Telegram CEO’s arrest sparks debate over free speech online

[@Crypto_Bird]

Banning Telegram would be as extreme as banning the entire internet just because of illegal content. European countries are attempting to pass laws that would require social media platforms to have back doors for surveillance.

[@cliveboom]

France could easily block Telegram, but that won't get them what they want. What they want is complete and total transparency, basically the antithesis of Telegram.

[@jimmylei4728]

@@cliveboom I don't think transparency is the word here. More like access, complete access to Telegram.

[@ArizonaSquatch]

You don't mind the trafficking of children, humans, drugs, guns, human parts, animal parts, etc then.

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@jimmylei4728 Comply with the laws of the nations you operate in, and take money from.

[@peterbelanger4094]

The EU, as an organization needs to come to and END, disbanded, dissolved. They are nothing but a problem for the west. It was never a good idea. Now it's every bit as bad as the USSR, it's like all they did was move to Brussels in the early 90s.

[@Bill_Cooper]

With this standard, the Swiss Bank needs to be arrested.

[@brianmartinez7530]

And the owners of KZbin

[@martmet8688]

Banks can be sued and forced to comply. This is the same with this guy.

[@martmet8688]

@@brianmartinez7530 They day KZbin hides behind free speech to let criminals get away with crimes, you can tar and feather the owners of YT, you have my blessing and most probably 99% of users anyway.

[@nahyoxsoldier3264]

The western nations are liars and hypocrites so they are not going to arrest the banks where corrupt people store their money. The banks give bribes to the western government officials.

[@Jeremyho439]

CNN too.

[@cliveboom]

If a journalist refused to turn over the name of their sources and was jailed for it, they would be celebrated!

[@AzureRook]

Not if their source was a child abuser

[@ArizonaSquatch]

🤡 it's about crimes against children.

[@pinkfloyd870]

You enable child abuse, and kiddie porn. Sold and transferred with impunity

[@jadawson1]

​@@AzureRook​@ArizonaSquatch That's always been the argument for overreach because it's easy. There actually is little end to this argument, this same argument can be used in nearly every level including putting cameras in personal homes and on every street corner. It's unfortunate, but arresting the CEO of telegram won't make a dent.

[@TheTruthFollows]

The governments need control of their people to keep the corruption going.

[@HelenaTichmann59]

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[@VeniceHew83]

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[@cliveboom]

Russian or no Russian, this is still wrong. Release Durov immediately.

[@pinkfloyd870]

He enables crime, dissent, pedophilia, war crimes, arms dealers, drug dealers, and many more. This is pure evil, and you think it is "freedom of speech" I am free to say whatever I like, but I am not free of it's consequences. Your mind is feeble, and your thought process is so shallow, it is easily manipulated.

[@ArizonaSquatch]

So you don't mind child trafficking? Drug trafficking? Child abuse? All on his platform.

[@jadawson1]

​@@ArizonaSquatch That's always been the argument for overreach because it's easy. There actually is little end to this argument, this same argument can be used in nearly every level including putting cameras in personal homes and on every street corner. It's unfortunate, but arresting the CEO of telegram won't make a dent.

[@minecraft-steve-n5z]

you making this comment will certainly get him released all right. The French police force so far hasn't had the least shred of intent to set him free but now that you have typed this comment in here the French cops will be falling over themselves to release him.

[@dorientjewoller113]

If you are having a business and willing to have a marketshare in the EU, it's still under our laws, rules, norms, standards or *bleep* off.

[@bartjargengarblbargeler1980]

Also, Richard Medhurst was arrested in the UK for the crime of practicing journalism.

[@HypatiaMuse]

That was outrageous, he's an excellent journalist.

[@P0w3rsl4v3]

This is a perfect example of why stuff like Telegram and TOR need to exist.

[@Eric-dj1ko]

He's not journalist, he's a propagandist, journalist don't promote terrorism

[@zeyangaming4587]

Yeah cnn promote terrorism ​@@Eric-dj1ko

[@ducky8913]

​@@Eric-dj1koif he was really a terro he would be arrested u are the one spreading propaganda 😂

[@talkingtoothpick]

There’s no point in encrypting the message if you’re gonna force them to “cooperate with authorities “ and release the messages. That’s kind of the whole point.

[@joshmanuel3773]

No lol. You're arguing that point of telegram is to be able to break the law. That's absurd. The point of the messages being encrypted is to protect you from hackers and scammers.

