Team Hardwork Vs Team Talent In Anime; Who Belongs Where?

We've all seen the Team Hardwork vs Team Talent meme for Anime characters but on which side do certain people belong. Well as a Personal Trainer & Weeb I decided to take a look on where to rank 10 different protagonists!
00:00 Team Hard work Vs Team Talent?
00:35 Son Goku / Kakarot
04:26 Naruto Uzumaki
6:45 Ippo Makunouchi
7:05 Ichigo Kurosaki
7:53 Baki Hanma
9:11 Monkey D. Luffy (Technically He's BOTH IDC)
11:22 Guts The Black Swordsman
11:32 Saitama / One Punch Man
13:18 Izuku DEKU Midoriya
15:29 Kenichi Shirahama
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Is Son Goku From Dragon Ball Z / Super
Is Monkey D. Luffy From One Piece
Is Naruto Uzumaki From Shippuden
Is Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach
Is Izuku Deku Midoriya from My Hero Academia
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Is Kenichi Shirahama From the Mightiest Disciple
Is Ippo Makunouchi from Hajime No Ippo
Is Guts from Berserk
Is Saitama from One Punch Man
Team Hardwork Or Team Talent

[@JaxBlade]

WHO IS YOUR FAVORITE Hardworker & Talented character? & Remember this isnt an end all be all discussion, just a fun topic imho, ALSO MY FRIEND ROB who I know is gonna see this said I shouldnt have a " *BOTH Tier* " since MOST of em pretty much go in it & zaps the video fun lmaoo xD. Also if you wanna transform physically like Deku did in 10 months check out my IRL 10 month Aim to pass the American Dream Plan program here! www.athleticherobuild.com/ahb-1

[@RiotHiei]

This is gonna be fun

[@JaxBlade]

@@RiotHiei I STANDBY LUFFY WOULD EASILY BE IN THE BOTH TIER Loll

[@RiotHiei]

@@JaxBlade Lmao I know bro but I think Rob & Keith were right doing the 1 or the other side cause it does make it more engaging

[@cedricjackson1144]

Goku ippo baki kenichi and rock lee.

[@keinchi]

I re-watched Naruto and Naruto while he is shown to initially be a character that needs hard work, as soon as you see teachers invest in him, he shoots up skill wise, by a stupid amount. Naruto is definitely a talented character and that’s not to take away from his story.

[@bluejay4214]

When people tell me Ippo had a "natural talent" for boxing since he started out with such insane power at the start of the series I remind them the reason he was so strong was because he worked on a fishing boat and basically did the work of three people to help his mom after his dad died. Strength and balance are two things a sailor and boxer cannot live without, both are things Ippo developed at a young age not even because he wanted to but because he HAD to.

[@JaxBlade]

SAY IT LOUDER!!

[@eurickhidalgo9423]

Think he has talent but not the most talented just dedicated trains hard doesn’t quit in the ring

[@BlueBlazeKing]

Exactly he had a good base before getting into boxing but he still had to work hard on the fundamentals

[@TerdSmasher303]

Also he was the punching bag for bullies so got used to getting hit lol. People often forget the humble beginnings of many characters in manga/anime especially of older series

[@eurickhidalgo9423]

@@TerdSmasher303 The reality is even surpassing aoki and kimura he only did it cuz he outworked them and had more heart and passion once he started facing date who had a world title fight before and started fighting world rankers did ippo start to struggle and lose but hes still climbing he had a good spar with world champion vorg

[@thatsinteresting3415]

Not only is Ichigo a Saiyan and an angel, but he's also distant relative of Frieza. And, his great great grandma was an Ootsutsuki.

[@CuteDecay]

😂😂 Stop

[@blackout4502]

We gonna just ignore how good Jax's Saitama voice is 😂

[@aerickmon3350]

12:45 ?😂

[@Trueb3t0ld]

THANK YOU!!!

[@blackout4502]

@@aerickmon3350 100%🤣🤣

[@UCantKetchup2Me]

thank god i was not the only one who noticed this LMFAO

[@blackout4502]

@@UCantKetchup2Me I thought comments were gonna be flooded talking about this

[@Mars_of_Urath]

Ichigo is a part of team talent. Since the very beginning of the show he had been pulling off crazy feats without even trying and his genes gave him extra power in the soul reaper world.

[@miguelrodriguez8375]

Yeah he really only had the talent physically, one thing most people fail to mention is how his power correlates to his mental health at the peak of his power he’s accepted himself for what he is and hes moved past through his ptsd and depression, an instance of this is when he confronts old man zangetsu where he learns the truth about him and what he is and how Ichigo accepts him and white zangetsu since to him there the same and from this come a new power, a power strong enough to handle the coming challenges it’s an example of his growth and character arc during the first cour of tybw

[@DHworldwide185]

100% agree not ot mention his crazy genetics.

[@blackfox4138]

@@miguelrodriguez8375 fully agree. Ichigo’s the perfect example of someone who has all the physical potential, but mentally he struggles more than anyone. It’s why I typically don’t take the ‘Talent vs Hardwork’ argument all that seriously in regards to him. He can’t utilize his Soul Reaper powers until he truly believes he can. He can’t utilize his Hollow powers until he accepts that they’re part of who he is. He can’t us his Fullbring powers until he realizes he deserves it. And he can’t utilize his Quincy powers until he’s cleared all the doubt of where he comes from.

[@miguelrodriguez8375]

@@blackfox4138 yeah that’s why I usually don’t like this argument cause he still works hard just not in a physical way, he has to accept himself and what he is before he can become what he is at the end of the series but other then that I do agree he belongs in talent but only cause how much stronger he gets when he goes through those changes

[@zfrikz]

you are born with a spiritial amount of power that has been shown in the anime through hard work you can train, ichigo was already born with immense spiritual power since his father was a captain, the only reason he didnt die vs ulq was because he is part Hollow, same with grimjow etc

[@TheShockVox]

I think many, if not most shounen protags end up in team talent, even if they started in team hardwork. Or at the very least, they tend to shuffle both sides. Naruto undoubtedly works hard BUT with Kurama and with the reincarnation bit it sort of goes out the window. You either die a hero or live long enough to find out you're somehow the chosen one after a few hundred more chapters.

