anyway.
@stancexpunks
@stancexpunks Жыл бұрын
Yes! Love that you included body cam footage. I always thought your videos could be so much better if you included pictures/videos of the person/case you’re talking about.
@reddiver7293
@reddiver7293 Жыл бұрын
Agree. And unlike so many KZbin videos that show only a small edited portion of an event where someone is hurt and people get all otraged, this shows the whole story.
@investigator77
@investigator77 Жыл бұрын
Go to Thoughts of a Patrol Officer, and search for "Was Keenan Anderson Killed by the LAPD?" Ben is an officer in the Columbia Police in Ohio, and he shows the entire event.
@AMM3.
@AMM3. Жыл бұрын
When I used drugs I was incredibly violent and hostile. When I'm sober I'm beyond peaceful. Its a real factor. Too bad he didn't receive help
@corning1
@corning1 Жыл бұрын
Same. I was a Jekyll and Hyde type drinker. What drugs do to a person you can’t understand unless you’ve lived that life.
@AMM3.
@AMM3. Жыл бұрын
@@corning1 congratulations on your lifestyle change. it's funny because I didn't even recognize that drugs, or more likely the lack of drugs turned me into that reactive, violent person... It was only after more than a year of sobriety I realized I hadn't been in a fight in all that time.. and I still thought it might be a coincidence 🤣 several years later, I can finally admit it was probably the drugs lol
@corning1
@corning1 Жыл бұрын
@@AMM3. oh no. It’s still very much here. I’m a non functioning alcoholic. I didn’t think there was anything worse in this world than alcoholism… until a very bad break up that lead to compulsive gambling something I always knew in the back of my kind I was heading for for years. Gambling like that puts alcoholism to shame. Lost everything. Now back at home at 35 with 50k in debt and don’t want to f myself forever to claim bankruptcy so it’ll take me a whole year with tons of overtime to just break even. This is a ruthless life my friend. I had intended a double barrel shotgun to make sure, or jumping off a bridge. However I knew I wouldn’t. I’m just not brave enough. I’m actually have been so devastatingly sick this last week than I think I have ever been. This life is absolutely relentless. I’m so ashamed of myself for getting into this situation when I have always been good with money. Oh well, it is what it is. I hope you can evade the bottle or whatever is your crutch everyday. Like people say and it couldn’t be more true, he’s just outside doing push ups waiting for you. You evade and evade but take your eyes off for a second and BAM down you go. Much love my friend. I hope you make it.
@barnagotte7297
@barnagotte7297 Жыл бұрын
@@corning1 Jumping is not brave. Getting better is. I feel for you and pray for you.
@corning1
@corning1 Жыл бұрын
@@barnagotte7297 thank you barna.
@phyllisarrington7436
@phyllisarrington7436 Жыл бұрын
My sister is a parol officer. She and her partner were on their way to make a "home visit." They saw the offender at the end of the driveway. She was a petite woman weighing less than 100 lbs. The woman attacked both parol officers, injuring them both in the struggle. The woman was high on drugs and could not be controlled. It took 5 officers to constrain her. Drugs...!
@bunnymad5049
@bunnymad5049 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. People think, "Oh, they should have been able", but it's like a superhuman strength.
@2Bad4YOUuu
@2Bad4YOUuu Жыл бұрын
Zombie Apocalypse
@braceyourselvesfortruth2492
@braceyourselvesfortruth2492 Жыл бұрын
One thing to remember when you hear stories of 4 or 5 cops on one perp, is that the cops are working within the bounds of their own training and rules. Their training is not to restrain them at all cost, but to do so without hurting them if possible. I could restrain a 100 lb woman on drugs by myself, I'd just have to let her snap a few of her limbs in the process. Obviously I wouldn't want to do that as a cop, so I might need help.
@vsenderov
@vsenderov Жыл бұрын
Drugs, or out of shape untrained police officers who never had one hour of martail arts training?
@phyllisarrington7436
@phyllisarrington7436 Жыл бұрын
They had defensive training. My sister mentioned that they used the high/low technique. Her partner took the offender's upper body, and my sister took the lower body. Their goal was to handcuff the woman, but each time they tried, the offender struggled her hands away. Paula told me, "we never cuff one wrist first without having the other wrist available to cuff, too." She said one cuffed wrist gives the offender a weapon. Paula suffered severely bruised ribs from being kicked. Her partner is 6' and weighs 240 lb. She had bites to her arms and hands and facial bruising from being head butted.
@melissabruner1224
@melissabruner1224 Жыл бұрын
It's incredibly difficult to restrain a grown man in excited delirium. Six officers isn't even enough.
@mlovmo
@mlovmo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for injecting some reality here.
@_RobBanks
@_RobBanks Жыл бұрын
thats because they arent trained well. and have poor hand to hand combat skills. they are trained to rely on and immediately resort on their little toys.
@ricladouceur6202
@ricladouceur6202 Жыл бұрын
Exited delirium is a made up syndrome that has not scientific basis and is not contained in the Diagnosis and Statistical Manuel of Mental Disorder. The failur here was failing to recognize the mental health crisis, drug induced or not and change their tactics to address his paranoid state. People in crisis don't respond well to commands or pain compliance and that made the use of the taser unnecessary and counter intuitive in this situation. They had him on the ground and at that point needed to slow down.
@Draven.G
@Draven.G Жыл бұрын
​@@_RobBanks you clearly dont understand what drugs do
@ignaciosavi7739
@ignaciosavi7739 Жыл бұрын
Or 1 BJJ blue belt
@cindyabramowicz4346
@cindyabramowicz4346 Жыл бұрын
In Delaware years ago, there was an incident of a man out of his mind on drugs. A very gentle police officer was trying to calm him down. The guy pulled out a knife and slit the officer's throat. He died. Bottom line - don't do drugs and go easy on the police who are dealing with sometimes erratic people.
@HeatherHolt
@HeatherHolt Жыл бұрын
Tried to find this story but can’t. Do you remember the city or the cops name? Can’t find it anywhere where the man was on drugs and stabbed a police d officer in Delaware.
@ctr289
@ctr289 Жыл бұрын
Nobody cares about the lives of the police or the innocent people in the US, they only care about the comfort of criminals and murderers. It's a failed society, where crime is normalized and even applauded
@ryze1022
@ryze1022 Жыл бұрын
I found it. I tried to post a link to the story but am not able to. Happened at BWI-Marshall airport in 2018. However, the Twitter comments make it appear that the person that died slit their own throat.
@HeatherHolt
@HeatherHolt Жыл бұрын
@@ryze1022 oh wow thank you. I’ve been unable to post links in KZbin comments lately too. I appreciate the info I’ll look into it! 💕
@chrispycryptic
@chrispycryptic Жыл бұрын
Okay.. but if it is clearly a mental health issue like this was, someone trained to deal with mental health should additionally be deployed. He didn't appear to have violent tendencies, and could likely have been dealt with more effectively... the guy looked terrified. Also, if stimulants are potentially a factor, tasers should be off the table period. use pepper spray or kinetic rounds instead. Drugs are a huge problem in this country, and even under the influence 99% of users wont resort to deadly violence. Its pretty disingenuous to point to a tragic, but also fringe case and infer we should 'go easy on them', ya know? Cops are already given a shit ton of power and protection, we need to scrutinize every move they make. Everyone should push for more effective means to protect and serve.
