The ONVO L60 will destroy Tesla in China

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

You are the first English language reviewer driving the onvo I've seen! Go Elliot!

[@anthonyskorupski]

@reginald7214 lol dig deeper...

[@MichaelMartinussen]

@@anthonyskorupski Please show him then. It often depends on where and how you are situated - like country, hardware, operating system, browser etc etc.... :)

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

​@@anthonyskorupskiChina driven and the telescope dropped after this one for me in the USA.

[@Z-add]

Wheelsboy has driven it as well

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@Z-add Indeed

[@lm3718]

I love Elliot's takes on the China scene.

[@kumbackquatsta]

nio swap capability is key. glad to see it included

[@TomasAngelus]

Nio swap is only good for stupid people.

[@shijersey8336]

if I can choose I would choose to buy ONVO but not model Y in the US

[@NIOFAN001]

I love this ONVO

[@BE-kv6dc]

I totally agree. NII is the future and one day soon will be the king of EV 🚀🚀🚀🔥🔥🔥

[@niosanfrancisco]

See you at ONVO launch? I’ll be there.

[@Haniyehhhh]

William Li deserves all the success. Instead of ripping consumers off like every other brand, he's actually making amazing products at fair prices that anyone can afford.

[@MichaelMartinussen]

Beautiful scenery :) ... I certainly agree in your perspective about the cars you present and love to get a different peak into China. Much different from the MSM from my part of the world :)

[@electricelliotrichards]

Thanks Michael

[@edc1569]

They are still terrorising Philippines fishermen tho, but you know Elon is trying to end democracy so pick your poison.

[@MichaelMartinussen]

@@electricelliotrichards And hope you are ok after the storm :)

[@NIOTrending]

NIO Stock Sentiment ✅👀 Thanks Elliot 😁🙏

[@Harrythehun]

How will Onvo help Nio with profitability and brand value? Or is Nio doomed to fail and sell all swap stations to other investors?

[@wheresjman]

One key feature you didn’t mention was the camping mode and how the front seats fold down flat which can also be controlled by the rear screen. Also onvo won’t be using lidar even though the horns show, which is factored into the lower price

[@jakey39]

watching this video and indeed all reviews of the latest Chinese EV's, it feels as if Tesla got to where it is and then totally lost interest in moving forward. Esp around their promised self driving, or even self parking, yet most brands outside of the states have self park now, without having to pay extra for.

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

I agree, Elon is too busy pandering to Trump, or being an idiot on X, move along Elon others are here to offer the public what they want.

[@kumbackquatsta]

that's colonialism 101, unsurprising coming from someone like elon. that's why the uk is imploding now.

[@fredricgrethel1717]

Elmo is a fool. He is a bootlicker to a wannabe dictator. What a shame he has fallen into this stupid grift and madness. He is destroying Tesla and his other companies. They continue, but less important and soon to be lapped by others doing the work and focusing on business and not madness

[@anton_grahn]

Model Y refresh is coming in Q1 2025, let’s wait and see!

[@danharold3087]

I expect Tesla has several designs to replace 3 and Y. But it would be ignorant to replace the best selling car in the world with another so long as it was the best selling car or close to it. The CyberTruck is now the best selling electric pickup in the US and the best selling luxury vehicle over $100K in the US. On 10/10 Tesla will introduce the robo taxi car and possibly other cars. This seems to be moving forwards to me.

[@AndreaDeBernardi]

EU doesn't want me to have the nice things...

[@Lewis_Standing]

Oi Plebs buy wn EV and stop your carbon emissions No not the cheap affordable ones in loads of supply from China, buy our crappy expensive ones with a big wait time instead 🫣

[@rastkogalovic4027]

Norway will have no tariffs

[@AndreaDeBernardi]

@@rastkogalovic4027 Norway is not EU

[@Jeroenneman]

Ignorant take. The EU does want you to have nice things, hence why allowing state-subsidized EV's from China isn't in your best interest. Short term, you might save a couple bucks on a new EV. In the long term, China will do exactly what they did in solar: exterminate the European competition by dumping loads of cheap panels onto the market, then jacking prices once your country has no more manufacturers left. There's no competing against a manufacturer that can lead losses for years on end with the backing of the CCP.

