Challenging the Gold Standard - Tesla Model Y & Onvo L60 Comparison

[@lancpudn]

ONVO L60, take my money.

[@521mickey]

Will definitely take mine $ as well!!! Battery swap hands down!!!

[@stephmaccormick3195]

L60 beats Y in basically every category.

[@MartonR]

Really fascinating to see how fast chinese cars are evolving, keep up the good work!

[@familiahh5146]

We just book the Onvo 2 weeks ago and expect delivery in December🎉

[@acs2777]

Biggest mistake ever but ok, and congrats

[@jepa8]

@@acs2777 Butthurt Tesla bot

[@GM-lq7sw]

@@familiahh5146 very good decision

[@iSot80]

@@acs2777 Why?

[@GallAnonim-jx2cz]

Because most likely Onvo won't exist in 2-3 years. And because it depreciates much faster than tesla.

[@joelopic]

L60 for me anyday. Better build quality and comfort.

[@Roman-re1yg]

Great video thank you. For me there really is no comparison because the model Y lacks the most important feature, battery swap. As battery swap continues to gain traction a percentage here and there in efficiency will not matter to most customers. Keep the Onvo videos coming!

[@neglectedloves]

Fantastic video, very informative, eloquently presented 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@rebym]

I have no idea how you have so few subscribers and so few views. You are in my opinion the best EV reviewer on KZbin. I learned why the Model Y looks so ugly when you overlaid the two cars to show the frontal area, it looks weird because they made it too narrow.

[@naga2015kk]

absolutely agree. I hope he can expand his coverage to Car Accessories from China.

[@disarchitected]

@@rebym Because youtube is blocked in China, and a lot of these cars aren’t available abroad?

[@disarchitected]

@@rebym I only discovered this channel because I took a holiday in China, saw the crazy amount of EV’s and wondered what they were.

[@jholzherr]

fantastic video, well done Nio, this car is faster, more efficient, more luxurious, larger, better tech, with battery swap, 900v and it's cheaper too.. What a game changer this car is, shame the west is missing out on these with their stupid tariffs.

[@521mickey]

Agreed all the way!!!

[@Zelielz1]

China also put tariffs hah

[@RM-sd5yw]

ONVO L60 all the way. So much better in every way

[@GM-lq7sw]

Finally someone who really comments on Tesla build quality, outside and inside. Tesla is very poor. ONVO way better. Design, modern,

[@wombat7961]

Tesla model x over any size of pothole feels like a landmine

[@disarchitected]

@@GM-lq7sw Tesla build quality of Right hand drive cars in the UK is very good these days, no different than other manufacturers. They definitely were shoddy at the start.

[@GM-lq7sw]

@disarchitected check how the body panels fit....at least 1 finger separation

[@afml7049]

Wish we had Onvo in the UK! Excellent comparison review.

[@deltajohnny]

Awesome video, very informative and unbiased 👏👏👏

[@Achillias]

Why would anyone living in China still choose for a Tesla, when they have so much better option's on the electric car market.. Would take the Onvo L60.

[@ssimon1328]

Cause there a lot dumb chinese

[@66tang-b7e]

Cause Tesla is the first one to to it and impressed consumer. It is like first prize owner is always the one to be remembered. I mean, for most of the consumer, Tesla will be easier to choose without comparing and thinking.

[@kongchen3122]

I like onvo l60 is good at everything, so I will buy tesla model Y. This is gonna be all Chinese buying it, you gonna ask why? It’s Tesla😂 you know how much face you get.

[@tren133]

The Chinese are actually some of the biggest brand snobs in the world, and Tesla built quite a bit of brand image for itself, as has the German BBAP brands, and even Japanese brands such as Toyota/Honda. Although that brand snobbery has been changing as of late, especially amongst more younger consumers.