@avidkites
@avidkites Жыл бұрын
I am actually very glad you are covering this. this case has been rather controversial, at least to me, so its refreshing hearing someone talk about it in a very calm and neutral manner
@LildawgBigbite
@LildawgBigbite Жыл бұрын
It was calm, yes. But not neutral. When a man dies shortly after being tased 6 times by overaggressive police in less time than it takes to make microwaved popcorn...and a person asks "was it the tasing or something else that killed him? maybe drugs?"..it is quite clear which side of the fence he stands on. When police attack someone and they die you don't get to sit there and speculate if something else like drugs is actually what caused his death and remain "neutral" at the same time. This "Doctor" made himself look very foolish and the opposite of neutral with his moronic takes on this situation
@whosaidthat9265
@whosaidthat9265 Жыл бұрын
@@LildawgBigbite plenty of drugs increase the probability of you having a cardiac event. That’s common knowledge. Drug use can absolutely be a contributing factor in his passing. Not rocket science
@teenageapocalypseusa5368
@teenageapocalypseusa5368 Жыл бұрын
Also don’t rule out the clot shot. Sometimes all it takes is someone to push you hard and that calamari can get unstuck. Ask the NFL.
@FrancoB411
@FrancoB411 Жыл бұрын
@@LildawgBigbite He died of a cardiac arrest almost five hours later. Tasers don’t do that, drugs do.
@Koozomec
@Koozomec Жыл бұрын
I admire the restrain of these officers. This guy, even if he did not deserved to die, was dangerous on the road and very uncooperative. He did not let the officers any other choice than to be tazed or shot.
@ryarbrough1195
@ryarbrough1195 Жыл бұрын
Don't use drugs.
@Based_Proletariat
@Based_Proletariat Жыл бұрын
Don't be a callous racist.
@paulheydarian1281
@paulheydarian1281 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes, it's really that simple. Either that, or he was extremely unbalanced. It seems he was role-playing some psychotic episode in his mind.
@WhatHappeneduhh
@WhatHappeneduhh Жыл бұрын
But my doctor prescribed me xanax for my anxiety. Should I stop taking them because you said so?
@yunggoosbumps215
@yunggoosbumps215 Жыл бұрын
Or use them responsibly and have some self-accountability rather than blaming drugs for things you do.
@lesliewheeler7071
@lesliewheeler7071 Жыл бұрын
Love the lack of humanity, compassion in this chat...
@nicolejttmom6061
@nicolejttmom6061 Жыл бұрын
Thanks as always, for your fair, balanced, articulate and wise information.
@maevewhite4376
@maevewhite4376 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful analysis as usual.
@sarahalderman3126
@sarahalderman3126 Жыл бұрын
😂 definitely… if ignorance was beneficial.
@CJB787
@CJB787 Жыл бұрын
This is one of those cases that shows that body cams should be used 100% of the time.
@lalalola4479
@lalalola4479 Жыл бұрын
And being tazed 6 times did contribute to his death drugs taze and mental illness I'm shock he was in a hospital when he die what did they do leave him in a room handcuffed and no medical attention till 4 hours later and found him dead put some blame on the hospital
@eirenmist12
@eirenmist12 Жыл бұрын
@@lalalola4479 Why not put the blame where it actually belongs, on the young man who chose to take the hard drugs? All the medical attention in the world can't prevent the consequences of some of our bad choices! You appear to have an overactive imagination, thinking they left him handcuffed in a hospital room and gave him no medical attention. Making up stuff doesn't help the situation.
@workhorse7134
@workhorse7134 Жыл бұрын
Police body cams have been the best thing to happen so now we can see how much the corrupt media lie about police interactions with predominantly black criminals.
@pnwlady
@pnwlady Жыл бұрын
Tazers are better than guns. The sad fact is, it is safe for healthy, sober people, not unhealthy people or those on drugs. Police can’t be responsible for knowing what someone’s heart health or sobriety status is. We have to accept some risk as a society. There is no way to eradicate risk and blame cannot always be assigned to police for doing their job. And people who resist arrest, for whatever reason, are escalating police interactions. Sadly being told that police will kill you (activists distorted view) will lead to more situations like this.
@perfectionnotallowed6093
@perfectionnotallowed6093 Жыл бұрын
The devil is busy. Another senseless death. These drugs are dangerous guys.
@kennedyhouse563
@kennedyhouse563 Жыл бұрын
This is really sad all around. Dr. Grande, thank you so much for covering this so calmly and rationally.
@frankhanson9260
@frankhanson9260 Жыл бұрын
what would have been the best way to deal with this situation. an erratic suspect who's walking in the middle of the street saying someone is trying to kill him. who should respond? in all situations we send Cops with Guns, Tasers, billy clubs and handcuffs. the outcome is inevitable.
@kennethbaker5223
@kennethbaker5223 Жыл бұрын
@@frankhanson9260 Who should we send? The Avon lady? lol
@TheeLosAngelestud
@TheeLosAngelestud 8 ай бұрын
@@kennethbaker5223 The fire dept.. they have paramedics and they dont have guns
@maxbottaro1
@maxbottaro1 Жыл бұрын
Bad decisions may lead to bad outcomes
@Justice_TRUTH_Martyr
@Justice_TRUTH_Martyr Жыл бұрын
*HOW was thisFreak a Teacher???* *I have QUIT My SUB, cuz of this CLickBate!!!!* *I have BeTTer things to Do, than to be LIED to!!!*
@mozeeyyy
@mozeeyyy Жыл бұрын
sadly true
@carsonsmith8607
@carsonsmith8607 Жыл бұрын
Yup. He played a stupid game and certainly won a stupid prize. Nothing important was lost here tbh. He most likely would've become a headache for his family and SOCIETY due to his drug addiction.
@shantelane2553
@shantelane2553 Жыл бұрын
@@carsonsmith8607 You’re sick!
@ArmedandDangerous918
@ArmedandDangerous918 Жыл бұрын
@@carsonsmith8607 nothing wrong with playing a stupid game. He just wasn’t smart enough to beat it
@ohmygoodness5410
@ohmygoodness5410 Жыл бұрын
I think, in the interests of science, Dr Grande should film an episode after he's done a couple of lines and smoked a fattie. That'd be something to see!
@johanvanschouwenburg9459
@johanvanschouwenburg9459 Жыл бұрын
Police was exceptionally nice with this dude. He was a drug crazed felon who resisted arrest and died of drug related symptoms. Period. PS: I can't believe this guy was a teacher.
@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654
@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654 Жыл бұрын
Very preventable. Don’t do drugs…..
@chilloften
@chilloften Жыл бұрын
I’ve always found it odd that our teachers & public workers are not held accountable to drug testings as are other professionals.
@michaelperez9966
@michaelperez9966 Жыл бұрын
Some public workers are drug tested, but teachers aren’t.
@montgomeryfitzpatrick473
@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 Жыл бұрын
Unions haven't been a Force for good in something like seven decades
@PrecociousFriand
@PrecociousFriand Жыл бұрын
But you don't find it odd that government representatives aren't tested? Selective.
