Tebay Services | How This Underdog Is Shaking Things Up

[@Brian-om2hh]

Tebay is just a few miles up the road from me Dave. And the truck-stop at Carnforth - junction 35 on the M6 - has space for literally dozens of HGV's, together with what I'm told is a pretty decent cafe.... There is also plenty of HGV parking at M6 junction 38 services as well. Also Dave, depending on the time of day, you can get a nice breakfast at the Orton Scar cafe in Orton village, just a few more minutes drive further on, using the access road from where you would enter the Northbound Tebay services. It would cost a fair bit less than the services charge too!

[@marvinsamuels1237]

I love the Swarco units at Tebay. Used them for the 1st time in August on the way home from Edinburgh and they immediately became my favourite chargers to use. The large screens offer so many opportunities; clear pricing, clear instructions for new EV drivers, bright inviting screens providing information for those who have not yet made the switch to EV but are curious to know more. I'd like to see more of these devices at other locations.

[@andylucas4031]

The birds.....Pick up my EV next week Dave .A Renault Megan E tech .You put my mind at ease about getting a EV.Thanks Dave.

[@Harrythehun]

Fantastic! The Renault is a nice looking car! (My Tesla MY isn't pretty in any way but fricking amazing in many other ways)

[@edenviews]

Wow, quite a change taking place. I had trouble with the Swarco charger. Charging didn't start and It took my deposit more than once and according to my bank, I had to order a new card - left me paying cash for nearly a week! Also, the charge connector was so heavy, it would not stay on the holder. Bad experience, when I just wanted to experiment with 64p charging. The TESLAs were going too and fro happily behind me, and fuelled the frustration, since I was heading to the Preston area and back. The next occasion saw me purposefully going the narrow back lane, not very wide, but Zoe gets through and beautiful views at least. There's the Truckstop place at the Tebay junction, the services will be aiming to compete with, I suspect. Great you can do so many updates Dave😃😃😃

[@stevephillips9991]

Stopped here on my up to Scotland and back, in May. Loved the services and the 64p per kWh charging.

[@psm2day]

They are going to have to increase the size of the restaurant if they want lots more people to stop as we went in middle of October around 11am on a Monday morning and it was very busy, we wanted to access the Tesla chargers as we were on holiday in Ambleside and as others have said satnav routes you up to the next junction to bring you back down to the southbound, luckily a Tesla owner who lives in Kendal told us about accessing it from the northbound side and to ignore the no entry signs. I was hoping your video was going to be telling us that superchargers were about to be installed on the northbound side as the southbound were very busy on our visit.

[@djmorris103]

Funnily enough we were at Gloucester Services today. Had a really nice meal and used the superchargers. Excellent services. Will have to try Tebay when we have a trip up North.

[@andysimkin1068]

Charged my Tesla model 3 here when i visited the Lake District. Love this service station. The food is amazing locally sourced. Recommend the sausage rolls!

[@alexdwebba]

Next time were up there i'll call in in my ID Buzz

[@sargfowler9603]

Proper nice food there, a bit pricy, but a lot better than most. Good to see some fast chargers!

[@ChristopherRichards-n8j]

At Tebay northbound there are also slower chargers by the hotel for charging overnight. I didn't realise this when we stayed there in September. They are cheaper.

[@lancpudn]

The barrels in the back of the van with the police in attendance could well be the criminal fraternity who steal diesel from HGV's parked overnight in the lorry parks.

[@smartmart1958]

They could put the solar farm over the parking bays

[@ians3328]

Tebay always used to be our first stop on way up to Aberdeen, but with useless chargers we had been passing it by; now we charge when we stop. I did notice they had a lot of decent ones now Northbound so we stopped. Lovely view looking out over the duck pond but the cake to go with the coffee choice was poor. On the way back we took a chance and stopped Southbound and had horrendous issues with the charger. even tried downloading the app etc..... Lucky the other one came free and hence we moved to that which was fine. We did not know about the crossover road then; very unusual for a services as normally they are all gated off. Cake options (same as North bound) still poor but shop good. Glad to see they are sorting out the lack of units Southbound too. This was where all the Tesla charging queues were last christmas so I wonder if Tesla drivers actually realise they can use "our" units !

[@blobstrom]

Stopped on the northbound to charge. Yes really nice services

[@DB25k]

Dave the crime investigatigater as well as motorway services site manager reporter, plus charging point statitics and pricing number cruncher.. yet another fantastic video keeping us informed.