[@twigoftheforest]

Yea it's like these people don't know what encryption is lol.... I doubt they want any joe shmoe reading your text messages, because that is what would happen if the FBI had a backdoor. If they think there is a crime, get a WARRANT. That's what the constitution wants us to do :)

[@jellojiei6061]

@@joshmanuel3773 it’s also to protect you from the government, all of their regulations make it so much easier for scammers, to steal your data, and they abuse this power way to much stealing or buying people’s data without warrants, by threatening companies to give it to them, good god the West is just like China at times. It is not illegal, to encrypt data, the police is just butt hurt that they have to do their jobs properly, this would be like if another nation arrested a tons of people in the US government, because another department did illegal things. Did you know the US government stole the bodies of dead babies from other countries to test for radiation, did you know the CIA sold drugs to fund the contra rebel group. The us and other governments break their laws constantly.

[@P0w3rsl4v3]

​@@joshmanuel3773 OP has a point... in coutries like Russia or China, the government wields oversight in a different way than the US. What might be fine in the US may qualify as illegal in Russia. The bar of legality is grey depending on where you are so keeping messages from "law enforcement" may truly be the means here.

[@MyLovelyForm]

@@joshmanuel3773 the point of encrypted messages is to have privacy and freedom of speech , encrypted messages wont help you against scammers, if anything Telegram is worst APP if you dont wanna get scammed.

[@bw4593]

I don’t like it. Should every single telecom CEO be arrested, since just about all criminals will use the phone or internet at some point to commit crimes? It is just a very bad step in government oversight, and any free nations should stand strongly against this precedent.

[@symoon5430]

You miss the point. If those CEO refuse to help in a criminal investigation, yes they should be arrested.

[@jeffalbillar7625]

​@@symoon5430 This isn't about stopping pedophilia or drug trafficking dude. This is about shutting people up. Control.

[@tornado-s-2012]

For Washington, surveillance on social networks, their total censorship and subordination, including through blackmail under the guise of combating various kinds of threats, are traditional ways of political management and external influence

[@ChrisEly]

The guy running the silk road was also arrested. It depends on the actions the CEO has taken or duties they have ignored.

[@bw4593]

@@symoon5430 the problem is where to draw the line. For example say abortion becomes illegal in the US, should companies bow to law enforcement to help them find women who’ve had one? Or should companies assist in finding homosexuals in countries where homosexuality is illegal? What about Cannabis. Should companies help the us government target cannabis users, even in states where it’s legal? Apple also refused to assist bypass encryption for some pretty abhorrent people’s phones, because they realized that by assisting in violating an awful persons privacy they weaken the privacy of everyone else. Should Tim Cook be arrested? I’m sure there is plenty of criminal activity done in iMessage, and in Google messaging etc. where does it end. Having your freedom threatened if you don’t give full control of your tech to governments, who I’m sure will only use that control for good right? I think you are missing the point.

[@prestonhanson501]

Id rather have freedom and problems and criminals then permanent government tryanny that harms all

[@breezystl777]

The irony of this being posted to youtube where free speech is incredibly heavily moderated...

[@dougyates7218]

Yep, KZbin are communists too!

[@Curyrus]

please elaborate on how free speech isn't allowed on youtube

[@somedude2433]

@@Curyrusever try having a discussion about real truths on KZbin? Apparently not.

[@Sfhakrn]

Exactly. Many of my comments that are completely benign are being censored. Meanwhile, whack jobs are leaving comments all over the place that are acceptable by some standard.

[@breezystl777]

@@Curyrus You can't even say another word for "donkey" without being put in comment timeout.

[@kevincannon2269]

the anchor has to be the most british person i've ever seen

[@freedom_1_2]

All these accusations against Durov sound absurd. Blaming him for all the crimes that are being committed on his platform is the same as blaming French President Macron for all the crimes that are happening in France. It's the same logic! #FREEDUROV

[@booyahchicken7628]

Shame on france authority😢

[@CharlesDarwinBarkley]

why is there not one interview of kamala? shouldnt she be answering the tough questions because she's running for president?

[@SA-nr8si]

She will answer questions the day Trump does cos we all know he lies or avoids.

[@RickMcQuay]

Get yourself deprogrammed.

[@gregputman]

What does that have to do with this story? Are you really that utterly triggered? You need to go get some help

[@kelliott7864]

Hmm, holding executives responsible for what happens in their companies. What a novel idea.

[@shiftymcgee9359]

Sounds like Telegram is Silk Road 2.0.

[@deadname...]

I've had a lot of comments deleted by you tube that did not violate the supposed community standards.

[@superoldgamesaturday3277]

They delete any anti-Biden/Harris comments.