@Ipetam
@Ipetam Жыл бұрын
That costs money.
@chilloften
@chilloften Жыл бұрын
@@PrecociousFriand I do. If I’m held to a standard, all need held to it. Not that I even agree with drug testing.
@Skarbro
@Skarbro Жыл бұрын
It’s very refreshing to hear an analysis of an incident without emotions being involved. Thank you Dr. Grande.
@chrissyellem7397
@chrissyellem7397 Жыл бұрын
Back in the 70's and 80's my father worked in law enforcement. I was pretty young but one time he told us about this guy who was on PCP and was like The Hulk! Destroying everything in his path-they couldn't restrain that guy. My dad said he never seen anyone act like before.
@dredubz5825
@dredubz5825 Жыл бұрын
I had a friend who was working on a construction site as a dry waller with a bunch of other guys. Some random dude on PCP came and just started beating the crap out of everyone. He was also like you say, the Hulk. Scary stuff!
@chrissyellem7397
@chrissyellem7397 Жыл бұрын
@@dredubz5825 Oh wow scary!
@RGale60
@RGale60 Жыл бұрын
So glad I listened to this. It helped me understand better. Thank you.
@j-stilt9746
@j-stilt9746 Жыл бұрын
This is one of your best videos imo. Amazing insight!
@justinejustice_league1857
@justinejustice_league1857 Жыл бұрын
This has happened to a lot of people, it happened to the comedy Martin Lawrence years ago and he even talked about it during one of his standups. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life as at least 20 cop cars were out there trying to subdue him and he had no control over his own body. He said he'd smoked weed earlier that but believes it had been laced with something as weed had never done that to him before.
@brianb7869
@brianb7869 Жыл бұрын
Why does this crap even happen? Really? It could be a big act and he or they or she may even live to tell the tale.
@TheMariemarie16
@TheMariemarie16 Жыл бұрын
I remember when Martin had that freak out. It was in the news and I thought that Martin went crazy. Actually there was a period of time where he did kinda go thru some things. I didn't know that he said that he smoked laced weed.
@littlemooshu4171
@littlemooshu4171 Жыл бұрын
could've been he smoked too much or for too long... as beautiful & sweet as mary jane is lol anything in excess isn't good.
@stephen227
@stephen227 Жыл бұрын
Spiked grass, my ass.
@weirdal706
@weirdal706 Жыл бұрын
Lol...
@rayr4320
@rayr4320 Жыл бұрын
The decedent not only demonstrated psychosis but was experiencing a full-blown cocaine overdose. When C-ODs roll into the ER they are unable to sit still, chatter incessantly and exhibit anxiety and delirium. What is shown on this video is typical. For the reasons Dr Grande explained this case will become extremely contentious as it goes forward. It seems the civilian was delivered directly to a hospital and underwent cardiac arrest some 4 hours later. If a blood draw and tox screen were performed BEFORE death it will establish blood concentration and magnitude of cocaine overdose. Cardiac arrest relating to overdose is dose-dependent and fairly common. However, the inability to resuscitate and stabilize a patient is infrequent for this age and health cohort. Generally, an inability to resuscitate is attributed to non-cardiogenic complications, but I dont think this is the case here. This indicates that taser may have played a role in his demise. Unfortunately, the impact of stun guns on recovery efforts after cardiac arrest is not well defined. Its role in potentiating cardiac arrest during C-OD is also poorly understood. Thus, the pissing match between opposing medical experts in this legal matchup will be interesting to follow. A medical expert retained by the estate of the deceased, should immediately move to examine the ECGs of the patient recorded during the resuscitation attempts. Stun guns and Cocaine can demonstrate different ECG "patterns". Theres alot of other variables and data to consider. For 50 mill, the county better mount up and not retain the usual bozo.
@breathnstop
@breathnstop Жыл бұрын
It's always amazing to me that for 15 years as a psychiatric nurse I was able to restrain and medicate people like this without killing them. Other countries train their police to save people like this with huge padded shields until they can be sedated or become tired. But in America, there is only one course of action, kill kill kill and control. When will our police have another way of helping people who are mentally ill without killing them with barbaric practices?
@420noscopesonlylol6
@420noscopesonlylol6 Жыл бұрын
you are a moron. You could not have restrained this man. 20 bucks you would have pulled out your gun because he was resisting.
@CMV314
@CMV314 6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but that's a really stupid thing to say. Thousands of people are arrested every year. A fraction of them are killed by the cops, yet you say killing is the only course of action taken.
@theashenfox
@theashenfox Жыл бұрын
I'm all for placing responsibility where it lies, no matter who that's with. This time I can't really fault the police. He also seemed fine when he was taken away. Electricity is frequently used to start and stop hearts, it's always instant effect. You don't shock a dead person and expect them to wake up 4 hours later, similarly, I find it hard to find a physical correlation to being tased (even excessively) and then having the effect of that happen 4 hours later. I'm not a doctor, but my education and experience tells me this is incredibly unlikely. I'm sure that he took a lot of cocaine, judging by his behavior, and that seems a far more likely reason for cardiac arrest. I'm sorry for the family, but this one's on the victim at least 90%. Thanks for the thoughtful and calm analysis Dr Grande!
@robertgiles9124
@robertgiles9124 Жыл бұрын
He chose the drugs...so another suicide. But one that costs the State Millions and we gotta listen to Al Sharpton and his grifting rhetoric.
@Lina_al_j
@Lina_al_j Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@lindawells8167
@lindawells8167 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@MarcDufresneosorusrex
@MarcDufresneosorusrex Жыл бұрын
what's the point for using cocaine?
@420noscopesonlylol6
@420noscopesonlylol6 Жыл бұрын
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex it is fun
@pedr0_m198
@pedr0_m198 Жыл бұрын
before the officer arrived the person had tried to flee cause he tried to enter on someone else's car
@cannedheat300
@cannedheat300 Жыл бұрын
We've already established that he was clearly out of his mind and not acting rational.
@WHITEBOYSICK
@WHITEBOYSICK Жыл бұрын
@cannedheat300 voluntary intoxication is not a defense... try again, Johnny Cockern...
@cannedheat300
@cannedheat300 Жыл бұрын
@@WHITEBOYSICK
@WHITEBOYSICK
@WHITEBOYSICK Жыл бұрын
@@cannedheat300 I know 😆
@cherylbralick7110
@cherylbralick7110 Жыл бұрын
I agreed with you until you started the officers anger got the best of them and they used tazers out of anger. You don't know that. They use lethal force and they're criticized. They use non lethal force and they're criticized. The guy was a danger to himself and others. The policeman's job is to stop them not give therapy sessions. I applaud the police for their handling of this situation. If he hasn't used drugs none of this wouldn't happened.
@mtut
@mtut Жыл бұрын
Key: Taser is not "non-lethal force." What convinced you otherwise?
@_MissANGIE
@_MissANGIE Жыл бұрын
Cheryl, I totally agree with you!
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 Жыл бұрын
Well said, @cherylbralick7110!
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 Жыл бұрын
@@mtut They could have shot him!
