Tempest Filter Catastrophe, avoided.

Tempest up filter fell from brackets and began to empty the pond. Another disaster movie.

[@skeggy]

They are designed to have a wall behind the tempest so you dont have the back and forth . Make yourself a shelf with a hole cut in it to allow the drain valve to pass through it to give it additional support

[@UpNorthKoiPond]

Sorry about the fish Nick, however it could have been a whole lot worse with the tempest situation. They aren't supported very well at all, I'd have expected the unit itself to be supported rather than the joining pipework. I would however recommend you consider doing the relevant checks to pond & fish. Test the water parameters, scrape a few fish. I know you said you treat religiously with FMG but unless you know what you are treating for if anything, and in what quantity, its more or less pointless. Just my advice to you buddy. Take care😊

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the support, and your advice is much apreciated. All the very best. 👍👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the advice, I'll take it on board.👍

[@KoiRun50]

Gutted mate 😢 Beautiful koi. No one would have figured this would happen. Thanks for sharing as I’m sure many will check the security of their brackets to prevent such disasters 🙏🙏

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes, if the wife hadn't been in the garden it could have drained the whole pond. Cheers.👍

[@lyonscultivars]

You could add a stray hilding them together just use some inner spacers so they not binding the fittings

[@sharpelk]

nightmare mate, sorry to hear that. Pretty sure i've seen some metal brackets for these tempest filters which sit under the main body of the filter and support the weight a lot better. I may do mine now i have seen this.

[@pomfretspond588]

Glad it's highlighted the problem, it could have drained the whole pond. I'll look out for the metal brackets. Or look at making some. Cheers.👍👍

[@TelfordKoiPond]

Gutted for your loss🙁. Did you scrape and inspect the dead fish to see if you could identify anything? Narrowly averted a possible disaster with your tempest, hope your run of bad luck has ended👍🈲🐟😊

[@LeTwistedOne]

No point scraping dead fish as I was told by a very reliable source that once y the fish is dead parasites tend to fak orf 👍👍👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Didn't do a scrape because I'd treat the water with a mixture of Malachite Green and Formalin the week before so presumed that would have seen off any parasites. Yes your right it could have been worse. If the wife hadn't been in the garden it could have drained the pond. Thanks for your support.👍

[@pomfretspond588]

No didn't do a scrape because I'd treat the pond with a mixture of Malachite Green and Formalin the week before so thought that would have seen off any parasites. But your right, if the wife hadn't been in the garden it could have drained the pond. Cheers.👍👍

[@greenmachinesweden]

Sorry for your loss mate. I am not surprised the fish reacts different to amonia spikes. Every time you get amonia in the water there will be permanent damage to the gills. That fish has proboably experienced more of them and is big, hence needs more oxygen.

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the advice I always keep an eye on amonia. But the frustrating thing is that the fish has been in the pond for 9 years and the pond wasn't filtered for 4 hot days in summer whilst I fit new filters with no losses. Thanks once again mate. 👍👍

[@greenmachinesweden]

@@pomfretspond588 its allways frustrating loosing a fish. Without those 4 days stop in summer she may possibly be alive today. We all do our best for our fish. Sometimes its just not enough.

[@lyonscultivars]

Sorry to see you lost such a fish.

[@keithandpaulaspondbuild3441]

Really sorry to hear about the koi you lost, interesting insight into the tempest brackets will take that into account as we are considering getting one

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for your thoughts, not lost a fish since so seems a mystery. Discovered it could have been the dog that snapped the bracket!

[@thepeoplespond]

So sorry to hear about you’re koi mate I had a similar experience with my tempest I had stainless steel brackets holding it screwed into a concrete gate post And the whole thing literally fell off the post That was after fitting a draco drum into my nexus and that draining my pond three times in 24 hours and me nearly loosing everything Koi keeping hey

[@pomfretspond588]

I'm looking into some sort of sensor that would send an alarm call when the water level drops below a curtain level. Thanks for sharing your experience.👍

[@FKJ_WORLD]

You might need stronger brackets. Nice looking fish, i think its because of the issue with the filter why the fish was at a stand still, but it sounds as if the fish which died had issues prier to this eventful situation.

[@pomfretspond588]

I agree and will look into something stronger.

[@ces69]

FMG is good for a lot of parasites but won’t really get rid of Flukes if that’s your problem which will need a specific treatment but I’m not too sure how your Sturgeon will cope as they can’t really handle the kind of treatments required for Koi which is why I’ve never added one to my ponds!

[@LeTwistedOne]

Absolutely gutted for you buddy 😢I know exactly what you are saying about the tempest brackets I had to stabilised mine using pipe clamps 😡👍👍👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes, I'll have to make sure it can't happen again, it could have drained the pond.👍

[@hertskoi]

sorry to see the fish was gone great video though i was looking at the tempest at some point

[@CrazyMedic]

Its always gutting when you loose any koi you have looked after since young. Its even worse when they are so large. I lost a 63cm Yamabuki Ogon about 6 weeks ago with no reasoning, he was 22 years in my care. Sorry for you loss……

[@pomfretspond588]

Sorry to hear about your koi, after keeping a fish for years you know their personality and become attached. Thanks for your comment.

