Tech Talk: Nürburgring, What Tires Do We Use?!?!

[@flyingby3703]

I’d definitely watch three days of pure knowledge about tires.

[@tonycarpaccio9550]

Something about Robert's voice makes me feel like I'm learning something crucial and makes me feel fulfilled, I have no use for this tire knowledge at all but I love it! haha.

[@djremotion2]

Next time you get new tyres to your car, try something bit too expensive, a bit too premium and sporty. You will like it and understand it very fast.

[@umaxi96]

It’s the emotion he carries with his voice 🤣

[@JREwing-lf7kj]

@@djremotion2 yh went from pzeros to ps4s way before saw this vid and it transformed the car completely grip levels were incomparable compared to the pzeros

[@MisTomis]

Robert is the kind of guy you'd spend 3 days in a garage with, discussing rubber, and it wouldn't even feel wrong. Great video once again!

[@Breakchecks]

😂

[@mgcharoudin]

This video is tiring.

[@MugYoda]

Misha Charoudin “shit Misha says”...... “first bad joke of the day”......

[@stobsie]

Agree just seems to keep going around in circles

[@bryanskrantz]

how tired are you?

[@brathahn5176]

Exhausting.

[@behindthen0thing]

Отлично

[@stefanroseEP3]

tyres always look MASSIVE when theyre not on a car lol

[@ThundaAaAaAaAaAh]

Just like my peepee

[@nemanjap8768]

@@ThundaAaAaAaAaAh same

[@nemo247]

considering he is standing and not sitting in the video

[@Sextusheap]

And somehow cars look smaller than in videos

[@clementm6620]

I know right! I was about to write the same thing!

[@alexspitzner]

All the dudes in the background lmao

[@lorenzolm]

Alex Spitzner when they realized they were in the shot😂😂😂

[@KevBoy3D]

They are all ordering more tyres

[@drifterx007]

"We're on KZbin!? Let's pace around to get on camera." 🤣

[@pjay3028]

Tyre pressure information would be super interesting

[@RingMotorsport]

Yes absolutely!!

[@ihsanbilgili6892]

Yes !

[@Driftuner]

Yes!

[@JCGamingProductions]

Yes that would be great!

[@randomtoyotadude8952]

Agree

[@hl236]

KZbin doesn't deserve your informative and straight to the point content. Hats off to you Robert.

[@RobertMitchell]

Haha thx!

[@raphaelgarcia4809]

I've got the NS2R on my GT86. After 2 solid track days and a year plus daily driving it's still got so much left in them. Amazing value for these and are fairly affordable too. Just has lots of road noise though but you can live with that easily.

[@aczech12]

all semi's are loud, I lived with ar-1 in half stripped clio sport 2.0

[@zdeneksimonik2247]

Plese what compound do you drive? There are at least two availible and more coming... Thanks!!!

[@Jonas-hh9fu]

@@aczech12 I daylied my fully stripped c2 rally car with ar1‘s for 2 weeks, I’m glad I never have to do it again 😅

[@aczech12]

@@zdeneksimonik2247 softer is better

[@JosephKotrieMonson]

You know a tyre analysis is OG level when members of N-Sync start strolling around in the background just for the swag.

[@RobertMitchell]

Haha!!

[@NoName-st6zc]

Thanks for showing us what tires you're using across your fleet and especially for the elaboration on each one of them. Very interesting, as usual.

[@RobertMitchell]

You are more than welcome

[@maximillioni]

Robert, i really enjoyed the tyre tech talk and how structured you were able to point out pros and cons. Keep up with these great videos!

[@hjd5973]

The michelins are really durable looking at the performance. Had the same experience with the PS4 from Michelin (the more street than performance oriented version compared to the PS4S). Bought a set in 2018, did 40.000km at least with it, including 3 trackdays. My parents did 60k with a set on their family car. They are a bit more expensive than most other brands, but much more durable than my former experiences (bridgestone/pirelli/vredenstein). Your way of using tyres is very different to most 'normal' people, but it gives a good indication. Great video

[@PolishAlexx]

Michelin's also dry up and age very poorly. Old Michelin's, especially winter tires, gave me the scariest driving experiences ever.

[@blackmac08]

@@PolishAlexx Anglais Totally wrong! You only had to store them in the recommended conditions ...stop generalizing also it's really annoying

[@nYdGeo]

I don't care about how well they keep of stored properly. Alexander is absolutely correct when they are on the car. Due to the pandemic, bad weather, etc.,, we lost or missed most of our local track days over the past year and a half. Most of the miles on my PS4S have been highway miles (to places like The Dragon) along with trips back and forth of the Cherohala Skyway. Halfway through their usable tread life, they are beginning to look dry rotted and cracked. The last set did the same on our other car. This is not at all new. Many of us have heard this from other drivers as well as tire shops. When I ordered the PS4S for my vehicle, the dealer asked how long they'd be on the car and then I think they would last more than 2 years. He said it was because even if they aren't worn out at the 2-year mark, I'll probably need to replace them specifically due to a known issue with Michelin tires, that they don't hold up long term. It's meaningless to me because I never get close to 2 years out of a set of summer tires. But let's please not pretend that shortcomings often exist even among the very best products.