[@JaxBlade]

A Very true statement!

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I agree, I feel like a lot of these characters stratle the line depending on the arc.

[@ajiththomas2465]

​@JaxBlade You know, I found the perfect analogy for describing Goku in relation to his Saiyan species. Goku is like the Demetrious "Mighty Mouse" Johnson of the Saiyans. Looks like a weakling starting out but through a lot of training and hard work, they become a legendary MMA champion. What do you think?

[@ajiththomas2465]

Honestly, I feel like half the reason that Naruto had to work hard was because he was a dumbass with teachers who taught him things a lot later than they could have. Naruto had monstrous amounts of Chakra and if he had been told the Shadow Clone Training Hax when he was 13 instead of when he was 16, then Naruto would've gotten leagues stronger mich faster. Naruto literally has a hax jutsu that let's him do the work and training of thousands of himself at once. If he wasn't so stupid and simple minded, he could use his Shadow Clones to learn and master hundreds of different jutsus instead of spamming Shadow Clones and Rasengans like it's going out of style. Naruto won the Superpower Lottery was but was too Plot Induced Stupid to fully capitalize on it.

[@lamar9616]

Not really for the reincarnation. It's not like he inherited any powers of ashura. He was just really destined to fight Sasuke.

[@JaxBlade]

If there was a 'BOTH' Tier Luffy wouldve been it, just confirming that again lmao

[@drago_excalibur]

Luffy embodies the "talent and hard work" category the strongest out of everyone so very much agree

[@Just_A_Square.]

I feel Luffy leans more towards hard work(or is just hard work) if anything, but he just gets pretty lucky, which doesn’t always correlate to Talent

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@Just_A_Square. Talent is functionally the same as luck in almost all cases though. Like being lucky doesn't make him a harder worker, he didn't HAVE to work harder because he was lucky.

[@elereaper]

Lol, I was going to say he belonged in the luck tier only because he lucked out with his fruit

[@datniggafloppy9822]

​@@NoConsequenc3 I'd disagree cuz you can't be born with luck, it's situational. In cases where a main protagonist ist lucky then the story would just end. Simple. It's a problem tho when characters are just born talented, with no real rhyme or reason to show how their so strong or good at something. That tends to go into Mary and Gary sue territory. An example would be Naruto and Sasuke vs zabuza. Sure they show they been training as ninjas some kids but they had no real reason beating "kakashi level" ninja like zabuza, nor haku.

[@TheShockVox]

I knew I could count on you to bring up Kenichi. He's my go to example of the hardest working Shonen protagonist. I never felt like he didn't earn any win or increase in his ability because we see him work himself to death.

[@JaxBlade]

Especially with his Quality of Teachers like No wonder he a Beast these days haha

[@rayansaldanha9585]

@@JaxBlade in one chapter kenichi asked his masters if he has talented, all said no, so I also put him in team hardwork(sorry for my bad english)

[@newt2120]

hard work for sure. but he got the best possible training the world could offer, not to mention he had one helluva a of motivator...or should I said a pair of motivators?

[@mxlypzxyrt2022]

All mcs have both

[@animationdude9]

Yeah only 2 or maybe 3 of his fights felt unearned for me but overall? The kid was literally killing himself to get better every day to the point he literally moved into the dojo

[@deltacharlieecho4732]

Ippo definitely tops my list. Mainly because he didn’t NEED to become as strong as he did, he did so entirely out of drive and competitive desire and the encouragement of his team. Everyone else needed to be the strongest, Ippo chose to be. I said it in the live chat but Ippo single-handedly inspired me to take up boxing and within 8 months I was at the competitive amateur level. I now powerlift and his competitive spirit has driven me to shoot for a world record squat in the next 2 years.

[@JaxBlade]

WOOOO Congrats KING!! KEEP IT UP Wish you the best success

[@eurickhidalgo9423]

Respect man go for it

[@powerjolt7215]

Shit this comment alone is motivating me to take up boxing! 💪🏼 Keep on pushing man and your goals will become reality!

[@hish33p32]

Nice story

[@hish33p32]

I have a similar story but it's mainly for Hinata Shoyo and Isagi Yoichi Hinata Shoyo for overcoming the odds of being a short athlete while Isagi Yoichi more on adapting to every situation that requires evolving or awakening

[@Ledecral]

Kenichi is one of the few pro tags that never got the “he’s secretly got THIS going for him” treatment. The masters literally comment throughout the series how much more talented Kenichi’s rivals are, and how Kenichi’s talentless. He became the greatest by enduring training he would have died from if his masters weren’t also expert healers.

[@johnparke7338]

I don’t think Luffy works that much harder than anybody else in the verse. He just refuses to give up in the moment. The amount of offscreen training isn’t really the reason he’s so strong. It’s a lot of power up’s mid battle and an indomitable will.

