Replacing X-13 Blower Motor in ICP Air Handler

[@TheWoodman064]

From the simplest to the most complex repairs we always enjoy watching you!

[@vladekvladinov5753]

Thanks for the full extra mile video. Your one of top my favorites Hvac channels.

[@krusejonathan01]

That unit is so clean! Looks like new.

[@JohnLeite-cv7kg]

Having an intermittent issue with the air handler. The thermostat kicks on and the compressor and handler turn on and air starts blowing from the vents. The blower motor will stop for a few seconds and then start again. Sometimes it does it once or twice and sometimes not all. Ultimately, it completes the cycle and the thermostat shuts off. I had a reliable tech come and take a look and, of course, the system ran without any issues. He verified that the thermostat is fine and believes that it is most likely the ECM control module. He said to let the system run as is as there's nothing wrong with it. He did show me how to replace the module and it does look very easy. Just wondering what your thoughts might be on this. Thanks.

[@yettielusive3370]

The ICP units are nice...they look good, well built, and reasonably priced. Great video Pro ICP HVAC

[@opentopublichvacschool]

Not as bad as a Chinese made Goodman at least.

[@cthomaspac]

I feel your pain with those motor bands , and arms. You would think by now they would just make it a one piece design.

[@DanielHernandez-tp2tm]

Down here in Texas we call'em "dog ears".

[@ICONBADGTA]

They sell those whole band units in 3 and 4 leg.. Mars brand i believe through R.E Michel....

[@opentopublichvacschool]

@@DanielHernandez-tp2tm Here in Texas we call them a motor bracket.

[@TraceElements-ti5ke]

Pleasure to watch a patient professional work

[@peteanto6219]

Love watching all your videos. They are very well explained and don't mind the critics and internet cops. Keep up the good work!

[@garyoconnordbaairrepair7775]

The first indoor fan motor that I replaced this year was on the roof. The next one was on a flat surface. That made it a lot faster.

[@BryanGullickson]

wow not only is the outside unit quiet so is the air handler thats nice

[@bboyette1017]

Higher the seer the quiter it gets

[@AndrewFremantle]

As a DIYer having just replaced an X13 in my Carrier furnace, I'm laughing my ass off at how you're fighting that finicky belly-band mount! That stupid thing caused me *so* much grief.

[@hozerhvac4406]

Great work Gunslinger, first time I have ever seen those motors. Thanks for sharing

[@missionairkevingrider1869]

I like real-time Ted! I'd like to see more of this type. I enjoy and learn from your videos. Thanks, Brother. P.S. I'm in Indiana but my wife is from Greenville...family is there...visit fairly often...love the area!

[@chuckquinn8026]

Sweet! Nice and easy with good access. Just wondering when do you clean the blower wheel? Judgement call? I just thought since it is apart and open, it would almost be standard procedure, but I don’t have other homeowners waiting for me to show up, so......

[@lonniebrock3282]

How can I get more air flow into my bathroom I had a bigger unit put in than needed I have plenty of air flow in other rooms but I need more heat in my bathroom I'm getting old now and I chill easier any recomdations would be appreciated thanks and stay safe

[@randytorboli]

Aprilaire is pretty good as far as a brand especially in the thermostat line up

[@herbertnewman4595]

How do you feel about Goodmans what do they compare with?

[@hvactechwanttobe1499]

Hello Ted good work on the motor replacement. i have a question in SC based on your experience when you say the A/C unit is short cycling ( time on/off time and back on )

[@Eddy63]

Nice little replacement vid Ted ...

[@rogerf3622]

Good video. Replacement in a Carrier is identical. In fact the parts look identical. The cost of OEM is horrific so the Evergreen is a good choice.

[@lancerudy9934]

How do you know where the clamps goes on the new motor?

[@fatguyonagrom9515]

Qwik makes a plug and play conversion to get away from that over engineered crap, or do as I do and wire in a Blower Relay.

[@opentopublichvacschool]

It's not very complicated, I bench-test the X13, 2.0, 2.3, 3.0 and EON motors every day for homeowners that had a "technician" tell them it was a bad motor. Normally the result is the motor is fine and the "technician" is an idiot that doesn't know what they are doing. I see so many people that have air conditioning contractors licenses but wouldn't pass a basic competency test.

[@lancerudy9934]

Did you want to mark on the old motor where the clamp goes!

[@petershulick5270]

Just like the mechanics that work on cars I break out there Liquid Ranch and spray down with they have to loosen up and let it soak in, I'm surprised you haven't thought about doing that by now replacing fan motors?

[@timb6879]

Usually just replace the bell end don't have to take it fully apart

[@brycelawmaster3746]

Why change the whole motor instead of just the module? I have almost never had the motor itself go bad.