[@carlos64030]

When it comes to tire tech talk, you're the person I'd DEFINITELY listen to and would take advice from on which tires work or don't work very well. I'm extremely surprised you guys use Nankang tires. I've seen that name here in the States, but I've never seen or have ever heard of anyone using that brand. In fact, all of the Nankang tire offerings I've seen advertised here are cheap, normal, all-season, regular commuter car tires. I was surprised to just now learn about those AR1s, which I don't believe are sold here in the U.S. I had no idea Nankang offered track performance tires until seeing this video. Great content, man!

[@cvals1]

A detailed video on the Nankang Ar-1’s would be great as there not a whole lot info on them

[@r129r16pfl]

Direct competitor for AR-1 is a Federal FZ201. Similar sizes and prices Not a lot info on them tho...

[@digisuboob]

ive gone through about 10 sets of ar1s on the track and street great tyre for beating on. they stand up to abuse and put down decent times.

[@digisuboob]

run great on low pressures as well, they are heavy tire but thats probably because of how thick that sidewall is.

[@fromthegods78]

I agree. Its all over the amateur scene with people who sponsor themselves. Definitelly thinking of buying them! Although I might go with the other Nankang thats better in the wet for that extra security because I like to be capable in all conditions.

[@MistressE55]

Second

[@upbeatmantis86]

Do another review that includes , re71rs ad08r/ad09, rt6615k+, hankook rs4 . Thanks

[@1Beko]

@ 5:23 the people in the background made me crack up haha, thank you for this informative video Robert!

[@RobertMitchell]

We thought it’d be fun to show people in reception beging. Kind of shows some life:-)

[@samslinger16]

No drama, No BS, just unadulterated opinion. Getting this kind of content from someone with this much experience is appreciated!

[@hcAsicted]

13:37 video length.🙌

[@petrolhead1977]

I agree, it was too short for real drivers.

[@Chris675R]

I have a GTI TCR with Cup2 in N0 specification mounted from the factory. With lots of weight on the front axle and also lots of torque, I can push the Cup2 pretty fast to its limit, even on public roads. The problem is the soft side wall, which in the N0 spec is even more soft, than the standard one. On the front the outside edge of the tire gets too hot and therefore the tire begins to slide a lot, due to overheating of the compound. You can feel it in the steering, the feedback becomes more laggy and imprecise. I will try the AR-1 next, I think this will be way better, due to the stiffer sidewall.

[@RobertMitchell]

excited to see what you think of the various tires.. be careful there on the road!

[@Chris675R]

@@RobertMitchell I was thinking about the AR-1 before, but your feedback sealed the deal for me. It's exactly what I'm looking for. I'm currently converting the TCR to a ringtool, so the main purpose will be the Racetrack including the Nordschleife. I only go fast on backroads with no traffic, 90% of the time I'm within the traffic laws. By the way, thanks for the in depth review of those tires 👍

[@Chris675R]

@@RobertMitchell I have the AR-1 know fitted on my TCR. It really does benefit from the way stiffer sidewall. The turn in is way sharper and the stability throughout the turn is great. Also the TCR doesn't move as much with the rear on hard breaking compared to the Cup2. The peak grip limit is higher than with the Cup2, but not as much as I aspected, which shows how good the Cup2 really is. But the AR-1 handles heat a lot better and the handling benefits are exactly what I was hoping for. Next step is to see, how the AR-1 performs on the Nordschleife, but after your videos I'm pretty confident, that it does very well 😉

[@ArnoSchmidt70]

I use the PS 4S on both of my cars on the ring (M4 and 991 GTS). Sounds like I do everything right.

[@carenthusiasts625]

Appreciate how you just speak of your mind with just your knowledge & experience. Would love to watch one episode on Suspensions 🙌🏼

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you for the kind words. We can do a suspension one for sure

[@laimislaimigais]

THIS IS PRICELESS INFO! I dug through whole web a few weeks ago and you cannot find comparison of these tires ANYWHERE. If you could test them in dry conditions to also see the difference in seconds that would be massive. Also, like you said. Perhaps you have an opionion on some of the alternatives: 1) Cheap semi slicks: Nankang NS2R in dry vs Westlake Sport RS vs Federal RSRR 2) Nankang AR1 & Sport Cup 2 vs Yoko A048 vs Yoko A050 vs Yoko A052

[@davidsherley2652]

This video is so helpful Robert! Most of us have access to only one car to take to the track (a 964, in my case). The breadth of your experience with frequent laps, in a variety of cars, riding on a variety of tires, under a broad spectrum of track conditions is unique. From your vantage point, your discussions of technical issues are so enlightening. From tires, to suspension (as with the Supra), to the wheel rings of the GR2 MR, hearing what you experience and how you think about it is really a gift to those of us with far more limited experience. Please keep these videos coming.

