Ten Controversial Fire Emblem Moments! | Gnoggin

[@Yedknowsall]

They should have kept Mist's name the same in the German version. It matches her stats.

[@Neo_Way]

Yedknowsall savage

[@viczio]

have my +1 sir.

[@Ephraim225]

Mine has maxed magic and a Sonic Sword, come at me :D

[@saifors]

I was wondering when I-d see someone make this joke.

[@PumpkinFox]

Better healer than rhys is.

[@FloPe97]

"Marth, the one Character from that iconic Fire Emblem game that you may have played - Super Smash Bros Melee" The best sentence ive heard in ages, thanks for killing me xD (I do love literally every FE game ive ever played. really awesome games!)

[@AdmiralTails]

I would argue the fact that Roy is in Smash 4 as a Fire Emblem character clearly means Melee is a Fire Emblem game. (Roy isn't exactly a fan favorite among the FE community, he's pretty clearly only in Smash 4 because he was in Melee)

[@GudHunterYT96]

Miles Prower Roy in melee was like Ike in braw Borderline god tier xD I only used Ike and Marth in brawl during online fights

[@zad_rasera]

We don't talk about Shadow Dragon, FloPe97

[@roaringthunder115]

True

[@Kumaclaws]

Hey, remember in sacred stones when a woman died but was brought back via necromancy, making her basically a zombie sex slave? I wish I didn't.

[@genuineangusbeef8697]

Toxicghosts22 Darling...

[@Pogohg]

What chapter was that?

[@aperson6505]

When Ephraim and Eirika storm Renais Castle to reclaim their homeland. Chapter 17, I think. Orson betrayed the kingdom because Lyon promised him his wife back.

[@Pogohg]

An Incredibly Innovative Name Huh. I haven't reached that point yet.

[@spindash64]

Toxicghosts22 You mean sacred stoners? I'm afraid I don't remember this, "stones" game

[@ThePolistiren]

7:53 Halt! That is bullshit. She simply isn't comfortable with cute girls. That's a thing in Japan which is not seen as being gay. Some may remember some characters like that in anime. What happened was that some blogger misinterpreted the scene in the original Japanese and created this drama over what is basically a lie.

[@ConductorElcrest]

Oh thank god someone else called it out as well.

[@adultneptune4987]

Anime Critical Thinker I remember that

[@BrBetim]

Anime Critical Thinker Oh yes, i actually witnessed the tumblr shitpost unfold. It was nice when a guy from a big site made a post about it and the shitstorm came back to the blogger

[@gottesurteil3201]

Honestly the next Fire Emblem should just drop trying to tackle LGBT topics, clearly people are too sensitive to handle it. And let's be honest, marriage in the games are meant to make super babies, being gay in the games makes no sense.

[@Gnoggin]

aah! thanks for the clarification. :)

[@Shade2800]

I am somewhat confused with #3 and why people would get so angry about it. I mean, if Casual were the only mode to play, then I would understand why people would be upset, but there is still the regular difficulty with permadeath, so it seems a little pointless to get riled up about it. Then again, this is coming from someone who hasn't played any of the Fire Emblem games as of now.

[@FireFury190]

I think hardcore fans just don't like it existing at all. I honestly didn't mind it really (though awakening did get me into the series so there may be some bias there). Though once fates introduced Phoenix mode which revived a unit the next turn after they were killed, that caused a lot more of an issue. Like having a mode such as that doesn't offer a sense of challenge.

[@CrazyCactuar42]

Yeah, I never understood why people got mad over a difficulty option. Classic mode is still there and is just as good as always so I don't see the problem.

[@Shade2800]

FireFury190 So basically angry fanboys just being angry fanboys. Got it. This is why I prefer being a fan of something and not a fan-boy...

[@Mellion555]

I've been a fan of Fire Emblem for years, and I never understood why it was so controversial or hated either. :/ It's not required to play it on that difficulty, and it allowed more people to play the game and become fans. And because it was more accessable to more people the game sold well enough that Nintendo didn't bury the IP. Literally no bad came of it.

[@AuraKnightStar]

Its the same reason Dark Souls players get into a fit at the mere mention of the possibility of implementing an easy mode. The game's difficulty and their ability to master it is what made it unique and special to them. They fear that including difficulty levels and making the game more accessibly to a wider audience would make the game less special, less unique. Imagine a restaurant that became famous for its chicken wings. For years these were the best, most juicy, most flavorful wings in the world, but they were also incredibly spicy so only the bravest and most hardy of foodies could partake of them. Then one day the restaurant, in an attempt to boost its slowly dwindling clientele, added a mild option to the menu. Those long time loyal costumers would somehow feel betrayed. The original wings are still there, but the restaurant is no longer this exclusive eatery that only a select few ate at.

[@cafeghost6801]

The Fire Emblem series is serious. Meanwhile, back in Heroes, we have characters dressed in bunny outfits, bridal gowns and swimsuits...

[@genesis8112]

Kuroneko 74 Genealogy of the Holy War and Thracia 776 are the most serious with its grim backstory, and with its dark turns of events

[@svarthert8450]

@@genesis8112 I'm a player from the path of radiance era and still was surpried by the child hunt of Julius in Genealogy.

[@belmontzar]

*runs around Fire emblem warriors with Lucina in a wedding dress* Bow before my power bwahahaha!

[@cooperchamberlain196]

Don't forget Halloween costumes!

[@cooperchamberlain196]

I'm a player from Echoes era witha deep fascination and admiration for the series past

[@JC-ky6mp]

Soliel 'implied' to be a lesbian? She was flat out confirmed to be bisexual; Laslow flat out said "she has good taste in both men and women" in her side quest, it doesn't get more straight forward than that.

[@demonitizeddemonz5977]

Probably in the localization. Unless you have a Japanese cartridge.

[@chicoti3]

@@demonitizeddemonz5977 A shame people think what they get in English is exactly what the creator intended, which needless to say, it's not.

[@Eshyyyyy]

@@chicoti3 I found the japanese script and Laslow's line roughly translates to "Yeah...She's got a little bit of a different taste. She likes pretty girls." So the localization actually added her liking men too.

[@chicoti3]

@@Eshyyyyy She just says she has a weak spot for pretty girls. She also goes out of her way to confess to male characters and marry them in the Japanese version of the game. But that was removed in the English version, where she only confesses to Kamui and Foleo. And she also doesn't confess to or marry female characters, only male characters. Is that not the definition of straight? The localizaton folks clearly just had an agenda if they went out of their way to change her character like that.

[@firefliesburntheworld]

TBH Awakening is what drew me into this series, with its changes it drew in a new and much larger audience.

[@viczio]

The waifus man.

[@gymguy8780]

viczio that happened after the holy war

[@viczio]

Erik Valiente Genealogy? I know. (And in fact it implemented child characters so much better)

[@redlink8734]

Blazing sword and Holy war we're mine

[@whatthe4440]

My friend was into it and told me to watch a gameplay when we were watching Lucina’s joining smash video thing

[@wohdasunleashed]

the funnier thing is that skinship in Japan wasn't even well recieved and fans complained that it was turning into a dating sim. so the "thought oh no we don't want the same kind of reaction that they got. let's remove it to be safe". well as we know that was a mistake too since alot of people who play it are probably waifu/husbando lovers tbh. Or well hate people removing features.

[@danielstandart880]

Yeah, the reveal of skinship was pretty controversial, and there are many fans (including myself) who are glad it wasn't localized.

[@FLForrest]

They screwed the Japanese audience with the dating sim aspects, and then they screwed the English audience by removing it. Smooth moves, Nintendo.

[@Narlaw1199]

I found it horribly stupid when it was announced, yet I hate when gameplay features are removed... This issue has me very confused.

[@ThePolistiren]

That's missing the point of the complains. It is censorship, no two ways about it and the consumer is paying the same amount for a demonstrably inferior product. It was a stupid idea, but it was content. Content should never vary between regions. It's also the intent that is the real problem. One should never have controversy, outrage, etc. change the intended product.

[@lectordreadwood3273]

Except that it was,'t removed it was recontextualized to be only with a character you've chosen as your wife or husband

[@vocalcalibration8033]

I've played Awakening... that's it. I love that game to no end, but I can't deny I am a filthy, filthy casual.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

***** To be fair, I've yet to experience any previous game.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

***** I have been meaning to try some of the older games, but money, tracking them down, etc.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

***** Actually no, though I will admit to playing on an easier difficulty, I played on classic mode.

[@Nathanblitz0]

You could try emulating. That's what I did. I technically only own 4 games. Radiant Dawn(Spent $80), Awakening, Fates, and Echoes.