[@progressivepondkeeping]

Such a shame losing the big one mate and thank God for the Mrs noticing the tempest 👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes, it could have drained the whole pond. Thanks.👍

[@progressivepondkeeping]

@@pomfretspond588 it happened to me once never again I fitting a float valve straight after it happened

[@pomfretspond588]

@@progressivepondkeeping Will look into a valve. Cheers.👍

[@mykoiobsession]

Sorry to hear about the loss of the koi especially since it was one of your original ones in the pond. Maybe a heart attack? Strange about the brackets for the Tempest. Don't look to sturdy at all. I would suggest finding something to provide additional support to prevent this from happening again.

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks, I'll definitely look at extra support for the Tempests. If the wife hadn't been in the garden and spotted it, it could have drained the pond.👍

[@mykoiobsession]

@@pomfretspond588 Good thing the wife was there for sure. Don't know if it's possible for you but have you thought about installing a float switch to turn the pump off in situations like this. I have a float switch in my pump chamber and if the water drops below a certain level the pump shuts off automatically to prevent the pond emptying accidentally.

[@pomfretspond588]

@@mykoiobsession Great idea, I'll need to do some research. many thanks. 👍

[@Technologyadvisor1]

what happened to the fish ?

[@RoyThe4th]

I bought big hose clamps and used 2

[@pomfretspond588]

Looking for ideas on future proofing. to stop this ever happening again. Many thanks. 👍

[@keithbolger6760]

Hey yer mate I would look out for oversize down pipe brackets. They would strap around the Tempest and will have proper fittings to fix to what ever they're going to be fixed to. ie brick block or in your case timber.

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks, I've been racking my brains thinking of a way to secure it better. For now I've strapped the filters to the wood using heavy duty cable ties. Thanks for the advice.👍

[@alexanderhalliwell2109]

Sorry about the fish Nick. Can't believe that's happened 😳 😕 😢

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks Alex, gutted.😒

[@AKoiEnthusiast]

I've just fitted a Tempest on the Grow on tank and EA defo say the brackets will hold and support the unit but it doesn't fill me with confidence. The extra EA Brackets are £30 online. Sorry to hear about the Koi but here's a new Sub for you. Keep the video's coming

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely take a look at the extra EA brackets, given the Tempest's are out doors. and thanks for your concern and the Sub.👍👍

[@CC-wr2yo]

My pond has been running about 12 years now and all I ever do is treat it for cloverleaf blanketweed killer once a year in spring and keeps it gin clear for the year. I've never had to treat the pond with any other chemicals and never lost a fish to date. Thing is with things like FMG is that it knocks back your filtration. I stay clear of putting any chemicals in my pond (except cloverleaf) and my pond has been fine the whole time. Think people are too quick to dump different chemicals in their pond and excessively scrape their fish. Think they're doing more harm then good. I just clean my pumps and filters every few weeks, have an air stone running and do 10% water changes every couple/few weeks and the pond is always gin clear with no problems. Problem with the koi hobby in my opinion is everyone just follows the herd and buys into all these fancy gimmicks and over priced accessories. Think the key to a healthy pond is to keep it simple and let nature do its thing. That's just my opinion anyway and its always worked for me.

[@pomfretspond588]

Interesting information, thanks for the input, it's appreciated.👍

[@jone4486]

I totally agree with this. I am the same only treatment I have used is cloverfield for blanket weed other than that they get water change around 10-15% every couple of weeks and filters cleaned out every week maybe more in summer and never had a issue with fish or water clarity in over 6 years. I believe that people have switched to a much more sterile environment in their ponds by using chemicals and additives that the parasites have nothing in the pond to cling to but the fish or that the fish have a low immune system as the chemicals usually get rid of them but when do come into contact they can’t naturally defend against. Just my two pennies worth.

[@ces69]

A big problem is that many buy new fish which they add to their pond without out any sort of prior quarantine! We all know dealers SHOULD fully quarantine and treat for issues and not put on sale till fish are 100% clear, unfortunately not all do, and we introduce all sorts of problems to our pond! Having learnt the hard way, no new fish now enter my pond without being thoroughly quarantined and treated for any issues first!

[@HEDST8]

Ive always wondered how they are held up with the small brackets.

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes, not very sturdy, will be looking at extra support.👍

[@martynskoipondandgarden4581]

Well that could of been a sight worse mate you could of had an empty pond if the misses hadn't heard the clatter love that pond of yours hope you have a hassle free weekend 👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the kind words.👍

[@martynskoipondandgarden4581]

@@pomfretspond588 anytime my friend 👍

[@davecooke914]

Sorry for your loss mate never nice when koi passes 👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks, much apricated. 👌

[@ourkoilife]

A real shame about your fish loss, especially after having it for so many years. We all get sentimentally attached to our Koi. We've just done a home made version of an Up-flow Filter and mounted it on a stand so maybe this is an option for you. Cheers 👍

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes have thought about a stand and will do some research. Thanks for the advice.👍

[@karlbrackpool882]

did u remove sturgeon before treating the pond ?