[@gbgt2]

The PS4S really are superb in the wet. Best road tyres for a performance car here in the UK (where it's always raining!)

[@RobertMitchell]

100-% agree!!!! Love it in the wet

[@kylezink9304]

Thanks Robert, exactly the comparison I was after without bias or Keyboard warrior BS.

[@RobertMitchell]

Glad you enjoyed!!

[@johnturner39]

I'd love to hear: AR1 vs NT01 (grip and wear) NS2R vs RS4 (grip and wear)

[@AB-80X]

We don't have those Nittos here in Europe. But the interesting comparison is the Toyo R888R.

[@decoyla]

ive found ns2r pretty shit in the rain

[@petrolhead1977]

Brillliant video Mr Mitchell, that is a very useful guide. You have convinced me the NS2R is probably the next tyre for my Mk2 Escort.

[@randomtoyotadude8952]

I use them, and lets say.. xcept from noise.. nothing bad to say ;) all good

[@moe125i7]

To be the opposite of a tyre dealer is such a cool thing! Great video and great choice. Love the Michelin 4S. Great as entry or daily driver tyre.

[@RobertMitchell]

It is a wonderful tire

[@whitewalker9622]

Can you please do an updated version of this video again? PLEASE. And what are your thoughts on the direzza III if you have driven it?

[@sejn2587]

I could listen to this for hours! Great video! Driving over from Ireland so I’ll go for the NS 2R. This video genuinely helped me get the right tyre!

[@enricoazzoni2371]

if I am not mistaken I think the michelin pilot sport 4 and 4s derive from the formula e championship the tyres developed for the formula e series were used as the base to develop the michelin pilot sport 4 and 4s for road cars

[@RobertMitchell]

Very well could be! Good info I’ll look this up

[@Ryan3621]

@@RobertMitchell They made the Formula E tyre from the PS4S. Not quite the same, but very similar

[@td8552]

What´s the worst tire you ever used on a sportscar? :)

[@James_Sovereign]

I just fit a set of PS4S to my 996 Turbo and they are fantastic.

[@GTFour]

Do you have any thoughts on the Federal 595RSR?

[@RobertMitchell]

At the moment no but there has been so much requests that I think I’m gonna have to try them

[@trackdayspecialk7946]

Great content and very practical info that's hard to come by elsewhere. I appreciate your unbiased and fair comments, Robert. I have been running the Federal RSR for a number of years both on track and street. I too have experienced the dreaded split across the tire surface, but it never affected the performance - still, it's disconcerting. I have been quite happy with the performance and the durability on longer stints compared to regular P Zeros. However, once the temps get high the drop-off is significant. I run them on my Z4 Coupe with 265hp. They are very reasonable in the wet with acceptable ride comfort and noise on the street. The last set I ran only on the street and it lasted only 20K km due to the 2.5-3.0 deg camber. If I had swapped sides they would have gone 40K easy. They are so cheap though, that I can genuinely recommend them for street and track use. I will swap mine for a set of NS-2R, just to try out something different. Hope this helps someone...

[@GTFour]

Robert Mitchell I like them but I don’t have much to compare to, be interesting to hear your thoughts once you’ve tried them.

[@philiphawkins4684]

Advan Ad08r get a good rating also.

[@hka8972]

How many laps do you can run on the AR1? This is just a hobby and yeah you want to be as fast as possible. But there is also the pricing. The AR1 are reasonable cheap compared to the Dunlops or Michelins but how would you compare them in terms of longevity?

[@RobertMitchell]

What car and how fast? I drive 50-60 laps on the e92 when doing 7:35-40 laps times. On something like the GT86 at 8:20-8:30 I’ll get 80 laps on the ar1. Doing 7:20-7:30 times in the f80 m3 w 4 people in the car 40 laps

[@hka8972]

@@RobertMitchell wow thanks for the detailed information. M346 here, so Im in the middle between E92 and GT86. I did 65 laps so far but in mixed conditions. Thanks!

[@DKBSOB]

@@RobertMitchell thats mega useful info, thankyou. Great content keep it up!

