Tesla Model 3 SR+ range test in winter

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[@NO3V]

The air density difference between 0° and 20°C in itself is already 7.4% (1.293kg/m³ vs 1.204kg/m³, without even factoring in higher humidity) and that goes into air resistance as a linear factor! So the heat efficiency here is mighty impressive!

[@wermagst]

Higher humidity actually lowers air density. H2O Molecules are lighter than O2 or N2.

[@NO3V]

​@@wermagst Yes, and warmer air might very well have higher humidity than colder air depending on conditions. 100% humidity at 0°C is just 4.89g/m³ [water per air] while it is 17.3 at 20°C.

[@NoName-md5zb]

Not linear

[@LunnarisLP]

tbh 200 Wh/km at 120 is pretty solid. Many cars will do that in perfect conditions lol..

[@101rotarypower]

Please hit this topic hard! Really want to see variations of real world LFP cell usage in cold/very cold weather, and learn what to expect, as this is a common use case for several of us prospective buyers.

[@rufs2006]

I did a 1000km trip in - 6 with my sr+ mic last weekend. Just put the GPS to superchargers, the floor was hot and comfy for the feet the whole trip lol. Consumption around 200 in average. The first leg of the trip had higher consumption to get the battery up to good heat for super charging and had consistent charging speeds as if it was summer

[@Jakob_DK]

Great to hear

[@rufs2006]

Heatpump effeciency is around 1:4 at 8 degrees but drops to 1:2,3 at - 8, and continues to drop to inefficient after - 25. After that it will be a little worse than the 2019 model 3 I guess.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@rufs2006 heatpump with its tiny heating circuit and octovalve (heating and cooling of all systems is shared) should still be more efficient at any temperature.

[@rufs2006]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 when was the octovalve introduced for the model 3? Together with heatpump?

[@Isamu1013]

@@rufs2006 Yes they came as a package. I think it was beginning of 2021.

[@Astrophysikus]

You are absolutely right: autopilot is always nice, but it really shines in bad weather and / or night times. I used to hate driving long distances in this type of conditions. With autopilot, it is no big deal because it is very confident regardless. I just set the speed a bit lower, which honestly only amounts to a few minutes over the course of a two-hour drive.

[@Advcrazy]

Until it snows…then autopilot is just dangerous.

[@Astrophysikus]

@@Advcrazy Fair enough, I have not experienced that so far. Regardless, you have to be extra careful in snow anyway.

[@iamalittlepepper]

@@Advcrazy I think it needs some context. I drive on a highway that was wiped out by a massive storm on the Canadian west coast often. When it snows, you have to be alert and slow down. Snow conditions is always require a reduction of reaction time, if you dial down the speed limit of Autopilot, use what Autopilot is designed for and have snow tires you will be fine. There is a running joke of frequent users on the Coquihalla highway, it is usually the people who speedon the passing line driving premium SUVs with all season tires, that end up pirouetting into the ditch a few KMs down the road.

[@grahammonk8013]

@@iamalittlepepper In Calgary, it's a known fact, not a joke, that the first big snow of the season, there will be a number of brand new SUVs in the ditch or upside down, Most of those will be on all season. The sense of invulnerability should be part of a warning sticker on the dash of all new SUVs. Yeah, AWD or 4x4 will help you get moving easier, (and faster) but does dick all to help you stop.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@Advcrazy thats radar having issues. The non radar autopilot performs very well in snow.

[@Arpedk]

These are amazing good results. In winter the new Model 3 standard range have more range than our old Model 3 LR without the heat pump. The standard range is a better value than most give it credit for!

[@sjoroverpirat]

What year is you car? And what range do you get at around freezing?

[@Arpedk]

@@sjoroverpirat 2019. It is difficult to get much above 350 km of range at 0 degrees

[@aussie2uGA]

@@sjoroverpirat 2018 Dual Motor and I won't ever get 200mi in the winter. Anything beyond 180mi and I have to look for a charger.

[@IakonaWayne]

Yep, you have to think 272 miles for the new 2022 model 3 lfp vs 2022 model 3 LR @ 80% charge is 282 miles. So basically the same. Except the 0 to 60 time and fog lamps ?

[@RandyTWester]

@@aussie2uGA Same for us, started out with 100% charge and preheated, at 251.4 km the car was down to 19% and 54 kwh used of 66 kwh capacity (11% less than 75 kwh advertised at purchase, in 75,000 km) Maximum est. range at -2 celcius is now 310 km (499 advertised)

[@JosephGwynneJones]

Perfect! Was hoping for this kind of test as that’s most similar to a typical UK weather for the majority of the population! Cheers @bjørn!