[@raphialfehr8593]

Shadow Dragon (DS) was my first, when i got it i wanted to get into fire emblem but dident know i was playing the 3rd hardest game in the series(2nd if you dont count the radiant dawn typo), so most others seemed easy.

[@InazumaDash]

Fire Emblem nut: No perma death needs to stay. And be forced down everybody's throats! **character dies** Oh no not my waifu **soft resets**

[@Eydrial]

these "Fire emblem nuts" you're talking about don't even deserve saying that phrase if they're playing that bad lol. but jokes aside, that's a really fair point, except that I don't call my favorite characters husbando/waifu 'cause that's borderline *offensive word*. Casual was a good addition, Phoenix was not imo.

[@that1valentian769]

Fair point.

[@Underworlder5]

when one of my units die, i do not soft reset (at least not on GBA entries). i see it as an opportunity to try something new. i only reset a few times, but even then history repeated itself. speaking of, what unit can replace raven?

[@that1valentian769]

very mad guy Harken. Lol, sorry I can't even.

[@Underworlder5]

that could work. the wiki does say he can make a good replacement and even work in tandem with raven (of course i can only find out by seeing for myself). besides any fire emblem unit can be great if you put enough time in them

[@LectornAnigame]

Ah yes. Fire Emblem. This is no doubt, my favorite game series of all time

[@FireClaw00]

Agreed

[@LeMasterofSwords]

LectornAnigame same what is your favorite one? Mine is shadow dragon

[@LectornAnigame]

kyle wolman I gotta say Fire Emblem 7, or Fire Emblem 4, even though I'm still playing that one

[@danielstandart880]

I'm partial to FE6 myself, though Conquest was quite good (in terms of gameplay).

[@kuasocto3528]

Your comment sounds very sarcastic. Anime girl as avatar makes it all the more suspicious

[@sushidope1701]

In my opinion, making the main lord the avatar was the stupidest idea ever. The Lords of the past were so amazing and iconic, but with bipolar Corrin, he could literally have any identity making him such a forgettable character. They should have recreated the amazing synergy between Robin and Chrom. Robin being the main character, sure, but the story and fate of the world depends on Chrom.

[@gottesurteil3201]

I preferred how Awakening made the Avatar and the main lord different characters. Chrom had character since we had little to no bearing on his decisions. I hope the next game follows suit.

[@MorbidElegy]

Danniel Cavazos Before I played Fates I was hoping for no self insert character this time. No such luck. I still had a great time with Conquest though.

[@badlyre]

Absolutely true. But the majority prefer attractiveness over character. So, no one really cared.

[@alphamarigi]

I'd rather just rid of the avatar system all together.

[@sontaranmc2109]

To an extent, we get this with Azura. Azura plays just as major a role as the Avatar, but I can see your point.

[@MasterEnex]

You forget the most controversial moment in FEHistory: - People still mistaking Roy with Eliwood xD Also... Marth's pants in FE: Shadow Dragon ^^U BTW Nice Video ~

[@monchete9934]

Luckily in Heroes they are less identical

[@mr.shroomyshroom]

Do they really look that much alike.

[@PokeMaster22222]

Roy should have a middle name: Alfred. Eliwood should also have a last name: Yoodophat. Roy Alfred, and Eliwood Yoodophat. Say them out loud. Royal Fred, and Eli, would you do that. Puns. I suck at them. I apologise.

[@danieldo8859]

Roy is our boi

[@Killjoy62]

MasterEnex elwood is somewhat hard to control compared to Marth in SSBM. XD

[@akumati4061]

I remember meeting TONS of people who swore to me that Casual mode was a huge mistake, but then proceed to reset a stage whenever someone dies. Then they proceed to tell me how good they were after they beat the game.

[@nahte123456]

In all fairness it's harder to beat all stages without death no matter resets.

[@JackOfen]

Yeah because they actually managed to beat the stage without someone dying. In casual you can just say "lol death doesn't matter" and move on. It's good for new players. But what is really dumb is the pheonix mode where characters return after 1 turn.... that's baby mode

[@therapeface4153]

akumati4061 Except Classic means every single choice matters. In Casual,you really have no reason not to throw your units wherever you want

[@browncoatkevin]

My view on Phoenix Mode has evolved over time. That is how I saw it at first, but now I can see it as a practice mode or a sandbox where players can field whatever dumb, crazy, or gimmick team they want and see how long it takes them to win. How many moves would it take someone with only Counter attacks to win? How about a Gunter solo? Swap everyone's class? E Rank weapons only? As a plain run of the game, it's not much, but when I think of other uses, it becomes quite an interesting thing indeed.

[@therapeface4153]

browncoatkevin Then just use casual.

[@startheangel9760]

Why are people complaining about casual mode? when you can always play it on a high intensity if you wanted anyway.

[@startheangel9760]

seth oricalco Cool.

[@mauvedragontiddies9244]

Intelligent Systems allowing newcomers to get into their game? HOW DARE THEY? I'M OFFENDED!

[@startheangel9760]

Der Slendy Its the reason why Awakening sold well if it was too difficult nobody would play it.

[@therapeface4153]

Star Pit Awakening sold well was because it had advertising lol

[@mauvedragontiddies9244]

The Rape Face The old Fire Emblem games as well. Don't you remember what happened to Dorcas?

[@PikminandOatchi]

Lyn story is needed though - Unless you want half of your characters to be underleveled when you start Eliwood/Hectors story.

[@bravescholarlys1127]

Ben the Beserker very true

[@sigurd7767]

Most units upon recruitment are under levelled anyways so it isn't that big of a deal

[@PikminandOatchi]

Weeaboo Chan If you start Eli or Hectors storys with an underleveled Sain/Kent/Florina/Wil they are going to get destroyed in The Noble Lady Of Caylin.

[@HuskyTorchiks]

It's not ENTIRELY needed, i beat hector normal mode and MAXXED Lyn 20/20 WITHOUT using lyn's story. And let's be honest, Lyn's companions aren't that great of units anyways

[@PikminandOatchi]

Husky Torchiks Lucius , Serra , Sain , Kent , Matthew , Wil , Rath ? These are all good units. Only one that's questionable is Wallace.

[@MorbidElegy]

I'm still upset New Mystery didn't come out outside of Japan...

[@idkwmytuni]

Same, had to use fan tranlsations to play it myself

[@viczio]

My fan translation never worked and I'm still sad about it ;_;

[@kirisame4200]

Yeah, then people wouldn't blame Awakening for casual.

[@papersonic9941]

"Binding Blade's gameplay was easy" Do you even Hard Mode, bro?

[@jonasradoman]

even normal is harder than most of the series

[@fluffystagbeetle4526]

Do you even Wendy and Sophia bro?

[@corn4618]

Not even thay Binding blade is more of a in-bettwen Harder than Fe7 and 8 But easier than Fe5 and fe4

[@saltfix8241]

To those who hate awakening for casual mode and grinding. IT IS OPTIONAL!!!! Yes not everyone can be god tactician who plays on lunatic+ with a mono log/ladle/stick army. Without awakening sales and more friendly interface you wouldn't be enjoying more fire emblem.

[@wholethedogsout880]

EXACTLY, nintendo is not forcing you to pick casual mode or phoenix mode or blah blah blah its a choice so choose what works for you and enjoy your playthrough, im personally a casual player because i love the characters, story, world, etc. and i want to enjoy that without getting people killed and having obstacles in my way preventing me from continuing

[@supervegito2277]

Difficulty settings in a nutshell And why i love the fact they exist.

[@fredericboucart3918]

Funny when you are in 2021 and that 3 houses is more grinding than awakening since you could get 1000 battles in a row without paying

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

Sexual predator Chaz will say grinding and casual mode are like running in Mario, they're unavoidable, therefore every game with grinding and baby modes are irredeemably bad just because of that.

[@Mangs1337]

12:10 - What a handsome cavalier!

[@PumpkinFox]

I get it

[@saifors]

I didn't even notice that...

[@kejn6069]

Hello daddy

[@pnyhmsmx]

saifors Me neither

[@Mangs1337]

I've played every single Japanese FE game on my channel aside from Gaiden and Fe3 book 1 :)

[@bladehero8490]

am I the only one who is more bothered by the removal of the rescue command and weapon durability system then by them adding a casual mode

[@seacliff217]

No, I like those systems too.

[@The-eo9or]

There is still rescue, technically, but only certain units have it and it is called "shelter".

[@Tonypikmin]

Bladehero Play Gaiden.

[@bladehero8490]

Tonyair i did so what exactly is your point?

[@pnyhmsmx]

Bladehero I think that guy is memeing.

[@Thrasher-sv9jx]

Awakening didn't even introduce casual mode. And SS used endless grinding too. edit: okay, we're cool. You mentioned New mystery.