[@mell5428]

Naw Luffy got carried for real by his fruit for both training and in fights

[@dudejoe24]

@@mell5428 ehh not really it took him years to get good with his fruit originally and even then his fruit didn't help with haki since haki is a separate thing altogether and he only manged to use it in smart ways in conjurer with his fruit but even then it didn't help him achieve higher heights till recently

[@marc68521]

@@dudejoe24 his fruit is literally one of if not the most powerful devil fruit, now could just any normal person use it as efficiently as him? No, but because of his personality it worked perfect for him. Haki training he definitely put work into but the majority of his serious training in Haki was only 2 years with the majority of improvement after that happened from dressrosa to Wano which was about 2 months. He literally gained 3 forms in that time, and went from pretty basic Haki to multiple advanced forms of Haki that are able to rival Yonko’s

[@BlueBlazeKing]

Plus Luffy is a more creative fighter, so a good portion of his techniques are things he come up with on the fly

[@nicholasaugello2534]

​@@mell5428 while that is true seeing as Luffy had his powers for most of his life but his "power" is considered weak among devil fruits adless you awaken it then you become a reality warper but it is still a bad devil fruit compared to things like the average Logia fruit or something like the slow-slow fruit I'd normally consider better

[@kushagrasharma5402]

In defence of Ichigo I don't think his main quirk was his talent instead. It was his mental struggle throughout the series. He suffered with depression, PTSD and constantatly hitting new low points and how he was able to find himself more and more all when he was at the bottom of ocean sinking deeper . I seriously relate Ichigo more than anyone in this list tbh.

[@yep1486]

this

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

I think that’s what I missed when I was younger. I was really disappointed with him against Aizan, partly because of how long it took to get there, partly because it ended so quickly. But when contextualised with his growth? All he gained power for was to protect other people and he had seen all that get ravaged. So after being under so much pressure for so long? He just didn’t want the power anymore and threw it all at him to make it stop. Plus the fullbringer arc, having all the connections and growth he had made up to that point completely stop? That arc really was one hell of an epilogue to his story. Sure, I detest all the war arcs, probably because I wasn’t that interested in the captains to begin with, but at no point did it feel Ichigo had an easy time. He really was put through hell,

[@cosmicdoggo9296]

Yup he was alweys the most rekateble Anime mc for me and he still is

[@ChimpRevolution]

I literally never got this vibe from Ichigo maybe I'm insane

[@dragonoyxd]

Ichigo is all about mental health. He gets strong when he is confident. He becomes weaker when he gets fearful and depressed. At the end he finally get enough clarity in his mind and unleash his full potential. But he is definitely built different

[@dripsoup6639]

A few points for Goku in the talent department: he was able to learn the Kamehameha by simply seeing it once, zenkai boosts, his species has a genetic 50× power boost that other species simply don't have. He might ultimately land on the hard work side, but those are definitely talent qualifiers.

[@kinkajoulegend9989]

true but comparing to his own species, he started with an incredibly weak baseline so he had to get himself in entirely too many situations to keep nearly dying in order to get enough zenkai boosts to be able to stack up against those strong opponents. Against humans, he's incomparably more talented. Against saiyans, he was bottom of the barrel, especially when you consider monsters like Broly.

[@dripsoup6639]

@@kinkajoulegend9989Yes, by Saiyan standards, Goku is definitely Team Hardwork, yet by human standards, he's Team Talent, and I don't think it's fair to judge Goku by Saiyan standards until Z. In early Dragon Ball, the only thing you can really compare Goku to are humans, and he's leagues more talented than most humans, with Tien as maybe the only one close from pre-Z.

[@crisisboy5822]

The thing about the kamehameha is that almost every character that uses it also learned it after just seeing it, they even make a joke about it when krillin first does it by simply doing the pose roshi and goku do. Really the only one who had issues learning it was Roshi, and he was the one who created it

[@mobiusmobius738]

Ywach specifically labelled Ichigo as one of the 5 Special War Powers/Threats due to his Potential/Latent Ability. While he does work hard, let's not forget that every power up he gains in about a few months is equivalent to Captains diligently training decades if not centuries.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Lets also not forget that Ichigo is a science experiment engineered to be absurdly strong and exceed the limits of natural lifeforms.

[@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1]

It's good that you mention how Goku has changed and considered two versions of him. Because the way a character is written or depicted can change with time

[@henrygarcia39]

Deku said it himself, “I am so blessed”. Edit: Wow, I got a lot a replies, I guess that the answer isn’t as simple as I originally thought it was. Regardless, Deku still put in the work for OFA and I gotta remember that.

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

And All Might himself refuted that.(paraphrasing here) "There's a difference between working hard to obtain a power and being blessed by being born with one." Also keep in mind the Quirkless aren't exactly treated very well in the MHA universe. His 'blessing' was meeting someone willing to give him the tools to stand on equal ground with opponents like Muscular

[@DyllanNudo-pb4ih]

So deku just got lucky

[@henrygarcia39]

@@QuickSilverKitsune I actually forgot about that but isn’t Deku lucky for being the one for all user who gets to have all of the other quirks?

[@mgenj1582]

@@henrygarcia39 any other person who get that power could get it to but since deku was quirkless all might gave it to deku so he can stand equal to others if it was mirio who got the power he would got the other quirks too and he would be able to control it better since he has a better body

[@mgenj1582]

But he would have died in a year because the more quirk you have your life span shortens

[@ryujisama]

Kenichi is most def the king of Team Hard Work. Litterally working from ground zero, to being a legit badass. So proud.

[@mr.protagonist5639]

Kenichi's training was literal torture. I remember he legit died several times and had to have his heart restarted BEFORE he signed up to live at the dojo and train full time.

