How to thicken pines for shohin

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@jessestrong7269 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been doing this technique for years. It’s the best way to get branches where you want them. I can count on buds popping on almost every wrap that bites in dramatically. It was something I didn’t expect to happen but over the years it has consistently so it’s something I now tell people to try.

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I have noticed this too. Thanks for sharing.

@yevhenbryukhov 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the useful video and your subscribers for their comments!!! The production quality of your videos is great too! I just bought two Balkan/Macedonian pines (5-needle white pines), pinus peuce. And will try this technique - more for the back-budding. Pines seem to be around 5 years old (~1m long, until I cut off the upper half). As these nursery stock specimens have very few structural branches in proper places, that can be kept... You know, 4-5-6 branches on the internodes with relatively big distances between those.

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Yevhen! If you find the content helpful you could thank me by clicking the "Thanks" button found just below the video. Thank you! I am sure this technique will work for you, and you may also try grafting onto those currently unusable branches.

@andrewbulman2288 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Terry. Thanks for this video. Very helpful in understanding what to do next with my JBP that I purchased from you. Would it be possible next time to do a video with a slightly older tree showing the next step when the main leader sacrifice branch is removed and the lower branches developed?

@terryerasmus 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew. You will not remove the leader for many years so such a video is not relevant to you now. Be patient with these trees and it will be rewarded.

@acooke7574 Жыл бұрын

Great video thanks Terry; I’m currently considering if this could perhaps be used to rectify ‘inverse taper’ created by a typical black pine whorl. I’ve got two with which i’m unsure what i’m going to do. Both have notable thickening from a whorl of branches which developed before i purchase them as nursery stock and occur maybe 100mm up the trunk. Alternatively, i think the options are problem to hope for some buds below the problem area from which to rebuild, or carving. Anyway, i’d be interested to know if you’ve used this technique to deal with anything similar.

@TerryErasmusbonsai Жыл бұрын

Its an interesting proposition, although I don't think it will work. You can give it a go of course but you need to wire all the way from the base to this point and then you are going to have to allow an escape branch. I think you are better off scion grafting below the problem and creating a new trunkline. "Hope" when it comes to budding on a pine is a risky strategy at best...ha ha ha. Nope, never tried to remedy a problem you have with this technique. Therefore I cannot say it will not work.

@jyudy7dytcjux 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Terry and thank you for the technique. I read you blog about a year ago and tried cage wiring all of my three year old previously trained JBP. They were curved just like the ones you are demonstrating. So now, with the first wiring (mostly) removed, I’m looking forward to doing it again on the trees once they have recovered. Like yours, I had to start removing the top half and leave the bottom to cut in more. It’s a very satisfying technique! Now after watching your video, I’m wondering how caging a couple of older trees might work. They are pretty straight and boring and only one lower branch. You say that there are buds forming on the swelling. I wonder if it can improve them? I’d say the trees are between 7-8 years old. Thoughts?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 3 жыл бұрын

You can definitely use cage wiring on older trees. Whether they will form buds one this older wood I am not sure. If it has formed noticeable bark it’s unlikely.

@richardhollows2405 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Terry, agreed awesome and insightful video. Can this be applied to a root over rock pine?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard. Sure! Don’t see why not. Just be careful when applying the wire that you don’t dislodge the tree from the rock.

@lopipol671 Жыл бұрын

hi, thx for sharing, can you explain which soil do you use from seed to this 5 or6 year old trees? thank you

@TerryErasmusbonsai Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Sure I can. I have learnt a lot from the expert pine growers in Takamatsu, Japan. They use decomposed granite, which I do not have but what I use instead is silica stone or lava stone. I add 20% akadama to this. So its a very free draining mix, which I place into development clay pots (not colanders). As it drains so well I do need to water a couple times a day in summer but this means I can fertilize strongly (so I am using a lot of solid, organic fertilizer).

@quangvietphi9483 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! I want to create a bonsai with big trunk. So I should grow it on the field or on the pots? Please give me an advise. Thank you very much!

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

You can grow it in the field or you can use progressively larger containers. Good luck!

@christymartin6281 11 ай бұрын

I am curious if this technique will work with a grafted pine? I bought this pine last summer, and am waiting for spring to repot with bonsai soil. Not happy with a graft, the only way this variety is available, so I will make the best of it.

@TerryErasmusbonsai 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Christy. I am guessing as I do not know from fact…. For this technique to work you should use a species which is going to bark up. This technique is perfect for black pine as it develops a good bark. For something like a Japanese white pine which for the most part has a smooth bark it would leave a scar for MANY years until it’s very old indeed. Grafted trees are here to stay and for a reason. The best is to look for a tree which has been grafted well to begin with. A bad graft will most likely remain a bad graft.

@davidn3841 2 жыл бұрын

After the first wiring... when can i apply the second wiring? Should it be next autumn? You said to wire the 2nd wiring should be next to first wiring?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

This does not mean to put 2 strands of wire on. It means that you remove the 1st wire when it is biting in a lot. When you do this this you apply the next wire next to the groove left by the 1st wire. This is then the 2nd wire.

@litsnombre6390 2 жыл бұрын

I will do the same on my JBP's, thin trunk..... thanks!