[@mjcamp01]

Part of the reason there isn't much HGV space at Tebay is there is a dedicated HGV stop a mile south at J38 called Old Tebay, which has about 80 HGV spaces

[@Brian-om2hh]

Yes, that is correct.

[@ianrob4760]

the 64p should be the standard for many and then memberships for others like ionity if need them a lot

[@djtaylorutube]

Try less than 44p, not 64, that's still far too high.

[@ianrob4760]

@@djtaylorutube on th motorway though always a premium ? look at petrol ... but clearly my local BP pulse is 79p 2 miles away and thats a joke

[@ians3328]

@@djtaylorutube We are still paying for them to roll out the infrastructure we need. Obviously I will go to the cheapest hence hopefully demand drives down the price.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@ians3328 Not quite, EV drivers are being asked to pay towards hopeful investors who want an ROI and won't let the price be lower. Tesla is so much cheaper, no reason to visit anywhere else unless desperate.

[@PaulSavage-c7p]

Tebay is one of the best motorway services in the UK, would be nice to see some HGV charge points for passing Scania EV's.

[@chrispayne523]

We had the same problem a couple of years ago at Teybay, wondered where the hell we were going. Got lost going back. The satnav didn't know where to take us.

[@SmithyScotland]

Always thought Teabay had a small lorry park was due to the large lorry park a couple miles away. Teabay servrices needs a complete redesign as it often gridlocks and I cant see that improving.

[@davidkramrisch]

Dave. Great vid. Any more chargers going in do you know?

[@tonydoc903]

Any chance you can check on the supercharger that’s going to be built at St Andrews Quay in Hull. Love the videos. 🙌👍.

[@Medved290]

these are Gloucester services too. same company. I hope they take over all the services.

[@evinterest6348]

More hand movements and wobbling. Keep up the good work.

[@moragkerr9577]

Each time I've been to the southbound services all four chargers have been occupied and I had to wait about 15 minutes to get on a charger. There are a bazillion Tesla chargers, but they're not open so non-Teslas just have to sit and wait and look at all the empty Tesla stalls. I chatted to the guy in the restaurant, and he said they had big plans for more chargers, that they were going to move the ordinary parking back from the restaurant and fill in the space close to the restaurant with more chargers. He didn't give a timescale and I was hoping you might have an update, but not a word. Four really isn't enough on the southbound. I'm intending to charge there on Friday morning, so I might be able to find out more. That's interesting about the access road. Might investigate it if there's a queue on the southbound side on Friday.

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, Tebay is special, way better than all the others. I recall they also own Rheged and another services further south, Westmorland family. The Police were possibly investigating illegal Diesel judging by the drums in the back, bleaching red diesel maybe?

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

yeah Gloucester services - really nice with 6 double rapids plus a bank of tesla chargers. north and south, excellent services.

[@iaing9028]

I would have thought it was fuel theft.

[@timoliver8940]

Westmoreland’s Price of electricity completely opposite to on the motorway diesel and petrol - cheaper on the motorway than at most non Tesla chargers off the motorway!

[@x5toledo]

You believed the car sat nav? Top optimist 😂

[@stevenbarrett7648]

One of my favourite stops too, lovely food and great shop, we have a few Elephants from there !

[@vannicrider7953]

I discovered the most expensive charger in the UK I believe. The National Motor Museum in Solihil 7kw charges £1.50 to connect then 90p per kwh. I only needed 5kwh to get back home so gave it a miss and rapid charged instead. Can anyone beat that? For what I needed it would be £6!

[@antoniopalmero4063]

Cheers Dave

[@davegreen-d1o]

Have you been to the A1 juc 7 all new Gridserv and Tesla Hub .

[@allanmcgregor9641]

Have you noticed that the Tesla app now shows EV otm sites now

[@mjcamp01]

A solar farm near a car park, solar canopies a thought too far away?

[@MizraPaul]

The barrels in the back of the van are likely to be either stolen diesel or contaminated oil for fly-tipping.

[@Jaw0lf]

Tebay will be a stop when we head up that way . Thanks for the updates Dave.

[@jimjolly4560]

Best coffee on the motorway network!

[@Joe-lb8qn]

Look forward to visiting this next year on my way up to the lake district. Interestingly as of today 20th NOv, , Zap Map is showing no chargers at all N bound.

[@davetakesiton]

I was there Tuesday, there are 6 dual 250kW Volt units (previously Swarco) meaning 12 bays and they were busy when I filmed but always some vacant.