[@AndreaDeBernardi]

​@@Jeroenneman i have a roof full AFFORDABLE and not "cheap" Chinese panels There's a difference. Let's wait until Germany will be forced to save VW I do not want Chinese EVs to save a couple of bucks, i want them beacouse they are BETTER There's a difference.

[@davidpearn5925]

I prefer the dark screen mode to sharpen up clarity.

[@QK..]

Absolute wow. 12kWh a 100km.

[@MaxStock9871]

Chinese people blindly buy Tesla cars for its name. This is the biggest challenge to overcome for Nio.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Correct. The cult is strong

[@Haniyehhhh]

Chinese people are like sheep. They love anything foreign, too, even if their own domestic brands are better.

[@passby8070]

not for long, look how Apple is faring

[@danharold3087]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n Call it a cult if you like. More like a main stream religion among electric car buyers.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@danharold3087 weird that the sales growth has gone to zero. Must have maxed out the flock .

[@martina5328]

Battery fails with a Tesla = scrap the car. With a NIO, you can purchase a new battery, and swap it in. It makes no sense to buy a Tesla with the battery integrated in the chassis.

[@stockdetective4396]

Tesla It’s like buying an iPhone 😂

[@magnuslarsson337]

The exterior design is a Model Y Juniper with Volvo Thors hammer front lights and an Skoda Enyaq sportback rear.

[@dougleamann3828]

Fabulous review Elliot

[@jansenwilder1335]

The L60 is a challenge against its local rival Xpeng G6, does it drives and handles better than the G6.. ?both have similar body design and interior.

[@Rob_Dekker]

According to my google search the AWD is 200kg heavier than the G6 Performance and 350kg heavier than the Model Y dual motor. The interior is indeed very similar of the G6

[@MaxStock9871]

The best part of G6 is its autonomous driving. As an owner of G6 and Model 3, I prefer G6 to Model 3 because G6's autonomous driving on a city street is amazingly good and getting better every month. People usually don't know how good it is. Chinese people blindly buy Tesla cars for its name.

[@scott9688]

Does the Xpeng G6 have battery swap?...No...Check out what the depreciation is for an EV without battery after swap after 6 years compared to a NIO/Onvo with battery swap...Battery swap wins everytime...

[@coz2j69]

Why NIO did not install a inner cover for the glass roof of ONVO L60? Maybe sometimes the driver of the car do not want any light to enter the car from the roof

[@David_Financial]

There must be a reason. Because a lot of the Ev’s in the states don’t either.

[@danharold3087]

Not that I have any experience with these glass roofs. But it is said they block a lot of UV and are pleasant with the bright sun. IDK expect it depends on the person as well as the car.

[@David_Financial]

@@coz2j69 I have a Porsche Taycan and it’s not a problem.

[@Francis-of8cw]

Price.

[@IOSARBX]

Elliot Richards on EVs, Wow, this made my day brighter! Thank you!

[@peterbunker7165]

Nice one, Elliot.

[@Harrythehun]

When will Onvo be available for release? Tesla and the Model Y is being updated soon, will the competitors be able to compete with it?

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

The 19th. Model y refresh is going to be as pathetic as the model 3 refresh

[@MrExplion]

Problem about onvo L60 is that the demand over supply. Build more factories please

[@123-action6]

Nio is likely to develop a truck that resembles the Cybertruck?

[@08Derrock]

ONVO is amazing!!!!!

[@jaz4280]

Coming to Europe and UK markets?

[@mohammedrahman933]

Such a quality video. Loved the honesty of pointing out your best and worst parts.

[@Dave-Oliveira]

I just bought the L60! Can't come fast enough now~~~

[@electricelliotrichards]

Great choice! What were you deciding between?

[@Dave-Oliveira]

@@electricelliotrichards Thx looked at Nio, IM, Xpeng, Tesla, BYD. At 149k rmb with BAAS price wise only BYD seemed to be able to match but that's such an old language vehicle. Also really looking at swapping as an essential so..