[@Hawkatana]

Ahh, the skinship removal. As a wise man once said: Just play Gaiden.

[@saifors]

Don't be mad about skinship, don't be mad at fates, just play Gaiden, because Gaiden is here and will never leave you.

[@Delta_dragon.]

Don't forgot that the wise man can shoot hoops better than the NBA

[@PatrickChoi]

Why?

[@Hawkatana]

patrickchoi Dude, just play Gaiden.

[@PatrickChoi]

Hawkatana Come on guys, what are you talking about? There is no skinship in Gaiden, is there?

[@EdwardoFE]

Awakening's issue wasn't even it being easy, but that pairup was ridiculously broken and that the maps were very bland, resulting in a game where 2 units get huge stats and strategy in moving your units does not matter.

[@carloseduardoaguiar8712]

Edward I kinda agree with it

[@RigalicReign]

On lunatic though the pair up system didn't matter, it was can you recruit other player's avatars to make it playable or die. Yeah it helped but the AI was sadistic

[@EvilShadow7777]

I think they offset that pretty well in Fates when they decided to create enemy combos too, it actually meant that you had to think about the pairings and it punished you if one of the two units was too weak for the position they were used for as both would likely die.

[@saver_spenta_mainyu]

Jeremy West Fates definitely made some strides in balancing Pair-Up and making it a part of a player's strategy. Having to keep track of your shield gauge in order to get that one block that can save your unit or prevent debuffs from obnoxious ninja. Or separating units to ensure Duel Attacks on Player Phase so that you have enough offense to make sure you can kill all the incoming enemies. However, by late-game, Guard Stance > Attack Stance since enemies both have heavy-hitting units which necessitate Guard Stance and employ Paired-Up units which completely void Attack Stance; also, it is still far too easy to pair up weaker units with their royal spouses and have them wreck the opposing forces. So, while Fates made some improvements on Pair-Up, it still needs work.

[@DarkAeroWarrior]

+Rigalic Reign Or if you say had the grindy DLC in Awakening/Fates(Conquest) to offset the Lunatic Difficulty by grinding your units to keep up or surpass the enemy levels during Story. (Though that doesn't help much on Lunatic+ for Awakening) +Julian Bruzon That's a fair assumption. By the time I got to the higher chapters in Fates, whether it was Birthright, Conquest, or Revelation (All on Classic Hard Mode) I had to practically rely on just sticking with the Guard Stance Pairing, cause of the slightly boosted stats and to nullify Attack Stances (cause those add up over time, and can mean the difference between a unit living or dying). The only time I had to NOT use just Guard Stance Pairing was during my second attempt at the Final Chapter of Conquest, and that's because my first attempt had me completely overwhelmed and I wasn't actively going for an LTC strategy to take out the Final Boss. (That's not even counting how _lucky_ I got on the second attempt with the right criticals and skill-procts to break through to the Endgame Conquest Boss... which was taken down via Double-Astra.)

[@joshuakim5240]

What confuses me about Fire Emblem censorship is what is selected to be censored, rather than it being censored in the first place. Why are so many rather miniscule things like minor, optional lighthearted fanservice censored in a game series about warfare, loss, destruction, and tactical punishment/rng-bullshit? You'd think that the latter would be much less appealing.

[@aneonfoxtribute]

No, because we're America and sex is the worst thing to happen to the world but war is god damned amazing.

[@pnyhmsmx]

joshua kim Cause the main point of FE is to kill enemy units in a war zone, especially in the older ones? I think better writing or character development should help lessen the brutality of the war aspect of the series, not overdependency on fan service.

[@dricsi07]

Wich the last game lacked... partly because of the "localization".

[@aneonfoxtribute]

dricsi07 What are you referring to?

[@dricsi07]

***** I was refering to pnyhmsmx comment. And I have to say that the localization didn't helped the game to have "better" characters since most of the process only dumbed the game down.

[@GanRPG]

I don't want to say that FE vets are wrong about Awakening or Fates being bad because everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just want to say, "Stop saying a game is bad because of one feature." The stories in Awakening and Fates aren't spectacular, but they do what they do well. Besides, when have the stories of Fire Emblem ever been different? The overall story of any Fire Emblem can be summed up like this. "Enter anime main character. They fight on the side of the good kingdom against the bad kingdom. They gather an anime army of at least 30 anime people from both kingdoms. They fight back the bad kingdom to reach the king or whoever. Then destroy the ultimate evil that's been behind everything."

[@XIIIHearts]

While there is some merit to your comment, people are particularly harsh on Awakening and Fates because the contrivances and plot holes in these games shine at you like the Ark of the Covenant.

[@luckyc4t110]

While your summary of the Fire Emblem story is accurate, how well that basis is executed can vary wildly, which is what makes a story good or bad. If we look at Conquest, you "fighting back the bad kingdom" is unjustified and never really addressed. And the "ultimate evil" is tacked on. In Awakening, the entire story is actually very good, save for the "It was me, Grima!" plot twist at the end. In that game, the primary issues were gameplay changes, as well as the shipping and waifu introduction.

[@XIIIHearts]

JK Gamer I unfortunately don't agree with your opinion on Awakening's story, as I felt it was over-bloated with 3 arcs (Plegia, Walhart, and the Future arc), with crap villains with horrible designs (Kings like Ashnard and Zephiel are badass and inspire fear, while Gangrel and Walhart just make you want to laugh, and Grima was just dumb. Also, the story with Grima was built up so that he needed the Fire Emblem to awaken, but then he just does it on his own, rendering the Fire Emblem to be mostly useless. Also, the Earth Dragons have apparently been retconned out of existence.). Also, the Walhart arc was completely unnecessary. After 8 of so chapters in Calm fighting a man who literally dresses like a devil, what comes out of it? NOTHING!! You could cut the entire arc out and the story wouldn't be changed. Hell, it'd probably be better because there would be more time to focus on the Plegia Arc and Future arc. At worst with the Walhart arc gone, you'd miss out on two playable characters.

[@luckyc4t110]

XIII Hearts Three arcs is hardly what I'd consider bloated. FE7 basically did the same thing to some degree. Awakening just forgot to separate it. And yeah, in retrospect, your right, the goofy villains like Cervantes and Excellus really ruined the atmosphere. Villains are the one place where Awakening's story fell flat on its face. I have to disagree with you about Gangrel, though, especially in chapter 9. I don't think that the Valmese story arc was all too unnecessary, it gave us two great villains, one great character, and a lot of really fun maps. It certainly could have been more plot relevant. (Perhaps have Walhart working with Validar to resurrect Grima?) But overall, I'm glad it was there. You're definitely right about the Future and Grima arc needing more attention, though.

[@GanRPG]

JK Gamer That's actually why I like Conquest's story the most. It's not exactly the same cookie cutter plot that past games have shared. I thought it was incredibly refreshing to have the main character have his ideals and decisions being challenged and looked down upon by the side that he/she is fighting for instead of the opposing side doing so. And yes, the "ultimate evil" was poorly tacked on, but let's just #BlameTakumi lololololololol Also, past Fire Emblem games have had support conversations. That is one of the series strongest mechanics and has drawn so many people to it. They showed that these characters are more than just pawns on a chess board. They have backstories and likeable personalities. Add that with the permadeath mechanic, and it makes it all the more tragic to lose them. Don't get me wrong, the support conversations before Awakening are still great, but I think Awakening fleshed them out in the best way possible. Also calling the support conversations shipping and waifus was more of the immature audiences' fault. (Including my own)

[@madisonlewe1057]

I myself don't really like Perma-death in games anyway so I'll admit I did play on casual

[@falsknavnfalskefternavn9649]

And if you had fun no one can tell you otherwise. It's not like you were having fun the wrong way.

[@jeremyknight9980]

Wow, and I thought the Paper Mario fanbase was divided.

[@aneonfoxtribute]

Hahahaha. You've seen nothing. The FE and SMT fanbases are extremely divided, and they have far less justification than the Paper Mario fanbase.

[@jeremyknight9980]

***** Yeah, from what I understand. they generally play the same. there hasn't been any huge changes to the gameplay like there was with Super Paper Mario, Sticker Star and Color SPlash. maybe there's more to it than just censorship and this "Casual" mode that is hated so much

[@aneonfoxtribute]

Jeremy Knight Yeah, but at least they have a leg to stand on. Sticker Star was horrible, and Color Splash was nowhere near the quality of the first three, which is very much not the case for Fire Emblem post Awakening, Persona, and SMT IV.

[@jeremyknight9980]

***** OH, I think Color SPlash is pretty good. and I've been a fan since TTYD. it doesn't fix everything from Sticker Star. but it's good enough. I do think they should try harder next time by making original characters, possible Partners and having a unique story. Instead of playing it safe.