[@Shinntoku]

I think Saitama is hard to place because we don't actually know *how* his limiter was broken, just that it happened. It's possible anyone following his regiment could break their own limiters, but it's also possible Saitama is just naturally capable of breaking that limiter in a way no other human is

[@eurickhidalgo9423]

Yea it’s a little bit of a turn off not knowing why he’s so strong cuz when he told Genos what you did he said that basic training that it’s not even high intensity lmao

[@kingnaaa]

It’s because he’s the protagonist

[@eurickhidalgo9423]

@@kingnaaa yea i mean everyone else is serious development it's cool but more of a gag thats why the animes i watch religiously is jobless reincarnation, ippo, and ahiru no sora. one punch man i was just watch anime reviewer talk about it

[@eurickhidalgo9423]

@@only_dream_is_2d yea it’s a good show but idk like his power is limitless idk if it’s really trained for just honestly

[@kyokokirigiri9010]

My theory is that I think breaking one's limiter requires the person to have an insanely strong will. Think about it, Darkshine was training all his life yet never broke the limiter he had he probably had a more balanced training regimen that started slow but eventually got harder compared to Saitama who immediately went for the most painful regimen the difference was Saitama had more willpower to pull through it. Darkshine pretty much gave up after his physique got ruined suggesting he had a weak will. Garou was starting to break his limiter the more he fought because his will was so strong that he kept on pushing past his intended limit but not enough like Saitama because he never nurtured it. It might have something to do with a person's willpower. They go further than their intended limit in order to break through the binding they have in order for their limiter to shatter.

[@mrstealyogril9426]

Not mad at the Ichigo placement but one thing I'd like to note is most of his hard work was more mental than physical. Ichigo's character arc is similar to what you said about Naruto learning to live and conquer his inner demon, and also a journey of self acceptance. He's still a hard worker (like pretty much all of these MCs) but other than when he went into the bleach time chamber and trained for like a year nonstop he only had maybe 3 months of training. Without spoiling, Ichigo's power almost always correlate to his mental state, and take note of what zangetsu looks like when he's panicked or scared. An honorable mention on this list for me is Tsuna from Hitman Reborn, he's definitely a hardwork and has the perfect balance of training both his mind and his body. GRINDINGALLMYLIFE

[@thunderkatz4219]

Exactly

[@snowman9631]

ichigo is literally an experiment created by Aizen... he has several different lineages and gets granted powers on several occasions...

[@yourdad5799]

@@snowman9631 yea and? That doesn't mean anything in this conversation. He had to work mentally so he could reach his potential

[@snowman9631]

@Your dad "That doesn't mean anything..." Jesus christ... what a stupid ass statement 😒 🙄

[@jonsolo7343]

@@snowman9631 that doesn't change anything at all

[@m0ckyzo185]

The thing about Bleach is that it's not about gaining new strength. It's more about looking within yourself and *finding* the strength you've always had. Just look at Kenpachi's whole character. This applies to Ichigo as well

[@sorajimashirou3802]

The thing is ichigo is blessed. He found the strength that he always had and gets huge power boost from it physically. While others? Maybe stronger mentally but not physically

[@thisisnotme6542]

Yeah, but your fucked when that inner strength you find does nothing for you because you aren't a demigod. When things are resolved by killing someone, it really ends at actual physical strength.

[@sorajimashirou3802]

@@thisisnotme6542 does nothing? "Stronger *mentally* but not physically" I already said that. Yeah no name side character gets fucked even though he had goals, ambition, determination and will to sacrifice, just to show how powerful the enemy is.

[@sorajimashirou3802]

@@thisisnotme6542 i honestly like and respect ichigo as a character but you see i respect more someone like Lee and Guy than naruto or ichigo. Because they're also goes through depression and acceptance just like naruto and ichigo but they got nothing yet they're still powerful and surpassed their peers through pure hardwork and determination.

[@RandomGuy-ci9nt]

​@@thisisnotme6542 So the Blade is me meant nothing then?

[@fmbholyrunner3316]

Honestly Kenichi is the one that inspired me the most, but it was because of this channel that I was able to work on myself. I know I still have work ahead of me when it comes to the physical side of things, but I'm in a better head space thanks to everything you've been doing Jax. Best channel I've found, much love. Also Grindingallmylife

[@JaxBlade]

Im happy to hear that King and Im honored by words! Keep crushing it King!

[@wicked.a950]

Glad Asta was at least mentioned, when in the Asta vs Liebe fight Nacht said that Adta'd training wasn't for nothing it literally brought tears to my eyes

[@AnimeBallsDeep]

Great video 😂

[@purplemurplewarrior1215]

why has no one else replied to this

[@user-xd7mh5sr1n]

20th like baby. Let's go

[@lapinal3067]

Sadly, in the manga they've reduced all goku's achievements to "Bardock wished for his son to be successful"

[@addictedtochocolate920]

Weird thing is that your argument for Super Goku being Team Talent actually switches Vegeta from Talent to Hard Work too; he has no magical wish to make things easier for him, and he stays up on his guard constantly to face powerful enemies who will eventually beat him because he's not the protagonist, yet he manages to stay on par with super Goku.

[@brandonlyon730]

Doesn't change the fact he pretty much won the genetic lottery. Same with Goku to an extent.

[@alexmartin6561]

@@brandonlyon730 I'd say that's broly who won the genetic lottery.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Vegeta was always team hard work. Like, we never see him do anything *but* work to improve himself. It's his only hobby, his primary character trait, and his main motivation in life. He's not an elite because he was born that way (though he was), he's an elite because he takes the responsibilities of his birthright seriously. The saiyans are a proud warrior race, and their king is the greatest warrior among them. That's why he's allowed to call himself king. And that's also why Vegeta calls himself the *prince* of all saiyans. Because more than anybody else, he respects the title and everything it stands for. He has to earn it, and until there is no doubt who the greatest warrior is, he hasn't earned it.

[@gadaddo4794]

Vegeta's can't be Team Hard work even though he works hard because he was born to be one of the strongest Saiyajin from the get-go, and if we count filler as canon, Vegata had better ways of training as a child than most low class Saiyajin.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@gadaddo4794 We're directly shown that the best training a saiyan can get is direct life-or-death combat. That by itself contradicts your argument.

[@benoitbrown9400]

Something to keep in mind, the hard work can often inform the talent. The people who worked hard advance the science of their art so the talented can focus on pushing it to the next level. OG Goku figured out that super saiyan exists and can be accessed, Goku Super and the new saiyans used that experience to refine in to something reliable and measurable.