[@bloodyneptune]

But if someone doesn't like what you said, they can just report it. KZbin doesn't check if its true or not

[@RickMcQuay]

@@bloodyneptune KZbin and all social media is run by bots.

[@Hawkfire3937]

The French are just trying to shake him down and rattle his cage.

[@HarwardMbonxa]

next is Zuckerbag,Elon Musk,CEO of cell phone companies.

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@HarwardMbonxa good.... These people are traitors to the people that made them. Pure evil, they own everything, and want more

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@HarwardMbonxa Good

[@rabbit251]

@@HarwardMbonxa And that would be bad? In the US there is freedom of speech, but that isn't an absolute. You can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, you can't incite people to riot or break laws. Banks in the same way can't help drug dealers to launder money, combine the 2 and you get a company that can't knowingly or negligently help people to commit crime.

[@joshpowers3315]

France is a far left nazi socialist country

[@live_free_or_perish]

If Telegram goes down, another app that does the same thing is going to replace it.

[@ChrisEly]

Any app replacing Telegram is likely to be less dangerous to users. End-to-end encrypted groups by default and industry standard encryption would be huge improvements over the privacy and security theater that is Telegram!

[@gregputman]

Arresting a CEO for not moderating people's conversations enough seems pretty scary. The world is being sucked more and more into a fascist reality. If law enforcement believes that there's illegal activity being committed then they should be able to get a warrant. That's the way it should work. This guy should not be obligated to turn anything over.

[@roberthollingsworth8940]

How are money laundering, drug trafficking and CP free speech?

[@JunTrinh-jn1ze]

Telegram is the chat application. Telegram doesn't release the information of the user (including chat content, location etc). You don't want the government has access of your chat information since it is freedom of speech

[@f.iph7291]

Omg there are people that believe these labels

[@marcane6122]

Free speech is the ability to say whatever you want. That doesn't mean you won't face consequences.

[@dorientjewoller113]

@@JunTrinh-jn1ze BS ... abuse of your right aka freedom of speech is not and nowhere allowed.

[@superoldgamesaturday3277]

Ask Joe Biden. He's done all those things.

[@martianrays]

THEY ARE LOOKING TO SEE IF TELEGRAM IS DOING THE VERY SAME THING THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!

[@felixdelabarara494]

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." I'm for Blackstone's Ratio. I'd much rather free speech prevail over total security.

[@kelliott7864]

Anarchists, nihilists, criminals and right-wing extremists love chaos and no rules.

[@ryancaudle5206]

I whole heartedly agree!

[@pinkfloyd870]

Free speech is not free of consequences. You are in propaganda fed cult of utter morons

[@dannyeverette4551]

Wow france arrest a ceo for not giving company info??? Kind of a scandal ya know

[@mystery8207]

Sooo can we stop controlling every aspect of speech. Sure bad things are happening on the app but why is the government always trying to see what we do and say

[@ArizonaSquatch]

Because of the bad things that happen. Trafficking in and abuse of children isn't free speech. Trafficking drugs isn't free speech. Planning murders isn't free speech. Human trafficking isn't free speech. Those are crimes, in every country.

[@prestonhanson501]

So attack bad actors without violating free speech. Why isnt that american way being done? Thats the american way . I miss the old internet of freedom

[@pmclaughlin4111]

"Free Speech" as they are using it and most people here are understanding it, is an American Concept. This is a Russian citizen in France.

[@colonelangus8247]

"Free Speech" is a basic human right like the right to keep and bear arms

[@HKim0072]

Yeap, different countries have different laws. The bar for defamation in the US is very high. In other countries ie Korea, it’s much lower.

[@Tihamah5]

You two gotta be so special. He is also a French citizen and UAE citizen. And with that argument that some people might use his app for bad things, then the whole internet should be shut off because people use it for drugs, terror, child abuse, etc... Oh, by the way, they also use Facebook, TikTok, KZbin, WhatsApp for exactly the same things! But the difference is Telegram doesn't allow them to spy randomly or on certain individuals, and it allows Palestinians, Ukrainians, and Russians to say the truth and express themselves...which the Europeans and the americans (goverments) hates so much.

[@symoon5430]

He's actually a French citizen.

[@pmclaughlin4111]

@@symoon5430 Updating my information-thanks

[@doamaker6674]

This is what all governments want.

[@JosephCarven]

Telegram is basically two things. One is public channels where content is literally public - it is stored in the cloud, Tlgrm can read delete and ban these. The second thing is encrypted messaging between two clients, specifically "secret chat" as it called there, not the regular one - telegram can't access it, can't decrypt or know what happening there. This is very important thing that you should know about it before misleading people.