[@pieterfourie4983]

Another great review thanks Elliot. Does it have Vehicle to Load capability? With increasing power outages and at your remote cabin in the woods it will a key feature in future

[@electricelliotrichards]

Yes I think it does, it’s almost standard on most models here now.

[@HamadWasim]

Rightly said this SUV and coupe mix is the worst of both worlds.

[@fleachamberlain1905]

I dislike SUVs altogether, but I'd surmise that the SUV coupe is about recuperating some aerodynamics. Afterall, sedans are shaped like they are for aerodynamics and the coupe style SUV is heading towards a sedan shape.

[@urbanstrencan]

What a great job by NIO and it's ONVO brand, it's direct Tesla Model Y competition 😊❤. and for todays standards it's actually not heavy for SUV. Now they need to make small sedan on the same platform 😊😊 Great video Elliot

[@UrbanGuitarLegend]

My name is Elliot. YES!!!!!

[@markshepperson3603]

2.20 in and……..and….I like the style.

[@dyemanoz]

The review rightly emphasises that the L60 is targeted at Tesla Model Y, but while you highlight the areas where the ONVO beats the Tesla, you did not mention that the Tesla trunk space (>850 litres) is way more than the ONVO (less than 600 litres).

[@someuser7501]

if it is self-driving...why are YOU driving?? FSD in a Tesla is so addicting..you can't help but use it. It's like using your phone to pay for stuff instead of cash.

[@Adriansqpants]

Very good video 😊 my cousins in China already pre ordered it! I want one too when I move back to GZ

[@99946tv]

Nio and Onvo , the best ❤❤

[@SPCE_BOYY]

this car is to drool for 🤤

[@zrtlsq9905]

nice car, i hope to own 1 in the close future.

[@magic2506]

Ok but, is it for sale in US?

[@Z-add]

Other channels have mentioned onvo uses byd batteries.

[@fr3238]

Current Model Y owner here. This is an interesting car. Living in the Nordics I'm interested in knowing how well the car is rust protected, how well the AWD works on snow and ice and how easy it is to get into the car a frosty winter morning.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Sweet cult mobile man. Maybe leave the cult whining for a Tesla pump site next time?

[@fr3238]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n The only cult here is the Tesla hating one. When Tesla stops making the best cars I'll leave.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@fr3238 that was extraordinary. You hit 2 cult tent poles in one reply. "It's not me it's you" and " the ends justify the means". Well done sir, gold star. Keep spreading the good word. Hail Elon!

[@fr3238]

@@onetwothreefour-s1nCommon hater, you need to do better, Model Y still the best selling car world wide.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@fr3238 I do admire that you're able to stick your head in the sand. Imagine letting someone else do your thinking for you, it's just so much easier. Well, enjoy your hilarious looking car. Make sure you keep up with your blue checkmark payments. the results are all that matters. Hail Elon.

[@IOSARBX]

Elliot Richards on EVs, great video keep up the great content

[@benedictchin5261]

That modem sound. Have not heard it in almost 2 decades...

[@daviddang82]

Wish they brought this to US

[@kumbackquatsta]

review the mona m03 next

[@QK..]

Better buy Onvo L60.

[@networm78]

​@@QK.. the M03 is a sedan and is around 80,000 RMB cheaper. They are addressing completely different market segments.

[@QK..]

@@networm78 with BaaS too?

[@networm78]

@@QK.. Not everyone likes to tie themselves to a subscription after they've paid for the car. But again, the M03 is a sedan. People looking for a sedan in the 150,000 RMB range will not consider ONVO or NIO. That's just reality.

[@ahpong]

Thanks for the hands-on review. Looks like I have to opt for the Xpeng G6😅 Greetings from Thailand

[@Drini666]

You forgot to mention the easyfix in the back =D

[@tooflesstesla]

Uncle John and Auntie Mildred? 02:00 🤔 What's the Chinese equivalent please? 😂

[@bhimkhanal9137]

When they are coming to USA?

[@sammaimas155]

At twice the price with the 100% tariff.

[@MatrixJockey]

Never

[@Steven-vo4ee]

@@MatrixJockeyWouldn’t count on never

[@ajwo5984]

@@Steven-vo4eeyou don’t know how this works

[@edc1569]

Why would they?