[@ians3328]

It was on Zap-Map when I looked before our trip in August. Just checked they are there you must have a filter or something set. Or blow the map up its hiding behind the slow ones icon.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

@ can't be a filter because it's showing me chargers of all sorts everywhere except tebay N. Very strange. I might try deleting the app and adding it again.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

I deleted the app and added back and the chargers magically appeared.

[@AndyJHiscock]

Hmmm no Chademo charging anymore. Must remember to bypass Tebay and use the nearby instavolt ;)

[@DennisBell-dbn]

No drive through charging for caravans and lorries??? 😢

[@DavidPlayfair]

Any Chademos there, Dave?

[@davidkramrisch]

No chademo chargers alas….

[@mickhursey4802]

Let’s hope there’s some HGV chargers going in?

[@byxf3pdrve]

Probably not, the same company have a dedicated truck stop at J38

[@josephsoap2698]

Why ? for the odd 1 or 2 electric trucks that are on the road.

[@davec1768]

Dave, let's hope charging isn't inflated like the rest of the prices at Tebay, the most expensive services in the North.

[@johnnyhollis9977]

More green fields being ripped up...........

[@ComeJesusChrist]

David, you responded to a comment of mine that I posted in response to another person’s comment. Responding as if I was exchanging comments with you, you used inexcusable language, threats and personal insults, without even making an effort to follow the argument that involved someone else’s response and alleged figures. Perhaps you operate multiple accounts and it was one of your other accounts that you engaged with. May I ask you to control your emotions in the future and avoid name-calling, threats and personal insults? It seems to me that you have difficulties partaking in discussions where others may disagree with you or scrutinise figures to make a point. I did nothing uncivil and inappropriate, but you have. I also recall that you were recently mocking my Christian faith and you were also mocking the return of Christ, a key doctrine of our Christian faith and practice. I pray that you may have mercy from the LORD. You do whatever you want on your channel, I have no pride and if you deleted or kept and shadow-banned my comments, it will make little difference in the way things are going. You may reflect on this very soon, when the world will be completely different, but not in the way you and most people expect.

[@ScrappyDoodad]

HEY! This isn't an EV Hating propaganda I was looking for an EV Hate Video to hate on I like EVs and I have one, oh well, I will keep looking but I am sure that I will find a fresh one spewing that same ole stale misinformation and disinformation

[@djtaylorutube]

If you need some pointers...😁

[@davetakesiton]

sorry to let you down

[@Actually-y7j]

Sad to see country side being ripped up and tarred. Not very Greeen.

[@the_none_believer]

Hello EV drivers how's your batteries range managing in this cold weather. My car is unaffected by the cold or heat, and is nice and toasty warm as heated by bi product of running my engine.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

And yet ICEV owners pay more per unit of heat produced, even as a engine by-product than a EV with or without a heat pump; ignoring that many ICEV also have resistive PTC cabin heating elements boosting the engine heat captured, to maintain constant heat supply.

[@davidkramrisch]

I lost 15% range however it was completely manageable ✅. I planned to stop at Tebay and put in charge whilst I went to the toilet and grabbed a coffee so no loss of time whatsoever. My EV car was also nice and toasty as it has a heat pump so alas you are behind the times..

[@the_none_believer]

@@davidkramrisch Hopefully would like to stay that way as long the government will leave me alone to do so 😊

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

Yeah range drops to about 170 miles, still plenty to go the 40 miles or so round trips I normally do., plus my ev is toasty warm when I get in, no need to wait for engine to warm up! Oh and costs almost nowt to run :-) I doubt your fossil car is unaffected by the temperature.. the mpg must be woeful for the first 10 miles or so plus the other bi products is poisoning people who live nearby and also trashing the environment. But hey ho, as long as youre ok I guess thats all that matters eh?

[@Sp_75-76]

Yesterday I drove to Gatwick.(The temperature outside the car was 2 degrees.) and back in my Enyaq EV to collect my son and his family, on the way back they asked me to turn the heat down, The trip of 86 miles cost (26 p / 3.5 miles / kwh; So worked out at 7.4 p per mile and it was only this much because I forgot to charge overnight so had to pay the full price. Had I remembered to plug in it would have cost 2p per mile

[@ComeJesusChrist]

The ‘reasonably priced’ 64p per kWh shows the absurdity and sad reality of the EV misery. Public charging still only contains 20% VAT, home charging is subject to 5% VAT and it would be delusional not to expect the government imposing duties and VAT comparable to petrol and diesel very soon. Well over 50% of the retail price of fuel is VAT and duties. Pay per mile is also coming, justified by the reduced revenue from EVs. 69p per kWh with an older Tesla averaging 2.5 miles per kWh driven at moderate speed with a passenger with moderate use of heating and air conditioning works out comparable to the fuel cost of driving a petrol car with fuel costing £1.35, averaging 24mpg. That’s what a V12 engine averages under similar conditions. Most ICE cars cost almost half as much to fuel.