[@aneonfoxtribute]

Jeremy Knight It's not a BAD game, but it's nowhere near as good as the original three.

[@krowking123]

PFFFFT PEOPLE GOT MAD CAUSE PEOPLE COULD MARRY NOWI? Please! I had her marry Gregor >:D... I know I know I'm terrible... Nowi is way to old for Gregor...

[@JasakiArts]

krowking123 Nowi is way too old for anyone really. Better keep her single xD

[@kelvinribas7476]

Nowi is too young... for Tiki

[@nooneimportant9623]

I wanna marry Nuibaba

[@undeadswordsman]

Well Gregor seems like the type that wooes older women.

[@executiveelf8793]

I had her marry Kellam.

[@dimitryryutta]

something that i always found wierd about the criticism of Awakening,is that features like the marriage system,the avatar creation and the casual mode ruined the series,when this features where introduce in games before awakening,avatar creation and casual mode where introduced in Mystery of the emblem for the 3DS,and the marriage system was in Genealogy of the Holy War for the SNES i think

[@quiethere45]

NEW Mystery of the Emblem was LATE ds not 3ds from what I know

[@XxAgeofLovexX]

The children being created is from Geneaology, but it makes sense in that game because time goes by in the story and "a thing" happened for the children to fight in the war effort. I don't wanna spoil the game cuz it's a bIG spoiler.

[@aetherius6221]

Genealogy isn't really about supports, and there's no timewarp meme, it's 2 generations. Pairings are about the power of holy blood, and the sacred right to rule, about the forces of good and evil, and how both are inevitable, evoked sometimes of circumstances, other times by birth, or fate, or nature. Genealogy is an epic spanning years of history where you avenge your dead parents, and unite a continent nearly lost in the throes of despair, oppressed by an extremely powerful evil, one whose raw power entices men to pledge their lives for a leg up in their twisted world. Holy blood means something significant, you are called, destined, compelled to fight for good, in some cases against your will, despite your fear, the Holy weapon in your hands demands justice. It's one of the best integrations of story and gameplay I've ever seen... 6/10 horse emblem. Thracia is a lot more fun to play but MAN Genealogy is probably in my top 5 favorite video game stories. Good god the "pair them up! Marry your waifu!" Stuff seems absolutely SOULLESS compared to the detail and the generational storyline of fe4, especially the conversations with Lewyn and his children, the only parent still in your army, but only as an advisor. Fe4 rivals fallout 2 in detail, and that's a big compliment coming from me.

[@matrixmilky596]

Controversy in Fire Emblem? One word: Camilla

[@SakuraAvalon]

Wait, Niowi's supposed to have a 6 year olds body? That's a teenager with a flat chest, not a 6 year old.

[@Alex_Barbosa]

I know right? Iv'e never even played the game and I was like what the crap she's not 6!

[@vonithipathachai8449]

I thought she was supposed to look 10.

[@tigerfestivals5137]

Roxie ღ she looks like a middle schooler, if anything. Still dubious morally, but it's a cartoon so it still shouldn't be a big deal.

[@SakuraAvalon]

Tiger Festivals Reminds me of Bleach. Where Ichigo is 15, but looks 17-18

[@MadiCelestrian]

I don't get the Nowi controversy, manaketes have always had loli-esque bodies (except Bantu). No one complained about Fae, Ninian, Nils, Myrrh, young Tiki, etc 👀 It's like people are bandwagoning on a popular thing.

[@MrAM-ny1nk]

really people got mad at casual mode? these are probably the same people who get mad at dark souls possibly having an easy mode

[@darksnow222]

My only issue with it is people being unwilling to try classic mode at all. Then again I am also someone who plays with permadeath on with no resets so in my book permadeath is a integral part of the game so I may be a tad bit biased.

[@MrAM-ny1nk]

darksnow222 I've tried classic mode and it's good, I just prefer casual mainly cause I don't have the time for difficult games

[@darksnow222]

Ok your entitled to your opinion. I was just giving my reason why I personally don't like casual mode all that much even if I don't use it. Honestly I am glad you gave classic a shot and that's fine that you prefer casual, we all play all games in our own way.

[@pktim866]

Anthony Marchiondo ikr its better to have a casual mode so that new fans can join in easily then eventually work up to classic if anything ppl should be mad a Phoenix mode there's no reason for it no one is that much of a noob besides a baby

[@charliedickson1443]

Anthony Marchiondo I'm not a big fan of casual mode, I think it negates skill. But I'm not super butt hurt about it because I don't have to use it.

[@stephenbowes2187]

Oh Lockstin, please learn to French. It's pronounced So-Lay not So-Lyle

[@bladehero8490]

Stephen Bowes no one cares

[@TheBeast123]

Stephen Bowes Yep

[@viczio]

+Bladehero I am perfect in your definition because I am no one and everyone says no one is perfect and thus I banish you, eat dirt nerd.

[@aperson6505]

Laslow even says it in Soleil's paralogue ffs

[@colaocha1115]

also Tihrnahnog bothered me it's Tír na nÓg [teer- nuh- nyohg]

[@neonblast1239]

I have no idea why Nintendo opts to censor games from the west. I get it if it's a game meant for kids, but if it's a rated t game or rated m game there, then it should be a rated t/m game here! Nintendo, we're not idiots! We know what sex and alcohol are, so stop censoring that stuff in more mature games!

[@snivy400]

neonBLAST12 i agree with this

[@chezmix64]

neonBLAST12 because Nintendo has an image of a children's company, so the minute you get hardcore waifu groping in a nintendo game suddenly fox news is jumping on it and christian moms are boycotting nintendo

[@bravescholarlys1127]

neonBLAST12 its not for kids obviously they think westerners are babies

[@crono3015]

Yeah, because I only play Fire Emblem for petting anime girls

[@crono3015]

How about you be grateful, or buy a Japanese 3DS.

[@noonespecial7784]

People hated Radiant Dawn because they can't git gud

[@that1valentian769]

This Guy ^ (▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)

[@andrewembuido7341]

No one special your wrong radiant dawn is an amazing game and with great battle animation the only problem is that you will be switching side in ike's side and micaiah's side on Part III

[@noonespecial7784]

there was a translation error where the modes where normal mode was translated into easy and hard mode into normal, critics didn't want to feel dumb, so they played the so called 'normal mode' and thought the game was too hard, this is one of the big factors that made people not want to buy the game, of course the story shifting put off many people. All in all, what I posted was a joke, but it does have a base

[@andrewembuido7341]

They do have change the support conversation back in GBA style but conversations only puts 2 sentences or 1

[@truetrash5164]

Oh no, an option to make the game easier that I can easily ignore! HIW WILL I EVER COPE!

[@truetrash5164]

*HOW

[@catrook8146]

Awakening was my introduction to Fire Emblem. I'm a really casual gamer, so no perma death is good for me,

[@GanRPG]

Catie Stayrook Amen. Although Phoenix mode was a dumb addition to Fates.

[@JRedNose]

hm... I too prefer playing without perma-death. Incidently, I also rather like playing non-story battles from time to time just for the heck of it, though it DID completely mess up the games balance... perhaps keep 'em as a sort of post-game in the next title...? Pair-up however was stupid and boring, and I pray I never have to lay my eyes on it again.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

But by doing that you are cutting yourself off from the best games in the series as well.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

this comment section gave me cancer

[@vonithipathachai8449]

Usually I just play Casual Mode like I would Classic Mode. Because nothing is more frustrating than having to reset right before the end of a map because one of my characters got killed by a stupid low-probability hit.

[@shadowofchaos725]

6:26 Nitpick! It's Normal, Hard, and Maniac. Not Normal, Hard, and Lunatic.

[@catcat5564]

England version vrs American version

[@CH-nn1nf]

Yes I liked at exact 39 so now it is 40 now an even number

[@ZeroRemorse]

Honestly I don't care about the old school fans of the game or the new ones. I came in during radiant dawn and have been faithful. But that being said I don't care if they put a Phoenix mode or a casual mode in the game so long as it let's me play lunatic mode. I can't fathom why the community is so childish. They don't seem to realize that the franchise would have been dead without it along with the lost gem the speaker talked about. I would rather have a Fire Emblem series that keeps making great games than a dead series I can only visit if I bust out my dusty old consoles or emulate. Let everyone play the game their way and you play yours. Bunch of childish people on here and the forums.

[@Saincisco]

from all of this I learn that Fire Emblem has the most pissiest and broken community. They were never pleased with anything.

[@ZeroTheHeartlessKing]

you think the FE fans are bad look at the sonic fan base XD

[@espurrseyes42]

It's about even. The Sonic fanbase at least has a good reason for their pissiness (the Dark Age of Sonic), but even then, the stuff they whine about is ridiculous, and honestly seem to be more bitchy than the FE community.

