Tesla Full Self-Driving Face-Off: Not What I Expected!

[@forthrightnight]

You should have gone back to that work zone and talked to the sign guy to have him flip it to stop next time by. Could have arranged for both cars to have it happen. These are the edge cases that Tesla is looking for. Sometimes we may have to make them occur.

[@kevintran1070]

Awesome comparison between HW3 and HW4 in FSD mode! Thanks!

[@ItsKimJava]

Appreciate it! It was fun to test them side-by-side!

[@rwjr1944]

The complacency issue is real. I purposely manually drive my car once or twice everyday just to maintain my driving skills

[@danieleb2945]

I have noticed this as well and do the same

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Neither Hardware 3 nor Hardware 4 indicated when exiting a roundabout. This is a requirement in many states. I think I am the only person in America who does this. Years of training in the UK where this practice is commonplace, and required. I get that in the US people may not know this rule because roundabouts are pretty rare, but the car should know all the rules of the road and indicate where required to do so.

[@richardgreen8003]

Your navigation is in the top right hand corner of the screen. If you swipe from right to left it will open up as a large screen for you to see everything. Swiping it back is easy too. Of course, you know this. But it's a good teaching point for some.

[@simonmiller5118]

I have been following you for several years and you have been great, but I must say this was an absolutely fantastic video and one of your best. Brilliant and very instructive. I have a Tesla Model Y here in Australia with Auto Pilot but I rarely use it as I find I suffer more stress overseeing it's operation than just driving the car myself. It's like teaching my kids to drive again. Do you find this also?

[@jamesgilbert1969]

Last month, with 12.3.6, my Model Y LR chose to avoicd traffice cones and hit a high curb with no warning. Ruined a new Hankook Ion and the front riight Gemini wheel. I left the repaid center nearly $1,300 poorer (plus $300 for a longer tow ride) and a Continental tire with my 3 remaining Hankooks. Maintaining “full control at all times” doesn’t work when there’s no warning at all.

[@mylesgray3470]

That’s a bummer! I tested FSD a bit in my Y and the car waited too long to merge to prepare for a freeway exit and another car was merging into that space already. Seemed like it would have crashed had I not taken over. I quit using FSD after that. It still needs a lot more work.

[@franklong6269]

1. I have a 2022 Model 3 with Hardware 3 and I have been running the latest version of FSD. It works spectacularly well on my Model 3. I was not a fan of the earlier versions of FSD, but the newest version is a HUGE improvement on the older versions. Tesla's FSD is genuinely useful now. 2. On my car with HW3, the car will not go through a yellow light. It will panic stop at yellow lights if necessary. This doesn't bother me because it is the safest thing to do. 3. The car automatically switches to "Chill" mode at night without my input when using FSD. I haven't tried to change it yet. 4. You can adjust the car to move with traffic, and it will exceed the speed limit in order to follow traffic. 5. In a 30 mph zone, the car recognized the speed limit sign but kept trying to go 40 mph. 6. The car recognizes marked speed bumps and automatically slows down. I am still determining what it does with unmarked speed bumps. 7. I had problems activating the ASS function the first time that I used it, but that probably is because I am still learning how to use it. Overall, I would rate the FSD on my 2022 Model 3 as 9 out of 10. It is the best autonomous driving system on the market, and it is approaching the point where it will be fully autonomous.

[@XRP-O.G]

The question is will Hw3 be capable of unsupervised fsd when that time comes like Tesla seems to think hw4 will be with more confidence.

[@franklong6269]

@@XRP-O.G True, But it appears that Tesla will pay for the hardware upgrade if that is the case. From what I understand, all new Tesla cars can have their hardware upgraded by design. Because self-driving is so complex, I believe the entire industry will have to go this route. Really, it only makes sense and it's not that hard to make the main computer and cameras easy to upgrade.

[@mousepotatop9767]

Tesla FSD is the best difference between all electric cars.

[@franklong6269]

@@mousepotatop9767 It's the best autonomous driving system on any car.

[@BarnardShow]

@@mousepotatop9767: it looks like you never seen other FSD EV in your life. 😂

[@ralphpetry1745]

As someone with the obsolete Hardware 2.5, I was told by Tesla that they will upgrade for free to Hardware 3 if I purchased FSD but would have to pay for the upgrade if I want to subscribe. I suspect they will do the same if it becomes necessary to go from 3 to 4. I think Tesla would not lose either way as they will probably start raising the price if it gets to the point of using it to make money.