[@Klassicmix]

You mean the body and interior design is made from copying 83% of Tesla model Y..the problem is Nio copies Tesla design there cars so how can dey get ahead of who dey keep coping.

[@TheChinaEVShow]

Is your auntie named Mildred by chance ? 😂

[@jsanders100]

No more fully charged reviews then?

[@jonathanHadley-p2l]

When can we get it in the uk 😍

[@barylmandrillen]

1:33 so much agree with you. Why SUV coupe, it really under performs in practically. Either make it an SUV or a low sedan which is even more efficient, if that's what you're looking for. Personally, I'll go for practicality any day, and pay a little more for charging, it is not much more compared to the overall TCO anyway.

[@teofilol2666]

Auntie Mildred going to Tesco? I think Nio not going to like it 😅

[@songyop]

No lidar on this vehicle, mate!

[@chaz4609]

Jai Hinduja. Most EVs will come with 10 years or lifelong battery warranty. However batteries should be regularly swapped out to make sure that the batteries are still and always in good conditions.

[@danharold3087]

Yes the same as ICE engines! LOL

[@kdubspencer3390]

Looks like the genesis gv60 and model y had a baby . I dont mean that in a bad way lol

[@dazkhan5717]

When is it coming to 🇬🇧

[@Rob_Dekker]

I googled the weight, since I didn't hear it: Curb weight is 2320 kg (RWD) or 2400 kg (AWD). That's way more kilos than the Model Y dual motor and even more than the XPeng G6 AWD. You're going to notice that.

[@joosblankers]

The weight is actually 1,885 kg for the standard battery and 1,970 kg for the bigger battery. So not to bad, almost 200 kg lighter than my Skoda Enyaq.

[@heliosasher]

That data is wrong. It’s 1800+ kg. Lighter than Model Y

[@flukeylukey7559]

Na it's no where near that heavy

[@anthonyskorupski]

such a nice car....

[@zodiacfml]

unbelievable rear head and legroom! This is the updated Model Y Tesla could dream of. In fairness, Tesla teased that they will use parts of their next gen platform on existing cars. In other words, a Model Y could be updated to match the technology of this Onvo in 2025. Is this the first Chinese EV to use 800-900V "motor"?

[@danharold3087]

What I remember is that Tesla would be using existing assembly lines to build 2 (IRRC) new cars that will incorporate part of the modularity from the unboxed system. The Robo Taxi and Model 2 will be fully unboxed.

[@kasterkemal]

NIO😍

[@havencat9337]

many people never seen a NIO on the road and sit in one...the quality of materials inside, its over Tesla any day, and I say this as a British person that knows luxury. Haven been in a Onvo yet...but if its better quality interior then TEsla then people will buy them

[@Welly6858]

Me and my wife are both Tesla MY owners. I recently went to the Melbourne EV show and compared the XPENG g6 and Zeeker cars. If you British people like luxury cars, definitely buy Zeeker which is one level above XPENG which is also felt and touched better than my MY. Tesla tech is already outdated (apart from FSD which has not been released yet). It will be interesting to see how the EV industry goes in the next few years! I will buy probably a Zeeker car next.

[@SomewhereInTheSolarSystem]

Great car, and very beautiful. The Luxeed R7 is also amazing, but they will only destroy Tesla if people stop buying from Tesla. Both are way better than the MY.

[@80y3r9]

Love you sass

[@peter4499]

THE TITLE…LOL!

[@anton_grahn]

1825th claimed Tesla killer, lets wait and see…

[@badhairday_247]

Tesla aren’t worried about NIO. 😂

[@kumbackquatsta]

and elon himself will destroy tesla everywhere else

[@Steven-vo4ee]

He’s doing a fine job of doing so, along with Twitter and his reputation (what’s left of it).

[@brendanfromireland]

With any luck Elon destroys himself so badly he fades into obscurity

[@frederiklarsen6946]

For sure a TESLA model Y killer😍

[@jazzviewer]

u sound like a 75 year old man lol.......thats a beautiful exterior--and the whole world loves it,obviously...ask Porcshe

[@pgale]

So if it has so much more and better aero then tesla how come it can only go 1klm further ?