[@Saincisco]

sonic fandom is pleased with mediocre stuff. I love sonic games, but I can admit their flaws. Some people defend Sonic 06.

[@espurrseyes42]

EmperorFranky The Sonic fandom isn't pleased with anything. The reception of Unleashed made that very clear. It's not perfect, but Unleashed was still a good game (and would've been better if it wasn't split between 2 versions, each with their own set of flaws), yet that got just about as much hate as some of the Dark Age games.

[@wakkaseta8351]

The Smash community says hi.

[@Mjc48127]

But. But. But. Are you saying that the huge amount of incest isn’t controversial...

[@aetherius6221]

Something Something fe4 Something Something fe7 Something Something fe5.

[@mullent169]

Oh New Mystery of the Emblem. Back in 2011 I was SUPER psyched for the release of it, Fire Emblem being my favorite game series, and was disappointed to hear that it wasn't going to get an American release. It was heartbreaking, until I discovered that through much hard work and effort, someone created an English translation patch for the game. Geeked out that I was finally able to play the game I was waiting for so long to play, I downloaded it and was blown away by its quality. So many things were improved upon, support conversations were back which really fleshed out the characters for me. The character customization was simple, but incredibly fun. I ended up choosing a mage with spiky blonde hair and made him use lighting magic. Also, the story itself seemed to take on a much darker tone and continued onto the story of Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, another of my personal favorites. And the ENDING was just absolutely phenomenal! I still get chills when I listen to the particular track that plays during the final chapter.

[@Angelthesaucegod]

I thinks it's pronounced (Sole-lay)

[@morningstargaming3768]

Furrethugs it is

[@viczio]

Praise the su- wait, wrong game

[@yoshiyoestar]

Furrethugs It's actually So-lay.

[@filibertogonzalez8761]

Tippitytop_verstappen It is French for 'Sun.'

[@josephcross8464]

I love the Fire Emblem games, but honestly, my experiences with the fandom have been very poor, most of them strike me as entitled, elitists and whiners, which is why I don't mind not having any Fire Emblem-playing friends.

[@MrToonlink53]

That seems to be a common complaint with the FE fandom

[@josephcross8464]

***** ikr? With a fandom like that who needs haters.

[@GanRPG]

Joseph Cross Amen. Awakening sparked my love for this series to the point of emulating the GBA games. I've got nothing to hate about these new entries.

[@Stuntmachine14]

Same bro

[@fluffystagbeetle4526]

Because of a vocal minority you don't like engaging with the community at all?

[@TheGamersState]

Forgive me for being negative in this comment but I'd rather be truthful than to lie, the people that claim Fire Emblem Awakening has "ruined" the series because of the removal of permadeath are stupid. I could 100% understand if they removed permadeath entirely and forced casual mode onto you but guess what? They didn't, permadeath is still in the game and if you want to play it, go ahead and enjoy it. As for the "grinding issue", again this is not forced onto you, you can play through the game on lunatic mode without any form of grinding, heck on lunatic mode the grinding itself is far more risky because your units can die while you're trying to level up. Some of the elitism I've seen from "veterans" of this franchise is quite frankly disgusting and it's a real shame that people have to be this way rather than welcoming them into the community.

[@monchete9934]

Ninetales Commander Agree

[@pumpkinboi1722]

the opinion that matters

[@corn4618]

Well optional or not Grinding is basically a safety net for anything bad that happens Also Removing the Main feature that made fire emblem popular in japan is quite ...well dumb

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

Agree

[@TrueGinjaNinjaGamer]

Am I the only person who doesn't really want the children mechanic to come back in the next game? It seems lazily thrown into Fates, so I really don't want to see it again... The marriage stuff is fine and the support system is very fun, but I really like mechanics that make sense within the contents of the game...

[@bladehero8490]

GinjaNinjaGamer don't worry you're not alone

[@DarkLink1996.]

If the child units were only in those DLC chapters, I would've been totally fine with them.

[@TrueGinjaNinjaGamer]

Yeah. I just hope they find a new mechanic or something. But the DLC is fine. I didn't buy the DLC after buying all the versions...

[@seacliff217]

I thought they were forced into Fates because Awakening did it too. If they are going to bring back the child characters again, I would hope it would at least make sense with the rest of the plot like Awakening or Genealogy.

[@blazingwaters7469]

Yea it definitely seemed like it was just added in because it was immensly popular with the super casual players. I didn't mind all that much (I mean Midori, Ophelia, and Soleil are some of my favorite characters in Fates), but I did find it really distracting and odd.

[@MegamanGuy444]

Actually you can skip Lyn's chapters if you beat the game. Though you will be scrutinized by the levels of her characters when she joins up with Eliwood. --- Lyndis will forever be my number one girl in video gaming. God bless her. ---- Also, it felt like he failed to mention most of the games only came out in Japan... Especially to prove New mystery of the Emblem's points.

[@metamayto]

I am so thankful petting was removed. I would have been so uncomfortable.

[@sebbaa93]

I think the idea of casual and classic modes are one of the main reasons of fire emblem becoming main stream but i cant deny that the anime tropes helped as well. Its just an option, you decide how to play but the game itself tells you that "classic" is the true way to play the game but not punishing you if you want to play casual. The GBA was my first FE, i drop the game after Ch10 cuz it was hard. Years later (and a month ago) i got my hands on Awakening and i think is a good game in his own, now im playing again the GBA one and i can say that is also a really good game. Awakening is the best entry point to the series in my opinion, if you like it, you'll probably like the other entries too.

[@XellosNi]

I've always had issues with the Fire Emblem community. Unfortunately, recent events have also had me started loathing those from the outside looking in.

[@dricsi07]

Me too. Man this games are so butchered to hell and the Fates was just a mess in any posible way.

[@dabage553]

Big Brother Xellos Localizations have put a toll to the fan base as a whole. I wonder why it's so hard to localize these games. Also, I see Fates as the equivalent to FF8. Some fans are getting sick of the new formula, and I think they'll try to make things much more simple with the next game. Or just make a Genealogy remaster and print money.

[@XellosNi]

Luna is Best Waifu I'm not so sure they'll try to make things "much more simple" with how badly Shadow Dragon tanked. Or are you referring to something else?

[@dabage553]

Big Brother Xellos Shadow Dragons was just a pure remake of the 1st game. What I'm saying is that they should go back to the formula from the GBA games or possibly SNES game like Genealogy. Or maybe just hire a better writer, because that's what everybody wants.

[@dricsi07]

Luna is Best Waifu And while they are getting a better writer replace the whole treehous staff who worked on it in the last time. That's a must I think.

[@chikin8895]

12:15 you left a big point out about how New Mystery was Japan only

[@02844564]

I am Surprised that Phoenix Mode controversy aint on here, let alone The Number 1 spot. I can't count the number of Times iv been hounded because I enjoyed, cause when I first learned of the fire Emblem games, the Perma-death turned me off. Then I learned about Fates/IF and Phoenix Mode. I enjoyed the game, story and Characters cause of it. I am now about to finish my first Casual Playthrough and plan on getting Awakening.

[@nahte123456]

The issue is that a big draw to Fire Emblem was how hard it was, it was a series about war, and they dealt with some serious issues, of course it would be hard. So bringing people back just felt like you were spitting on that, how is this a huge war with people dying when you can't die? Not to say I agree, If that's what you like go ahead, but I can understand that turning off death in a series about war and struggle is a big turn off.

[@02844564]

But aint the point of Video Games Supposed to be entertainment? A Temporary Escape from Reality? Where the good guys always wins and get the girl/s? A happy ending opposed to a real life, sad ending? Thats what I never understood about these Gamers, They want Games to more realistic, thats like the opposite of what fiction is supposed to be.

[@borjankosarac3645]

True, but on the other hand having some level of difficulty helps us care about the characters - when their lives are literally on the line, one wrong move forces you to learn from it and improve yourself to keep them from dying... Granted, I've no issue with people playing Casual (even if I don't get Phoenix at all - you can pretty much not fail at all in that scenario), so I won't judge you - that's the elitists who have a sense of entitlement (and believe me, just about EVERY fanbase has those sorts). Still, it's just not for me - much as Perma-death is indeed aggravating at times, I can appreciate the somewhat challenging aspect of its existence, and it means I can feel for my units when they die from my mistakes. Not that overly-hard can't get to be too much for me, though, but if it's too easy then I sometimes feel... unchallenged. I dunno, I appreciate the accomplishment of succeeding in something that's NOT too simple for me I guess... Maybe I'm a closet masochist in your eyes, that's fine too, but as long as it isn't TOO bloody difficult I don't mind a bit of a challenge. Just don't assume we all treat it like something ridiculous... I still enjoy the escapism and the fantasy as well, having some legitimate stakes doesn't detract from that for me personally. :-D

[@borjankosarac3645]

Besides, a lot of us just reset and try again, to make sure the death doesn't stick... I know, we've a weird bunch. ^.^'

[@nahte123456]

Billy Catrett Yes entertainment is the point, and so are the feeling, if there's no tension there's no relief that you won, without the threat of death you take away from the story, it's not something that would work with say Pokémon, but for a story about overcoming war and what is right and wrong that tension is exactly what you need for some people.