[@LLLLLLEON216]

That’s what I’m saying! A lot of Chinese still look up to western brands and believe anything from the west is superior. I just feel so sad for them. Chinese EVs in the same price range are simply and objectively better than Teslas

[@jakubdekys4799]

ONVO is much better looking and better value for the price!..Thanks for good objective review

[@DailyBeatings]

The 0.1 difference in KWH is well within the standard deviation of testing, therefore the conclusion is they are equal in efficiency with regards to high speed driving.

[@dullumullu]

No they are not. You are comparing Apple to oranges with the 400V Vs 900V Systems. If anything specific Efficiency, is higher on the Tesla.

[@DailyBeatings]

@@dullumullu You obviously don't know what standard deviation means...🤣

[@dullumullu]

@@DailyBeatings You obviously dont understand the point I was making.

[@DailyBeatings]

@@dullumullu You where making a point? My statement was factual regarding the testing results, unless you want to argue with standard statistical analysis that is taught in high schools and universities throughout the world...🤣

[@dullumullu]

@@DailyBeatings repeating the obvious does not prove your argument.

[@waynerm002]

I looked at a Model Y back in 2020, I couldn’t do it. It didn’t make sense to me, the price for the car with all the mismatched paint on bumper and body, misaligned panels, huge panel gaps, harsh ride, missing physical controls and interior parts not assembled properly (could put your hand in the liner that was not flush with the roof on one side and feel the wires inside). Checked others on the lot and they all had similar issues, even the just delivered cars that came off the truck. The Model S was the same, I was shocked people accepted this. I wouldn’t call Tesla the gold standard, they are improving but, it’s a rip off to de-content the cars and charge more for them. Today, they have a lot more competition, which will eventually shift sales to better equipped vehicles.

[@tvguide4khv]

Tesla sells now platform and company stability. ONVO just an startup.

[@waynerm002]

@@tvguide4khv Tesla was long past startup in 2020, Onvo being new has better build quality than Tesla did as a startup and has more equipment for the price of comparable new versions. Onvo is from NIO, I would take them over Tesla.

[@stanwbaker]

@@tvguide4khv Tesla is an NHTSA inquiry from Chapter 11. I suspect that will make the stock go up.

[@frankwei8691]

I have to agree, I own 2 Teslas for 2 years, the quality is not acceptable but there were not competitors

[@waynerm002]

@@frankwei8691 Very true. The Chinese is coming out with new models from younger companies, exceeding what Tesla is offering as far as equipment. In the past couple of months, Tesla has cancelled (car and battery) projects in South East Asia as the Chinese manufacturers are providing high quality vehicles for lower prices, with tech that Tesla charges for, as standard offerings. BYD Seal is a really great offering and the Seal Lion 7 is said to come as a rival to Tesla. The Onvo L60 I like as it looks like a sedan but isn't.

[@misfit203]

can you do a similar comparison between the onvlo l60 and the xpeng g6? I havent seen this comparison.

[@PortfolioPL]

Pricing is out and the model Y is around 250K kuai right now the L60 is 210K with the smaller, 60KWh battery and 235K kuai with the 85 kWh battery. In case of renting the battery both versions cost only 150K which is BYD Yuan Plus (Atto 3 outside china) price range and the monthly rent fee is 600 and 900 kuai, respectively. Model 3 is around 220K right now.

[@boomhand]

This was a high quality video review,👏. Onvo has set the bar much higher, all to the benefit of EV customers.

[@Imperial_Dynamics]

Hi from Greece. Great video comparison.

[@claus2463]

Fantastic review, more reviews like this, next?! Zeekr 7X Vs a European electric SUV of similar size..

[@suizhiluo3254]

Battery swap function can be the most important feature of ONVO comparing to all rivals! It's just fast and smooth. But Model Y still deserves respects indeed.

[@steve251157]

Nice review, I’ve driven the NioEL6 for the last year (fantastic vehicle) and earlier today I notice ONVO have opened a store in my local Beijing mall. I spent 15 minutes looking at the L60 and have to say I was impressed, better value for money than the model Y (which I considered buying before I went for the ES6). On my drive home from the mall I followed a brand new (unregistered) model Y and at the traffic lights I could see that panel gap on the tailgate differed significantly between left and right side (~10mm v ~6mm) if it was my car I would have rejected it.