[@aussie2uGA]

2018 model 3 here. $1000 to get autopilot, then upgrade to hw3, then can take advantage of FSD.

[@NanoSchaap]

I purchased my Model Y with FSD at full price to sponsor the development of the capabilities. Now if to get FSD I need a hardware upgrade it is on Tesla’s camp to fulfill the requirements of those who trusted the brand from the beginning. I bet it will be cheaper to upgrade on those who bought the option than dealing with legal issues down the road. In the end , it is a matter or honouring the deal and keep brand loyalty. Competition is fierce and will soon affect Tesla’s dominance in the market.

[@tedmoss]

Right now, there is nothing on the market or in the near future to affect Tesla's dominance in the market. Tesla engineers will come up with a retrofit package, probably already have.

[@VeganRod]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who forgets when FSD is off, I have to drive.

[@theodorehaskins3756]

Oops! I did not see that coming!😱😱😱🥶🥶🥶

[@jerrybowen2869]

Me too! I can usually tell that FSD is disengaged when the car suddenly veers towards the curb. I'm still learning after 5 fascinating months with FSD. The lesson is: Don't disengage, or do anything that can cause a disengagement, without your hands on the wheel and your foot near the accelerator.

[@fyeofyeo402]

I tried FSD, and it is great during the hours when there are not many people on the roads. However, it is not great at rush hour.

[@mylesgray3470]

Agreed. Doesn’t do well with Seattle traffic. You need to get into the lane you need a mile or two ahead because you might not have a chance if you wait to the last half mile and FSD is too optimistic on that.

[@tedmoss]

@@mylesgray3470 This is a bug.

Always love your FSD videos! Thank you for continuing to make them.

[@ItsKimJava]

We’re glad you find them helpful!

[@mousepotatop9767]

Just like in photography, higher resolution camera video processing demands higher processing speed. HW4 needs more processing power to just process more data, but as photographers know, the image data is still there. Of course, Elon has to say HW4 is better, but HW3 may actually be on par with it. There must be a huge increase in processing power to make any meaningful difference. The Robotaxi probably uses this higher capable processor. I just drove 100+ miles on FSD 12.5.4.1 and it was pretty good on both highway and city traffic. Traffic flow consistency, keeping up with traffic, needs improvement, and too brisk acceleration from a complete stop needs improvement. In your video, the driving is pretty much the same in both cars. The later HW3 cars are more comfy and quieter than the earlier ones by far.

[@adairmartin]

One thing to consider is there are a LOT of HW3 cars that have NOT purchased FSD. Elon has only said that those who purchased FSD would get the upgrades. So, does that mean that if someone is buying FSD month to month qualifies for the upgrade? How about those who purchased FSD later, after the initial purchase? Would a car get upgraded even if they never use FSD? From what I understand, only a minority of the HW3 cars have purchased the FSD package. So, maybe not very many would actually qualify for the free upgrade (if needed).

[@ChitFromChinola]

Yup, I think you’ve got it. Current FSD owners would get free hardware upgrades. If non-FSD owners buy FSD, Tesla could include the upgrade cost with the cost of FSD.

[@stevenschmidt]

Maybe they would just offer a significantly discounted upgrade to a newer car instead, and see how many of those people take them up on that.

[@xghostyxjokerx]

This needs be questioned and answered , Elon or tesla team... 🙏

[@veronicathecow]

It would affect the resale value of a hw3 tesla as it was originally sold with the promise that it would do FSD.

[@BarnardShow]

What about half FSD? Does it come with AI 4 hardware?

[@kenyoung4881]

Have PJ run across the road to test. 😂

[@supercadet111]

🤣FOR SCIENCE!!!🤣

[@Duder0n]

You can change the waypoint without disengaging FSD, just hit end trip. Definitely recommended as it will continue driving and you don't have to try to type and drive at the same time.

[@38Flyer]

Kim your content is like no other on KZbin---fantastic job!!!! Practical, fun, and very entertaining.