@TerryErasmusbonsai Жыл бұрын

It really works. Good luck.

@mattbrennan647 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant! Thanks Terry

@TerryErasmusbonsai 11 ай бұрын

Very welcome Matt. Works like a charm. Also produces loads of budding on the trunk due to the concentration of hormones in those swellings.

@timmywood9677 3 жыл бұрын

That a very useful tip thank for sharing this idea

@markwoodard659 Жыл бұрын

This is the first I’ve seen of actually removing the wire. I was always told to use small wire, 2mm maybe and allow it to be consumed by the trunk or just letting it grow in. What is your opinion of this?

@TerryErasmusbonsai Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark for the question. It’s best to remove the wire IMO or it will cause some pretty ugly swelling. I’ve also never heard/read of keeping the wire on permanently. It could be that when field growing pines and using “cage wiring” it’s not possible to remove the wire in time but the resulting scars are visible for a very long time. However if you for instance refer to the well established techniques as described in the earlier Bonsai Today publications, the wire is removed before it is completely enveloped. This is the technique I use although I fully respect there are variation or simply other ways of doing things. By the way, the use of thicker wire is not only to cause swelling and thus accelerated thickness - it’s also for giving the tree some exaggerated curved at a young age. You definitely will not be able to give curves with a thin wire unless you’re wiring very young pines indeed.

@markwoodard659 Жыл бұрын

@@TerryErasmusbonsai thanks so much for the prompt response. Love your videos and enjoy learning from you!

@matshagstrom9839 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think its too soon to do this in conjunction with repotting or exposing roots to make sure too position and angles are ideal? thanks, Mats H

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

You could apply the wire when you repot for sure.

@BonsaiCornerSouthSumatera 3 жыл бұрын

nice video .. beautiful shohin bonsai

@rin7074 3 жыл бұрын

great stuff Terry

@cyrillouw9694 4 ай бұрын

Hi. How do I correct reverse tapering.

@TerryErasmusbonsai 4 ай бұрын

If you mean you applied this technique and got reserve taper? I have found the tree is that young it corrects itself. However if an older tree then you could use this technique to the portion which is thinner. The wire needs to be coiled tightly though. And bear in mind that when working with seedlings the resulting wire bite has many years to disappear. With an older tree the wire bite may be more visible for longer.

@Morning1217 2 жыл бұрын

Would you cut the shoots at the bottom the thicken thunk? Thanks for reply!

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

I would suggest that you do NOT cut anything when you are thickening the trunk as all this growth helps to speed up the trunk thickening process. It is only once the tree has reached the thickness you want that you can start removing the trunks, in stages - never all in one go.

@Morning1217 2 жыл бұрын

@@TerryErasmusbonsai Thank you very much! It will help me right now!

@juliosilva4986 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this vídeo! Very interesting!

@TerryErasmusbonsai Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it Julio!

@cherylandrews3195 3 жыл бұрын

how old does your JBP have to be to start doing this? Thx for the video :)

@TerryErasmusbonsai 3 жыл бұрын

Very good question. You can start as soon as it’s possible to put wire on without damaging the seedling. Realistically say in the 2nd growing season.

@yk1997aac 2 жыл бұрын

Does this technique only work on pines or also on other trees?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

I’m only aware of it being used on pines. This is due to the extreme wire bite. Theoretically any species could be subjected to this but it all depends on how the bite will be covered over, disguised or repaired.

@yk1997aac 2 жыл бұрын

@@TerryErasmusbonsai Thanks for the quick answer, i`ve been thinking about trying it on a larch .. it`s quite vigorous so it should be worth a try i guess?

@JanChem-ds8mh 9 ай бұрын

How old this tree?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 9 ай бұрын

2 years old I believe, from seed.

@BONSAIenCORTO 3 жыл бұрын

I will Apply. Thank you!!!

@jerzinho92 2 жыл бұрын

Interresting!

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

I am glad you found it to be interesting!

@BonsaiByLAN 3 жыл бұрын

What about the wiring causes the trunk to swell?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 3 жыл бұрын

Good question. I am not sure, I could speculate but thats no good. I just know that it works very well.

@kylepurvis6231 3 жыл бұрын

The constriction of the wire causes the tree to swell around it as the tree adds on new growth because the wire will not stretch it pushes the new growth up between the wire. When the wire is removed the tree fills in the gap left causing the thickening.

@kalandrakasartbonsai5400 3 жыл бұрын

That is a great pine...

@davidn3841 2 жыл бұрын

Can this be used on japanese red pine?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but usually red pine is appreciated for a more slender and longer trunk in the bunjin style.

@pegaweisrabutan3793 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍

@TerryErasmusbonsai 2 жыл бұрын

ha ha ha, thank you

@rydoggjunit 10 ай бұрын

Why can’t you crisscross?

@TerryErasmusbonsai 10 ай бұрын

You are of course welcome to do as you feel. However it is my opinion that it’s not a good idea because you keep changing the sapflow. The biting in causes the direction of the flow to change. Once this has been established and you then alter it by 180deg I assume this will not be good. So my comment is not based on scientifically sound evidence, it’s merely my observation and theory.