[@djtaylorutube]

Dave's "older Tesla" gets free supercharging so not 69p but 0p. Similar with home charging, which typically constitutes the vast majority of use, averages out nowhere near at 69p, hence way below the cost of an ICE vehicle. Could be an annual cost of less than £180 for 10,000 miles. Anyone buying an EV without home charging and then paying public charging rates for 100% of the time and complaining, should question their ability to research, although some are content even after doing so. The ICE driver continues to pay the public price every fill. There's the difference.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

If we are chasing the pennies like you are claiming to do, let’s do it properly! 1. Home-charging means that the six-hour discounted rate is subsidised by the higher day rate of around 27p or so and the standing charge. My home rate is, as many others’, would be lower. Home-charging also requires the purchase and installation of a fast charger, otherwise the six hours is not enough to fully charge an EV, so the actual charging cost is higher. Am I right? 2. Your calculation of £180 per year presumably assumed a 7p per kWh rate (available for six hours during the night on Octopus’ current offer). I assume the 5% VAT is included and we ignore the fact that your fridge, phone, computer and lights now cost more to run than most of us. You assumed that all your charging would be at the discounted rate. Is this correct? 3. Based on this, according to your calculations, you average over 4 miles per kWh as you are using 2,571 kWh to cover 10k miles at 7p per kWh. This is completely unrealistic, even dishonest. Besides, no recent EV can average that throughout the year, unless it’s a new or very recent EV with depreciation of well over £10k in the first year or so. Don’t you agree? What model are you referring to that averages over 4 miles from a kWh? You should add a five-figure sum to account for the ownership pleasure to save a grand on fuel! 4.An ICE averaging the very achievable 45mpg at £1.35 per litre costs £1,360 to fuel over 10,000 miles per year. Is there any EV that can reliably can cover 10k a year and has depreciation that is only around a thousand pounds a year more than any old ICE vehicle that can average 45mpg and can also reliably cover 10k a year? 5.As an example, a few years ago, I was commuting a lot and I did that in a ten year old supercharged Mercedes C-Class, averaging around 40mpg with dynamic driving, covering almost 50k in 18 months. I bought the car for £2,600 with 154k and sold it for £2k with over 202k miles. Repairs and servicing cost me another £1,100, maybe less, but mostly because of my vanity and updating the alloys with AMG wheels. You cannot do this with an EV. There is absolutely no EV option that can provide affordable motoring with reliability, durability, utility and features.

[@davetakesiton]

I Will answer fully. You ask; am I right? No! Not even close. What sort of idiot makes up their own figurers about a vehicle that they clearly have zero knowledge of and uses them to counter someone who actually has an EV and has driven one for nearly 5 years and ICE cars for nearly 50 years before that? Many viewers ask me why I don't block your pathetic comments and here is that answer. You provide hilarious content to the majority of my viewers. BTW I love the way you even answer your own questions. "No EV can do that .... unless it's new or very recent". Saves me a job. Thanks

[@ComeJesusChrist]

@@davetakesiton You claimed £180 per 10,000 miles, which at the cheapest possible UK rate leads to everything I stated above. Your figures don’t add up, sir, and I question your integrity. EDIT: I did not expect David to respond to a discussion with another person, unless it’s his other account. My correction is that the person responding to me claimed £180 per 10,000. An old Tesla S wouldn’t average that, it hasn’t even crossed my mind to speculate that a person with such claims would refer to Dave’s old Tesla. I explained my points above, but there is dishonesty in these claims or a newer EVs heavy depreciation needs to be accounted for. Is there anyone who can defend the misleading claim of £180 per 10,000? People are deceived and expect honesty from motoring channels. It’s reasonable to expect that any figures provided would be scrutinised.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