[@JTwoCrazy]

1:45 “Good to go 🙂‍↔️👍🏽” 😂😂 yea ok buddy

[@veronicathecow]

HW3 will not be replaced by HW4, but maybe a variant of it, especially for that purpose.

[@multicamzilla4669]

They will need to make a HW4 computer with a HW3 backplane. Shouldn't be a big deal, but will take time.

[@veronicathecow]

@@multicamzilla4669 Cooling may be an issue.

[@richardgreen8003]

In the latter part of your drive I noticed, and it bothers me to no end, that FSD will change lanes without turning on the blinker to let other drivers know what your intentions are. It sometimes does this behavior when exiting the highway. I like to let other drivers know what I am doing.

[@SuperchargedTravels]

HW3 compute can be retrofit, but changing the cameras would be cost prohibitive. I suspect they will swap out the compute module just as they did when moving from HW2 to HW3 and work with the existing cameras.

[@multicamzilla4669]

The cameras are cheap, computer is way more expensive than the cameras.

[@WanderlustWonderscape]

@@multicamzilla4669The majority of the expense is human labor. Swapping the cameras takes too long. The HW 2.5 to HW 3 swap was quick.

[@AndreBragaBr]

Awesome! Excellent video! 👏🙌✨

[@AndyPanda9]

13:25 I've gotten tickets for going thru yellow light like that -- wonder how that works with FSD is the one deciding to gun it thru the yellow?

[@mitchanderson7307]

Thanks to chips from TSMC going from 7nm to 5nm to 3nm, I imagine they can now fit HW4 performance on a HW3 board with the original low power consumption.

[@r-saint]

Maybe they will be able to upgrade HW3 to AI5? Or specially designed AI5 with the same ports.

[@KENRBLXGAMING]

She’s pretty bruh

[@ChristianKurzke]

Does this HW3 versus HW4 also apply to Model S? And how can I tell which one I got?

[@glenweir8070]

I have a 2020 M 3 and a new cybertruck and yes the truck drives itself better and I would not feel bad about paying for a retrofit myself

[@veronicathecow]

Thank you, very useful

[@berttroubleyn3475]

Intresting comparison, thanks!

[@jerrybowen2869]

Nice video! Interesting. We have a new M3 with H4 and FSD. Love it. Wanted to comment on one point you raised. I knew immediately that I was safer with FSD than without. I also noticed that I'm suddenly prone to make mistakes, sometimes serious mistakes, when I drive without FSD. My already questionable driving skills might be getting (definitely are?) worse because of FSD.

[@gregorysims3697]

How about a demo of FSD trial on your Model X? I'm very happy with it on mine.

[@mscolli3]

They should make it a preference on how aggressive you want it to be on yellow lights.

[@arecibo1974]

FSD trial was working perfectly for me at 12.5.4v but after the last update to 12.5.4.1v that mess it up big time. Random hard slow down, cutting in front of cars dangerously on other lanes to speed up and waiting until the last second to switch lanes to take an exit instead of being in the right lane a mile or two ready to take the exit. I had to intervene 3 times in a 35 minute drive 🤯😰👎🏼 Model 3 2024 refresh

[@NeilBergman]

You have s lot of really pretty fall colors back there, Kim. It looks gorgeous. Not so much here in central California.

[@M3SR2023]

You and PJ always put out awesome quality videos! This was a great experiment!

[@ItsKimJava]

Appreciate it! It was fun to put together!

[@multicamzilla4669]

@@ItsKimJava What versions were you on for this test?

[@MrH786]

Kim, could you do a video explaining all the safety features included with the Model Y, especially with a focus on collision avoidance? Do you need to purchase the FSD or do all the cars come with the safety features? Thanks.

[@ItsKimJava]

Safety features are all active regardless

[@xghostyxjokerx]

Any phantom breaking? Merging in and out highway is bad and rotary?

[@willberger96]

Very cool! Thanks for sharing!

[@jstar1000]

I have a 2019 with FSD my car yesterday did pretty good except a two lane was turning into a one lane and where it does that the right lane that was ending turns right into a neighborhood. There is a sign saying lane ends merge left but my car stayed in the right lane that was ending and turning right with no slowing or anything I had to take over. Then when I got home the car did pretty amazing other then the one misshape but once I got home it couldn't figure out how to turn into my driveway, it started to then stopped half in the road and half in the driveway. Seems stupid it can do all it does in traffic etc then can't pull into a driveway.