[@samthing4thetrack806]

Across the pond the 4s is known on hot days to give up very dramatically at track days. Interesting about Nankang offerings as I didn't percieve them as being that strong in the market. The Direzza type you have I don't think we get, maybe that one is in the past. I have been at COTA in a set of Trofeo that were a little old and they were no longer viable for the 765LT the owner had after the first day. Another student with fresh ones on a Giulia Quad had a good set of runs with them but limited. I agree on stiff sidewalls and feel. So far after trying, Hankook Z214, F200, I am back to a full slick Pirelli DH, but these are not what you would run on the ring as a business model. The DH is fantastic, the F200 when super fresh as well. I also have some Conti 200TW tires to try in the near future.

[@RobertMitchell]

You’re right the 4s enemy is heat

[@samthing4thetrack806]

@@RobertMitchell thanks for that confirmation. I worry when a student has these on car. New to "track day" drivers should expect to not use them as they gain speed on track.

[@Mk3Smith]

This video was super informative! I actually just drove the Nurburgring for the first time on June 13th 2020 and I loved it! I actually just picked up a set of NS2R’s this week for my car and how you explained it is exactly how I plan on using it. Drive to the ring, have good performance for my skill level and car, and be okay if it does rain 🤘🏼

[@Mk3Smith]

I also subbed to your channel and I’d love to meet you if possible next time we come out to the ring

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank I for the sub and most important congrats on your first ring lap!!!!! Keep on those tires for a bit and later on you’ll look for a semi slick. What car are you running?

[@Mk3Smith]

Robert Mitchell appreciate that man thank you! One of the coolest experiences ever. I’m running my Vr6 swapped mk3 Jetta I brought from Florida. It’s my first car and I got it back in 2011 so it’s quite crazy to now have it here in Germany.

[@djphineart]

My experience is for supercars the homologated tyre (and its super sports option version) are always best for a period of around 3-4 years. Pirelli and Michelin for example stagger the release of their products for a given fit so they don’t directly compete. My F430 was homologated on Pirelli which was the choice until they homologated a newer generation Michelin tyre... i expect soon a new Pirelli will take overs as best solution next cycle.

[@manelpelayo2753]

I have all my family cars with Michelin and in my Clio RS I've always loved the performance of the Pilot Sport. Such a good tire in every weather condition. I would like to try Nankang but I don't know which one would suit me more. I need a tire that performs well in the wet because where I live doesn't matter if it's winter or summer it always rains but I would like it to be good in the dry too

[@LorenzoClara97]

Nankangs semislicks are good in dry but very poor on wet. Ns2r are good for the clio rs but don't expect Michelin performance under the rain

[@Kimofil]

I have a Pilot Sport 4 on my VW CC and this is a fantastic tyres in the dry and in the wet. Really like them👍 Fantastic inside as always, keep this up!

[@fransarj]

By any chance you've used federal RSR/RSRR and where they stack up among these you presented? New face channel btw. Keep it up!

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you!!!! And have fun in the CC:-)

[@RobertMitchell]

I’ve not tried the RSR(R). Not against it tho as so many have asked

[@ej2863]

Channel keeps getting better and better Thanks for the info!

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you!!!!!

[@John_thetrader]

bmw 535d station and im on 245 fr 275 back pilotsport 4s - RWD . And its my 3 set of tiers... they are so good in wet on streets... if you know them well enough you know when they need to be changed... because after 2-3 of wear...wetgrip is much less than new. sooo each winter september i put on new tiers for the year ahead.

[@timburton1080]

Moved my GT3 road car from a CUP2 to a PS4S so it could be used through the winter, great overall but lost a little steering definition around center I felt.

[@RobertMitchell]

Yes there is always a bit of a compromise!

[@AB-80X]

MPS4S in the winter on a GT3? Where do you live? My Lusso came with them, and below 6-7C in slight damp conditions they were dangerous.

[@flyinglow76]

Thank you, Robert. I ordered my PS4S set last week and now feel better about the purchase. Look forward to seeing how they'll improve my track experience.

[@RobertMitchell]

I think you’re going to be pleased w them!

[@MKI4EVA]

Content is getting better by the day Rob.

[@RobertMitchell]

Glad you’re enjoying!!!

[@braxtonwynns3166]

What would your top 3 recommendations be for a Audi R8 V8 manual? Grip + lasting a little bit are my main objectives

[@911aircooled5]

Already commented once on this, but, I have watched it again to learn more. Thanks Spent the day at Australia's best track (subjective maybe?) and newest "The Bend". Tried Mich 4S's and just couldn't get the power down in my GT3 (but in the wet they are Awesome), so now run Dunlop Direaza's (your 2nd in line). They do indeed provide great feed back, but vibrate ALOT above 220. Now home and changed back to 4S and noticed the the wear is hugh (approx 68laps of 5kms). Pressure is at 32 on the rear (30front) but far out they have not lastest well. Will probably only get another 20 laps?? This is probably more for feedback to all as I have found this youtube clip very useful. Thanks Robert.