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
First of all, Dr. Grande merely renders his opinion as a mental health provider, not a lawyer. Second of all, did you hear the part where Dr. Grande said something like, in spite of recognizing that this guy was probably experiencing drug-induced (or mentally-induced) paranoia, the police acted as though he had the ability to follow instructions? They seemed to have no understanding of what was going on with this guy in a way that could lead them to being more patient/careful with the restraining process. Instead, they treated him almost like he was being violent and attacking them, which it doesn't look like he was doing. I don't think anyone expects the police to offer therapy sessions; that's just being dramatic. It does seem as though a better result could have occurred if the police had focused on getting him in handcuffs somehow. We'll never know.
@brianeaton9046
@brianeaton9046 Жыл бұрын
This guy was entrusted with the education of children. Amazing.
@LINDA-oi4mt
@LINDA-oi4mt Жыл бұрын
Many teachers have addiction problems. Many.
@Nylak-Otter
@Nylak-Otter Жыл бұрын
The less we pay teachers, the less qualified they become. There's very little incentive for well-educated, well-socialized and genuinely intelligent and caring people to teach in public schools, unless they're independently wealthy and have a passion for teaching.
@theprotagonist8755
@theprotagonist8755 Жыл бұрын
@@Nylak-Otter depends where you teach. In my district they make bank.
@Nylak-Otter
@Nylak-Otter Жыл бұрын
@@theprotagonist8755 Where, out of curiosity? My fiancée has two undergrad degrees and a masters in her field (pursuing a doctorate) and is a high school bio/genetics teacher, and gets paid less than I do for sitting around the house with my dogs all day.
@ravenblue7805
@ravenblue7805 Жыл бұрын
And those cops were entrusted with this man’s life once they detained him.. Tragic.
@mister8765
@mister8765 Жыл бұрын
Don’t do drugs - it’s a start of a dangerous path
@vladimirputindreadlockrast812
@vladimirputindreadlockrast812 Жыл бұрын
"The lawsuit said the force was intentionally malicious, despicable..." - Those words sound like they came straight from Ben Crump's notebook. He would've said that about OJ Simpson's arrest, if he had that case. Oh, what a surprise...I just looked up the attorneys for the Anderson estate, and looky looky, I see Ben Crump's name.
@sketchysketches381
@sketchysketches381 Жыл бұрын
I think this case reminds me a bit of the case of the paramedics charged with murderer for putting a man face down on a gurney as he went through withdrawal. There's quite a few differences but I don't think either person deserved to die for suffering from substance abuse, the main similarity is just the fact that someone simply not in a rational state of mind was asked to act rationally despite all signs that they couldn't.
@theprotagonist8755
@theprotagonist8755 Жыл бұрын
So then what should the cops have done? Just let him run?
@cerealoffender4000
@cerealoffender4000 Жыл бұрын
They should have waited for emt and they should have given him a sedative!
@Psychedlic916
@Psychedlic916 Жыл бұрын
And someone, for sure not the police, would think with that many of them they could restrain him. Grab a leg, grab an arm, hold his head my god!! Couldn’t they have thrown a straight jacket on him. This isn’t the first time using a Tazer has killed someone. 🤔 Drugs or not. That device played a major role in his death!
@pabbischannel8812
@pabbischannel8812 Жыл бұрын
Which was the reason for the taser. It didn't work obviously so then what are they supposed to do? Let him run around and assault people?
@sketchysketches381
@sketchysketches381 Жыл бұрын
@@theprotagonist8755 Like the good doctor said they had time and numbers on their side and nothing but options. I've gone through mild psychosis before from lack of sleep and dehydration, I shudder to think that the paramedics called to my home could have mishandled the situation instead of treating it seriously. The more time went on and the more people that arrived to the situation the less the taser became a necessity.
@macclift9956
@macclift9956 Жыл бұрын
Officers have been shot (I know of at least one who was paralyzed) by people behaving erratically after an accident or during an arrest. One would have to walk in the shoes of such an officer to feel the fear of suddenly being turned on. Those of us who live safe little lives wouldn't know how that feels, of course. Taking drugs is a choice; someone who chooses to take mind-altering drugs should not be treated with kid gloves after putting officers' lives in danger.
@tessiepinkman
@tessiepinkman Жыл бұрын
You obviously do not know shit about addiction. "Taking drugs is a choice" - haven't heard something that detached from reality in a looong time.
@Andreamom001
@Andreamom001 Жыл бұрын
He could have behaved the exact same way due to mental heath, though. Should people with mental illnesses not be treated with care? (Personally, I think even someone who used drugs should be treated with care, and I think the police mostly did use care until they got impatient and angry.)
@nobodyman4833
@nobodyman4833 Жыл бұрын
Officer are trained to deal with people on drugs. Could have handled it more professionally and we wouldn't be watching this video.
@cjinpa5713
@cjinpa5713 Жыл бұрын
And what of those that have been slipped the drug(s)? Do they also deserve the death penalty?
@MsBianca78
@MsBianca78 Жыл бұрын
It’s almost laughable when people who have never done the job try to analyze and judge situations they’ve never been in.
@IrishTechnicalThinker
@IrishTechnicalThinker Жыл бұрын
This guy was clearly incredibly unwell, he was absolutely manic and frantic. He seems very dangerous.
@Justice_TRUTH_Martyr
@Justice_TRUTH_Martyr Жыл бұрын
*HOW was thisFreak a Teacher???* *I have QUIT My SUB, cuz of this CLickBate!!!!* *I have BeTTer things to Do, than to be LIED to!!!*
@theprotagonist8755
@theprotagonist8755 Жыл бұрын
He didn't seem so he was
@Sharpstoned
@Sharpstoned Жыл бұрын
You only say he's dangerous because he's black. Anyone having a manic episode should be taken care of not tazed to death you blathering morons.
@HeatherHolt
@HeatherHolt Жыл бұрын
Dangerous? He looks scared as fuck.
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer Жыл бұрын
@@HeatherHolt scared people are often the most dangerous, don't forget Anderson ran someone over then attacked someone else in attempt to steal their car.
@badworse
@badworse Жыл бұрын
And he thought "getting fried" meant taking cocaine!
@Chaerlette
@Chaerlette Жыл бұрын
Jesus 😂
@reginafelizardo987
@reginafelizardo987 Жыл бұрын
I like Dr. Grande so much because he helps us make sense of human existence. It's very good to listen to his videos because in the event of unexpected violence he gives us tools to react rationally.
@JackieLombardi
@JackieLombardi Жыл бұрын
@longjohnthilver Of course they "Just made it up" it's called having an opinion about a piece of content LMFAOOOO
@witchdr.phantom7089
@witchdr.phantom7089 Жыл бұрын
The police acted appropriately, end of story.
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
'End of story' to you perhaps. If the case goes to trial,; however, we'll see what happens.
@witchdr.phantom7089
@witchdr.phantom7089 Жыл бұрын
@@tkenglander6226 There is zero evidence tasers cause heart attacks and it’s well documented that cocaine does.
@Angie_bae
@Angie_bae 5 ай бұрын
He was on cocaine so teasing him would’ve been death sentence
@lnc-to4ku
@lnc-to4ku Жыл бұрын
Powerful video, Dr. Grande! The level of thought and intelligence that you put into your content is absolutely incredible!! ♡♡
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 Жыл бұрын
Very true!