[@Padygy]

can you do a video of the longjevity and reliability of your 2018 model 3? im thinking of jumping into a juniper and would love a review of a 5+ year old tesla

[@james62370]

Greatly appreciate this video, especially for many of us who've initially invested in FSD. I do hope Elon will stand by his word in upgrading to hardware v4 if necessary.

[@eastmanwebb5477]

Since Elon made the statement that HW3 owners will get upgraded FSD computers if necessary to achieve FSD unsupervised, and this was said during an earnings conference call, Tesla runs the risk of a class action lawsuit if the CEO of the company doesn’t keep his word.

[@brianspencer7173]

I drive 1,200 miles from SD to Niagara Region in Canada every month. I hit ten superchargers along the way and drive all night on FSD. I can tell you my model 3 is a fantastic road trip car. That aside, FSD beeps at me constantly and it is loud and annoying and hurts the ears! The cameras are not able to see the sides of the road well enough when it is a dark night. (Hardware 3, 2021 standard range plus)… additionally, with snow tires on, Tes will start whipping back and forth in the lane. Over corrective steering. Scares the crap out of other drivers!!! Additionally, when passing trucks, Tes will sometimes move in front of the truck after passing with only a couple cars length of space. NOT OK!

[@theperfectkingcake4374]

When Tesla releases unsupervised FSD, will you go to sleep during your monthly 1200-mile trip?

[@tobiewolmarans4057]

You put a lot of work in your videos. Thank you😂

[@raulsuazo5015]

Fsd feels natural. I own a model 3 2020 and a model 3 highland. The fsd on the older model is really aggresive even on the same settings as the other vehicle that feels way more natural.

[@lenimbery7038]

I've got the new month trial of FSD which I started last week....I've been wondering about how it will work on a journey that takes me out of cell tower or satellite connectivity?....I'll be trying this later today to see how it works.

[@jameshoffman552]

My MY IA3 works great - it just drove me cross-continent, just occasional phantom braking and jerky slow speed turns.

[@jeremyparvinrealestateinve7087]

Hair, makeup and outfit, two thumbs up

[@briansmith8320]

If they needed to upgrade the HW3 cars, it would only be for the ones that purchases FSD in full. That's a fraction of the cars out there.

[@Joe-420-69]

If they get to the point when they decide HW3 has to be upgraded. FSD price will increase around 3 to 4k at the same time giving FSD deals on new models. They can upgrade the existing HW3 FSD customers but deter any new HW3 models signing up.

[@rjahn3000]

Love the new 3! Thanks for the comparison.

[@xghostyxjokerx]

Does not stop for pedestrian trying to crosswalk in a road...

[@EwanM11]

It will be trivial for Tesla to build HW5 using the same hw3 form factor if they have to.

[@ripvanstinkle]

Really nice comparison. I hope HW3 is upgradable!

[@davidkon6285]

Elon was talking about the AI inference computer for HW3 only, not the cameras.

[@zubinix]

I havd HW3 in my car but did not buy FSD with it since it is not released in Australia yet. I hope I can get the HW4 upgrade still if it is ever offered.

[@grahamstefaan]

11.5 4.1 on my hw4 M3P has been shockingly good. Even weaved for a squirrel in the road.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

I did not catch the version levels for each car, i ran 2400KM on our Canadian Thanksgiving weekend from Sechelt BC to Calgary AB on higgway 1 and highway 5, ghe on highway 2 to Edmonton the highway 16 to Edson, then highware 5 to Hpe and highway 1 back to Sechelt. I used version 12.5.4.1. Many construction zone speed limited signs that were on short posts (under 2-1/2 feet) it did not see, while the over 3 foot signs it did. So speed limit signs recognition not near as good as standard Autopilot.

[@TrafalgarL4wyer]

One important point that wasn't mentioned (unless I missed it) but is detrimental to the comparison is: are they both running the same exact version of FSD? If the HW4 was on 12.5.6 and HW3 was on 12.5.4.1 for example, the comparison would be flawed.

[@ItsKimJava]

It was mentioned right at the start of the drive. Same exact version.