[@kg4yhr]

Nice job Ted I have not changed one of those motors yet we have a lot of Carrier at work here but I think only one with that kind of motor keep up the good work and stay cool

[@mdovideo1414]

Why do the blower motors fail?

[@tytig94]

They fail because all mechanical parts can and will fail at some point...

[@michaellawyer8246]

Mr Ted awesome videos but i notice one thing you should always check your pressures . Thanks for the video be looking for you on another .

[@Discretesignals]

I'd probably leave the arms bolted to the housing. Then loosen the band and push it down while sliding the motor up and out. That way you don't have to goof around trying to get the arms in the right spot.

[@lancerudy9934]

Thanks for showing the hole thing!

[@joshl.158]

I'm assuming this motor is cheaper?

[@Willcox1984]

Have you had any of those Evergreen motors fail on you yet? They seem to be better then OEM in my opinion thus far.

[@daviddickson1035]

HVAC in SC I think is following yer vids. Seen where he says in one video not to just change out capacitor. And he just came out with a 60 sec tip about the green motor you just replaced.

[@lee-johnson]

Those motors are nice. Better price than OEM. What did you do to your arm Ted?

[@HVACShopTalk]

David Crosby does AC work?

[@TedCookHVAC]

Shoal does !!

[@ethelryan257]

My brother handles most of our HVAC, I usually only get involved when there is complete new wiring or complex smart systems need setting up. We're have both come to the conclusion that the small efficiency gains of the X13 motors are completely obliterated by their absolute unreliability.

[@mdovideo1414]

Is it possible to upgrade a psc blower motor to an X 13 or ECM blower motor?

[@hvacdoc2338]

MDO VIDEO Yes Google evergreen motor. Made by Genteq.

[@chriseh09]

There wasn't the option to just change out the module?

[@hozerhvac4406]

Chris Hall from the looks of it it was all one piece

[@TedCookHVAC]

@@hozerhvac4406 Shoal was.

[@chriseh09]

Cory Desormeaux if you look at the video where he’s taking the original motor it, there are two black screws.....this is what holds the module on. I, in most cases just change the module out so I was wondering why it wasn’t done here.

[@sivalley]

@@chriseh09 manufacturer doesn't want field personnel swapping modules because most techs don't ohm out the windings or check for grounds and then you're back to square one. Tl/dr: manufacturer doesn't trust you.

[@allenwebster6329]

Those x13 motors have a bad reputation some good they work off 24v from the control speeds are pretty simple the module on the motor outlast the itself in most case, they dont have a start capacitor that's where the module comes into 24vs from control board is what tells it to there are 2 models a 120v motor and 230/240 so when it has a call to come on from the 24vs off the control board it basically completes the the primary voltage that makes run and sometimes the factory speed settings are off allitle ,the simple to check is take the module off and check the 3 leads on the back side of the if there is resistance between one or less there is a winding issue on the motor itself you can also check the leads to be sure it is not grounded to the what would the motor shell most of the time the module is good and the motor ends up having those x13 motors sometimes run near $400 depending on where you the module itself cost $200 to $300 depending on where you get them as well I live in Springfield, mo, I recently had to replace our x13 motor we ordered it off ebay for I believe $229 so still not that as well,I called a supply company named stone parts had them instock,they wanted $449 which was incredibly too expensive which I turn led me to a cheaper route, I do like the capacitor type motors the best, you can convert to capacitor type however the x13 is very easy to install and troubleshoot that's the only reason I went with original replacement but not you almost have to have a doctors salary to afford the x13 ,yes they have bad things about them and good as well ,but there is good and bad about any product, I love watching your videos you have a lot of knowledge and tricks of the trade stored in you head I'm just a journeyman hvac person I've done installs on new homes exx. Sometimes when stumped on an issue I find one of your many KZbin videos and learn something pretty much daily,I know this was a really long comment i just wanted to throw a few things i had been i may be wrong on some informative if i am could you please let me what it was and clear up what I may been wrong on,thank you have a super day

[@sziltner]

👍🏼 Enjoyed this video, especially the blower motor that finds the proper rotation. I am not in the HVAC business, so that was amazing to me. Where is the blower motor start capacitor located? Out on the condenser unit? As I said, I am not in the business, but am fascinated by it. And yours are the very best videos of the 4 HVAC KZbinrs I follow. Tnx

[@armydays87]

These type of motors do not require a capacitor.

[@mychoclabwinston]

Once replaced a psc with a evergreen, cause the customer was a tree hugger, my god the instructions, do this do that, let the motor learn. I tell customers now, energy savings won’t be beneficial, just put it towards a new furnace, with a actual variable speed fan.