[@adrianmatthews2931]

Goku and deku made me start my journey years ago, and I'm definitely going to try one of your workout plans 😊

[@josegar30]

Now that I'm older I say luffy, Lee and ichigo completely broke my brain. Weather, sick, pain if I made a promise I keep it and when I decided to lose weight no matter the hunger or tireness I manage to lose 60 lbs, got surgery gain 40 and lost 20. All because luffy save nami in park and sanji by climbing the mountain just because he had to. Lee show me as long as you can keep moving I have no reason to not move and ichigo he may be team talent but he definitely team hard work when it came to overcoming every mental problem he had and he showed me no matter what's going on and no matter what dark place you're in you must find yourself and heal or a mess up demon version of yourself will take over to protect you and if you have a support system there no shame on using them if you really have to, admittedly im still working on that last part but that what I learn. I wish I grew up with Spiderman because I would had place him here too

[@addictedtochocolate920]

I was not expecting the Chung Lee and Korra cosplays. This man is beyond based and confident.

[@shonenbois]

One thing I really love about the way Luffy uses his devil fruit is pretty with his child like imagination like for example moves like Gum gum Wind mill and UFO are childish on paper but the way Luffy makes it work through his creativity is something special and fun to see.(SPOILERS) Even with the Nika fruit he still uses funny toon force attacks thanks to his child like imagination. That’s why I feel The Gum Gum was made for him and no other person in the series could use it like him. That’s just my opinion on that topic

[@ajshiro3957]

Grinding all my life. I would say my boy Yusuke is a big inspiration for my training. I've been counted out by teachers. Seeing Yusuke use and improve his willpower when people bet against him is inspirational

[@HeisenbergWhite2013]

Baki is between hardwork and talented His hanma blood helped him alot But his training also helped him as much as his blood was

[@superserpent4889]

I don’t know if you’ll end up seeing this but I just wanna say thank you, you helped me become more athletic and stronger as a whole your Baki tough like the toons really helped me become better so I just want to say thank you

[@JaxBlade]

Awesome to hear king! I’m proud of you! Keep crushing it

[@Leo-nard0]

PATREON SQUAD UP IN HERE!! Great video Jax & Honestly I agree with your points though it did make me want to go back and re-read certain series too so thanks for lighting that spark again loll

[@therealedboi]

GrindingAllMyLife for sure! Great video man. Real solid

[@coadamolx0100]

one thing people miss about saitama is that he removed his limiter not broke it , garou broke it , ppl who turn to monsters broke it they just get a higher one . also saitama kept his training even tho he was literally breaking his body doing it while literally fighting monsters daily and getting injured ..so yeah he's pretty much the epitome of working hard

[@milesandrews6711]

Yeah but it's questionable if it was his hard work that led to his talent or his training as Genos finds it inconceivable for someone to get that strong with such simply training

[@bwahchannel9746]

So what entails removing a limiter versus breaking a limiter and how are the two different from each other

[@entity.x]

@@bwahchannel9746 That guy already said it. Breaking your limiter means you get another limiter while Saitama kept breaking all of his limiters to the point there was no limiter to bound him, he removed all of it.

[@entity.x]

@@milesandrews6711 again read his comment. It's not his training that made him remove his limiters. In the manga, Psykos explained that one who experience near-death get huge boost in power and sometimes manages to get past their limiter. Saitama who fought with monsters daily nearly died several times. Also, his training is not simple either. He did it every single days for THREE YEARS. In a bonus chapter, it showed his body not able to kept up and breaking down but Saitama still trained. And of course, you need to have willpower.

[@somberthunder8908]

Jax I truly love your content. You're a anime fan and disciplined worker for yourself and for us. I respect you so much

[@lonelyandstonely]

6:58 Nah he jus killed that man with that liver punch, you couldve ended the fight wit half that force brotha 😂

[@johng.8327]

That's actually very interesting! Brilliant topic bro!

[@NewAgeRenegXde]

Wow, I was worried you took easy shots like ippo and baki but as you explained your lucky choices I realized how in depth you looked into these. Respect ✊🏿

[@bankanloozy2529]

This channel is so interesting and fun and you can tell he's very knowledgeable about anime and working out - Good Video too btw!❤

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

GringingAllMyLife, this was fun!! I hope you do another one of these sometime soon

[@ruffalo1643]

Honestly I believe both of them are actually helpful in development, because only relying on one of them will make life harder.

[@Ravensgale]

I'd say this is a more honest and looked-into list than most power scaling community lists that are almost always slanted towards making a particular franchise look better than the rest. Good work! Also, glad someone else reads/watches Kenichi. That show doesn't get enough love.

[@MagicalMaster]

What motivates me hard is the first opening of Kenichi. It's in the song. That the best got there one step at a time. During which it shows you the masters working out to maintain their incredible level of skill and ability. That's just the opening! Of course I love the dude.

[@Apartment-xp3pt]

Grindin all my life. Dude great video I’ve been subbed to you on a few accounts for almost 10 years. You’ve come such a long way Jax. Very happy you’re still here through all of the ups and downs you’ve faced. Definitely putting you on team hard work.

[@jonahromero7476]

Been GrindinAllMyLife and I gotta say, Ippo and Kenichi hype me up the most. They just have a lot of time dedicated to how they train, and it's really inspiring

[@EditDeath]

GrindingAllMyLife I'd love to see you make a list like this for sports anime protags. You'd think they'd all fit into hard work, but then you compare shows like Baby Steps and Prince of Tennis. Both are tennis based, but Baby Steps' protag started by passing out during the warm-up, while Prince of Tennis' protag was basically a super hero start to finish. There's a lot of examples on both sides who can follow Ippo's inclusion in a list

[@SpacemanT2V]

The ichigo joke hit way to hard lmao 😂

[@mikeress1784]

It’s so funny and true about your example on ichigo 😂😂😂 that’s so true 😂😂😂 low key! You made my day

[@RoninOnTheStickz]

GrindingAllMyLife - Well done list!