[@namingisdifficult408]

I love Fire Emblem Awakening

[@aborealisglfry]

i dont get why so many poeple hate FE:A its an awsome game!

[@Ash_Wen-li]

For me the biggest problems were broken pair up, bad maps, lack of objectives and the story. The rest of the flaws I can overlook.

[@aborealisglfry]

i have to admit those are really bad problems..but i still enjoyed it

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Aurora Borealis Glfry Well for me it was still fun, but it didn't feel like it had as much depth as the others.

[@aborealisglfry]

same

[@Amberstorm1999]

poorly written cast, bland supports, horrible story, broken and unrefined gameplay, awful map design, terrible game balancing, shall I go on?

[@joshuaquin9291]

I beat radiant dawn on hard mode so I feel extra good finding out I was actually on lunatic

[@rebelskirmisher]

14:22 "The series fell into obscurity..." *Laughs in Vestaria Saga*

[@maziio646]

No Tokyo mirage trashtalk? im surprised, yet pleased

[@Neo_Way]

Maaziio As far as I can tell, the game only didn't sold well because it was niche of a niche... of another niche. Reviewers loved it, people I know from some groups FE related liked it, the only Let's Player I've seen playing also enjoyed it... And I just never played it because I don't have enough money ;w;

[@maziio646]

Its an awesome game to be honest, i loved it so much , but im used to people shitting on it because they feel like it

[@kevin427]

It's really more of a spinoff than an actual Fire Emblem game- mostly by name only. I guess it doesn't really affect the main series that much.

[@viczio]

The game itself is pretty good, but the cringe factor, at least for me, is too high to enjoy. Also I don't have a WiiU otherwise I'd probably still have played it. I originally considered buying a WiiU just for that game, but decided not to after the whole censorship controversy. :/

[@Neo_Way]

viczio to be fair, in the case of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE it's way less severe than Fates, for example, since it's one DLC that was swimsuit related (kinda dumb since Awakening also had one) and small changes to some clothes (as far as I remember, that is)

[@glueboy]

I'll admit I got angry at the changes to Fire Emblem If. Because it felt like an insult to the original developers. It was as if telling them "you sill japanese, let America change your hard work." Also most of the people for the removal were the kind of people who don't even like Fire Emblem (at least all the ones I saw). But that's just my opinion, I can see the other side of the argument but I just don't agree.

[@espurrseyes42]

It was a matter of paying the same price for less content. Frankly, I couldn't careless about Skinship, but that's still an extra thing the JP version had that the NA version didn't (technically, we did get it, but a neutered version of it that didn't give as many extra items).

[@glueboy]

Denzel Rozier Didn't they completely change some support conversations and make some characters personalities even worse. I remember reading about a character who made a remark about liking a food in the Japanese version and then in the American version he was completely obsessed with the same food.

[@pnyhmsmx]

Glue I had no issue with the removal of the skinship. Partly because I didn't think it was needed for Fates since Awakening already saved FE. Mainly because it was evident that Intelligent Systems wasn't intelligent in the slightest.

[@espurrseyes42]

Glue Just look up Saizo & Beruka's C support. That's honestly the worst support conversation change.

[@nahte123456]

They did change some Supports, but it's debatable what's worse. I'm sure some Japanese versions are better, but I'll take several American versions over the Japanese versions. There are just some cultural things that just don't work quite the same. So I don't mind those, but I'll never understand the removal of skinship completely. I get that it's a little weird to be able to 'pet' you siblings, children, and just random people, but I would have definitely liked there to be more to the whole 'calling people to your room to talk' then what we got.

[@thatssoderek2188]

Hmm interesting side note: "Tirnanog" looks a lot like "Tír na nÓg" which is the name of the Otherworld in pre-Christian Irish mythology. The more you know!

[@regojozsa]

My problem with Fates and Awakening is that while they're fun games, the writing is bad and they have too many plot holes. Whatever game comes next, I hope it has better writing and characters and scrap the child mechanic

[@XIIIHearts]

Which is why I've stopped playing Fates and Awakening. While fun games to play, the awful stories just keeps me from playing it again.

[@gymguy8780]

Regő Józsa holy war

[@587DeathKing]

We won't be getting that with the Avatar feature and how popular the child and marriage mechanic were in Awakening and Fates.

[@pnyhmsmx]

Regő Józsa That can't happen if Intelligent Systems doesn't want to make use of writers who can actually write coherently.

[@cursedex]

I heard the rumor that the localization team had to retcon the story of Fates because the original story was extremely biased towards Hoshido, making them far too pure and pristine, while western themed Nohr had Corring constantly regretting having joined them.

[@ryusoulger9127]

I should quit reading these comments. Its mostly full about how much Fates sucks as a game. At least Awakening has people who love it.

[@TeaBaron]

If it makes you feel better there was a time when people used to hate Fire emblem 8 and rant for hours about how it failed to live up to 7 and 9 or how 10 failed to live up to 9 or how the series was getting easier since 6 like in the video. Today 7 vs 8 vs 9 vs 10 is unthinkable 1 to 12 is now said to be some golden era and all of the fandom was never broken. Sure some people might still hate 8 but they are so small that they would be called crazy so just give it time. 13 and 14 could be loved in the future but only at the hate of 18 and 19.

[@ryusoulger9127]

TeaBaron Huh. I didn't know Sacred Stones was that unpopular back then. I've already heard about how it sucked because of it's easy difficulty and Bland Lord but I didn't think it was that bad. I wish people would focus more on the good rather than the bad of Fates.

[@TeaBaron]

Sadly the latest game is usually said to be the worse but fear not time could be your best ally or your worse enemy on what game you like or not. Plus it's not just FE, I'm a Resident evil fan and there was a time when people use to say zero was the worse in the series. Today if I said zero sucks fans would jump on me or say "it's just your opinion and your problem!" As for Ephraim he was hated because he wasn't Hector and Eirika was hated because she wasn't Lyn or was called female Eilwood.

[@Stuntmachine14]

Reminds me of zelda in a way

[@mafuthewise]

The biggest controversy for me would be if Nintendo doesn't put Path of Radiance on the Switch virtual console. I've always wanted to play that game, but people want to sell it for 200 dollars.

[@Smuggy97]

Sorry for being a year late: But yes. Hoping for a port with better speed of actions.

[@theedwardian]

Awakening was designed to play on Hard/Classic mode

[@GaspingEgg]

It's a shame new mystery of the emblem never got a western release.

[@chaincat33]

Soleil (So-lay) is bisexual in all versions, however the NoA version made her explicitly a lesbian for everyone except the avatar and Forrest, Leo's son. Also, her entire controversy sprouted from a misinterpretation. It wasn't gay conversion therapy, and the underlying point of their support is still in the NoA version (Soleil can't focus around girls), they just changed it so the player didn't do something so underhanded as to spike someone's drink. That said, Soleils character is weird because of how Japan views young homosexuals. And quite literally, her entire character arc in japan was that her bisexuality was just a phase.

[@iraispadron2643]

chaincat33 She was a Class -S trope in Japnesse version.

[@dittom3426]

Well if this video taught me anything, it's to STAY THE HECK AWAY FROM THE FIRE EMBLEM FANBASE. Seriously, the pre-awakening elitists are worse than melee elitists, because at least they kind of have a reason for disliking the newer games for reasons other than "they made it welcoming for newcomers, now it sucks".

[@waltermelon7254]

there's melee elitists?

[@pierrebegley2746]

@@waltermelon7254 You better believe there is! You know those annoying f***s who hate Brawl and Smash 4 for not being Melee? Those are Elitists. Even though games like Brawl introduced so many more people to the Super Smash Bros. series. They're the same ungrateful Elitists who made Project M. They don't like the newer games for being slower and making thier main (Fox) worse. Watch, they'll be angry with Smash Ultimate too.