[@kevinsklow3473]

Uh, Ted? Yer bleedin’ there buddy... great video tho, always enjoy watching you get to it. I’ve come across an X13 with a different part # for unprogrammed vs. programmed..... is that a pretty common occurrence? I haven’t seen that many of them..... yet.

[@SETX_Sirens_and_Rail_02]

My grandmother's 2010 Carrier FX4 air handler lost its X-13 in 2013. Didn't really last that long.

[@lorensolares6277]

Might have to change one out tomorrow lol homeowner went OEM .. he’s ending up paying about $1050

[@jeffreywhitlatch1409]

That sure was a clean air handler. And that x 13 sure did last a long time. I know it was only because it was a gentek. And it's too bad you can't just buy the module for that motor. If you could have done just the module, it would have taken you less than half the time.

[@gmctrk63]

nice job Ted

[@twosawyers]

Why on earth are these ECMs failing so darn quick?

[@tomdolan8811]

I couldn’t agree more! I have been replacing components on the circuit board inside the 2.5 ECM motors for the last few years. With the release of the ECM 3.0, the manufacturer has re-designed them to be unrepairable but maybe more reliable. Only time will tell. The motor in this video is the updated 3.0 version and it failed. I use to say they were engineered to fail. Now I’m inclined to say they’re simply under engineered to be a long lasting dependable product.

[@realisticjman]

I have no idea the design maybe my experience is almost 60 % of systems I installed that had a x 13 I had to change out the ones that are out of warranty I put a psc motor in it

[@sumokid]

Tommy Sawyer In a lot of cases they are continuous torque motors which means they will try to keep and maintain the load regardless. Even if the filter/evap coil is dirty or there is some kind of obstruction. Basically a lot of times they ramp up to try and keep up and burn themselves up in process. And that’s not to mention the circuit boards inside them that are susceptible to power/lightning surge from utility. As an HVAC tech I replace these ecm motors almost daily. Also a lot of company’s like to do strait changouts which means replacing existing standard unit with no duct modification, and slap a high SEER unit in.(Generally more efficient units require much more airflow than a standard system) I really don’t think there is a problem per say with most ecm style motors but rather lack of education on how they should be installed. I still prefer pfc motors lol. And I’m in no way an expert, but just my opinion from my experiences.

[@animalcorvair]

ECM modules have a common failure which is a thermistor which goes bad and is a common for these to fail. easy cheap fix

[@publicmail2]

poor electronics so the little saving on kwh cost you big in replacement cost, an old type motor lasts 30-40 years. Same old story stay away from any new technology maybe by now there less bad?

[@jasonhastings4416]

Any repair is easy in a basement, show us one in a crawl space.

[@SnickasBah]

You have to be a Grateful Dead fan.

[@LuisNunez-cw3lp]

Just change out the module

[@jburr36]

holy box of wirenuts, batman

[@thereve]

Hey Ted, give us a video about cleaning gas burners. You know, so we won’t DIY it

[@The.Lone.Wolf.]

I like real time

[@ghostrider.13]

Pieces of equipment! Haha lol

[@josephkennedy8659]

I always have the company come by twice a year and test the unit. Once before summer starts and again before winter begins. I think it makes the unit last longer and use less electricity. Maybe it is a waste but it makes me feel better. PS I also change the oil in the car something these people probably do not do either.

[@Mushroomcapgenova]

If you change the filter regularly you won't have problems keep the hamster wheel clean

[@ronaldzeigler9057]

I worked for icp

[@tomdolan8811]

I was never a fan of Trane going back to when it was GE! The spin fin condenser coil was and is so difficult to clean without doing some damage to the coil. Other than that, it’s a good product. Enjoy your videos❗️

[@kendallfitzgerald8599]

I dont sell trane units and i believe that coil is the easiest coil to clean and will run cooler when its dirty than a tube and fin i hate micro channel!

[@Quentyn73]

that was a nasty cut

[@donnierobertson3088]

Nice

[@clintglasgow5633]

👍

[@brianhouk543]

X-13s are junk. Almost every one I have installed was changed out within 10 years. That is why the manufacturer extended the warranty on those motors to a 10 year free replacement part.

[@ZERO-F2G-]

My company has only had one X13 failure in the last five years out of several hundred installed. But then we do manual J,S,and D on every new construction install, and on replacements take many static pressure readings to determine if the duct system and or filtration need changes modifications etc. X13 motors are quite reliable when working in proper parameters, but the do die an early death when expected to deliver against very high TSP conditions.

[@throttlebottle5906]

ya'int working until you're bleeding all over.......... on rare occasion I get lucky and don't have blood spraying like a fountain lol

[@jacquelinejohnston6999]

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[@kangaroogod]

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