[@mitrashailendra3817]

Naruto told Neji that hard work could overcome talent, and in the next breath, uses the nine tails energy to continue fighting. If Naruto didn’t have all those abilities, the show would be called Might Guy.

[@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou]

Naruto did work hard though, he just had better talent. Rock lee asks a question pertaining to what if a talented person worked as hard as he did. Unfortunately the person with more talent naturally just gets stronger. Naruto did work just as hard, just as hard as everyone else but he had the resources lost other people didn’t do he’s both. Everyone is both really

[@ovidiudante]

Kenichi and Ippo are all the more amazing cause you can see how their potential comes from solid hard work. Whenever Kenichi does something amazing that breaks his limits it's because he did all kinds of training routines hundreds of times until they became natural for him. Also glad you pointed out that befriending Kurama was not any easy feat. So many people just look at how overpowere he became and not at the level of mental development and strength one would need to go from a traumatized child to someone who could emphatize with a monster, living inside him that also wants to eat him, rather than hate it with all your might.

[@maikelcardeno1441]

Bruh, most of us can't even forgive our own failures, dude had the mental maturity to take what everyone regards as a monster and say "You know what you need bub? you need a friend".

[@bankanloozy2529]

Nah this list was so accurate go off jax❤

[@Papaskidds]

Dude I've seen you in so many comment sections and now you're in my recommendations lol. Also mad respect for recognizing og Dragonball as the best of the series def earned the sub from me

[@pugy2000]

If you do a part two I'd love to hear your thoughts on Simon the Digger. It's easy to put him in talent because "oh he's just supposed to be a super broken anime character" and he has a core drill. But if you take everything into consideration aside from the core drill (which doesn't make him physically stronger in any way) all of the other humans had that same potential that he did, and it was only through trial and error that he learned to be as strong as he is. The only part I can think of where Simon was saved by an unexpected outside force is when Kamina saved him from the Anti Spiral's mind prison. But even though Kamina broke him out of it, it was still Simon's power and spiral mastery that let him merge every version of himself, breaking the prison. And the only real argument I can think of against all of that is the nature of Spiral power, which is essentially "if you believe in yourself then you can do it" but saying Simon didn't work hard because of how his power works is kinda dumb because at the beginning of the series Simon didn't believe in himself and was only able to use spiral power because he believed in his friends which made it weaker then it would normally be. Anyways imma stop ranting now

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Given how the powers in Gurren Lagann work, I'm going to say team talent.

[@dustytoyknife2343]

​@fighting media lounge why tho ,every one has the same power in that verse even the anti spiral

[@pugy2000]

@@dustytoyknife2343 exactly, and it's never stated that Simon was born with more spiral power than normal. He had to work for that power in the way that Spirals would, not through intense physical training but instead working on his confidence and believing in himself. He still put in the work, it was just in a different way from your typical character like Goku who trains physically

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@dustytoyknife2343 because spiral energy doesn't really need hard to manifest or increase.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@pugy2000 except he didn't. Simon could access that power within the first episode. While he definitely struggled throughout the series, so did every character on team talent. The line between team talent and team hard work is how much their progress was helped along by abilities and opportunities most characters in that universe wouldn't have

[@kayohwai]

GridingAllMyLife! At first I thought of Goku as purely Team Talent, but you laid out a solid argument. I agree now, he started out Team Training. No objection to the rest, either.

[@JaxBlade]

Thanks MAN! & yeah that was a discussion point I wanted to really explore & thanks for watching!

[@Madness_78]

GrindingAllMyLife, Love your content, keeps me motivated and I'll be waiting for the next Tier Video. Reaching new PRs because of you. Thank you.

[@icecoldmindset]

GrinidingAllMyLife Really cool video would would love to see more

[@bunklypeppz]

To be fair to Deku, his situation is kind of a mix of both. On one hand, he has the "talent" of being able to use OFA better than Allmight and basically anyone else, but that is paradoxically because of his inherent lack of talent compared to everyone else. The only reason why he's so compatible with the quirk and those of the previous users is because of the fact that he doesn't have a quirk at all, which I consider to be different in essence to the more standard gifted characters who are super strong and talented because of their bloodline or some special ability they were born with.

[@lilporky8565]

Isn't Deku a better user of OFA because he's the most recent in the chain? I thought the whole point of the quirk was that it increases in power with each person that inherits it.

[@jonathandear4914]

@@lilporky8565 Thats power, not the same as training, and as we saw early on, Izuku could not manage that power without breaking his body in some form.

[@lilporky8565]

@@jonathandear4914 I agree with you actually, but I just wanted to set some facts straight.

[@randomgamer625]

@@lilporky8565The quirk evolved as a side affect of being passed down and buffed with each generation. Also the main reason all might and Deku can use it so effectively is because they don’t have a quirk however there is a difference. All might is capable of using one for all without any downsides because he’s quirkless but it was also weaker as all might said that he didn’t have any problems using it when he first got it like Deku Deku on the other hand is using a much more powerful version then the one all might used which causes his body to destroy itself from the power Also both all might and Deku are capable of using it because giving it to someone with a quirk would make them powerful but would also cut there life span due to the strain. Basically filling a cup of water with more water. But because Deku and all might are quirkless they don’t have any downsides because it’s like filling a cup of water that’s empty

[@francescolara6854]

As much as I love Berserk, and Guts literally struggled every single moment of his life, he IS a super-human, "Because you were born nearer to death it's easier for you to escape from it", it could also mean nothing tough, but he was saved by luck a couple of times.

[@adinagnadinger1535]

Hey, just did your follow along baki stretching video and loved it. Do you plan to do some follow along yoga vids as well? Keep up the good work and thank you!