@Yah_ThatsMe
@Yah_ThatsMe Жыл бұрын
“Cocaines a hell of a drug.” - Rick James (RIP)
@andreasrau2161
@andreasrau2161 Жыл бұрын
Good morning, Dr. Grande! Keenan was clearly on something, but not so high as to make reference to George Floyd. Fortunately, the police had it on tape. But 6 taser applications in less than a minute seems excessive but, as you pointed out, there has been no actual cause of death listed yet. As for his family suing the city for $50 million, that's a common enough occurrence when someone dies while in police custody. In Rochester, New York a similar incident occurred in 2020 involving Daniel Prude. After his death, his family sued the city and settled for $12 million AFTER the police had been found not guilty of any wrongdoing. The lawyers got one third of that. But Keenan's claim that someone was out to kill him became a self-fulfilling prophesy.
@retriever19golden55
@retriever19golden55 Жыл бұрын
Daniel Prude's death was also unnecessary. The Rochester police force needs retraining and revamping. In another case an eight-year-old girl was frantic because her parents were apparently fighting...I think her mom called the cops, I'm not sure. The first officer there was trying to calm her down but mom came out and started shouting and swearing at her. It set her off again, and when two other officers showed up, everything escalated. Her mom was screaming at her, and three officers shouting commands and threatening to take her to the police station or use tear gas...they tossed her into the back of the patrol car and gassed her. Eight years old.
@frankhanson9260
@frankhanson9260 Жыл бұрын
Police work is a really Tough job. People call the Police for Any situation where someone is out of control or misbehaving or is committing a crime. The cops never know if the person is in their right mind or not. Some Cops are cool and collected and seek to de-escalate the situation. Other Cops get angry and start harshly commanding people get on the ground. All cases are different.
@fredlebhart1393
@fredlebhart1393 Жыл бұрын
It appears the first for use of teaser didn’t work, the spikes didn’t go through his sweatshirt and make contact. That’s what it says in the police cameras.
@BBWahoo
@BBWahoo Жыл бұрын
"They're trying to george floyd me!!" After all that cocaine, you george floy'd yourself cuz.
@lesliewheeler7071
@lesliewheeler7071 Жыл бұрын
Compassion. Try it!
@BBWahoo
@BBWahoo Жыл бұрын
@@lesliewheeler7071 Got a dealer? 🥸
@BIGCAM5000
@BIGCAM5000 Жыл бұрын
@@BBWahoo Wheely Wanker and the compassion factory. Unfortunately, plumbers relate to plumbs and i suspect this one is from new New Jersey so he's 'probably' full of shit.
@teenageapocalypseusa5368
@teenageapocalypseusa5368 Жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you consume too much drugs and too much mainstream media. Bad cocktail. I wonder if there was an underlying mental condition too - he seemed very paranoid.
@lesliewheeler7071
@lesliewheeler7071 Жыл бұрын
Cops didn't have to tase him excessively... Have some compassion!
@lewisdoherty7621
@lewisdoherty7621 Жыл бұрын
At one time I wondered the percentage of deaths the medical cause of which was never determined by an autopsy. I figured the coroners would have some statistics which went into a national data base. I could never find one, but I stumbled over an interesting article about categories of people who suffer deaths the cause of which couldn't be determined. A large number of these were those who had used illegal drugs which weren't on them at the time of their death. This guy died four hours after the incident. There are apparently chemical pathways buried in human processes which aren't easily identified and are compromised/altered by drug use and maybe even the substances with which these drugs are cut which cause death but are difficult to detect or are unknown by medicine.
@bronco5334
@bronco5334 Жыл бұрын
It's also worth considering: when did he take the drugs, and how long does it take for the body to absorb and begin feeling the effects of the drug, as well as how long does it take for the drug to lose effect? There is no drug that takes IMMEDIATE effect; the body has to absorb it first; this can take minutes to hours to reach full effect, depending on the drug. Caffeine, for example, doesn't reach full effect until 45 minutes after consumption, and takes some 4 hours to lose half it's effectiveness.
@J0SHUAKANE
@J0SHUAKANE Жыл бұрын
95% of bodies are never autopsied. Autopsy reports arent meant to be summarized in 1 line, you are supposed to have deep comprehensive knowledge & draw your conclusions from the entire examination report. If a person dies from being dehydrated due to elevated drug levels in their system, did they die of an overdose or dehydration? Same with cardiac arrest. To say a cause of death "couldn't be determined" is more like saying "too much or not enough to report on."
@lewisdoherty7621
@lewisdoherty7621 Жыл бұрын
@@J0SHUAKANE I realize that. Most causes tend to be obvious or from just old age. I wanted to focus on those which possibly otherwise healthy people die and they don't know. Even if there is no indication of foul play, there is a need to know because the coroner has an obligation to warn the family they might have a hidden genetic disorder or to determine if there is something dangerous in the environment that the public health people need to address.
@py_a_thon
@py_a_thon Жыл бұрын
Resisting arrest without assault against a human officer of the state occuring is NOT violence. That is an important distinction imo. Resisting arrest may be illegal, and it may be stupid...but it is not violent by default. I do not know if the process of this individual resisting arrest resulted in assault. I am just pointing out the distinction.
@Codythefnafnerd
@Codythefnafnerd Жыл бұрын
Boy, I only knew this story from headlines and had no basis for perspective. You have given me something to think about. Again. Thanks.
@Ineden774
@Ineden774 Жыл бұрын
Sad story, no matter what. Thanks for your explanation.
@yeekasoose
@yeekasoose Жыл бұрын
It's a bit misleading to say the police "used a Taser" on Keenan six times. On the initial attempt, the prongs didn't make a good connection, so the instant and complete debilitation effect of the Taser wasn't available. What the officer did after that is called "drive stunning," where electrodes on the Taser itself are applied to a person's body. This causes pain and local muscle spasms, but isn't debilitating. Given Keenan's mental state, that obviously wasn't going to help, but did it kill him four and a half hours later? That seems highly unlikely. I do think the officer with the Taser should receive additional training and possibly discipline, but I would say the lawsuit is entirely meritless.
@Solid_Snake99
@Solid_Snake99 Жыл бұрын
I'm definitely in favour of the police in this case. They did everything right
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
If the case goes to trial, we'll find that out. They could have acted within the bounds of protocol or acted outside of that protocol.
@jevinday
@jevinday Жыл бұрын
Haven't heard about this but you did a great job covering this. Interesting case.
@BlackWingedSeraphX
@BlackWingedSeraphX Жыл бұрын
He didn't comply and got himself killed.
@benbees7681
@benbees7681 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Thank you doc.
@SedatKPunkt
@SedatKPunkt Жыл бұрын
I'm convinced by your analysis. But I just want to add something from things I had personally experienced with people who have developed a persecution mania and paranoia which always sparked when they took cocaine. Everybody I knew who behaved like that had the form of consume in common. Those who were consuming cocaine intravenously were nearly always paranoid. The remarkable thing was that they had these paranoia even though they knew that it's not real…! But they explained it to me the following way: Despite the rational awareness of the paranoia not being real it still felt overwhelmingly real. That feeling was so convincing and rational thoughts didn't help at all. Examples: They were sneaking and tip-toeing in their apartment because they were convinced that the cops will show up every second and they were afraid that they wouldn't hear their steps outside. They always put their ears on the door and "sshhht" all the time at me. When telling them that ther are no cops and they won't also show up they answered "We know". But they couldn't fight and resist that inner feeling telling them "Did you hear that?"…"What was that"…"They're are coming" etc.