[@Crazykidthree33]

@@pierrebegley2746 Your comment seems gross and seems well overgeneralized. What evidence do you have for the Project M devs being elitist? Making a mod that makes Brawl like Melee doesn't sound elitist to me unless they advertised it as "better Brawl" which I don't believe they did. I've never seen a Melee fan complain that Fox is the reason they don't like the future titles. The only truth in here is that they don't like how slow the future titles are, but I think that's pretty reasonable of a preference to have for a largely competitive community. Sure, some of the more vocal ones shouldn't bash others for liking the newer titles, but that goes the other way too. We shouldn't bash them for merely preferring Melee. Having a preference doesn't make you elitist. It's the act of saying your preference is the only proper way to enjoy something that makes an elitist.

[@pierrebegley2746]

Zeniphierial I suppose it’s my perception. But yeah you bring up a lot of good points. I myself find myself liking Brawl more than Melee merely because it feels like it has more in it. Sure it’s WAY slower, but I honestly have more trouble with Melee. Smash 4 is also better but only slightly. Mainly because I can finally use Ness right. But it does feel empty. The lack of an Adventure Mode or Subspace Emissary kills it for me.

[@avaliantsoul5408]

@Imposter Ditto Well yeah. After all, we like our games to actually be challenging and tactical (bullsh*t ambush spawns are not challenging and tactical). Awakening on the hardest difficulty wasn't that difficult. Fates was just boring. I have low hopes for 3houses. Echoes was FE8 easy. Shadow Dragon, and FE7 were fun. I liked FE9-10's Lunatic modes (yes, I have the japanese version of the game cause Im a nerd.) That was fun (yes, even FE9's clusterf*** of enemies) Now its just boring...

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

I love Lyns story, Lyn is my fave lord cause she was that one video game character who broke the 4th wall the first time for me. Her story is simple and gets you into the game as someone who never touches a stratege game ever before and damn, she is one hell of a character, one of the strongest for me!

[@mooninites5407]

There is part in Fire Emblem Fates (Rev ver.) Where Saizo and Beruka's C support conversation was heavily censort and the localization team had no idea on how localize that support. They replace the whole conversation with "..." being the only text in the WHOLE conversation in the US version. The whole (uncensored) C support was about how they killed their targets and their jobs/careers. It's like censored Henry all over again...

[@FilmographyM]

I have an itching feeling he hasn't actually played much of the games, think it might be because the songs he used are just variations of the main theme instead of actual tracks from the games

[@DarkLink1996.]

Yeah, where's Legend of the Divine Dragon?

[@monsieurorleans1329]

You could grind infinity in sacred stones

[@ShimerinGaming]

No mention of how Fates was split into three games? In my opinion that should be the biggest controversy of all.

[@gokaijustice8542]

Shouzo Kaga is far from gone. He's currently making a Fire Emblem-like game using SRPG Studio. The Fire Emblem community at Serena Forest occasionally discuss his progress and some of its members even help Kaga with assets like sprites and all given Kaga's project is more of a free-for-all open platform.

[@Ms10000123]

The one about soleil is actually wrong. She wasn't gay in the Japanese version to begin with. The gay implications were put in for the Western version, like changing every reference to marriage into friendship. She just likes to flirt with girls whilst being straight in the Japanese version, a trait likely gotten from her father, which is kind of a trope in Japanese media. The 'gay conversion' was to align her trait with her sexuality, rather than to change her sexuality.

[@PinkKips]

Fates just should have been it's own entry. Don't get me wrong, I love the game (or trilogy I guess) but it got a little bit too adventurous. From skinshipping, to OBVIOUS FANSERVICE, to Phoenix mode, it was all too much

[@Anzyll]

No curtain? I'm ashamed of you, Lockstin. That's a huge meme.

[@PureAwesamness]

Personally, I was happy for Lyn's story being unskippable the first time you played the seventh game since I do think it works well as a tutorial *and* at helping to set up the larger politics of Lycia. Lyn sort of gets shafted in terms of development in the main story so giving her a chance to shine in her own little "mini-campaign" was a nice touch. I was also pretty happy to see skinship gone because, honestly, that stuff just... weirded me the Hell out. I don't see what purpose it served in the Japanese version and I don't think its removal is any big loss. I didn't have a problem with Soleil's original support conversation - don't get me wrong, I didn't think it was a great one, just kinda so-so - *but* I can understand why other people would interpret it as gay conversion even if that wasn't the original intent, so I'm okay with that change. I've never understood the hate on "Fire Emblem Awakening" hate, either. I'm actually really glad that one of my favourite series' has become easier for new players to get into. I mean, it's really not so different to how I and many others got into the seventh game when that first came to the west (which, being one of the post-Kaga games, was itself a lot easier and more accessible) and I hope that all these post-"Awakening" newbies will be able to go back through the old games and discover them for themselves, just like how I did all those years ago. "New Mystery" had a lot of good ideas and I'm glad that it encouraged Nintendo to go through with "Awakening" buuuut I do consider it to be one of the weakest games in the series. The original "Mystery of the Emblem" has what I personally consider to be the one of the weakest stories in the franchise and the gameplay really isn't all that interesting. I can appreciate its place in the history of the franchise, I just don't think it's particularly great.

[@travonarmstrong6093]

I second this. Awakening was my introduction into the franchise & when I brought it I wasn't thinking, "man, this better be a hard Fire Emblem game". Hell, I didn't even know how much history the franchise had until Fates was scheduled for an English release and all the controversy that came with it. I just wanted a game that I could enjoy playing over the holidays and, oh boy, I got so much more. Even with all the complaints I saw for Fates, I was jazzed as hell to get my copy and play all of the campaigns and I was not disappointed. This has got me to play the previous games like Blazing Sword and not only see what older fans liked about them but also how much the franchise has changed. For better or for worse, I wouldn't have gotten to play and enjoy these games if I didn't notice these big controversies with Fates and by extension the rest of the franchise. Now I'm not saying that I'm glad this happened, I can't even go to a forum or talk about Fire Emblem with my friends without a big argument or a flame war happening. This has been making me feel....a little alone in my appreciation for the franchise. Currently playing Genealogy of the Holy War and really liking the story so far but did they HAVE to make the maps so damn big.

[@PureAwesamness]

Exactly. No game is perfect and every "Fire Emblem" game is somebody's first. Of course, some are generally considered to be better than others but I don't think that someone should be made to feel bad because they like a certain game. I mean, I think "New Mystery" is pretty lacklustre in my own humble opinion but I don't think less of anyone who thinks it's great. If you like a game, go nuts. Nobody should be able to take that away from you.

[@therapeface4153]

Samven Lyn's tutorial is way too drawn out. They use 5 or so chapters to draw out the tutorial, and the rest are seeing if you learned anything, but still holding back all the things that make the game fun. Awakening's casual mide would've been perfectly fine if the game wasn' hilariously easy to break anyway, and put some effort into the map design

[@DN-lu9ky]

The perma-death controversy is silly by all means. Having the option to turn it on or off makes sense. A hardcore player gets the challenge with perma-death on, but a casual player could turn it off if they want to play with less difficulty. The real controversy should be if the game did not let you choose either option. More options = better in general.

[@lux3239]

Man I really wish a localized version of New Mystery of The Emblem would release on the switch here in the U.S. because it was good

[@rpgaddict314]

Awakening appealing to the casual crowd didn't upset the core fans as much as the bad balancing and boring maps did. Most of the fans complaining about casual mode are either dumb or trolls. The real issue with it that was very briefly mentioned is how you either level grind, abuse nosferatu Robin, or can't win because the enemy swarms and overpowers you on the open field.

[@sambeckettcat]

hey, Tokyo Mirage Sessions is actually a pretty fun game, and is about a bit more than just pop idols. It's about the Japanese entertainment industry as a whole, with acting, cooking shows, Sentai, and even a few references to comedies, writing, etc. in fact, it was only called a Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem crossover cause it has a connection with the Fire Emblem universe but uses a similar dungeon crawling system to Shin Megami Tensei as well as the whole side quest system where you spend more time with your teammates between story chapters.

[@aneonfoxtribute]

It's not even a crossover anymore. They literally scrapped the full blown crossover idea.

[@sambeckettcat]

***** yeah, it's not anymore. They only took the dungeon crawl idea of SMT and combined it with a bit of FE lore in a setting of the Japanese Entertainment Industry. I get the disappointment, but it is still a fun game.

[@sambeckettcat]

***** ok, I get what you mean then.

[@Real1Gaming]

Radiant Dawn is the best Fire Emblem. Come at me boys!

[@filledvoid]

You have some weird kink.

[@meteriote45]

Real1Gaming yeeeees!!!

[@hoodsquigga1168]

You are already dead

[@danieldo8859]

Super smash trash unite

[@Seaz333]

Personally, it's my favorite as well.

