I tested cheap hall effect keyboards (and found a gem)

[@_megazz]

I have the Magger 68 HE and just like yours, the software was pretty buggy UNTIL I updated the firmware to the latest version, now it works without issues (even with SOCD).

[@MakeSh00t]

SOCD is cheat so in lan u can not use it..

[@orionizaqt]

For anyone wanting a premium feeling HE keyboard that nearly as good as Wooting but significantly, I highly recommend any of the Nuphy options (Air65/75, Halo65 and Field75) or the Keychron K2 HE. The Nuphy ones are great for primarily gaming, but the Air65/75 are low profile and the Field75 is definitely a strange layout and maybe.. an aquired taste lol. The Keychron K2 HE is the king of value at $130-$140 with the only major downside being Keychrons long and expensive shipping. Youll likely have to contact support to get them to ship after a couple days like they're supposed to do, but man its worth it... The K2 HE with a wrist rest and coiled aviatior cable plus ~$15 shipping to the US will run you around $200, possiblely less vs a Wooting with similar options being closer to $300 with a full plastic case. Wooting has 10/10 software, but both Nuphy and Keychron have at least 9/10 software and much better value. Keychron's isn't very good for modding with limited switch options, but it's amazing out of the box and easily the best sounding HE keeb I've ever heard. Two best value options rn imo

[@PaulBlartGaming]

Field 75 is better performance than wooting.

[@1TechCritic420]

@@PaulBlartGamingNo it isn’t.

[@Whiteshade]

If you buy nuphy, be sure to remove battery since there is too many report of exploding.

[@GurksTheGamer]

@1TechCritic420 It did until the Wooting 80HE beat it with Tachyon mode enabled

[@PaulBlartGaming]

@@GurksTheGamer i didnt see if the results were with tachyon mode. Looks like the wooting 80he has better single key press latency but worse key release latency.

[@Migss]

Amazing video and latency tests! :D

[@ajeb7207]

Hey migss, i watched your video before buying the mad 60 he. Thank you. It is very good!

[@mchose_official]

Thank you for your incredible review! 🥰We're honored to have your endorsement. 🙌Your review has greatly boosted us, and we can't thank you enough. 😘And your expertise and passion shine through, and we're grateful for your kind words. 👏Have a nice day~

[@pablomorado5578]

Take the opportunity for an international giveaway !

[@BigLarry101]

are you guys gonna have a firmware update for the socd?

[@cyclxne6]

@@BigLarry101 i think they already have bc i dont have problems with it rn either way you could 100% just use socd cleaner to get socd on any board

[@illustrious420]

FYI the mchose ace 60 pro in SEA/china market is like 21$(the base version is like 13$), kinda show how over price wooting plastic keyboard are, not to mention the bridge 75 he for 100$, which is a full metal keyboard(full metal keyboard at a price lower than that exist for a long time, they just increase the price by 10-20$ for the he version, which is what it should be, rather than like 170$ for a very plasticky he keyboard with bad stab and bad sound like some brand).

[@ryanolsen294]

People do say Wooting is worth it. I’ve never heard of anyone having issues or bugs, plus the software looks much cleaner than others. Maybe one of two keyboards are reasonable for gaming. It depends what you want

[@sagirem]

Wooting has the best software and the best macro extension, its customer service is also miles above anyone else. They also personally care for their production line and don’t just use the generic one. It’s like buying meat directly from the local farmer who raised his cow naturally and then saying it’s overpriced because you’re used to processed meat imported from the other side of the world 😂

[@illustrious420]

@sagirem mate, I'm from the other side of the world, so your local farmer are some overseas dude that buy stuff from our local farmer, develope a software then charge 10x the price for it(I studied CS and holy shit that's a mark up for some software). Also your local farmer take so long to ship back here, and not to mention the sale tax and import tax not include in their price, while product from our local farmer did.

[@ahkaay9419]

@sagirem bro wooting is the one using processed meat in your example lmao

[@noobienoob8977]

the base version of the ace60 is $13 in china and the pro (ice blue switches) is $21.