_Ah I see you've yet again deleted your earlier comment reposting anew making the same point over and over. Seems you don't like the replies, perhaps facts are not to your liking. So here we go again for a third turn at the wheel._ Duty and indeed carbon credit charge are already included in the electric supply business tariffs that are passed onto the driver via the charging fee, along with VAT. One would know this of course if one looked into the details rather than try to spread anti-EV FUD. With fossil-fuel the duty is paid at the pump by the consumer, not by the energy supplier. Whereas with electricity it's paid by the supplier and passed onto the consumer via the electric tariff. To add additional duties for some uses of electricity but not others will be a complex change that would need significant notification and systemic changes not just to the supplier's systems but to the energy flow systems to account for the additional duties. The modelling by energy and motor industry analysts also highlight the duty cost per unit of electricity vs fuel consumed (kwh vs litre) is not that markedly different. It's just electric cars are more efficient at turning a unit of energy into motion than fossil-fuel vehicles (where a high proportion of the energy, and hence duty paid in such, goes to waste as heat). Also the duty difference is offset by the lower subsidies payed for EV use and renewable energy compared to that required to maintain fossil-fuel production. With the high fossil-fuel subsidies being charged to consumers (incl. drivers) via duties collected at point of payment. These factors taken together with the significantly lower cost of energy production, and lower health related costs means the government saves money in the long run with the transistion to EVs compared to fossil-fuel use, and hence tax revenue targets can be lower for EVs than that of ICEVs. Perhaps rather than duties increasing as you claim the move to EVs may allow for their reduction instead.

[@rosswootton8825]

EVs are not taking over, Ford have just announced massive job cuts because they can’t sell them and lots of other manufacturers are in the same boat. Most people are not going to buy something that is ridiculously expensive to buy and insure, will depreciate like a stone, and is totally impractical, especially if you don’t have your own driveway. I for one will keep my petrol car for years to come.

[@davetakesiton]

Agreed, keep your ice car, I’m not taking it off you and I certainly don’t need your permission to keep my EV, I do have a drive and I will keep it

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

They definitely ARE taking over, check out the year on year growth stats.. the reason Ford and others arent selling is that the uk government has set a % yearly sales figure for evs and its not being met, not that people aren't buying them. In any case now that the cheap chinese evs are getting here the big western car makers, like ford and vw, have been shown up because they havent seen it coming and are now too late. Theyll be wiped out, they must be sh1tt1ng themselves..

[@keithdenton8386]

And his wife will still use her ICE car. He has not said he has got her a EV yet.

[@Sp_75-76]

Ford can’t sell there ICE cars either

[@the_none_believer]

Hello Dave the government is going to carpet bomb that beautiful vista, and every valley top with windmills, solar farms and pylons to supply your electricity for your EV's. Are you happy with the destruction of the countryside for a questionable improvement in the environment ? . Oh and all that construction is done by Diesel powered vehicles as are all the wagons on the road, and will be for the foreseeable future, as electric wagons are not tenable.

[@davetakesiton]

Boy are you out of date you might get a bit nearer to the truth if you look at the JCB website and how many of their models are now powered by electric which is 100% efficient unlike ICE which is 25% what an incredible waste and what an incredible producer of toxic pollution. Proud of that? Ever felt like the world has moved on and left you behind?

[@the_none_believer]

Hydrogen.. very green miles away from mass adoption Dave, and how do we produce enough hydrogen for all our heavy haulage needs. Green hydrogen is exceptionally expensive, and energy intensive to create, and the other hydrogen is not worth talking about as it uses fossil fuels. We just don't have enough green energy capacity to make enough hydrogen not now or for foreseeable future.

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

I love to see all those windmills and solar farms, it makes my heart sing to know how much fossil fuelled crap is being removed!!

[@the_none_believer]

Dave or any EV drivers, can you advise of any EV that can pull a caravan any distance without severely affecting the range. I watched an you tube video on one of the new EV Porsche Tycan that reduced the range to about 100 miles l believe. Will the the adoption of EV mean the end of caravanning? Mind you there will be no beautiful parts of Britain to visit in the next ten years as farmers have to sell their farms due to inheritance tax, and all the cows are replaced by solar farms, and windmills for ner zero. But never mind we will have save the planet...sort of.

[@davidmuir2546]

It certainly won't be the new Macan going by Harry's garage latest video 😂

[@byxf3pdrve]

Wealthy farmers won't have to sell the farm; they just have to pay the tax. Don't believe their sob stories

[@davidmuir2546]

Most farmers are asset rich cash poor so selling machinery won't be good for the farm...they will have to put them into trusts like anyone else would do taking financial advice

[@the_none_believer]

@@byxf3pdrve Take a last look at the countryside as it is, because as the farmers sell up to pay inheritance taxes large businesses will replace cows with solar panels for net zero. The government wants to control your food supply, as it wants to control everything you see, do, eat , drive, fly etc.

[@byxf3pdrve]

@@davidmuir2546 In recent years too many people have bought land just to avoid IHT and they rent it to tenant farmers. That loophole had to be stopped