@billpope2111
@billpope2111 Жыл бұрын
Your analysis was spot on. I will say his family is not owed a dime.
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 Жыл бұрын
@12:32 looking at all the evidence available, and all he spoke about. I think it's not really a "disaster" per se. That is a poor word choice when thinking about the loss of Keenan Anderson to society objectively speaking. It's more like "this is a thing that happened" and a warning about the use of these drugs. He was a school teacher, so probably not the kind of person you'd want around your children at all; ever, let alone teaching them anything. Lastly: If there was no wrongful death suit, I'd of been completely shocked 😲
@CheapsKate77
@CheapsKate77 Жыл бұрын
@@troy3456789 you would never want a teacher around children? 🤔
@spacemanspliff7983
@spacemanspliff7983 Жыл бұрын
@@CheapsKate77 He is talking about him being on drugs. Duh
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 Жыл бұрын
@@CheapsKate77 A drug using ideologue? Why are you inquisitive about this? There's no real mystery here. It's basic common sense. "Don't let drug users around children"
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 Жыл бұрын
@@CheapsKate77 Was that a real question or were you just being silly?
@PierreGarrabrant
@PierreGarrabrant Жыл бұрын
Don't do coke , get in an accident , run around an intersection, refusing to comply under threat of getting tased
@jerryjamify
@jerryjamify Жыл бұрын
Moral of this story...don't ask cops for help, and if your stupid enough to do drugs stay home.
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 Жыл бұрын
Maybe Keenan Anderson should have NOT taken DRUGS and OPERATED a vehicle under the influence of these drugs! Maybe Keenan Anderson should be responsible for his actions!😮. Of course, his family didn’t miss the chance to make money off of their “loved” ones irresponsible behavior.
@Based_Proletariat
@Based_Proletariat Жыл бұрын
Just like Donald Trump made money off all you goofy racist MAGAts
@ravenblue7805
@ravenblue7805 Жыл бұрын
It must feel so good to have all the answers, Shawna.. That anyone should simply deserve to die for the ‘sin’ of making a poor choice, and for people like you, who know exactly nothing about their private life, to dismiss their elimination with such confidence and ease is nothing short of appallingly ignorant dehumanization..👎🏽 It’s past obvious that law enforcement isn’t trained to deal effectively or safely with anyone experiencing a mental health crisis, and rather than acknowledging there’s a need for improvements in emergency responses with trained mental health workers on scene, your preference is for people like this to die because of it..SMDH
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you could find an OUNCE of compassion inside you. Then again, maybe not.
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer Жыл бұрын
@@tkenglander6226 maybe he only has compassion for the victims?
@cottontails9003
@cottontails9003 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis as always. Thank you Dr Grande
@zenawarrior7442
@zenawarrior7442 Жыл бұрын
Hi friend. Sending a hug to you & yours🌻⚘️🧸 💚💚🧡🧡. Dr G always does a good job.
@cottontails9003
@cottontails9003 Жыл бұрын
@@zenawarrior7442 Thank you my friend. How are you and your mum? It's been a tough day we went and picked out a head stone for our daughter with couple changes. I didn't realize how tough that could be. Love and hugs too you both ❤💙💔💔💔
@timgoodwintv
@timgoodwintv Жыл бұрын
And yet there’s still so many that will turn this into a race issue. Everything becomes politicized these days.
@GenXfrom75
@GenXfrom75 Жыл бұрын
This guy had ample opportunity to cooperate. 13 times!! Clearly, the drugs are why he's dead.
@robertasirgutz8800
@robertasirgutz8800 Жыл бұрын
The worst, most dangerous job in existence. This is clearly an incident that was handled properly, but with tragic results.
@bc5208
@bc5208 Жыл бұрын
Why are we normalizing just randomly fighting against the police????????????
@Heynmffc
@Heynmffc Жыл бұрын
That’s not what this is BUTTTTT to answer your question to fight back against systemic problems in the system to put it simply. Cops simply aren’t your friend no matter how much they’ll tell you otherwise.
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
How is this normalizing fighting against the police???
@bc5208
@bc5208 Жыл бұрын
Yeah let’s commit crimes but fight the police when confronted and then also claim victim 🤣🤣🤣💪🏼😭😭😭😭😭 its mind blowing how many of y’all jump on that logic
@JoannaEve
@JoannaEve Жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis as always Dr G 👏
@MrThinking4myself
@MrThinking4myself Жыл бұрын
What a stupid thing to say. None of the officers gave any indication that they felt disrespected. They needed to restrain him, he was fighting them. He was warned that he would be tased if he didn't comply. If it was an emotional response by the officer, they didn't have to issue a warning. There was no other way to restrain him. Your projections of thoughts you wish the officers had have no foundation. They did call him names, didn't cuss at him, and they allowed him the option to avoid being tased.
@mooo8293
@mooo8293 Жыл бұрын
A very good video for many to listen to. Gave a fair perspective. We all look for someone to blame. Both parties hold some responsibility but one ended up the only loser.
@lisztresurrected9438
@lisztresurrected9438 Жыл бұрын
There's a saying. Birdshot as a warning, buckshot for normal people, slugs for crack heads. Now, bad saying I know, but there's a lot of truth to it. People on drugs are unreasonably strong and unreasonably hard to put down with lethal means, let alone non lethal. I sincerely don't believe 3 officers would be enough for a grown man of reasonable fitness on drugs.
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer Жыл бұрын
I remember Andy McNab talking about how it was important to shoot people in the head in CQB as some people on drugs basically fight until they're completely dead.
@lisztresurrected9438
@lisztresurrected9438 Жыл бұрын
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer It's also why magdumping is a thing. It sucks and the optics are horrible, but that's the practical outcome
@YayMiko
@YayMiko Жыл бұрын
Drugs are illegal for a reason, this whole thing could have been avoided. I hope his family finds peace
@cassidypresley614
@cassidypresley614 Жыл бұрын
It's called THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL and the destruction of doom!!!! The bottom line here is..........Street drugs kill!!!!
@jarrettgardner0628
@jarrettgardner0628 Жыл бұрын
What will be your automated response when those same substances that are illegal are one day decriminalized and legalized and regulated?
@tomsevcik1792
@tomsevcik1792 Жыл бұрын
@@jarrettgardner0628if you think cocaine will be decriminalized ur in for a rude awakening man.