[@kylefulkerson3360]

I don’t really track my car, but I do have really nice mountain roads that I like to drive plus the car is my daily driver. I think the Michelin PS4S is the perfect tire to use on a daily driver and still be able to have fun when the time comes; plus not having to worry about the rain is a huge plus when you have over 500hp in a RWD car... this was such an excellent video!

[@RobertMitchell]

I think it’s the perfect tire for what you describe as well

[@kylefulkerson3360]

Robert Mitchell yes absolutely! Also, you replied as I was watching Tim’s video with you and the GT2RS, and it was extremely interesting listening to you talk about the car!

[@RobertMitchell]

@@kylefulkerson3360 Awesome, I am glad you enjoyed that vid too! was fun to share with Tim the GT2

[@ChesterHsu]

Any chance that you would talk about AD08R and RE71R?

[@RobertMitchell]

I’d need to try them first I guess

[@ChesterHsu]

Those were popular semi-slicks in Taiwan. BTW you know Nankang is one of the brands from Taiwan?

[@magnus-thome]

AD08R is more of a ultra high performance street tire, one of the best, not semi-slick. Have them on my M2 right now for testing.

[@ChesterHsu]

@@magnus-thome yeah you are right about the Performance category. Sorry for not being specific enough. I'm just genuinely curious about their Performance against NS2R and PS4S.

[@mahmoudminkara]

Now this is what I call, a great tire review. Thx Rob.

[@ericchacone3876]

You definitely need to use the Goodyear supercar 3 & 3R

[@Kmaaq]

Can we get any thoughts on the Toyo R888R? Even in a comment. I switched my 720S from a P zero to a Cup 2 and it was a massive improvement. Now I just switched to the R888R and while it does hook better for straight lines, I hate the way it handles compared to the Cup 2.

[@99Lezard99]

Demons Souls?

[@Kmaaq]

99Lezard99 Yeeep. Excited for the reboot.

[@RacingPhil69]

Nice video. Do you know how the Pilot Super Sport is doing in comparison to the PS4S? There are a lot of 18" sizes the PS4S is not available...

[@RobertMitchell]

It’s a decent tire, but not quite as good. There will also be some new 18 inch size PS4S coming soon;-) If the the SS is the only tire in the size you need, I would say that it’s an OK tire to run for sure. Say on 18s for wet use or daily driver you’ll have fun

[@Mark__A]

If you don't have the PS4S in your size, go for the PS4. I had both. (how ever on heavier cars it can overheat if you doing more laps and not watching the pressure)

[@Ryan3621]

Essentially, the PS4/S range was put in to replace the Super Sport. A lot of the sizes that continue in the PSS will have OE Fitment on something and need to cater to that for a certain time frame.

[@_56mph]

HaHa Robert I see you felt the 'Pressure' to 'Tread' more carefully and not 'Spin' up the trolls. BOOOM! Take that Misha! Mike drop!

[@RobertMitchell]

Lol.

[@gen1c8rs88]

@@RobertMitchell Misha ordered some Nitto NT01 tires from the USA awhile back, what car were they used on and thoughts on the Nitto NT01 tires.

[@MarijnKramer13]

Thnx Robbert, i posted my questions before i finished the video, at the end i had al my questions awnserd!!! So i could remove my questions again. Keep up the good work!!!

[@RobertMitchell]

Haha thx!!!! Glad it answered some questions hope the info can help you out

[@honzakrcil7454]

What would you run for street use on a BMW 320? I really like the informative nature of the videos, no waffle anywhere, straight to the point.

[@dylantk2010]

Which tire is better in regards to sidewall stiffness, grip, durability, and wet driving between the PS4S and P-Zero? I have a M5C that came with the P-zero’s and PS4S on another car and wondering if a difference can be felt between the two tires or if they are equally matched. Thanks for taking your time to make this video and answer questions, they are really informative and useful for noobies like me.