[@nio4128]

ONVO is King!! 👌

[@egregoreflamboyant1675]

I love this car. It’s a great blend of the Model Y, Polestar 4, and even the BMW X4. However, in France, the main issues will likely be the price and the driver assistance system. None of the Chinese manufacturers have yet developed a driver assistance system that works well on European roads. Another concern is the excessive alerts and notifications. In Europe, driving is more relaxed, often with lively kids in the car, not just quiet parents. But I’m confident that all brands will adapt their systems to fit the market, just like they adjust car suspensions

[@jayzee316]

This is a great analysis!!

[@iskandarhadi]

best ev channel handsdown!

[@Swervin82]

Excellent comparison. Very informative and interesting. Keep up the good work!

[@badimpulses17]

As far as design Tesla is not the gold standard.

[@davidstuart8535]

ONVO L60 with battery swapping is the clear winner

[@lne176]

I like your videos and presentations very much - well done! What I find a tad unfair in this video is to compare the Nio battery swap to the Tesla charging - outside China this is really not an option. How do the two cars compare when charged the old fashioned way?

[@telescopesh]

Their charging speed is just about equal, both in peak rate and sustained average.

[@cartermiller2705]

@@telescopeshthank you. That was my question as well. Great video! Abraço do Brasil 🇧🇷 Looking forward to more Chinese EV options here after recent visit from President Xi in Brasilia 💪

[@stephenogrady267]

EVs built without battery swap capability are obsolete as soon as they roll off the assembly line. The battery technology is changing to fast to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a battery that will be obsolete in 4 to 5 years.

[@DailyBeatings]

Battery swap is a good way to amortize the cost of the battery if you plan on changing your vehicle every 4-5 years. If you plan on keeping the vehicle longer then purchasing the battery and having the swap option is preferable since the total cost will be lower and a battery upgrade is always available. Either way it's a win-win for the consumer.

[@nilurrea2689]

There's also the problem with batteries... the more you use them the less capacity they have, specially if you use the hypercharging. It happens with phones... brand new they can last 2 days without charging easily but after 1-2 years of use it can barely last a day without having it to charge it again.

[@bidiudy]

Great format for comparative reviews. I request you you to make more reviews comparing the best emerging EV models with the highest selling EV in each sub segment. It will be entertaining, widely appreciated and will truly advance the state of the art. Of course , I want to see the sticker price in the beginning as well as end of the video. Thanks.

[@indetrucks]

Great review and comparison. Thank you

[@dennisd9804]

Interesting to see this comparison between the Model Y and the ONVO L60. Thanks for sharing!

[@miskomarkovic3446]

Thank you! Great work

[@AliNajafies]

Very informative video. Thank you. Even though the design is subjective, I guess ONVO L60 would attract more people design-wise.

[@Edward-THC]

Wow what a gift for me this video is, my two largest positions are TSLA and NIO.

[@samsonabanni9562]

You speak so well. You are good at what you do

[@ReanimaterR]

Such a great review! May I ask that you review a topic -- secondhand market in China and any options for selling secondhand to Europe or USA?

[@gery4870]

PLEASE More tests like this one from Chinese EV !! As a western, I would love to know energy consumption tests (as real as this ones) to realise how efficiency improvment have chinese EV got ! Thanks so much for this consumption test !! Greetings from Barcelona :)

[@David_Polak]

How come the Tesla model Y is a top seller in China, with so many more luxurious Chinese alternatives? I'm surprised it's still doing so well.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Cults are cults

[@4literv6]

Because tesla is the superior proven reliable choice. 2nd oldest modern day pure ev company. And has made the most pure evs. So for those of us who aren't on our knees fellating the ccp? We buy what's best per dollar!