[@danharold3087]

And with all that aluminum why is it about 100 kg heavier?

[@pgale]

@@danharold3087 while closing fast especially with the bells and whistles still few aspects to be on par or better then Tesla tech wise. Tesla will have to lift their game or drop price just the same.

[@danharold3087]

@@pgale Bell and whistles only seem to trump engineering in China. Yet the Y is still the best selling model in China. Do you expect Tesla to sell cars for a loss because China is handing out more money to its car makers?

[@pgale]

@@danharold3087 Tesla can down their prices as cars are least profitable and growth part of business. The other parts of their business make a truckload of cash.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Morning Elliot and that ONVO L60 looks bloody good but so do so many different Chinese cars

[@balancosmin9655]

niceeee

[@captives6479]

Won't be available in North America.

[@JosephPuleo]

NIO 🚀

[@melonmelon2848]

1km more range! Ok, that's the size comparison I like to see

[@electricelliotrichards]

I’m making sure to cover to important comparisons

[@cd7707a]

I doubt ONVO will survive as Elon famos quote it is not difficult to make a new EV but we have seen so many failures as companies one after another run out of capital as they aren't able to scale to lower costs as well as generate free cashflow. NIO burnt through 3B in the past few years and still not profitable. BYD is but per ev profits around 5000 yuan while tesla is around 60000 yuan. So China car market is so competitive everyone now moved on to hybrid to lower the sticker price by lowering the cost of batteries needed. ONVO entering the market at the worst time don't think they can sell enough to scale. How much do you think NIO pays for the batteries from CATL versus Tesla who is the biggest customer of CATL as BYD makes its own battery? This is why Tesla margin is so much higher.

[@avriljil]

Nice but it come at the wrong moment because of xpeng Mona 3

[@shincupper]

Different target market.

[@QK..]

Mona 3 is way cheaper. Onvo is way better. They got better chips/swap/driving/interior quality.

[@danharold3087]

@@QK.. Time will tell. It always does.

[@simonpaine2347]

This sounds like what the Model Y should have been updated to over the years. Trust the Chinese to copy and improve what we want.

[@danharold3087]

There have been another round of failed Tesla killers out there every year for over a decade. What do you feel will make this one real? Tesla has a refreshed Y in the works that some say are osborning Y sales.

[@simonpaine2347]

@@danharold3087 The refreshed Y seems like a concept of a plan.

[@simonpaine2347]

@@danharold3087 What makes me feel that this one is ANOTHER real competitor is the fact that Tesla sales are slowing while the competitors sales are steady or growing.

[@danharold3087]

@@simonpaine2347 The only competitor is BYD. If you add the cars sold by other than BYD or Tesla. they total less than the sales of BYD or Tesla. People are waiting for the model Y refresh in most markets.

[@danharold3087]

@@simonpaine2347 Call it what you like. Suppliers say Q1 2025 release.

[@aairosa]

Pity it's full features are only available for Chinese speaking. Maybe it doesn't make sense, but like Nio, the software it's NOT completely multilingual. English it's not fully available in China. The mobile app only works in Chinese and voice commands ONLY works in Chinese even if you are running Banyan in English in the car.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Bloody cracking cars that are coming out I can't keep up and Tesla do lots more than just cars vans trucks bikes Cheers mate

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

Can see a bit of Porsche, Volvo and Tesla in the exterior design, the interior looks fantastic, it looks similar to Tesla but much better, and not removing things like gear change levers / buttons for the sake of doing so to make the driving experience more annoying, I think this will sell like hotcakes in Australia, bring it on.

[@tangerinestorm]

When do these come to the UK?

[@djtaylorutube]

I had a period of buying cheap Chinese smartphones. I'm general they were great value but typically missed done functionality, often NFC for example. They ALL shared one thing though, pretty much lack of manufacturer support for software updates. Some had no update function at all, some might get one or two updates if very new. That's where I'd be asking questions, commitment for ongoing long term support. That's where Tesla excels.