[@maozedowner5915]

Just wanted to say that Dareu very recently released their version of HE keyboard, called A75HE, it comes with ceramic keycaps, and it sounds damn near as good as regular custom mechanical keyboards.

[@TheRedMarauder]

Arbiter has a 60% on Amazon I switched from the Drunk Deer board. Lubed switches out of the box with lubed stabilizers. Worth every penny.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

I am amazed at how fast HE keyboards went down in price.

[@1ayylmao250]

wooting has always been overpriced. they were never suppose to cost that much

[@GurksTheGamer]

That's the power of competition

[@兩人行必有我濕焉]

Because of chyna workers, and worse hall censor usage. The best strategy to lower the price is reduce the workers ' wage.

[@ZeBear]

Great video! But one thing that you could test in the future is latency when a few keys are held down and a new key is pressed. This is the area where the biggest difference will show. I'd be willing to bet some of these keyboards would show up 50-100+ms latency in this use case. In 2022 i tested 2 cheap aliexpress HE keyboards from a friend and they both had this issues, even older wooting keyboards will show a few ms more latency in this test. These newer boards might not have this issue but no one is testing for it so we can't know.

[@bapy_s2k_]

u missed mad 60 he

[@Wyn3e]

Firmware can brick itself and not actual 8k and it’s just plagiarism

[@Fatdog-f8e]

@@Wyn3eidk about the firmware but 8 k is not important

[@Chewlabs]

@@Wyn3e I tested my Madlions MAD 68 R using keyboard inspector just like techless used in this video and it shows true 8k polling rate. Not sure about MAD 60HE tho but they are both from Madlions.

[@dopeliciousphoto-b3c]

@@Wyn3e id happily pay for plagiarism

[@erisium6988]

@@Wyn3e fuck wooting for their prices, its not like finalmouse that gives you good materials etc, they charge for quality of 20euro keyboard literally 10 times the price.

[@RomansVRC]

Dunno if your planning on doing one of these video's with full sized keyboards? that would be sweet!! us 100%-ers need some love!

[@frostyiv1509]

there are not so many 100% hr keebs, one that come to my mind is from wooting but it's expensive😅

[@prorex2470]

Yee gl finding 100% keyboards The trend is either 60%-68% Or u can find 75% keyboards

[@Yasha_U]

I just want to say thanks for reviewing these! but I think the names of keyboard at around 5:01 and 4:48 shouldn't be written in white.. i didnt notice them the first time around..

[@rsrsrsrsrs618]

Just so you know: The DrunkDeer SOCD feature "Last Win" is bugged. It gets stuck in one direction after a while making it inconvenient in the worst times. I gave it a try multiple times but in the end I turned it off as it was too annoying. I'm waiting for them to fix it. They introduced SOCD in August but it has been bugged since.

[@shock1587]

Awesome quality of tests, keep up the pace! We are waiting for MAD60 and FUN60 tests from Monsgeek, as they are the most budget ones

[@PhoenixKeebs]

Nuphy doesn't list the Halo65/field75 HE as having true 8k polling. They list the scan rate as 3500hz. The Air HE series is listed as having true 8k polling rate. Both the polling and scan rate are listed as 8K.

[@GurksTheGamer]

I'm skeptical about the latency test result for the Nuphy. I've seen other videos saying it is much faster than the result he showed.

[@juliusmanalo9645]

How you leave out the Mad60HE? Literally a CLONE of the wooting

[@413fps]

mad60he even sounds x10 better than wooting and have better tuned stabs. But he prob wasn't aware of it when recorded this vid

[@ssrb0101]

he probably left it out on purpose

[@jasondinh5217]

Where’s the mad60he

[@GalxyZay]

Its garbage

[@lickriu]

@@GalxyZay whats wrong with it?

[@ohweII]

@@lickriuits not bad at all

[@anhun9012]

It's not here for moral reasons

[@zero__i7796]

@@lickriu its a complete knockoff of the wooting 60HE. Like they are pretty much the exact same except for the fact that wooting is better, not a knockoff and has better features.