[@randombluet-shirtguy2387]

Love your video man

[@dimissavage]

I like the list. Recently Ippo (Takamura too lol) has been my number one motivator from anime. Just started boxing and that show gets me pumped

[@JaxBlade]

AWESOME DUDE!! Best of luck in your career with that as well :D

[@jaidynallen3847]

You should do this list again, but with Garou on it. Since he did work very very very hard for basically his entire story then God gave him a power up and I’m not sure how that would counterbalance it, but he still had to withstand the power in the first place.

[@SirArtanis7]

Grinding all my life, this list was very interesting. Can't wait to see the next one

[@kuice2909]

Awesome vid man! Would like to see multiple parts with different characters :D

[@JaxBlade]

Thanks DUDE!

[@Jay_SGE]

Very fun topic and good video I feel like if you’re going to put Naruto, Ichigo and Luffy in talent for good genes. You’d need to do the same for Baki seeing as he literally was born from the strongest bloodline in Humanity. It’s not like of Naruto sat around he’d be OP you know?

[@calebjones7868]

Luffy is mainly in talent due to his luck I think he said. Not much about genetics just his insane luck

[@Divinity582]

Naruto is also in because of being a reincarnation of incredibly op people and having kurama

[@lamar9616]

​@@Divinity582him being born as a reincarnation had no power benefits for 90 percent the series

[@PremonitionGamingVid]

See, you gained like +10 respect instantly putting guts in team hard work.

[@henshinkazuma]

#GrindingAllMyLife. Thanks for the great vid, Jax. Not been in a good mental space due to personal matters but seeing this vid reminded me of the GOATs of hard work, Kenichi and Ippo. Been trying to get back into working out, IF and personal happiness. Thanks for the vid again and looking forward to more. Gotta get on that grind.

[@lonelyandstonely]

Natsu isnt even a question, every fairytail fight is “my friends are hurt, grrrr 😠”

[@garfrockbreadtroll]

again, if you have ippo in your content, you are automatically one of the goats

[@JaxBlade]

IPPO FOREVER GOATED King

[@jonathanasencio9061]

Ippo definitely motivates me in a very special way, it’s one of the reasons Hajime No Ippo is my favorite manga. As for the list, I would personally put Deku in team hard work yes he got lucky by many circumstances but he had to keep innovating and pushing to find new ways to adapt and used his brain to train smart. I also do agree Naruto is team talent, the fact that Kurama actively disrupted his chakra as a child (hence why he failed a lot) until they got along proves it, on top of the narrative when he masters the Rasenshuriken which was supposed to symbolize him surpassing Minato who was one of the biggest talents in a generation

[@CalebGaming-lr3qr]

That saitama impression was crazy, I really thought you pulled up some audio from the show for a sec. 12:49

[@sandyjourneys]

grinding all my life this was fun video to watch.

[@sincerepulley9662]

I don’t see ichigo of all people(the guy with a million bloodlines,2 weeks in total training)in team hard work I AM PUZZLED how this is arguement from people

[@sincerepulley9662]

Well considering Jax hopefully there is a twist

[@sincerepulley9662]

@@zerokura could be

[@akllum]

Is no one going to mention he's sick awesome amazing Saitama voice that surprised me how accurate it was.

[@JaxBlade]

I was just joking around 🤣🤣but thank you

[@konstantinosntelirabakas7340]

#grindingallmylife ! Kreygasm cool vid man!.. my favourite gotta be Tai Lung from kung fu panda and Dante from DMC but in anime it gotta be Lancer from the Fate: Stay/Night series in terms of melee combat. But Gilgamesh is my overall favourite. he is a bad guy but he always makes the show interesting.

[@metalkami5292]

Bro your Saitama voice is so Good I thought it was sample from the anime 🔥🔥😂

[@nikgokuhil]

Luffy's luck is so off the charts that its his legit super power. The whole world lines up for him to take that perfect shot. Even the hardships he faced were necessary and worked in his favor And damn right about Kenichi, he got trained to death literally. He had no talent, but once the masters decided to take him in, his future to be the greatest was sealed

[@bee9679]

I don't think Luffy is just lucky either, I believe it has to do with One Piece's story being driven a lot by fate. Luffy, being Joy Boy, is DESTINED to free the world- he has to. It's not simply for story reasons, it's through the will of the world and all of its people. It's not luck, it's a prophecy. Which still puts him on team talent, but I digress.

[@quinndepatten4442]

I feel like this should be a Venn diagram or a spectrum. Gon definitely worked hard, but HXH explicitly showed that Gon has innate talent. Deku was basically given the best quirk, but he's closer to hard work.

[@Dragon_Aoi]

I disagree, Gon trained harder than Deku imo. Yeah, he has talent, but talent can only take u so far in HxH; experience, skills, training, smarts, luck even, etc., is also important. Gon is way closer to hard work than Deku, Deku barely trained in comparison to Gon (and defin. Killua). Sure, Gon has talent, but at least he still has to work hard and train and etc., in order to actually get stronger. Deku trained and worked on some (before and after getting his quirk(s)), and then was just given an OP (basically the "best" or one of the "best") quirk(s) (and he could also use multiple other/a lot of other quirks now too), that did break his body at first (though Gon also breaks his body, but for different reasons) though, but now doesn't. So yeah, I disagree, I think Gon is closer to hard work than Deku (imo). Honestly, I would put Killua (though with Killua, he basically worked for everything he ever got/had, and/or was more like tortured/abused basically, but you know, so with Killua, while like Gon, I see as mixture between the two; i.e. hardwork and talent, he more leans towards hard work quite a fair amount to me. They are both a mixture though) and Gon probably as both talent and hard work/experience (imo). Deku, honestly, if I could, I would him under "almost/some pure good/amazing luck" (because I don't know if I would call it "talent" with him, more like luck. But I guess luck could maybe be considered a talent in some form) and some hard work. Don't hate Deku or anything, but to me, he was given a lot in the series. Way more than Gon, and way more than a lot of other characters, esp. for being a supposed underdog. At least HxH never painted Killua and Gon as underdogs unlike Deku.