[@RobertMitchell]

I personally think the ps4s is the better of the two. Wet grip is insane

[@michaelried6880]

I have used nitto nto1 in past but run Pirelli 680 full slick now

[@LSs1Power]

I have ran CUP2R, Cup2 and Trofeo R as well as Dunlop Sport Maxx Race 2 on my GT2RS and GT3. In terms of a qualifying lap i rate them in this order, CUP2R, Trofeo R, Dunlop Maxx Race 2 and last Cup2. I do participate in Time Attack runs on long circuits over two days competition and i found out that the best tire still providing me with quickest laps after 15 to 20 laps is the Trofeo R. If Cup2R is 2 seconds faster on the first lap than a Trofeo R on BIC F1 track (around 2:10 laps), by the 5th lap Trofeo R matches it and by the 15th lap the Trofeo R is still going strong dropping around 2-3 seconds from the qualifying lap while the Cup2R see a 3-4 seconds drop so Cup2R ends up slower than a Trofeo R. I noticed the same with Cup2 even it still has alot of material left. I have seen up to 4 seconds drop in performance after 10 laps while the tire still look good. The Maxx Race 2 held better performance over a longer period dropping around 2-3 seconds after 15 laps and held there for a while until it started chunking off from the outer side of the tires even though it has plenty of material in the middle, it seems like it needs more camber than the other tires. In your opinion, how would the Direzza fare against the tires i listed above in absolute qualifying time and after 15laps lap times performance? I ask because it gets too expensive to use two sets of Cup2R for each day to maintain a good level of performance over 4 track configurations. Im looking at a tire that can provide me 1 seconds slower qualifying lap than the Cup2R but maintain that performance longer than the Cup2R 2-3 laps window of absolute speed. Also did you try the Hoosier R7 before?

[@RobertMitchell]

I really think for your use that the Trofeo sounds like it makes the most sense.. where as the Cup2R is faster it just doesn't stay that way for long. I call it sort of a qualifying tire for just that reason. Sounds like youre having some fun!

[@LSs1Power]

Robert Mitchell By the way, Michelin just came up with a new Cup2 connect, they say its 7 seconds faster after 10 laps, so i guess they are trying to solve the quick drop in performance after the first 2-3 laps. Check them out if you can.

[@RobertMitchell]

Feher Alshareif I have a set for the Pista already that I’ll be testing next week:-)

[@LSs1Power]

@@RobertMitchell any news on the Cup2 connect? How does it compare to Cup2?

[@Pyotr_Velikiy]

Another great video! Robert has a black belt in tire knowledge.

[@tylerdowd]

I recently got the PS4S on my 10th gen SI an they've been awesome so far!

[@martinshreder]

Hi Robert, have you tried GoodYear Eagle F1 line of tires? If so Would be great to hear any thoughts on why it did not make the lineup.

[@Mark__A]

Just bought a set of PS4S 19" and now they introduce the 2 weeks quarantine in the UK... 2020 just don't want me on the ring :(

[@RobertMitchell]

So lame!!!

[@Mark__A]

@@RobertMitchell I always saw many UK reg at the car park, even at Apex, and now? They making it almost impossible to go there. Why? I'm am really frustrated about it. My last lap is still the wet one with the Volvo, when I saw you in the Cayman GTS end of last year.

[@behindthen0thing]

Swim across the channel and get over here

[@Mark__A]

@@behindthen0thing That's not the problem. I can go out but when I coming back they lock me down for 2 week...

[@trackdays7625]

Mark Andella Which is somewhat ironic if one considers the situation in most continental European countries (the northern ones except Sweden... ah... screw it, the situation in Germany 🇩🇪) vs. the epidemic situation in the UK 🇬🇧 , though it improved lately...

[@Tomisuperwar]

Curious on knowing a bit more on reliability on these tires! Knowing that, a tire might delaminate on certain (even if because of missuse) scenarios is something scary! I'm really loving this channel and it's content!

[@RobertMitchell]

I can do just that!!! Glad you’re enjoying the vids:-)

[@flatsix666]

A great balance of performance, reliability, wet grip and longevity is carefully dealt with during real world track usage. Excellent info again Robert!

[@nikoyannaros48]

I've watched the video because i'm planning to put the nsr2. Thanks!

[@hl236]

Your video has cemented my decision to get rid of the MPSS on my M140i with an LSD and replace them with a set of MP4S. I live in the and MPSS is the wrong tyre for the weather. Grip is lacking during winter and during the summer the rears take long to get up to temperature unless the tarmac is toasty. They are gloriously grippy when 40-50C but that is a rare occasion in the UK.

[@philiphawkins4684]

Depending where you are in the world you can't get MP4S in 18".. if you can find a Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport that would be a good equivelant. Even Tyre Reviews rated it over the MP4S.

[@davidbrown6193]

Awesome as usual Robert. Very interesting. The 4S has to be one of the greats for road cars with the excellent wet weather ability.

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you for the kind words. Agree. 4S is very versitile

[@autotalon]

I have a set of 235/45/17 PSS's, and they're good tires but for something like autocross or drag, they arent because they take a bit to warm up. Switched over to 245/40/17 Kumho Ecsta v720s and they have vastly more cold grip. I havent got to really push them for an extended period to see how they handle heat, but so far so good.