[@Triannosaurus]

I just got my magger 68 yesterday I’m really loving it. I was running into the same issues until I updated the firmware and software, good thing they are going to transition into full website for their software. Changing the keycaps to nicer double shot key caps really made the board sound better too.

[@SofaKingA]

The magger68 looks the nicest imo

[@Anonymou0726]

What you think of the ace 68 ? He is supposed to have a lower latency and better switches

[@Haru_no_ki]

For 200 euros I got a full aluminium he keeb, tkl with metal knob, a really good web soft and sounds really good out of the box. Keychron Q3 HE. Wooting is as overpriced as big brands like Asus and Razer

[@ecid1008]

i have the fire68 and the wooting 80he and both are really nice , i can't tell any difference for performance between those two. Apart from sounding different. I actually think that around the 100 bucks should be the wootings price specially the 60he. conclusion is that you absoluttely don't need to pay over 100$ for a top tier performance HE keyboard

[@S4N1T03T3R]

Beware of high polling rate mice! I don’t think this is an issue for high polling rate keyboards, but for certain CPU dependent games like Star Citizen, or Escape From Tarkov i stumbled upon stutters at mouse movement when using 4k polling on my Ninjutso Sora 4k. Even with my 5800X3D. I don’t know if all high polling mice are affected, but this is clearly something that needs to be tested

[@noobienoob8977]

just reduce the polling rate if you have issues

[@S4N1T03T3R]

@ That’s what i did and why i know that the issue was the 4k polling rate. Just know that you shouldn’t decide on a mouse only for the 4k/8k polling rate

[@Fatdog-f8e]

I have th sora v2 and it causes Fortnite to lag My pc has a i7 10 gen ans 5500 txt so it not ,y oc

[@erisium6988]

i use 8khz no problem, the issue is your horrible cpu, you cant use 0,125ms polling on chiplet cpu that doesnt even run at 5ghz with horrible ram and core to core latency, like at beast you use 3800cl14 and i doubt that. Thats the issue, your cpu is way too laggy for that kind of hardware. Sadly amd and tech tubers lied to you, you got sold server cpu that is made from CCD's that was too slow to be even 5800x that why its lower clockspeed, and they just slapped cache to make it fast in benchmarks, thats why your UE4/5 games stutter, because cache ends. Next time realize that its cheap for a reason.

[@bekzatkambar9344]

Not every game supports high polling rates

[@Klar]

The problem with most other brands than wooting is that they don't support (or at least I haven't been able to find ones that do) German ISO layout. My ass is NOT using an ANSI keyboard man

[@Hobanaka]

Keychron q1 he available in DE ISO

[@ollie6846]

can I ask why? I live in UK and have used ISO most my life but honestly prefer ansi

[@Klar]

@ollie6846 big enter, more keys and just the de layout itself

[@erisium6988]

@@Klar i am from EU too but man ANSI is superior, fuck that horrible enter.

[@Klar]

@@erisium6988 to each their own

[@Devinarde]

I have a Magger 68 HE Pro and all you have to do is update the firmware and software to get it to work. SOCD and other functions work flawlessly.

[@Eins.1]

finally proper testing of budget HE boards

[@zilents6896]

@techless Your SOCD problem on the Ace60Pro happens when swapping profiles, I've been on the same profile since I got the keyboard and have never had socd swap binds, that only happened to me when I swapped profiles back and forth, so I stopped using 2 profiles and stuck to 1.

[@gephyrro]

I was thinking about picking up the halo65 he and was waiting for an actual decent reviewer to cover it. Thanks!

[@arctic_void]

Here's some extra ones to consider. Boog75/zoom75, bridge75 he and the made68. I've been looking for a good aluminum he kb that looks good and isn't too clacky, but I really can't decide.

[@brgadoinks]

The issue you mentioned on the Magger68 was already fixed a month ago. Nice review btw.