[@ChrisEly]

Finally! Someone that hasn't been fooled by Telegram marketing. Everything that isn't a "Secret Chat" can be read and/or shared by Durov with whomever he wants. Telegram has a history of working with authoritarian governments and ignoring democratic governments. It was stupid of Durov to not just cooperate with France when he is a French citizen.

[@JosephCarven]

​@@ChrisEly Whatever you say, I think Durov is as guilty as a kitchen knife manufacturer is guilty of manslaughter committed with their product. Or as the saying goes, "Guns don't kill people, people do".

[@itsvictoroyedeji]

The word "free" in free speech needs to be redefined.

[@Uomo_Universale]

People just need to start not paying taxes in mass.

[@cliveboom]

Sure, we'll make it mean "expensive" instead.

[@ajmillan9839]

Nope. By censoring information of any kind, you believe you and your ideas are smarter or more valuable than others. As opposed to the MAGA ideals of allowing others who are equal to you, to interpret the data for themselves.

[@Kriptz]

Free speech. It means that if the cops show up at your house and find other criminal activities than what they initially came for they cannot charge you for those. The platform offers safe and private speech to everyone. That's why people went over there... to have privacy.. If the cops can at any time have access to your whole conversation, video, audio then why are we not just straight up connected to the FBI so they can listen to us when we argue with our wife, or in the shower, right? I mean.. It's the law, they should be able to see what we do when we're alone right? SMH.... can't fix you guys.

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@Uomo_Universale Free speech is not free of consequences. I could say awful things about you, or what I would like to do to you, but it does not make me immune from you reporting me, and me being held accountable for threats, or abuse. My free speech does not grant me immunity from prosecution. Telegram enable child abuse for kiddie porn, sold across the world with impunity. Your "free speech" is quite expensive for those children

[@kingmaekartargaryen4975]

CNN worried about free speech 😅😂 That’s rich

[@marielaguaita5794]

Yesss Vote blue- vote Kamala- we the people wants to be like Venezuela-open borders- more inflation- increase the tax- and more sexology in schools, cuz kids don't need math and literature- yessss vote socialism, votekamala

[@Shining237]

Only absolute autocracies deal in this level of censorship.

[@gengrant5291]

Free speech, not free from responsibilities. CNN should know better

[@gordleith9474]

Who decides who should be responsible for what speech?

[@MyLovelyForm]

the only responsibilities Telegram has is to be an fully encrypted APP and give their users freedom of speech and privacy, thats why people use this APP, if government gets access to messages that means nobody has privacy and freedom of speech, thats the whole point, you cant lose something that valuable as freedom of speech and privacy just coz criminals exist on the platform too, they are on every platform and if Telegram closes criminals will continue to do crimes, you cant ever solve this issue but you can solve privacy.

[@P0w3rsl4v3]

This is kind of the same situation as TOR, it's just a tool that enables privacy. Law Enforcement doesn't like TOR because it anonymizes and encrypts activity in such a way that they can't just freely monitor it. How the tool is used is where the problem is, not what the tool allows for. In the U.S. this dude's arrest would be a nothing burger because he didn't commit a crime by running the telegram network much in the same way a TOR exit node operator can't be prosecuted for what data traverses the node. I don't know French laws but I assume a similar thing will play out here, there's nothing to charge him with. What crime did he personally commit?

[@kirtjames1353]

He will be on his way home in a few days. Elon is far worse.

[@HKim0072]

Dunno, there is nasty stuff going on in that app.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

For owning twitter? What crimes is that

[@andrewpinson1268]

Elon is in for free speech, so yes I am sure that the democrats are looking for a way to lawfare him like they did Trump. Elon of course has a little more money and would love to take a bite out of the democrats that are willing to step up and try..

[@pmclaughlin4111]

Arguably. But I don't think Elon is heading to France any time soon

[@LiziMimi19]

Honestly, Telegram and apps like it should be banned. I get it that free speech is important, but we need to abide by certain moral standards. The world we live in is getting out of control!

[@perrymason4208]

He’s not an American citizen, the “first amendment” doesn’t apply in foreign lands, and jurisdictions.

[@mr.v3061]

As a Belgian ... I approve of this common sense message

[@tomtom8786]

@@mr.v3061yeah we know u r Belgian...so what?!

[@brianmartinez7530]

You should want free speech everywhere

[@rooster1012]

Or private platforms.

[@martmet8688]

@@brianmartinez7530 Except when "free speech" is an excuse for asking the right to do whatever, including crimes, without accountability. Which is what is the subject here.