[@tymelon704]

I'd love to see his take on Yokohama Advan A052's

[@MarkTheVanMan]

That and the AD08RS as well. Probably create some kind of categories, like Robert did with the NS2R saying you could drive to the track, drive on the track, and drive back home. Like make a top3 in each of these categories.

[@tymelon704]

I agree, I have advan A052's. I love them, but obviously I'm not an expert like Robert. There is little review on these tires or the AD08R's

[@m33pr0r]

I really appreciate the nuance here. You're not selling any single tire as "the best", but focusing on tradeoffs between them. One question: If you want to go for a personal record, do you practice on a more durable tire (e.g the cup 2) and then switch to the cup 2 r when you're feeling good about an attempt? Or is the performance delta large enough that subtleties you learn on the cup 2 are thrown out of the window when moving to the cup 2 r?

[@RobertMitchell]

No, they’re different tires. Just go on the cup2r and do it. Generally speaking Anyone doing a record doesn’t need 40 test laps to get there. A handful of laps is enough to get to terms w car and conditions

[@ssandstuff]

This is my new favourite channel on youtube now! Extremely informative and no bs. Robert, can you do a video on rim width and the appropriate width tyre to use on that rim for the widest contact patch, most accurate turn in etc.

[@RobertMitchell]

Great suggestion this is something that we can certainly do!!! and welcome to the channel and thank you for being a part of it

[@ssandstuff]

Robert Mitchell thats awesome! Looking forward to that video. Thank you for making these informative videos.

[@videomaniac108]

I really appreciate your feedback on these tires, especially as I have run two of the tires on my car, a Nissan 370Z sport coupe. My second set of tires on the car was the Michelin PS4S, a great tire in all respects that got fantastic tread life. The only drawback for me was the soft sidewalls, which led to less precise steering, a more vague feeling in the steering and poorer steering response. My current set is the Michelin PS Cup 2(240). This tire handles much better than the 4S and the only drawback may be the tread life. If its lifespan is unacceptably short, I may try the Dunlop Direzza. One reason I like the Michelins so much is because of their lightness, leading to lower unsprung mass. This may be because of their use of Nylon and Aramid fiber in the belts instead of steel.

[@NoahBB]

Robert, if you begin making videos again, it would be interesting to know if your tire choices have changed since Jun 2020. Quite a few new interesting tires have been released in the last year or so.

[@ahzmaster2676]

Have you guys ever thought about using Toyo R888R

[@RobertMitchell]

Have used in a long time ago but it’s been a while and I would need to make a new comparison tbh

[@dubbernut2747]

Got a set of PS4S in the garage waiting to be swapped from my winters(still on from Covid) on my M135i. Great tyres for British roads and weather.

[@vollcare4076]

PS4S in 235/40 18“ ?

[@davidtheking341]

Michelin Pilot Sport best tyre I used so far, but damn expensive. I also switched from a 17" 35 to a 16" 45 which impacted the ride comfort very much

[@tunctoker856]

Is there a 8 hour version of this video? Love it - all about tires...

[@Blasterxp]

But price in same size? Pilot super sport on my mx5 was awesome. Fully agree.

[@RobertMitchell]

Nice light weight cars are so adaptable to different tires too

[@fransarj]

The NS2R has multiple treadwear options. Which one are you using? 180 street /120 track / 100/80 race?

[@stevenmishos]

Here 3 years later and asking for an update please.

[@marcink1755]

Thanks for this. It helped me settle on Cup2 when I was chasing 'Ring lap times on my M2. It worked in the wet, though I would say it's still edgy, and was able to get me to 7:52 BTG lap, and 7:47 pace. Thanks for this, good video! Definitely happy with that.

[@JerainJezza]

AD08R is also a great tyre!

[@RobertMitchell]

I’ve heard lots of positive

[@ccar1332]

Brilliant review! I will look for the AR-1 now. I am using RE71R as they are a good deal from Costco in Canada, and are almost acceptable in the wet and great in the dry on the track. I found I didn't get huge life out of the PSS4s and they were no where near as grippy as the RE71R, despite having great wet characteristics (although not as good as the Continental ContiforceContact, which were the best in the wet bar none, but hopeless on a dry track when compared to the RE71R).

[@RobertMitchell]

Good info! Excited to see what you think of The ar1

[@alesberce]

Great review @RobertMitchell ! How would the 2 Yokohamas ( AO52 and especially the new Neova AD09) compare with the above ? Also - are the Direzza road legal in Europe ? Found a bit of conflicting information about that.