[@wwbren]

Talking about experiences with phones and then suddenly 'Testa excels' as if they make smartphones. Sure, whatever floats your boat.

[@manuelbarreto7032]

Nio is better than Tesla on costumer support and updates 😊

[@keelferm]

My OnePlus phone, Chinese made (as is your average iPhone I hasten to add) is bloody brilliant with six years of updates and guaranteed battery health for four years. China are so far ahead of the game in terms of tech production.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

You just couldn't contain the fanboy, could you? Never go full fanboy

[@djtaylorutube]

@@wwbren It was just an example. China produces lots of stuff but in some cases offers absolutely no long term or even short term support. It's an example of a concern that I would have with brands that have little or no presence in the UK and will I get updates and for how long? It's a reasonable concern. Just having a nice body and shell isn't all that's involved with cars these days. Look at Fisker as an example of what goes wrong. Nothing at all against Chinese manufacturers, UK has no car industry so nothing to protect but I'm just airing my concerns.

[@SantosValario]

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[@ColeHauser-u2u]

Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly? I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??

[@SantosValario]

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[@SantosValario]

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[@UKRAINENEEDSYOU]

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[@SkyeLowerson]

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[@GM-lq7sw]

So far....it has not destroyed anything....

[@clairedelune2725]

Bye bye Tesla, Elon and its arrogance 😂

[@229andymon]

I cant get my head round why you need a heated steering wheel, or leg rests, or seats etc when you can heat the whole cabin. Seat massage, yeah, get that, but heated?

[@danharold3087]

Some prefer to heat the seat and wheel while keeping the cabin cooler. People who live with long term cold love the heated wheels.

[@Mr.Carter777]

You driving this EVs in warm conditions . I live in Canada.I wonder how would they permorfm on -20C btw Tesla model Y haves Heat pump

[@danharold3087]

Not only does the Y have a heat pump. But they have a mode to make the motor generate some heat to kick start the heat pump in the coldest weather. Octovalve

[@adicahya]

Nio suddenly has Onvo, Xpeng Suddenly has Mona. Are they related ? is the myth that Chinese have a common platform for everything true ? Anyway Elliot, make a video comparison between the two ya

[@Evergreensands]

Good looking car and well priced. European and US car manufacturers will be sweating 😓

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

These things are of dubious safety and quality but suit yourself in believing CCP propaganda

[@wwbren]

This can battery swop, Tesla can't. End of conversation.

[@4literv6]

Tesla was first in 2013 with battery swaps on the model S and decided it was pointless=the end! 👍🏻

[@imanshaf8429]

@@4literv6 They stopped because they realized battery swap is quite cash-intensive. So stop lying with it being "pointless". Also, they were the EV mass market pioneer and they didn't need swap capability to dominate.

[@someuser7501]

@imanshaf8429 @wwbren Yes not buying the battery saves on the up-front auto price tremendously. This is a great idea to make EVs widespread..until unscrupulous selfish $%^ people start clandestinely opening the battery packs and start pinching a few batteries here and there so they can build their own battery pack and then swap the corrupted pack for another one (Insert Meme: This is why we can't have great things). You then begin to wonder how safe that battery is for the next family getting it swapped into their car...especially when it comes to horrific fires. I'd rather stick with my own battery that nobody has touched...because I know for a fact &%$^ people ruin some of the greatest things ever invented.

[@johnbentley6925]

Finally someone who points out that this body style is the worst of all worlds! Well done Elliot !

[@anton_grahn]

Impossible to make a really boxy ”traditional” shape and keep a good Cd, I think it is a reasonable compromise

[@chemicalbuz]

@@anton_grahn better to have an actual boot for a car of this size rather than good cd, if you don't need the boot you don't even need a 2 ton car, better go smaller if you're after great efficiency

[@alko_xo]

Next time a British critic, before publishing a critical European dissection of an electric car from our lesser brothers from China, should order colour correction of his video from a nice teenager from India.

[@keelferm]

Lesser brothers? Can you hear yourself?

[@alko_xo]

@@keelferm Are you shocked at how Westerners perceive the world outside the collective West? What a surprise!