[@Science1677]

Oh I get it, now social media trolls deciding what is a crime and what's not and you run with it, lmao.

[@denb4626]

Absolutely criminal and it's time to hold people accountable

[@africamonitor4025]

Talking about children photography 😅😅😅 Have you heard Jeffrey Epstein? Why the findings were not pushed forward?

[@MyLovelyForm]

how they accuse them of this while they have no clue what people post with fully encrypted messages, this are just buzz words so that NPCs can agree when they destroy every app that has any freedom of speech and privacy left

[@TheBlackSands]

On what grounds do the french have to illegally arrest this entrepeneur and civilian .🤔👎

[@Redpilled66]

A billionaire capitalist oligarch should never be allowed to privatise the town square.

[@brianmartinez7530]

As you watch CNN

[@Redpilled66]

@@brianmartinez7530 i dont watch CNN.

[@topcat5988]

You lefties are incredible. There is no such thing as a capitalist oligarch… That statement is an oxymoron…

[@slickandslaycious6579]

💯 OP

[@brianmartinez7530]

@Redpilled66 CNN produced this video smh

[@EugeneLorey]

Only CNN would claim there's some sort of "debate" about this.

[@marisabenson1222]

He faces up to 20 years in prison. People aee very confused about free speech. In the town square anyone who speaks face immediate reaction and can be challenged. When speakers hide behind anonymity and encryption they face no consequences.

[@MyLovelyForm]

ye coz thats the point of "freedom" of speech and also privacy, i love how NPCs are programed to be against this very important things while they actually think there wont be criminals anymore once all freedom of speech and privacy is taken away... like how many times this happened in history..

[@danheuser5148]

@@MyLovelyForm Limits to freedom of speech and privacy, and consequences for certain types of speech are good things. E.g. if the police can't enter my home and infringe on my privacy, then how are they going to effectively investigate the murders that took place in my basement. There needs to be nuance in these laws.

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@MyLovelyForm Freedom of speech is NOT freedom from consequences.

[@Kraken9911]

​​@@pinkfloyd870consequences from private parties and government is a huge difference. If you punch me in the face because I spoke badly about your culture that's fine. If government throws you in jail for speaking badly that's a travesty.

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@Kraken9911 Consequence are about law. the law in France, as far as this is concerned. Not the law in your nation, nor the law in your head. The law of France, as constituted by a democratic government. The problems are not about "speaking badly" it is about kiddie, porn, child abuse, drug dealing, people trafficking... etc. etc. Your take on things is what Russian propaganda tells you. I am telling you the truth.

[@AaronandKim]

This has to specifically do with sharing with authorities the activities of child pornography and human trafficking among other disgusting and illegal activities, not a restriction of “free speech”.

[@axeman3329]

Free speech should NOT be absolute when things like pedophilia, serious national security concerns, murder and so on is alleged. For people who’s always braying on and on about law and order this should be a no-brainer. We need to balance our rhetoric and expectations with common sense.

[@MrBentalton777]

calls for violence are not protected speech. also 99% of people are no threat to national security which again the only way anyone is determined a national security threat is 1 if the person is violent and 2 if they are an official with top secret information. as for pedophilia while concerning TALKING to a minor is not illegal however sexual talk and sexual action is. but also free speech only applies in America as our constitution protects it other countries dont have that luxury

[@brainchamber99]

The French government doesn't care about the CP allegations. All they care about is getting access to the private opinions of its citizens, their names, and faces. Durov is smart to see right through their nonsense.

[@richardm4825]

The issue is that very serious criminals are using the platform and how to apprehend them. This has zero to do with free speech.

[@mystery8207]

The issue is the government facing control of what we say. The fact is we’ve seen what they did with many social media platforms that suppress certain thoughts and ideas

[@richardm4825]

@@mystery8207 Just bullshit. More Right Wing bullshit narrative.

[@alexsilent5603]

So what? Criminals use many different things.

[@Shakor77]

You have to prove that. To ask Telegram to give up user data without proof is upholding internet privacy and free speech.

[@richardm4825]

@@mystery8207 Garbage Right Wing narrative. There are literally dozes of Right Wing sites, one owned by a 34 time convicted Felon.

[@nicklindberg90]

Should probably stop working with the FSB then

[@epictetusepictetus5033]

Telegram is the main data exxchange tool for russian army

[@stephenpignetti6598]

You are full of it.

[@ofusowre7620]

And the Ukrainian army. What s the difference?

[@cliveboom]

The Ukrainian Army too.

[@MyLovelyForm]

source: I read this online

[@user-eo1vz9lt8g]

@@MyLovelyForm and you have some other way to glean a little information??????