[@charliedillon6319]

Can confirm going from ns2r to the ar1 the dry grip and feel was very noticeable with the wet grip being massively different. Safe to say it causes alot of squeaky bum moments. So the errrrrr for the ar1 when it comes to the wet is more of a no from me. Your not gonna die but your also not getting anywhere quick. I found the same for the cup 2 as well but not as bad as the ar1. Weather it just the gt3rs being stiffer and pritty cold wet conditions it was not enjoyable at all.

[@ironingbored]

Thank you for this, it was great to hear your thoughts on the PS4S compared to the NS2R. Both tyres I've run before (on road), and to be honest the NS2R was a lot more fun (if noisy >.< ). I'll be buying another set of NS2R again.

[@michaelried6880]

I wish they still made original sport cup Michelin. Was a great tire that was great grip and lasted

[@nYdGeo]

I have a question that you may or may not feel comfortable asking, so I understand and appreciate your decision. I drive a Honda Civic Type R FK8 that weighs in around 3100 lbs./1406 kg. I'm sure that you are somewhat familiar with the car even if you do not use them. My car is lowered about 1 in./25.4 mm. and the K-Tuned springs are modestly stiffer. Otherwise I am running the stock suspension and it handles extremely well on 265/40ZR18 PS4's on track. I have another set of rims and would like to fit them with some 265/35ZR18 tires for track use only. However, in speaking with other folks at the track, they've warned about putting too sticky a tire on it as it can overpower the suspension, which makes perfect sense. Would you have a recommendation among the tires you use, other than the PS4s of course, that could improve traction on track without overpowering the suspension on the FK8 using the R+ mode? I'm certain that I could use the NS2R, but am curious about the AR1, whether is may overpower the suspension on a dry track. Thank you for your time and have a great day!

[@pavelbarton4653]

Hey Robert, very good and informative video, but what about well known Federal 595 RS-R? Any experience? I'm looking for a decent track tire for my Fiesta ST150, and the 595 RS-R and NS2R are my favorites.. I don't need top performance but want them to last for a lot of laps and withstand lap after lap after lap.. I'm not doing Nordschleife only but also some small tracks and GP tracks.. Thanks and have a nice day :-)

[@boblast5582]

AR-1 really gets an "eh" for rain and not a flat out no? tread (or lack thereof) pattern really doesn't look rain friendly. And what’s the model name of the Dunlop tire? Do you know if it’s sold in the US?

[@RobertMitchell]

Dunlop is a Direzza. We’ve done many laps on AR1 in the wet and you can make them fun:-)

[@boblast5582]

Robert Mitchell oh come on man, the “Direzza” is like 27 different tires...

[@nik3782]

@@boblast5582 Direzza 03G

[@DBatty]

I’d love to hear your thoughts on the Yokohama A050 if you ever get a chance. It’s the tyre of choice for serious track cars in Australia. The AR1 is almost half the price and surprisingly just as fast, so it has become an amazing budget option. Keep up the excellent work, your knowledge and experiences are very helpful.

[@jdmspacebuggy]

Does the higher grip of those track tyres takes away progressiveness when the limit are reached? I do enjoy the car moving around a little and one thing that's stopping me from getting cup 2 are if they are snappier when they goes.

[@RobertMitchell]

The grippy compound doesn’t so much imo but the stiffer sidewalls can!

[@magnus-thome]

The CUP2 are snappy when cold. Which they can be when you drive on the street on colder days.

[@rcidremoreno]

I have Nankang NS-2R 155/65r13 on my 1997 Fiat Cinquecento Sporting and are fantastic. Only 300km's on them.

[@rickyho2140]

Did Nankang update their 17"+ sizes AR1 due to feedback from Apex sometime last year? I heard they had reinforced their sidewalls due to comments from people running them at high speed high load. At the same time the pricing of them jumped up after this update, at least in Canada.

[@RobertMitchell]

We’ve been working very close w them on testing and development. Some really cool things Coming from them even still:-)

[@philiphawkins4684]

Have you tried the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport, direct comp to the MP4S, Tyre Reviews rate it highly and said between the two there's not much in it.

[@RobertMitchell]

I have not but wouldn’t be aGainst trying them

[@jenea340]

Tell please Trofeo R need to heat for having grip?

[@rbm4163]

Hi Robert, I'm running the PS4s on my F56 JCW and it's a fine tire. I've experienced aquaplaning at 115mph which surprised me. Have you or anyone else reading the comments had similar experiences? 215/45/17s, 7.5x17 wheels, stock tire pressures.

[@RobertMitchell]

No I cannot say we have. We’re the tires older? Was it on highway or a track. 115mph is not too surprising of a speed to see Aquaplaning tho hehe

[@rbm4163]

The tires are pretty new, March install. It happened on the track. I backed off to 95mph and it was fine. I guess that maybe the limit for the setup I have.

[@newb529]

Toyo R888R? For daily at least they're great on my car but I do not do any road course