[@Alikaakui808]

I like this video! Please make another!

[@wisdommanari6701]

Grindinonmylife love you Jax, love your content love you on Twitter even though sometimes you're so down bad it makes me laugh. You're the best looking forward to the next video

[@LEONthemercenarie]

GrindingAllMyLife, I would definitely say Kenichi was one of my biggest motivators.

[@JaxBlade]

MOST DEF!!

[@aidanshowers8366]

When it comes to the wish bardock made we may never get a definitive answer for while if at all, because that’s just Toriyama’s writing style he leaves things open for future potential exploration if he ever feels like it. Imo deku is easily hard work, while yes he did get really good with the quirk it was really only because he studied other heroes’ forms of combat in depth and applied those styles to all for one. Without that knowledge deku likely could have taken just as if not longer than all might to master one for all, but I do see why you put him in talent.

[@gamesdisk]

I not watch a jaxvid in a while. But man I like the mood

[@kagutohagate2079]

Hope you make more of these

[@randompoet9997]

Another important thing to add with Kenichi is that, unlike Deku, he was actually trying to grow stronger before his lucky encounter with a master. He just so happened to be incredibly unlucky with who he got training with before Ryozanpaku.

[@VolticWind]

tbf Deku treated his dream of becoming a Hero more like a delusional fantasy than an actual aspiration before meeting All Might.

[@tinyrobot6813]

​@@VolticWind yup cause it is really stupid to think that he could even make it without powers. Also he did take note on heros and villains

[@kinkajoulegend9989]

@@VolticWind I agree. I find it dumb that he didn't even have a backup plan even though he seemed to understand that it was basically impossible. He showed he was intelligent multiple times throughout the series, but had no thought for future plans/consequences so I guess it's consistent with his character, but it irked me

[@wisedredd8203]

luffy's fruit turned out to be extremely rare true, but I think that the work he put in to even awaken that fruit in the first place deservers him a spot in hard work, from training with it as a child where it actively hindered him, to gradually learning and practicing different ways to use a seemingly mediocre fruit, everything up until gear 5 was his hardwork, creativity and resourcefulness

[@JaxBlade]

Like I said in the pinned comment above if there was a BOTH Tier he would’ve Easily been there cause he Def deserves it

[@snowman9631]

luffy got lucky with the fruit and happening to live where shanks wanted to be... he has conquerors haki... he is a D... he is said to be extremely likable unlike anyone else... stupid enough to think ANYTHING is possible so he has limitless drive... dude is mega lucky with just raw potential no 1 can match

[@husky447117]

Grinding all my life please do more videos like this

[@Fedico7000]

cool outro, took a sec to realize.

[@fireemblemaddict128]

Deku has always been team talent, ever since getting One for All. The story has a major fetish for him being the underdog, but when you really think about it his abilities were already well about the rest of his classmates. He did sort of work hard, but he was given the "I'm the best" quirk. The only thing holding him back was plot contrivance.

[@DuckyOFY]

I really hope this video pops off, i really really want to hear more characters about this category i love all your points. Tho the My hero analysis made me sad. I felt like there should have been a timeskip, as the timeline for deku getting that strong in two years bothers me. As the series is coming to an end, it would have been nice if the final arcs took place in their senior year and dekus massive power ups are introduced. It bothers me that their in high school yet deku is that strong.

[@kingnaaa]

Well it’s cuz he’s the chosen quirkless ofa user so he’s able to utilize ofa better then anyone with a quirk who would have received it

[@vandragon4524]

@@kingnaaa What about All Might? unless i am wrong he to was quirkless before getting it, and well into is adult years. did he know? i myself dont remember, not trying to start fights just a curious question cause i truly believe Deku is on team talent

[@plummerelijahep]

I just got an ad of you advertising your E book

[@heids7427]

This is a really good list imo man knows his anime

[@Spiral-Mark]

Here's an interesting question: Without powers, is being built different a talent or hard work? Also Jax, that voice impression of Saitama is absolutely spot on dude!

[@godspeedredeicieli4384]

Physically - Talent Mentally - Hard Work

[@addictedtochocolate920]

To me Saitama is the pinnacle of team hard work: a simple human with nothing special about him who trained so hard he broke limits as a whole and became undefeatable (in his universe. Not in the mood to get into power scaling childish banter). He will always be my favorite character in anime as a whole. Edit: what did i just say?

[@whiteeye3453]

Saitama is definition of Charles atlas superpower

[@Bananzia]

💀💀💀 Blud Saitama is definitely not a normal human If he was, someone else in the world most definitely has done something like he has. He’s probably been gifted by god

[@thealgorithm7921]

@@Bananzia saitama is regular ass dude The different thing about saitama’s whole regimen 100 pushups 100 situps 100 squats 10km run No air conditioning in the summer No Hear in the winter 3 meals a day a banana is fine Tapping it 3 years a day everyday Then he fought monsters throughout getting stronger He had to fight monsters while getting stronger he removed his limiter by working out to the point of exhaustion then going out and fighting monsters

[@kingnaaa]

Bro what is y’all coping on he did a workout anyone could do and just became broken, and he saw results quick, if that’s not utilizing talent everyone would be stronger in the series

[@brucewayne497]

@@kingnaaa ur dumb and clearly dont understand how one punch man verse works

[@Rastejador]

My Like was 700! And I liked the theme of the video, I debated a little with my brother. I hope the video is successful, looking forward to a part 2

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

Bro I just found your channel and I love it! Quick question in which team would you put Toriko and Kenshiro from fist of the north star.