[@Pythagoras1plus]

do not call this an "encrypted platform" that statement is wrong. please get cybersecurity experts on the table and get rid of these myths. this is is essential to understand the role of the platform. spoiler: it is not about encryption after all

[@fixieroy]

Free speech doesn’t mean Zero accountability for the things you post and say.

[@Uomo_Universale]

If you are persecuted for your speech; regardless of the reason, if there are consequences for expressing your opinion, then free speech doesn’t exist. Which it doesn’t and never has, only popular and socially acceptable speech was ever protected, and that type of speech was always popular and socially accepted and didn’t need protection from anything.

[@pinkfloyd870]

@@Uomo_Universale Threatening is done through free speech, and so are conspiracies to do crimes, including drug trafficking, child abuse from making money of child pornography, arms deals, people trafficking, spying, subversion, and espionage. Your take on free speech is ridiculously pathetic. You must abide by the laws of the nation you operate, and draw income from.

[@Dominican1BackUp04]

I didn't know it is the job of a private business to act as police. If there is a crime get a court order and request records. FREE SPEECH PALS

[@46mrph]

Nothing to do with free speach once any law is violated.

[@MusicMike747]

Who’s laws? There are 195 nations in the world. People are being sent to prison in England for posting unkind words online. On paper, the United States has the most protections for freedom of speech; however, in practice, hardly the best example for the world

[@noneshere]

What law says government has to know what society is doing 24 hours a day ? Don't forget where government gets it's paychecks.

[@peterlongprong7521]

kinda an ironic joke talking about "Freedom of speech" on youtube - of all places ~ where you get censored for sneezing

[@Rheinmetall2025]

Well I’m sorry, but telegram caused millions of pounds of damage here in the UK, telegram deserves to be banned everywhere

[@Typical.Anomaly]

But "guns don't unalive people; people do," according to conservatives.

[@user-ql9it8go2j]

@@Typical.Anomalylol I knew something so sensible couldn’t come from a democrat

[@user-ql9it8go2j]

Did telegram do that or did people??

[@mystery8207]

The media caused that not telegram. Maybe hold the news accountable for spreading misinformation

[@tomtom8786]

Telegram gave freedom of speech and privacy to people that deserve it. Not sure how it caused damage to UK according to your assumption

[@asianamericanadvice6016]

Of course, Tik Tok is far more dangerous.

[@johnlyons427]

The fascists are in high gear .

[@Ryanedinburgh10]

There’s a difference between free speech and blatant criminality.

[@Lawlzinator]

Who is to say what is or isn't? Unelected officials and big tech corporations?

[@jzero1579]

Yes, we are too dumb to think for ourselves.

[@MyLovelyForm]

yes, you cant have a word without criminals, but you can have freedom of speech, i dont think everyone should lose freedom of speech just coz criminals exist and use the APP, you cant only spot criminals on the APP and rest of users having freedom of speech and full encrypted messages, banning Telegram wont suddenly stop criminals lol, atleast people can have their freedom of speech and people that chose to have none are dumb since the only choice is having no freedom of speech + criminals or no freedom of speech + criminals

[@MykalNines]

If he doesn't want to abide by French laws, don't travel to France. He thought he was above the law. Too bad so sad.

[@bartjargengarblbargeler1980]

So true. The West can forget about pretending to be the bastion of freedom now

[@HarwardMbonxa]

so called democratic country that arrest people for not applying censorship.

[@alexsilent5603]

He only needed to refuel his plane. France fabricated this case in mere minutes while he was landing.

[@Shakor77]

France is a woke shit-hole. No one should want to go there.

[@limek7212]

They made an order in minutes after his arrival...

[@rainman7992]

recently France had sabotage done during olympics, this is French way of saying " we did not forget "

[@mr.v3061]

As a Belgian i SUPPORT my French neighbour. Let the courts deal with this problem. No American, Russian or Chinese billionaire should tell us what our law should be for their product! We make the law and if you want to sell a product or service here, you follow our laws.

[@HarwardMbonxa]

a so called democracy that arrest those who tell the world the truth.

[@illegal_migrants_freestuff]

Dear Belgium if I get my way as an American..Trump would be President and we would pull out of NATO as Europe are free loaders

[@Shakor77]

How exactly did he break any laws? He simply did not want to give up user data as he believes in online privacy.

[@isntyourbusiness]

​@@illegal_migrants_freestuffugh, no one cares what a Maga has to say. You support a buffoon

[@tomtom8786]

In that case as a Belgian you should not use our American iphones, instagram, facebook and youtube. All of these products are from California and you are using KZbin and most of them! Telegram gave freedom of speech and privacy to people that deserve it.