@investigator77
@investigator77 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande I'm disappointed in your assessment. That family is ridiculous if they think he was worth $50 million! He was a school teacher who took drugs. He's not Elon Musk! You need to watch the breakdown of the body cameras, done on the channel Thoughts of a Patrol Officer, titled "Was Keenan Anderson Killed by the LAPD?" Ben is an officer in the Columbia Police in Ohio, and he shows the entire event. Keenan didn't die until 4 hours after he arrived at the hospital, so I doubt it was just the taser that killed him. The first officer on the motorcycle, sat on the corner with Keenan for 7 minutes until another officer arrived to back him up. 7 minutes would be an eternity if you have someone who's high, dangerous, and unpredictable, and he kept on saying crazy things. The cop was just trying to keep him cool, and out of the road. If the cops had let him run off down the road and he got hit by a car and killed, everyone would be screaming about how the cops didn't save him from himself. They don't want to be laying in the roadway, in traffic, trying to detain this guy, so NO, they didn't have time on their side. All it would take would be one moron in the back of the traffic to come flying up the lane, into the last car, and they could all be pushed forward and kill or injure all of those police officers, as well as Keenan. I'm really disappointed in you making your analysis without doing your research. Police can never win, no matter what they do.
@trudo1909
@trudo1909 Жыл бұрын
Wow is it really true that 46% of cocaine users will commit violent crime? That is an incredible statistic if true.
@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName
@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName Жыл бұрын
I thought he said an act of violence, not a violent crime?
@trudo1909
@trudo1909 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName At 6:39, Dr. Grande states that "55% of people who use cocaine will engage in violent behavior. 46% of cocaine users will commit violent crimes."
@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName
@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName Жыл бұрын
@@trudo1909 wow! OK, ty!
@hatuletoh
@hatuletoh Жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter if you're on drugs, having a mental health episode, or (as I can personally attest), you simply couldn't hear something the police said because you're standing on a busy, noisy street. Anything less than immediate, submissive compliance = willful refusal to comply, and justifies the forcing of compliance.
@dissidentfairy4264
@dissidentfairy4264 Жыл бұрын
Sad story! I agree with your assessment of Keenan and the police. I also feel Keenan was torn between cooperation and fleeing. He no doubt rationalized that he would be tested for drugs and it would jeopardize his employment as a teacher, could completely ruin his career. So in his drug induced mind he no doubt felt his only option was to run.
@sandilou2U
@sandilou2U Жыл бұрын
You have impressed me once again with your ability to explain a complex situation clearly and fairly. The only way we will be to begin to bring a resolution to police using excessive force is to discuss it without bias.
@ZYX84
@ZYX84 Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent post. Very respectful and you are 100% right. thank you I needed to read something positive.🌱✨
@frankpaya690
@frankpaya690 Жыл бұрын
The thing is most people's beliefs about anything( including whether or not there's a pattern of excessive force by police ) is not based on that individuals experience or research, it's based purely on what they've been hearing repeatedly expressed around them. So More individuals are merely passing along,( repeating)the gossip & innuendo.
@mousesoup5169
@mousesoup5169 Жыл бұрын
And yet we give the cartels carte blanche to carry them over the border!
@loiskondo8349
@loiskondo8349 Жыл бұрын
So much more training for police needs to take place. People on drugs or with mental health issues should not die because first responders don’t know how to handle them!
@theprotagonist8755
@theprotagonist8755 Жыл бұрын
So what should they have done let him run?
@nhmooytis7058
@nhmooytis7058 Жыл бұрын
Cops aren’t mental health workers, and a drug abuser who is paranoid and irrational might get violent with a social worker...then what?
@kfkkfk7995
@kfkkfk7995 Жыл бұрын
@@theprotagonist8755 maybe not tase him 6 times in less than 1 minute?
@tammylaronde8593
@tammylaronde8593 Жыл бұрын
@@kfkkfk7995 Do you realize how strong someone that high can be?
@kfkkfk7995
@kfkkfk7995 Жыл бұрын
@@tammylaronde8593 do you realize the stupid amount of times they tased him without reason? I wouldn't say this if they'd tased him once or twice, then stopped, he continued resisting and they did it again. That is not what happened. Two things can be true at once, he was a potential danger and they used excessive force
@theprotagonist8755
@theprotagonist8755 Жыл бұрын
I thought he died like 3 or 4 hours after he got to the hospital.
@KelmutHool
@KelmutHool Жыл бұрын
Legalize all drugs. It's only gonna be beneficial to society. The "war on drugs" was never meant to be won, it is designed to go on forever so certain individuals can line their pockets while huge parts of the population are kept in addiction and poverty.
@DarthFurie
@DarthFurie Жыл бұрын
Even if not legalized, they should be decriminalization. Substance Abuse Disorder is a mental illness, people need real help to solve whatever drove them to use, not threats of prison sentences
@wowsew
@wowsew Жыл бұрын
imagine C-Lo rubbing his hands together like "yes yess, my plan worked"
@richardshelton1301
@richardshelton1301 Жыл бұрын
The police should not (indeed they shouldn't be allowed to) permit a psychotic person to run around putting citizens in danger, nor should they get into a physical struggle with such a person possibly giving that person a chance to get their hands on a weapon. Mentally ill or not, when someone is a danger to others he forfeits his own life. He brought this on himself.
@pipe_currency
@pipe_currency Жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@minnietrout814
@minnietrout814 Жыл бұрын
I agree. And he had taken a mega amount of cocaine, too. I’m sure that contributed to his death.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
In my city they have cops who are trained to deal with mentally ill people. They do a much better job than the regular police. Always ask for the CIT team if you call for a mental health emergency. Maybe your city will have it also. It might save the mentally ill person's life.
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
Wow, no empathy here. 😞
@papepcool
@papepcool Жыл бұрын
As someone who has experienced drug induced psychosis, It's a real and hellacious state to be in. The police could have a little more sympathy and education when it comes to people who are obviously having a psychotic break.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
In my city we have cops that are called the CIT team. It stands for Crisis Intervention Team. They are specially trained to deal with mentally ill and high people. They are much better than the regular police at handling crisis situations. Always ask the 911 operator to send them if drugs or mental illness is involved. It could save a life. I hope your city has this service.
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 Жыл бұрын
@@Catlily5 This is good to know. Thank you. It’s the first time I’ve heard of them.
@barnagotte7297
@barnagotte7297 Жыл бұрын
The first cop had all the restraint in the world.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
@@shawnaweesner3759 I hope they have them where you live.
@CheapsKate77
@CheapsKate77 Жыл бұрын
He may have had PCP in his system too. That doesn't show up in drug tests and it can cause erratic behavior.
@toykeyper8914
@toykeyper8914 Жыл бұрын
I think you may be right, it seems like by the way he was acting he was high on something other than weed and coke.
@ravenblue7805
@ravenblue7805 Жыл бұрын
Or he could have been experiencing a mental health crisis..
@jaydub4661
@jaydub4661 Жыл бұрын
Lol of course there are tests for PCP especially in high profile cases. Its also not popular any longer. This ain't the 80s. Having cocaine in his system doesn't mean he was high at that moment. He was tased six times and that killed him.
@gilestoman2266
@gilestoman2266 Жыл бұрын
He was no great loss. And he clearly couldn't handle his drugs.
@anon7374
@anon7374 Жыл бұрын
Wow this was a great and balanced reaction! I love how you balanced what the police could do better with how the victim could have been more accountable for his actions. It is a hard and delicate line to navigate. While I wish this didn't have to be the outcome and my heart breaks for this person and their loved ones, it would be irresponsible to put none of the onus on him. We all make mistakes and we should learn from each other's mistakes. I hope he is in heaven and his loved ones will find peace.