[@Crihnoss]

Are there any recommendabler 100% HE keyboards out there? proferebly on in the quiet side. I don't like overly clicky KB

[@ganhongxu8167]

There's a new keyboard in the market called Aula Win60 HE (same brand as the popular Aula F75), its the cheapest priced he keyboard now at 79 yuan and comes with 8k polling rate and rgb lighting by default, I got it for like $6.50 at taobao after stacking some vouchers, which is crazy to think that the price of a Subway footlong can get you a HE keyboard.

[@1TechCritic420]

8k polling rate is nonsense. Complete marketing garbage. Not needed whatsoever

[@erisium6988]

Amazing vid, love to see polling, latency and rapid triger quality tests, i would love to see mad68 test, its wooting ripoff but its 68% that is very big deal, i heard mixed opinions about their latency tho

[@CrazySerb]

Probably a lot of people will claim that these "cheap" products are faking their pooling rate and it is not actually real like their overpriced favorite brand...

[@dzrk]

got myself the NuPhy Halo65 HE, can't wait to test an HE keyboard

[@TheRedMarauder]

Mchose makes very very good products based on shapes for mice even on the market. A5 is a smaller GPX. They have a 3950 sensor version of the G305. Their L7 mouse is one of my main mice I use with 2k polling. Id definitely say trying Mchose products is worth it and their on Amazon.

[@GurksTheGamer]

I'm skeptical about the latency test results for the Nuphy. I've seen other videos saying it is much faster than the result he showed.

[@1tzelG_]

DAMN, I JUST BUYED TWO AJAZZ KEYBOARDS:( i buyed the AK820 MAX HE 8K wired and doesn't gived me the 8K Polling Rate (it seems to be scan rate at 125Hz but i still have the keyboard waiting for a buyer) and i will keep the AK820 Max HE Wireless Tri Mode with OLED screen version. i need a 75% keyboard. some reccomendations please? any tips to configure it?

[@sa17dk]

very well informed and thorough review

[@savp2293]

Mchose would be a good option if you didn't have to pay just as much as the keyboard in shipping costs which makes it cost just as much as the nuphy (btw I live in Australia, shipping to other countries might be cheaper). So yeah, nuphy all the way for me, I'm planning on getting the air 75 he because it has 8k pcb scan rate compared to the 2.5k scan rate of the halo65 he and field75 he.

[@druery.]

im planning on getting nuphy’s low profile air60 he keyboard, never had a low profile keyboard let alone a he keyboard, im so excited to try it out

[@agsechogd6406]

You should’ve tested the sikakeyb hm80, apparently it’s even faster than the 80he.

[@abika2324]

Does KTEK Magnetic Switch offer the same performance? in MCHOSE Ace 60 pro

[@CarlitoMartiniana]

You're doing a fantastic job! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?

[@nograsstotouch]

whats the front height of ace60? if only the ace60 has the same case as mad60, i would prolly buy it in a heartbeat, but front height is crazy important for comfortability which makes me consider the mad60 even tho it's not true 8k.

[@clairvoyance7424]

try the atk edge60 he exploration edition keyboard, i think it have the lowest latency

[@jawadtasnim3969]

hello there techless and others, i have a quick question : so i live in EU and was looking for a 1440p monitor for around 200€, so here are a few options i found: KTC H27T22 (190€) KTC Q24TO9 (180€) AOC Q27G4XF (190€) AOC 27G2ZNE/BK (170€) MSI MAG 274QRF-QD E2 (180€) NOTE: this one here is refurbished, but it's the best one among the list, it has the QD technology so it's better for Color work as i make websites, and the site says that it's in excellent conditions having no scratches and exactly like new. but I'm a bit sceptical about it because it's used. so I'd like to ask which monitor should i get? I'm open to other suggestions too

[@Noah765]

I have the AKKO MOD 007B HE PC and it‘s gorgeous 😊

[@screaminsilence81]

does the mchose have a 75% layout version aswell? XD

[@davidavidlulx654]

They launched a 68

[@shinobee771]

I wish the mchose was case swappable, I ended up going with the Mad60He I needed a board I could case swap and use my Geon Raw swithches with.