[@Puzekat2]

Hate speech is not free. Criminal activity is not free. Without rules and regulations, humans lose their minds and act improperly. that’s reality. We are not raised to be self regulators. We are raised to be self-absorbed and we’re lucky that we’re ever generous because we are not raised to be that unless our well functioning parents if we have them, are successful in teaching those skills.

[@Typical.Anomaly]

"Hate speech" is only an American thing. There are no global regulations.

[@superoldgamesaturday3277]

Good to remember when the criminal charges are made on Biden in January.

[@bellsTheorem1138]

If they are committing crimes then there is no "free speech" issue.

[@sleepyjoe7843]

There is an issue if they spy on everyone because of some criminals. At this point it's just an excuse.

[@JackIsNotInTheBox]

Scammers' heaven.

[@gs8527]

Free speech is one thing. Using the pretext of "free speech" to commit crimes and hide crimes is something completely different.

[@TheDrAstrov]

2024 - the year of shame for France!

[@jasperchance3382]

It's not about free speech, it's about war crimes and various other crimes and Moscow is mad, but the guy handed himself over to France. Let's guess why.

[@Paul-se4wc]

And why isn't all the government of the world investigating the dark web who have done way worse ? They don't give a damn . If they did they would of not only shut that down but everyone involved will be put in federal prison. I'm more worried about that than I am about social media platforms. I feel like there targeting Facebook KZbin x ECT to censor free speech ignoring legitimate threats that exist on the internet like the dark web

[@harleyquinn8202]

What war crimes did Durov commit?

[@jasperchance3382]

@@harleyquinn8202 not him!

[@sleepyjoe7843]

@@jasperchance3382 Then what's your point?

[@jasperchance3382]

@@sleepyjoe7843 guessing game

[@RITPA]

Free speech is free speech. Glad Constitution protects us from our own government.

[@pinkfloyd870]

Free speech is not free for the victims of pedophilia, drug trafficking, people trafficking, and child porn that is traded and sold, and of which substantial evidence is deliberately concealed by this platform. If they are breaking the laws of the nations they operate in arrest them. It is not hard to work out. But propaganda and simple minds can substantially derange a person.

[@Dont.Call.Me.Tall.]

How many courts in this whole world is this one guy holding up? Why not just comply to authorities?

[@HarwardMbonxa]

to apply censorship,a so called democracy.

[@FuzzyHuggs]

Chandler Bing, "Could this guy BE any more British?"

[@kindabluu]

Bro sounds absolutely gobsmacked

[@Paul-se4wc]

They'll arrest this guy but do nothing about the creeps on the dark web huh? Says a lot doesn't it

[@realitystrikes1998]

Billionair Bootlicker detected.

[@carolperkins1493]

It doesn't sound like a free speech thing. It sounds like he was arrested for crimes and withholding information.

[@subpoenas]

idiot bru

[@Desyo-wn7ib]

I know a very similar story somewhere :) Frédéric Pierucci (born 14 January 1968) is a French business manager and a former senior executive for Alstom, who was accused of willful blindness to corporate corruption by the United States Department of Justice[1] and was arrested and detained in the United States from 2013 to 2014. He is the author of the book The American Trap: My Battle to Expose America’s Secret Economic War Against the Rest of the World, an autobiography that chronicles his experience throughout the legal ordeal.

[@blurrcs15]

Too many Americans believe that free speech means they can literally say anything. However, that thankfully isn't true. Free speech means you can criticize the government without fear of persecution. It does not mean you can say whatever you want and get away with it, especially if you make threatening or concerning comments. We all need to be kept in check so we don't say things that can directly harm others. And as someone who is studying psychology, believe me, words absolutely can harm others. If you want an example of this, just look at Alex Jones.

[@danielameha1337]

I never encounter illegal activity on Telegram but several times on Snapchat and WhatsApp

[@kenyamccrary2355]

Wasn’t he arrested in FRANCE?! News flash, France is NOT the US. If this is about free speech, remember our laws don’t apply to other countries. Calm the fuck down.

[@smooth2477]

Twitter is more dangerous than telegram. This has everything to do with shutting down competition

[@niclewis9610]

There needs to be accountability for criminal use on his platform.

[@hawkinsheidi]

Based on your thinking then same should apply for all phone carriers, Apple or Android phones, USPS etc.

[@niclewis9610]

@@hawkinsheidi Yes if they fail to take action to curb criminal use on their platforms. Especially fraud, drug trafficking, organized crime, promoting terrorism. Charles Manson didn't kill anyone but was found guilty.