[@multicamzilla4669]

What versions were you on for these tests?

[@bujin5455]

14:00. Tesla said it would be too costly to retrofit, because they don't want to do it, and they didn't think they would need to do it, so they up played the difficulty. But at the same time, Tesla is contractually obligated to deliver FSD to the customers who bought it, so if they can't ship FSD on HW3, then they will have to upgrade it. So since it now looks like something they might have to do, they are trying to not freakout the investors.

[@ChillSydneyWebSurfer]

wow case is next level

[@ItsKimJava]

It actually is!

[@mikefredrick191]

Currently, hardware 4.0 runs Hardware 3 in emulation mode. If it ai4 wasn't restricted by hardware 3 limitations would it perform better?

[@GMAC21]

I don't own FSD, but I'd gladly pay to upgrade to HW4 if it was for a reasonable cost.

[@aaronalter2000]

Great video!

[@tesla-spectre]

When one sees how well FSD works in the US , I get real sad that over here my Tesla cannot even recognise speed signs properly but has at best a 70-75% success rate. Which renders even the basic autopilot practically useless outside of the highways. 😢

[@chezchezchezchez]

Damn 2022 LR here, and I have HW 3.0 Wish they upgraded it sooner.

[@cellman1829]

It's interesting that the VP of engineering asks Kim about her 2018 Model 3 " does it come with HW 3 or 4 " !! 🤔🤔 You helped develop that car I would think he out of all people would know that a 2018 Model 3 only is equipped with HW 3 !!! 😂 That is why I think he was not being fully transparent when answering her question since he was on camera just my thought

[@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness]

They should update the HW3 as that was what we were told when we bought FSD originally. Keep your promises to keep the loyalty of customers. Hope they live up to that promise.

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

Great and informative video, but I don't think I need or expect u supervised fsd with my hw3 car. I'll buy a new car once they really figure this out. I'll want the newest hardware which I suspect is still a version or two above hw4.

[@LifelongMusicJunkie]

Are there two kinds of Hardware 4? Sometimes you say Hardware 4 and sometimes AI 4 so are they the same? Thanks! I have a 2023 Model S with hardware 4 (red dots) but never heard it referenced as Ai, thanks!

[@ItsKimJava]

They are the same. Tesla just calls it Ai4, though even Elon uses the names interchangeably

[@LifelongMusicJunkie]

@@ItsKimJava As I kept listening to the end, I figured it was interchangeable. I have FSD for a 1-month trial and I bail out too often at this stage with the trust level only at the beginning! The Summon is really cool though! Cheers

[@danharold3087]

Yes they are the same. New name.

[@famvip6]

That is one beautiful model 😍 🥰

[@DayTradeEssentials]

How do you get better content and better looking at the same time?! Keep up the great work.

[@ronsexton3685]

He made it clear at the time that it was not feasible to upgrade the camera's. Not compute.

[@Ask-a-Rocket-Scientist]

I think he’s saying he will upgrade the processors only, but I’m guessing. And they only if you bought FSD.

[@Cloxxki]

Phantom Braking since 2014. Imagine being the first to show it and the last to get rid of it. Seems to have gotten worse in 10 years?

[@ItsKimJava]

Is phantom braking still happening on your newer hardware Tesla? I think those are the edge cases the higher res/newer cameras can resolve.

[@danharold3087]

Phantom Braking is a symptom, usually indicating underlying mismatches within perception and decision-making system. An improvement to the system may result in phantom braking that needs to be trained out of the system. It will come and go over time as the result of iterative improvements to the system.

[@ronin7645]

Worse in 10 years??? No dude, no, it's not worse since 2016.

[@grahamstefaan]

Great video. Do it again on 12.6.

[@POINDXTRMUSIC]

FSD on hardware 3 is sketchy for me. Feels like the inputs are around a second delayed and that’s the difference between hitting a curb or having a close call. Happens allll the time. Autopilot feels way safer

[@GreenmeResearch]

Isn't this test useless as HW4 is in HW3 emulation mode. This was noted a few months ago.

[@davidwilkie9551]

Ain't nobody takin' away ma drivin' habits.