[@dexxter0448]

And about the ajazz brand? which has also released a 68% keyboard and another 75% wireless

[@kingmoonflower6975]

what website do you use to test the polling rate? i just got a battle68 and want to test it]

[@mattdoespushups2350]

Yo forgot madlions mad 60 he . It is the only one available in my region with no so much exhorbant prices . Can u do a review on it too.

[@Juantexe]

Any decent keyboard in Temu?

[@Knight_with_gun]

Beim Tippen hast du ein Brett worauf du deine Handgelenke liegen hast, wie heißt dieses was du hast ?

[@ArdaSReal]

gibt viele kannst nach wrist rest suchen

[@behoon]

Thats why I never recommend Wooting anymore to my friends in ASIA, we got a lot more variety of HE keyboards here. I usually got 3 different recommendation if people ask me what HE keeb should they buy, 1. Mchose Ace 60 Pro 2. Nuphy Halo65 HE 3. Venom 60HE/80HE. Ace60Pro usually I give recommendation for budget HE Keeb, Halo65HE usually for people who wanna buy Wooting so i give them that and they always like it. And for Venom 60HE/80HE PCB is for people who want more than Wooting and want more customizability.

[@GurksTheGamer]

Wooting also upcharges people who want to add options. Despite all of this, a lot of KZbinrs still glaze them.

[@Tx1Hs]

You are a life saver this video could be a banger with the Irok Nd63

[@pncx9872]

not sure about these latency tests. there was a chinese reviewer that had halo65 he and ace60 pro under 1ms latency

[@user-je7fh1oq9f]

To be able to indicate bugs, you need to put in countless of hours. I really appreciate that.

[@dreadwolf11]

what software was used for the latency test?

[@garethperks7032]

The Wooting “Lekker” looked familiar. I didn’t realize the Dutch used that word. Or “lecker” if you’re Deutsch. 😊 It’s used quite liberally here in South Africa, with variations in the meaning.

[@OverPrint288]

why didnt you use the al66?

[@mentalmotivation4you]

You missed one hell of a GEM! I urge everyone to go take a look at the Keychron K2 HE!!!! It's a new release from Keychron, it's using their great web based software and has all the snappy tappy features that wooting has! And guess what it's wireless!!!!! All of this for 130 USD, for another 10 dollars you get the special edition with wooden side panels and a semi metal frame! Plus the switches are thock as hell. I ordered a white one for my girlfriend and a black one for me, should come in a couple days. And a tip for when you buy one check the palm rests they have a really cool black resin one that fits this keyboard. Merry Christmas everyone! 🎅

[@nagyteso2976]

In his previous video, he covered the K2 HE.

[@mentalmotivation4you]

@nagyteso2976 ah, thanks. I didn't know I'll go check it out! Merry Xmas!

[@GurksTheGamer]

I pre-ordered that keyboard and then canceled my order after ear adpoters reported issues hardware issues Keychron did not address publicly. I'm going to wait for a 75% version of the Nuphy Halo65 HE instead.

[@nagyteso2976]

@@GurksTheGamer As far as I know there were indeed some problems with some of the early boards. They stopped shipping keyboards for a few weeks because of this. However, Keychron have addressed the issue and made a statement about this on the project's Kickstarter page. But yes, their reaction was not really the fastest. In Kickstarter update #7 you can read about this. Edit: The udpdate can only be read by the backers of the project.

[@GurksTheGamer]

@@nagyteso2976 I'm still going to wait for a Nuphy Halo 75 HE

[@marcoathkeeper8539]

Hoping you could test Aula Tarantula Win60 or Win68 MAX. It sounds almost thocky but not clacky. The software is good also.

[@TetraShot]

Weird. I have the yunzii RT80 and the rapid trigger doesn't have the limitation the rt75 does.

[@sunsh9n0]

Opinion on VGN A75

[@handzze7341]

Obsolete

[@cavetsephel8581]

can you do wireless HE keyboards next month?

[@eastcoasthandle]

Liked the video. However, the formatting of it made it difficult for me to find the latency charts. I had to scrub the timeline in order to find the final latency chart. I would have thought that was at the end of the video but it's mid way. Suggestion: Chapters. Thx

[@mats1563]

extrem informativ und unterhaltsam. Bitte weiter so!