[@Uomo_Universale]

There should be accountability with all of our Epstein island little boy SAing political class but there never will be.

[@briananderson1979]

Please operationally define "accountability" and why it wouldnt apply to govt as well? The assumption you make is that the requesting party (govt) is as pure as the driven snow. A slight pause and reflection on history will show they are as much a threat, if not more, than the roque criminal. I advocate for neither, desiring limited govt as a necessary evil, while also understanding we have ALL engaged in illegal activity. The trouble is when o e begins to believe they are morally superior. This leads to disasterous outcomes. It justifies mass incarceration, tyranny, and genocide. This is not an outlandish idea. Oh my. Imagine the holocaust if you could track all jews phones. Now, stop. You may believe your actions would never fall under criminal activity. Me too. Except when I decided to tell my children that stealing was wrong, but his school stated it was justified if you were poor, my parenting came into question. Not yet illegal. Not yet. But if it were, and govt tracked all i did, how could i ever have an identity? Its not about tracking criminals....its about tracking. Wake up. We are all future criminals.

[@MarlonRomero-z5w]

Freedom of speech with responsibility that Telegram does not follow.

[@anticorruptionagenda5106]

Time for Democracies to stop beeing the nice guy !

[@RickMcQuay]

^^^^ And that's how you get fascism.

[@anticorruptionagenda5106]

@@RickMcQuay No that how you kick Fascist @ss!!!

[@Desyo-wn7ib]

Let's see if the French dare to arrest the owner of Facebook, Google, Twitter, WhatsApp

[@vasik9719]

From russian military sources: Telegram is used by russian military to aim their missiles and artillery strikes!

[@africamonitor4025]

How about those Ukrainian channels on telegram?

[@noneshere]

Actually Ukraine mostly uses Starlink for GPS , Internet, and satellite observations.

[@hermetic_wizard777]

It's also used by Ukrainian military too. Pavel said he doesn't support his app being used for military purposes.

[@jimbosander]

and also used by the Ukrainians... secure communication.

[@alexanderkorshkov1904]

well, russian military use telegram to aim the missiles. And they use chips imported tom europe/us to make these missiles. Better to something about it.

[@aimaxb7920]

this is what happen when a competitor seek power other than skills and knowledge...... 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oliveleaf7376]

Is a Russian-government-affiliated app complicit in horrific crimes? Spoilers: yes. Name a Russian company that has clean hands.

[@popeofchina8551]

Except russia is banning Telegram actually,look it up.

[@deonlubbe6127]

It is like suing iphone if someone swears at me over the phone

[@hermanorsu6825]

FREE DUROV

[@covenant11]

convict criminals mr troll

[@lkg1063]

PLEASE DON"T HE'S NOT ABOVE LAW ARREST TECH BILLIONAIRES WHO PLAY GOD WITH THE CONTENT THAT PEOPLE CONSUME ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ENCOURAGE HATE, WAR, PEDOPHILIA, NAZISM AND RACISM

[@hermanorsu6825]

​@@covenant11 First, he hasn't been convicted yet. Second, Assange was also politically targeted for standing up for others' freedom. Maybe it’s time to look beyond the CNN propaganda machine and start thinking for yourself

[@hermanorsu6825]

@@covenant11 First, he hasn't been convicted yet. Second, Assange was also politically targeted for standing up for others' freedom. Maybe it’s time to look beyond the CNN propaganda machine and start thinking for yourself.

[@vespelart]

Maybe champion of fatherhood; claiming to be the father of over 100 children worldwide as a sperm donor.

[@Zatvornik]

France - Birthplace of Democracy! Yeah! Right!

[@scratchingthesurfaceAI]

Ellon is surely a bit more worried today than yesterday...

[@thegirlfromru]

Free Durov.

[@zacharygreen2895]

nice opinion

[@Redrum9899]

Where ever there’s smoke, there’s fire.

[@juniorpadilla3886]

Finally they got this guy

[@redalert2834]

Shouldn't the assets of wealthy Russians have been seized long ago?

[@aezean5618]

If they have a problem with his platform, why do they allow its use in their country

[@Meauxluv]

Beware of the Asian woman asking for money.

[@mikeStinson-gg2wl]

Glad to have free speech as my constitutional right from south africa✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@myvibe3893]

This is unacceptable. The individuals accountable have gone too far. Where is the commitment to inclusion and diversity? They create their own rules for achieving their goals. Disdain them.

[@usanews-fast]

He thought he was above the law. Too bad so sad.