[@MegaScytheman]

I enjoyed fe awakening immensely, and I will admit that I played casual mode for a few hours before restarting my playthrough. I also did a little bit of grinding. Because it was my first fire emblem, I was more focused on learning the mechanics than challenging myself with the game. I am now planning to play through many of the earlier games

[@espurrseyes42]

No, permadeath wasn't removed in Awakening. There was just an option to play without it. And that honestly doesn't mean much on Lunatic+, where enemies get broken versions of existing skills, such as Luna+ (same effect, but ALWAYS activates) and Vantage+ (I think the user ALWAYS goes first, whereas the normal Vantage only did this at half health) very early in the game.

[@Lazypackmule]

Awakening is what introduced me to the series, and Fates is what made me drop it. What a shame.

[@LordMoldyButt18]

Roy is my boy

[@Sephiel263]

For sure the "localisation" of Fire Emblem if. Treehouse /butchered/ that title. Even setting the skinship thing aside (which to be honest I would've ignored anyway) the translation was absolutely dreadful and changed many characters to be boring stereotypes.

[@prince_nocturne]

Love the evolution of the music you used during this. Nice touch.

[@587DeathKing]

I miss Pre-Awakening Fire Emblem. I can only hope that the Swtich Gamcube VC rumors are true and hopefully Nintendo puts Path of Radiance on it so that newer fans can experience Pre Awakening FE.

[@NuclearToxinify]

Anybody else think Soleil isn't pronounced Solyle, but rather Solay? I always pronounced it the latter since Soleil is french for sun which is pronounced Solay.

[@pnyhmsmx]

NuclearxToxin If a person isn't aware of French, mispronunciations is to be expected.

[@viscount8388]

NuclearxToxin Not to mention that Laslow called her that way.

[@vivienportier4809]

As a french, you are right, it's pronounced Solay.

[@Underworlder5]

i have seen "noire" get pronounced exactly the way you spell it. some are just unaware of how other languages are pronounced

[@supersonicwarrior55]

I always thought it was So-lee-el. >.>

[@Demonskunk]

The removal of the support conversation with the assassin bothers me a lot more than the petting bs.

[@pnyhmsmx]

Min Lungelow What assassin?

[@Supernat98]

pnyhmsmx I think he's talkung about saizo X beruka's c-support conversation

[@dricsi07]

Wellcome in the club. :/ And rest asure that FAR from being the only one that was drasticly changed.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

Izana, Soleil (because implications?), Elise's age, Effie as a character, male Kana's non-Selkie S supports and the second gen in general, bathing suits but Bath Towel. Yep, there were more body accessories in the JP version... Why did they get rid of those body accessories? Fire Emblem is not for babies, Phoenix mode should count as "Can I play, Daddy?".

[@dricsi07]

TheBreakingBenny I think Trrhous disagrees with you in this :/ I hate this wersion just as much as you by the way.

[@ZeroTheHeartlessKing]

you know what, idc what anyone says, i LOVE awakening because of the option to take out perma-death, it made the game less irritating and honestly cheap, it is because of awakening why i played a FE game while it may sound petty to say that i would have never played a FE game because of perma-death, it's even more petty to bitch about something you don't even have to use

[@Droid15243Z]

ZeroTheHeartlessKing Pair up carried enough that perma-death wasn't even a factor, imo.

[@ZeroTheHeartlessKing]

even with the pair up function i still was killed here and there in early levels (the one with the mage boy and the snotty girl was bothersome for me i forget the names of the two XD) but anyways for me i'm just not a fan of perma-death, it makes the game annoying for me but honestly to each his own right^^

[@therapeface4153]

ZeroTheHeartlessKing Yep, I'm sure removing a key point the series is based on is a great idea. You must be a noob to say you never played a FE game before because of the perma death. Besides, Awakening is horribly easy to break and has some piss poor map design

[@ZeroTheHeartlessKing]

i will admit i am a FE noob and i tried a old FE game once and i hated it (i don't remember which one it was tho sadly) btw if you don't mind me asking what does the text in your profile pic say?

[@viscount8388]

The Rape Face I hope you understand Awakening SAVED this franchise. Besides, no one cares how long you have been a fan. A true fan would live its series, even through the worst times.

[@sakutaro3musik486]

awakening was the savior, because people bought it in a time the 3ds didn´t had many games and that was how people started playing fire emblem

[@LPGrodus]

Story Cutting and dialogue cutting is sadly very common in the Fire Emblem games when they are localized. Haha well you were sort of right that I had no idea about some of the controversies but number one I knew of. I've never played Tear Ring Saga but the music is great for it.

[@Will_O_The_Tree]

I wanted to add a Number 11 to this list: Fire Emblem Heroes representation of older games. FE Heroes releases sometime around February of this year, and it's achieved both critical acclaim and critism. The fact that they would capture what made FE so great and place it onto a mobile device was genius. Plus, every character got updated art and a voice actor, which was, for the most part, taken well by the fans. However, the game does a terrible job at representing the older games. Out of the initial roster of 99 units, a total of 48 were from Awakening/Fates. FE5 only had, and still has, 2 reps (Reinhardt and Olwen) and Radiant Dawn only had, and still has ONE. (Sanaki) Plus, out of all the seasonal banners, 22 out of 24 units have been from Awakening/Fates. The only two that weren't were Bridal Lyn and Bridal Caeda. Heroes is meant to be a gateway to the rest of thr franchise, but it doesn't do a very good job of wanting to get you into it.

[@obviusthemaxim2509]

Tokyo Mirage Sessions was an AMAZING JRPG and though it's VERY different due to its quality I think it deserves the Fire Emblem name

[@obviusthemaxim2509]

Denzel Rozier That is why I opted for the Japanese version of the game, gotta thank highschool for those lessons 👌

[@espurrseyes42]

Crystian Corona Lucky. They only teach Spanish and German at my highschool (at least when I was there). And I'm not risking ruining my Wii U trying to mod it to patch in the JP content, so I just decided not to get the game, which is a shame because it seemed like a good game before NoA got their hands on it.

[@obviusthemaxim2509]

Denzel Rozier I mean mu friend got the NoA release and other than the outfits from what I saw nothing much was changed

[@espurrseyes42]

Crystian Corona There was one whole chapter about Gravure modelling (hope I spelled that right) that was heavily altered from what I heard in the NA version. There was also some hotspring DLC that was never released in North America.

[@obviusthemaxim2509]

Ik that they changed that, and I hate NoA, it doesn't make sense, the target market are the people who are already know what they're in for sp why do they have to play the damn parent?

[@PlasterManner]

Lyn is bae.

[@teaberry369]

YOU EVEN SPELLED HER NAME WRONG

[@PlasterManner]

Sorry i got my waifu's mixed up.

[@noonespecial7784]

JBDAGOD Lyndis

[@8elementallords]

I don't understand how anyone could hate Lyn's story in FE7, much less to the point of wanting to skip it, if all the tutorialing bothers someone that much, then just play it on Hard, none of the hand-holding/teaching aspects are there on that setting. And I honestly didn't find it to be easier than the rest of the game either. Plus, skipping it is a bad idea since all of the levels and stats the units from Lyn's story gain carry over once they show up in Eliwood's and Hector's, skipping over it is a wasted opportunity, especially since Lyn and all of the other characters in Lyndis' Legion would be lagging behind Eliwood's army by the time they join up if you skipped it. And honestly, I think I preferred Lyn's part of the story over the main game...in the main game, I kind of felt like I was running around everywhere little rhyme or reason :/ Lyn's felt much more cohesive and more well tied together in my opinion.

[@therapeface4153]

+8elementallords Storywise, Lyn's story is all that too hot, it's arguably better than Eliwood's/Hector's but it's not that good. Besides, you can only see the same 10 chapter story so many times. Level-wise:You don't need the levels. Even on HHM, the units can be viable. Besides, all of the characters in Lyn's story aren't worth training. Raph shows up late and under levelled anyway, Wallace is lol, Will is an archer, Lyn's the worst lord in the game, Lucius is meh because light magic is bad. Erk, Serra, Kent, Sain,Florina and Matthew come early anyway. Gameplay wise, it's just boring. It's small, linear maps with boring objectives. You're weak, have little units and little items. Lyn's mode is good for a tutorial, but just a plain slog every other time, sorta like KH2's opening section.

[@Bololorg]

As a person whose known about FE way before Awakening i still can't wrap my head around why other veteran FE fans said that ruined the franchise. Yeah they could argue that they introduced some stuff that simplified the gameplay but still, FE would've ended right then and there if it wasn't for that game.

[@SnipingIsFun]

I love the Fire Emblem series, it is one of my favorite Nintendo franchises. From the strategy gameplay and music to the stories and characters. Seeing the stories unfold and seeing the connection between characters unfold as well, whether the story or unit supports. I am also glad its rise in popularity has added more representation to Smash. Really looking to future Fire Emblem games. Whether new games or remakes.