[@anastasiawhite7482]

Great video. Enjoy these comparisons. I don’t think Elon will retrofit HW3 cars, certainly not for free, because where is the incentive to buy a replacement car with HW4 technology. Nonetheless it seems like these old cars (I have one) are doing just fine with FSD. I was very impressed with the HW3 and really have no desire to get a HW4 car, especially when they are equipped with haptic buttons on the steering wheel to control the indicator lights

[@anastasiawhite7482]

I will wait for HW5 to come out.

[@theperfectkingcake4374]

The incentive for Elon is the data to feed into his new supercomputers. The more FSD users in the network, the better the network performs. Every FSD user is a data point that makes the algorithm better.

[@anastasiawhite7482]

@ she has just proven that FSD works well on HW3 cars.

[@vegyesz89]

7:28 "Plays it safe and lets the car pass" I would say, it failed to recognize it had its own lane. Such a mistake means failure (or penalty points) during the driving exam in Europe...

[@WAGISDev]

The removal of the radar was a mistake as it would fill in gaps of the visual sensors reducing some of the errors that FSD does.

[@DanFrederiksen]

I wouldn't send HW3 or 4 out as taxis completely on their own but computationally it's quite possible to make HW3 fully capable of driving on its own, just might not be responsible in the long run to do it.

[@dscarty]

Why do B pillars sometimes get really hot on new Teslas?

[@Mickeywdw1254]

I wonder if they could offer a steep discount for those of us with HW3 towards the purchase of a new Tesla? Would really help with sales numbers too. 🤷😁🤞

[@WanderlustWonderscape]

12:12 - You don't need to disengage FSD to change the navigation. As you now know, it's safer not to.

[@ItsKimJava]

The issue with the eye tracking is that it takes almost no time before the flashing screen and chime take over, if your eyes aren’t on the road as you know. In this scenario, it took a good 10-20 seconds to figure out which destination we were navigating to.

[@WanderlustWonderscape]

@@ItsKimJava Understood. When wearing sunglasses, it keeps track of the orientation of your head... just sayin'.

[@PhillProbst]

That encounter with the black SUV has to count as a fail. When two vehicles reach the intersection at the same time, the vehicle on the right has the right of way. FSD should have waited for it to proceed.

[@Streeknine]

Has anyone tried FSD at night? On unlit highways, it will popup FSD performance degraded... and if you cancel the FSD, you can't re-enable it. The little steering wheel disappears. Happened tonight on my trip home tonight.

[@magichut11]

how much difference do you notice with night driving?

[@richardgreen8003]

Retrofit is a bad idea. No.1 batteries will be much better. The car itself will be much better. Maybe Tesla should give us a nice discount to upgrade on a trade-in that wouldn't happen for non FSD owners. Then resell the car w/o FSD and let any new owners make the choice to purchase FSD or not.

[@Gary_Walker90]

Think that potential retrofit is to save them from legal drama. The cost of replacing the hardware probably pales in comparison to all the wasted money they'd have to deal with via class action lawsuits. Unfortunately they marketed all those cars the same with hardly nothing to distinguish them by so everyone expects their hardware 3 to eventually have robotaxi level unsupervised driving and being that that's what he said and what people invested in they must do it. I also assume that's why fsd transfer continue to happen because it's not only fair to give since people already paid for a non realized product but it's good business. You're literally giving them the software they've technically already paid for but they're paying for a new vehicle and staying in the brand.

[@bryanutz4870]

Hardware 3 only needs to be updated if you already own it. Not if you buy it after it finally works. Tesla will should make the statement FSD on hardware 3 has to be purchased before FSD is stated as complete

[@sjvtesla]

Wow... Love this video

[@ItsKimJava]

We appreciate it!

[@mikethelegendarygamer4581]

Love your videos as usual! Love tesla!

[@ItsKimJava]

Appreciate it, we have fun with these!

[@PaulTaylor2424]

You seem to forget there is HW5 on the horizon

[@thedudeabides2531]

You’re brave to trust Tesla to self drive on those narrow roads with oncoming traffic. I’d be too superstitious that it would make a mistake and swerve into oncoming traffic.

[@BrandonDoyleMN]

They still have a very long way to go

[@user-erick007]

Which version of software does both have ???

[@ItsKimJava]

It shows on screen before the drive