[@memegod6401]

ROG Falchion Ace HFX 65% gaming keyboard with ROG HFX magnetic switches, rapid trigger toggle, 8000 Hz polling rate test that

[@Nong-t41]

can we mod the ace 60 pro? what kind of pin they have for the switches?

[@acrylix3073]

Which one is the "gem"?

[@yusufates6523]

Hi techless DELL G2727D or ROG STRİX G27ACS who best ?

[@jarmago7750]

This is very helpful for most of us gamers because we cannot afford to buy a wooting keyboard. Thank you, brother!

[@GurksTheGamer]

To be fair, it’s quite overpriced, even if it’s within your budget.

[@iArctis]

try the madlions keyboard wooting copy

[@spacejambluray2591]

Sick video man nice

[@abijeetrs6522]

M-chose or McHose ?

[@yajimi-c9k]

Mchose

[@ignatovski04]

Hi Techless! Can you please make a video of the monitor Samsung G4 240hz? I need in depth review becauase i get 160 fps in most of the games.

[@shinefake48]

Too bad I only got the ATK RS7 pro, but I assume it performs just like the ATK 68 since they are from the same company

[@Tanqqq]

Is there any good response keyboards under 100 USD viq 2.4ghz wireless? Minimim 75%

[@N0N0111]

The pig cable grinds my gears!

[@llywuh]

What about the Madlions Neon68 pro?

[@junyaiwase]

Ignoring the madlions 60he is crazy work

[@nimmy404]

Please try the nd63 pro, it's really good for me imo

[@jammies701]

Nice vid mate

[@zurchero]

I was hoping to see the [AJAZZ AK820 MAX HE]

[@prthsingh11]

Show how u tested the latency otherwise its not valid.

[@4eremuha]

Thank you!

[@khaloof.m]

no mad68he ? damn

[@lulkaku]

shout out to valve for making it so I don't have to worry if a keyboard has good SOCD.

[@mprimante1337]

Any ISO options?

[@versepk3103]

what about mad 60he ???

[@Amp_Edition]

I was going with a drunkdeer and after tax it was only $30 cheaper, I said screw it and went with wooting 80, no regrets, long warranty that the others don’t offer and the best software! Wooting is the Mercedes Benz of keyboards and all others are impersonators.

[@clairvoyance7424]

come on give us wooting 60he++ vs ace pro 60

test the boyi 66 pro its also a cheap hall effect keyboard

[@Zimzim-v2x]

I was thinking to ask the same, honestly! Do you use one, if so, are you happy with it?

@@Zimzim-v2x yeah i have one and its insanly good for the price. it has rapid trigger and SOCD and also has a volume knob that other gaming keyboards dont have. it sounds good but a bit clacky

[@Zimzim-v2x]

Thnx for your quick reply, man! For that price, I'm not sure what is better than the Boyi 66 pro! I never had a mechanical keyboard...

[@danips9053]

I have adhd, whats the gem?

[@davidavidlulx654]

Ace60 pro

[@imnotwhitebutimwhite]

I have tried HE keyboard and they don't even help me with anything related to FPS and MOBA games, I guess playing those games for a long time has really helped my muscle memory that HE keyboards don't even have a significant help on me. I would rather spend my money on a custom keyboard than a Wooting or any HE.

[@Hepazpab]

Also try red dragon keyboard

[@pyrolistical]

Those who want a cheaper wooting 80 wouldn’t get any of these keyboards. They are all missing the function row. Should have included nuphy field 75 he

[@davidavidlulx654]

Literally whats the point of function keys. I always use FN LOCK anyway.

[@tr4dy204]

none of them has the deutsch layout that's the only problem

[@abijeetrs6522]

Next US ban Chinese Keyboards for keyloggers 😂

[@techlessYT]

😲

[@goldy_on_pc930]

Wooting just being greedy selling a 3 yr old keen for 300$ ws setup and rnd costs are already recovered by now

[@rockyyz89]

and none of them have a qwertz layout