[@Aztasu]

Yeah, crazy. In every other big car market Tesla is losing ground but in China people are still buying their overpriced and outdated EVs. And the models do not even look good and are not from a premium brand you can impress your surroundings with.

[@CLS1507]

Bunch of Yilong Ma's slaves dwelling in shanghai and other big cities. That's the reason

[@מדינט]

In China, a car is still to this very day an important status symbol and Tesla still have the "Foreign vibe" to it.

[@Haniyehhhh]

Onvo L60 is way better

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Indeed

[@waynelewis9110]

Not sure if all of these comparisons by NIO itself and others helps ONVO L60. Zeekr 7X is significantly outselling it, with a faster ramp up of production than NIO’s ONVO L60. Zeekr even called out NIO for chasing Model Y too much. Time will tell.

[@pedroaguiarcoelho3770]

Nio always underdelivers Et5 was a disaster regarding sales, even onvo now is slowly ramping up,.and now already talking about a new model, when this One is not even mass produced...​@@waynelewis9110

[@stephenogrady267]

Zeeke is basically giving away their cars with discounts and low gross margins. They can’t continue this.

[@waynelewis9110]

@@stephenogrady267 That’s not true. Zeekr and NIO have similar ASPs. Zeekr’s Q2 ASP was over $34k, while NIO’s was over $37k. That’s only around a 9% difference. Zeekr’s margins were also higher than NIO’s. Also, NIO’s scaling effect is not as good as Zeekr’s, as NIO sells 8 models (9 including ONVO L60), while Zeekr sells 5 (6 including the Mix). NIO gives out *way* more freebies than Zeekr. Over half of NIO owners have lifetime free battery swapping, for instance. Extremely sluggish Europe sales on NIO’s part. *NIO* can’t continue this.

[@imran-madraswala]

Onvo is much better

[@CarComparos]

Launched 4 years later, the Onvo ought to have been 10-20% more efficient.

[@metricstormtrooper]

The best thing about the envo, is you can buy one without giving One Cent to Musk.

[@anton_grahn]

Great comparison! Will be interesting to see what the updated Model Y brings :)

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

A screen in the back and some pretty lights 😂😆.

[@sculpt-media]

@@onetwothreefour-s1nkeep dreaming. It will smoke all this.

[@tren133]

I think one misperception you might get from this video is that the Model Y has been like this since 2020. I don't think that's true, and Tesla has been doing incremental improvements on its most important model over the years, even if the sheetmetal hasn't changed. That would extend to constantly trying to improve the Y's efficiency. So with that in mind, the updated Y will certainly bring some cosmetic changes, and probably remove stuff like the stalks (boooo!!!!), but I wouldn't expect some sort of quantum increase in efficiency.

[@TheSmallbug]

And one point is missing: what is the price difference? Onvo do not outperform only in technical but also in pricing terms.

[@spartahill]

Great episode. 15:54 The caveat that you did not want to seem like you were presenting Onvo as a landslide is unfounded. Your channel presents information through a fact-driven lens; thus, no caveats are necessary. In full disclosure, I'm a Weilai fan and investor; still, reviews like this lay bare what many already know and what the world will soon discover concerning the resolve of many Chinese EV/tech brands.

[@disarchitected]

@@spartahill That they mostly aren’t any good, not cheap and severely over hyped?

[@paouvous]

On a regular drive in my MIC Model Y RWD I don't touch the brakes. Unless something unexpected happens. Does the regulatory drive cycles involve heavy braking?? I would not expect them to. Assuming you had a regular drive the CRBS should not be much of a factor

[@urbanstrencan]

Definitely choosing ONVO when available in Europe

[@andromob9547]

Maaaaaan, still considering model Y!

[@familiahh5146]

My Zeekr 001 2022 have one pedal drive, but I was disappointed to see later models don’t have if

[@warkel]

"Gentle" 💀💀💀

[@AlfarrisiMuammar]

-100 social credit. forbidden to take out loans and have credit cards.