[@pomfretspond588]

No, didn't think I needed to. But that said I've been threating the water with Malachite Green and Formalin Spring and Autumn since the pond was built 9 years ago and the sturgeon has always been in the pond. Is it harmful to sturgeons!

[@LauMagroTheFrenchKOInection]

I dont think those brackets are strong enough considering the weight of the Tempest when full of water. A lof of us have built a stand to help with the weight. Sorry to hear about the big fish, I am gutted ofr you. It is sad.

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks I'll look into some supports.👍👍

[@adamrudge6480]

Yeah basically a stool with a hole in the middle for the waste valve to go through. Takes the weight off the pipework and those silly brackets. I've made a cupboard for mine with a shelf in that takes the weight. Can also insulate the cupboard and it keeps the sun off the unit.

[@LauMagroTheFrenchKOInection]

@@adamrudge6480 That's exactly what I have done for mine when I built it 6 months ago. I dont know why EA thought those brackets would take the weight

[@adamrudge6480]

@@LauMagroTheFrenchKOInection Yes not sure of the exact weight filled, but those clamps just aren't designed for it. You can get nice stainless steal brackets for them now. But it's extra cost and it's a different company that actually make them. I've had mine running 6 months now aswell and the filter itself is brilliant. It's just a few things could have been designed better. Waste/air valve isn't great and I'd have used ball valves instead.

[@pomfretspond588]

@@adamrudge6480 Thanks for the advice, the unit is loos on the brackets. It's allowed the Tempest's to continuously move back and forth with the wind and that has put stress on the screws and caused them to snap. Cheers. 👍👍

[@RamseysDIYKoiPond]

Sorry to hear youve lost one mucker... gutted 😪

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks.👌

[@richardmeeds2173]

Put some watercress in a floating basket I honestly can't recommend it highly enough. It will help no end with green water & filtering nitrate & phosphate which algae uses to grow. Also moving bed's can be made really cheap & make a huge difference. Pond is awesome by the way wish I could have one that size 😂

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely👍👍 take it on board.

[@mykoijourney4979]

Hi sorry to hear about your koi 😢

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks, gutted.

[@tv9shorts763]

Great job

[@pomfretspond588]

Cheers👍

[@paulkirkbride2156]

Can you not drill straight through the post and use a long nut and bolt with washers.

[@pomfretspond588]

I've put cable ties top and bottom and I'm looking at screwing some sort of support shelf to sit the Tempest's on. Cheers for the input.👍

[@tonyfuller1466]

Such a shame about the fish. I think someone else on here had his tempest fall off. I'd make something for them to rest on like all the home made ones are.

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes I'll defiantly look at extra support, it could have drained the pond. 👍

[@asterixborden-koi6881]

Hi m8 sorry for the loss of your fish I know what it’s like I lost my Prized Koi last year The brackets on the Tempest look like Gutter down pipe brackets they are not designed for taking/holding anything with weight I’m sure 🤔

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for your thoughts and input, much apreciated.👍

[@stevealexander6928]

You say you have a "pump"? fit a float switch just in case some thing like this happens again. A float switch can be wired to turn off all electrics to pump, UV, what ever, worth £10 any day!

[@pomfretspond588]

Would the switch attach to the side of the pond itself? Thanks.

[@stevealexander6928]

@@pomfretspond588 Ita a float that sits in the pond via a wire, when your water level drops it will automatically turn off the power, doo you tube/google search for it. I had two on mine one for low water and one if my filter blocked up giving high water level.

[@MartynKoi]

I have seen tempests put on stands as the clips are useless, there are a few on KZbin to give you idea m8. Sorry about the fish, always sad when one passes. I would get them scraped and the water parameters checked, until then you shouldn't be adding medication as you don't know what you are treating. Just a thought how much went down the bank back into the pond, your poorly fish did look like it was in shock (toxic), it does not always show on all fish could be one or two. If the water was running down a while would consider a 30 to 50% water charge. Good luck and again sorry about your fish, take care

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for the advice, luckily my wife was in the garden when it happened so nothing really went back into the pond. Unchecked it could have drained the pond. 👍Cheers.

[@Technologyadvisor1]

put some airstones in

[@Jri801]

You are not the first to moan about the brackets on tempest ....alot of people are getting metal brackets made to go around the whe thing

[@pomfretspond588]

Yes I'm looking at ways to stop it ever happening again. Cheers.👍👍

[@darrenwhitehead3406]

A shame about the fish don’t beat yourself up about it it could have been a swim bladder issue with it floating on the surface this can happen to any fish and there’s very little you can do about it

[@pomfretspond588]

Thanks for your support.👍

[@lyonscultivars]

Ide blame an impact driver for the messed up screws. Or mabe just one uga duga to many causing the screws to pop. Ide go with stainless steel screws buddy save you having rusting screws within 2 years casukng itntoneventualy happen again.

[@pomfretspond588]

Good idea, I'll replace them.👍

[@JC-cv4ut]

What is this diy bodge job lmao

[@MsJojo1380]

Use u-clamps.

[@pomfretspond588]

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