@70tonsoffun52
@70tonsoffun52 Жыл бұрын
Police officers, either by dint of training or force of habit, use tasers like they would their sidearms - they aim for the mass. Naturally, this means the taser jolt is closer to the heart. The secret in not to tase for the mass, but instead tase the offender in the balls. The pain is a great distraction, he'll put all his energy into sheilding his grapes and he's an easy take from there.
@badworse
@badworse Жыл бұрын
Well, that's fine for a psycho male, but what about a chick who's losing it? Or a Trannie?
@hobbie100
@hobbie100 Жыл бұрын
Failed to comply
@Andreamom001
@Andreamom001 Жыл бұрын
And? Is "failure to comply" a capital crime?
@Based_Proletariat
@Based_Proletariat Жыл бұрын
Just like Ashlii Babbitt
@sebastianriemer1777
@sebastianriemer1777 Жыл бұрын
Just realised he was a teacher. Teachers these days are a bit different from the teachers I grew up with.
@bebop2523
@bebop2523 Жыл бұрын
Teachers these days have to deal with so much worse than the teachers day at 10 to 20 years ago, so many are quitting, and the ones who stay off and turn to substances in order to cope. Doesn’t mean they’re high in the classroom, remember he was on vacation when this happened. He was teacher in DC public schools, which is one of the most dysfunctional and corrupt systems in the country, it wouldn’t surprise me if he started doing drugs on his days off in order to deal with everything.
@ericfranchi1354
@ericfranchi1354 Жыл бұрын
Everybody seems different nowadays.
@mlovmo
@mlovmo Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@Lina_al_j
@Lina_al_j Жыл бұрын
@@bebop2523doing drugs because your job is stressful is a ridiculous excuse. If he was struggling he could have gone to counseling rather than take cocaine! Being a pilot is a stressful job with ridiculous sleeping patterns and imagine if pilots did drugs to “cope”. Lets not make excuses for those who choose to go down that path - we all know very well that drugs dont improve the situation, they only make it worse.
@caramelbilquees
@caramelbilquees Жыл бұрын
It's society it's gone down no one has any integrity anymore. People want to live fast and sin with sex, drugs, stealing, conning etc
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Жыл бұрын
Don’t see TEACHERS that high often.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
More than we know probably.
@chrissyellem7397
@chrissyellem7397 Жыл бұрын
They're usually alcoholics.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Жыл бұрын
Teachers do have a higher rate of alcoholism than most professionals.
@flash_flood_area
@flash_flood_area Жыл бұрын
Good analysis. Both were partially at fault. Tasers may be less lethal, but police use them as torture devices, to calm their egos. We need mental health professionals on hand to resolve mental health crises, not police.
@joelgilmer45
@joelgilmer45 Жыл бұрын
Great video, well done Dr. Todd!
@joshuawagner2590
@joshuawagner2590 Жыл бұрын
This is my first exposure to this. I guess that's because I'm not on social media platforms (except for this) and haven't been consuming much news. I'm glad I got exposure to this from Dr. Grande first. Based on the many videos of his that I've watched, he's pretty balanced and works hard to be unbiased. That's helpful, because we all know that mainstream media outlets don't even pretend to be unbiased anymore.
@presto709
@presto709 Жыл бұрын
What precisely do studies say about how many tasers can (relatively) safely be applied in what period of time? What specifically are the police taught? If the officer violated protocol they would be at fault. If they followed protocol but that protocol did not conform to what studies showed the police agency would be at fault, not the officers.
@tkenglander6226
@tkenglander6226 Жыл бұрын
Good legal points!!
@malabuha
@malabuha Жыл бұрын
Disturbing. What bothers me even more is that Keenan was a teacher and at the same time a drug user. How those two go together is beyond comprehension. Maybe it was his first time using
@bebop2523
@bebop2523 Жыл бұрын
He was a teacher in DC public schools, which is one of the worst systems in the country. He probably got into drugs in order to cope. It is soul crushing as a teacher to see awful things going on with your students every single day, and not being able to do a damn thing about it. I left teaching because there are so many horrible parents, but unless they are literally beating their kids, Nothing that they’re doing is actually illegal so you just have to keep watching it happen. It’s soul crushing. I left, but it doesn’t surprise me that someone who stayed and had to deal with that every single day would turn into drugs to cope. He most likely wasn’t high in class, he was on vacation when he died.
@georginamcallum1324
@georginamcallum1324 Жыл бұрын
@@bebop2523 lollll excused to be a drug addictct
@bebop2523
@bebop2523 Жыл бұрын
@@georginamcallum1324 it’s not an excuse, it’s just that people so often can’t believe that a teacher would abuse substances, but it’s actually become very common in recent years. They aren’t high in the classroom, they use drugs and alcohol outside of the classroom to medicate for how soul-crushing the job has become. Doesn’t make it OK, but people need to understand that this is becoming a lot more common.
@georginamcallum1324
@georginamcallum1324 Жыл бұрын
@@bebop2523 stop making excuses for been a drug addict. I am a nurse. Should I do drugs to cope with my stress too? Of course no.
@Rosemary-op3rz
@Rosemary-op3rz Жыл бұрын
Hogwash!! If you’re spineless and weak minded, get help!! Thank God you quit!’
@marterry7208
@marterry7208 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos look forward to them every day great work doc
@Chaerlette
@Chaerlette Жыл бұрын
I am sorry, but the police were absolutely in the right here. The guy was completely out of control. In situations like these you never know if the person won’t pull a gun on you in the next 1.5 seconds and kill you.
@davidmunk2036
@davidmunk2036 Жыл бұрын
Your analysis of this incident is biased in that the body cam evidence clearly states that the taser prongs never took hold, never penetrated the skin, yet you continue to say he was tased six times in however many seconds. You also don't mention that the officers had him move off of his stomach and sit up so he could breathe. Force was in no way excessive because he wasn't tasered six times. Had the first taser worked, the officer wouldn't have had to make further attempts. What did bug me, but was never mentioned was how the traffic continued flowing just feet away from the scene, causing the bigger threat than the taser.
@CHARIOTangler
@CHARIOTangler Жыл бұрын
If they just didn't resist in most of these cases, they wouldn't have lost their lives. It really is that simple. The responsibility for the escalation and what happened is on them, not law enforcement.
@mlovmo
@mlovmo Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@katherineparris723
@katherineparris723 Жыл бұрын
I've heard a lot of people whining about how he the police killed a high school teacher. Yet I think the real issue here is that a crack head was allowed to be a high school teacher.
@somehaloguy9372
@somehaloguy9372 Жыл бұрын
You mean a high school teacher that decided to try crack while on vacation on the opposite coast
@katherineparris723
@katherineparris723 Жыл бұрын
@somehaloguy9372 Decent people don't just decide to "try crack" one day. Regardless if it was his first time or 50ths time. The moment you decide to smoke crack you shouldn't be allowed to educate students
@caymanchristopher7014
@caymanchristopher7014 Жыл бұрын
This guy was a teacher like I am a mechanic because I change my own oil.
@jumpingspider7105
@jumpingspider7105 Жыл бұрын
A very thoughtful and nuanced analysis, well done.
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