[@smurftums]

"Lenient" is the word that should be used when referring to how rigorous the CLTC testing cycle is. :)

[@gildasarnaud-gallin596]

Nice review. Onvo did good job. You forgit the MY frunk 😄 for the Tesla fans. Hope Onvo will rampup worldwide.

[@GTI_CHHA]

Another great review. I suspect a re-run early 2025 with the Juniper... Tesla really has to up their game in the quality department.

[@tvguide4khv]

Tesla sells not a car. Platform and company stability. Mature software.

[@nachocollantes7602]

Very very interesting video. I think ONVO it's just better in practically all parameters. What I didn't get is how ONVO charges. I know the swap thing but I would like to know how it charges.

[@tvguide4khv]

Few more talking points -- 1. Lack of 120/240V sockets in Tesla M3Y it brings a lot of problems with unsafe 12V equipment and invertors. Rivals Wins for now. 2. Heat Pump performance in complex situations/climate. Tesla Wins.

[@someoneneintown]

Xpeng Europe also has no one-pedal drive mode. Xpeng should consider offering it in Europe to be competitive with Tesla.

[@pascalhugelier9002]

Interesting info about the one pedal drive limitation and legislation in China. Now I understand why here in Europe Chinese cars don't come to a full stop when releasing the pedal.

[@Drgnrt]

Great video, at the end I'd add that the L60 is far better looking.

[@angelozhangS]

“gentle" got me brust in tears

[@wassimratel2133]

Might be a stupid question, have you verified the speed with GPS on both cars? Cause the speedometer usually doesn't show the real speed.

[@rocketsciencedesign]

Look forward to Nio/Onvo hitting the New Zealand market ... eventually. The L60 in my opinion is a better looking vehicle than the Y.

[@dreogrande2491]

Cannot wait to

[@ngjs3301]

Great presenter 👍

[@radioproph-essor1372]

What in the Lotus Eletre is that!!!

[@disarchitected]

Big issue here is believing the car on its energy efficiency figures. Bjorn Nyland for example doesn’t. He literally exhausts the battery and connects up his own metering equipment, then comments on how accurate the cars reporting is. Tesla is really quite accurate. Other brands can be hilariously off. I think it the Nio EL6, it was just a range count down / fixed calculation, rather than computing based on real world conditions.

[@htsyami]

Be prepared to remake this video when Tesla releases the refreshed Model Y. It’ll set the standard once again. All this competition is great, makes everyone improve on their products.

[@saleh45251]

not paying money to that garbage musk

[@vigtuz]

I like the design much better in L60 model contra model Y

[@99946tv]

Nio , Onvo are the best ❤❤

[@Seriouspatt]

Wow, the Onvo is awesome. Why'd anyone in China buy a Tesla now.

[@maomaoya9527]

特斯拉一直在降价！现在还有5年免息！以及很多马斯克的粉丝。

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

​@@maomaoya9527correct. It's the cult of personality. Same here in the USA.

[@ulysseskh]

16:19 Well 🙏🏻 ~ 真係 “唔講 … (就)唔知” 啊 😏！ 原來 😮 *Tesla* 是 _沒有_ *Cooperative Regenerative Brake Systems (CRBS)* 的 🙄🙄🙄❗

[@Tiper23]

No frunk in the ONVO? I have a Mustang Mach E, that has both one-pedal drive and a big frunk. Two things a value very much in an EV car.

[@user-tx9zg5mz5p]

Compare the Avatar 12. It's way better than both of them 😊

[@VxO4fame]

CLTC . Sorry i had to laugh. Because china established a test that is even worse than the WLTP rating.

[@MrVeeBlog]

You had me at NOT Tesla.

[@EdGoodwill]

I think it's premature to say Onvo is optimized for CLTC cycle, and Tesla is optimized for EPA cycle. Electrical motors have high efficiency at different RPMs, and manufacturers have to consider real world use scenarios, not just test cycles, it's unlikely for ONVO to optimize for low speed driving, as a lot of people will drive it on highways and evaluate its consumption. Another factor affecting high speed energy consumption is that the underbody of Onvo L60 is not as streamlined as Tesla as it has to support swap-able battery, and hence more drag.

[@tvguide4khv]

Local VS Global

[@AGeekDad]

Love my 2024 Model Y LR. Backed NIO in the stock market when they were at about 60/share. Dollar cost averaged, but they kept tanking. Had to bail earlier this year. I wish them well though, they seem like a great company.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Driving a Tesla is pathetic

[@kasterkemal]

❤NIO❤

[@I_Can_See_You_952]

I will personally buy Onvo L60 but majority of people will prefer Tesla bcoz of the brand name.

[@dondion5850]

The new Tesla Model Y "Juniper" is coming. i'm curious to see how it will turn out because it's an old car by now.

[@rededwards3479]

I thought you were going to have a RACE between the cars.

[@dullumullu]

Tesla still seems to have the better SW, especially the GUI. Also not very fair comparing different tyres with different Rolling Resistance. ONVO has much lower RR. And you never mentioned that the ONVO reaches a similar Energy Efficiency as the Tesla, but the ONVO has a 900 V+ System whereas the Tesla still has the old 400V (and is 4 years older). So amazing is the ONVO really not. Design and Styling is also not on par with Tesla. If anything specific Efficiency, is higher on the Tesla. Onvo Exterior looks much cheaper Onvo Interior is a 1 to 1 copy of the Tesla MY.

[@jasimaquil9030]

Sure Elon is going to Mars, according to Nasa we live in a closed system

[@521mickey]

Just Battery swap ONVO wins the game no doubt!!! 5years of driving TSLA value depreciate much much more than ONVO

[@heylookitsthetruth]

Nio L60 has regen, reclining back seats, leg support, navigation in the windshield, battery swap, more efficient, better look, and Tesla has none of those.

[@msas]

Great video! 👏 Thanks for the comparison. The Tesla loses already on every single level not only because of the abominable lack of necessary sensors for assisted driving (vision only is utter bs) but because of Elon Musk. He’s the main reason to not buy a Tesla. Ever. But anyways, could you do another test this time comparing an Onvo L60 against an XPENG G6?

[@dusselElite]

Can you comment on why you think that Tesla won't be able to offer the new FSD in China next year?

[@aliruz4800]

What about the weight of these two cars??

[@ulysseskh]

5:55 使用「動能回收」的策略 …

[@NiejakiDD]

Actually, interior in Teslas, no matter which model - is cheap. Really cheap. Onvo is more or less the same, BUT Onvo has HUD - a big +. And one more thing moment - resale value - is higher in Onvo because the battery has be replaced for new one in NIO automatic replacement station. That's why any Tesla has actually no resale value due to lack of battery replacement. Onvo trumps Tesla and wins decisively this comparison.

[@leotek..]

6:00 min: complete nonsense. at urban speed, be it in shanghai or anywhere else in the world, you rarely ever need to touch the brake pedal in a tesla, except if you drive it contrary to the way it is meant to be driven. having said that, the l60 is no doubt an excellent ev.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Calm down fanboy. Don't you have some immigrants to turn over to the police?

[@naga2015kk]

could you expand your coverage to car industry in general. Of particular interest on car design studio etc. Why are they all LOOK A LIKE even in a competitive market? Why the ugly grille vents are still around? Why the very limited rear view still exist AFTER so many years in the market, arent the studio reacting to consumer feedback? Car companies are going bankrupt but there is no divergence.....

[@LLLLLLEON216]

All Tesla has now in China is its brand name. Almost every other dimension has now been surpassed by Chinese EVs in the same price range, like comfort, self-driving, infotainment, voice control, utility, turning radius, material, interior design, acceleration, charging speed, etc. The removal of the turning stalks only made things worse for Tesla.

[@oneplanetearth]

Chinese just needs to be patriotic. Buy local

[@riso8297]

Hope not just a static one 🙏

[@mikequin2264]

Now do a crash test