[@alexandersaksvoll5373]

Thats true. I will be taking delivery of a SR+ to drive from Norwich to Fort William in Scotland over christmas and I am expecting similar conditions on my ca 1000 mile trip. This is a good indicator I suppose.

[@Adam-lx4et]

@@alexandersaksvoll5373 you might be getting the larger battery pack

[@groundless1238]

Woot, commented on your last video and asked for this, great!

[@derseb_3810]

Yeah, thnx Bjørn. Charging test in winter conditions would be nice too. What is the best temperature to charge really fast with the LFP and how'll you get it.

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Tack👍 snygga fälgar från Megahjul! Noice test with the Frigeus tires please☝️

[@tootallno]

Takker Bjørn. Har akkurat bestilt min model 3 standard plus me levering i Jan/feb. Thank you Bjørn, interesting. Ordered my model 3 standard plus with delivery in Jan/Feb

[@EddyKruissink]

I think the turbine rims will have had an effect, especially 120km/h in cold air there is more resistance

[@SuperGURU_Ben]

Looking forward to the cold battery tests you sneak peeked at the end. This was the biggest weekness of lfp, when the battery was super cold, it took ages to heat up and charging was not possible. So I am eager to see how much better it got.

[@vnsolbk]

Cold weather test? I was hoping like -15- -20 celsius at least! This is summer temperatures up North 🤣

[@lindsaybrown7639]

Here in Melbourne Australia we get winters as cold as 1C and I have found the SR+ June 2021 really uses high battery around 230Wh/Km as stop start driving does not use regen as battery is too cold. So a total range of round 200klm to 260klm in winter at best on the freeway it is around the same at 110klm/100klm which is our max speed here pending freeway.

[@petermarkert9600]

This sounds similar to what I have in the Netherlands with my 2020 M3 from China.

Great input.

[@florincocos2142]

Today i have made a trip of 460km with my SR+ MIC, from Constanta to Bucharest and back. In the morning, with 2°C outside, dry road, i have 18kw/h on 110km/h. On my way back, with 12°C and 115km/h, i have 15.5kw/h. I have 18 inch wheels, with aero caps on them.

[@ArdaVatansever]

thanks for the video

[@mywebnet]

One russian guy did test for Tesla model 3 in -35⁰C. The real range dropped twice. He managed to drive 179km. No preheated battery, no tricks, just simple sit&go. Of course this cold is not ordinary day for most world EV owners, but -15~ -25⁰C is decent winter weather for northern residents.

[@44Bigs]

Thank you for doing real world tests like this with normal driving and climate controls on auto. Some people will say you need A/C on LO with fan speed 1 for maximum range but I doubt it's worth the discomfort.

[@quiller297]

Well Bjorn... After your first run at least you have the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

[@laszloszabados6825]

@Bjorn, the 2022 Model 3 RWD MIC/LFP 60kWh with aero hubcap on stock tires (about 4-6% extra), and 10% bigger battery means >300km range (120km/h, wet, 1°C), am I right?

[@Clearphish]

Hmm... No aero wheels, an invitation to a bit of range loss beyond what the LFP batteries already bring. I have the same rims, but I only use them in summer. For Canadians at between -10 C and -30C, a 30% range loss is normal even with the NCA batteries.

[@KineticEV]

What about the aero wheels on the other Model 3 vs. the aftermarket rims on this one? In every test I've seen that reduction in efficiency can be related to that as well.

[@luisag763]

Superb video!

[@rui569]

6:18 says the man with one of the biggest milages in new cars with Driver Assist Systems, but some people like to say otherwise.

[@Paratyphi]

Here in France (North of the country) wa had -7°c for a few days in 2018. Most of the time, temperatures won't go lower than -3°c for a few days in winter. Could be lower in the mountains. The temperature in the test are pretty close to an average winter here.

[@pballa4lyfe]

Would love to see a breakdown at 0 degrees in various conditions (wet, dry, snow) and at -10 at the same 3 conditions to see the variations

[@MarcodeMol]

Thanks Bjorn for this video, any chance for a winter test of a 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR? Just to make your range spreadsheet complete?

[@mrlimey2419]

Looking forward to new 60kwh test, hopefully next week

[@jlfarinha]

@Bjorn, If you want to drive to Switzerland or meet somewhere mid-way, I shall have a 2021 Model 3 with a 60 KWh battery delivered by December 27 - but mind you that I don’t think we shall ever have a Winter here, judging by the comments above ⬆️ 😁 Incredible how I feel anything below 5°C is cold, cold cold 🥶 Seems I still didn’t learn to get the right clothes for the (“mild”, my Nordic friends would say) winter here in Switzerland 🇨🇭 (Full disclosure - I moved to Zurich only at 27 y.o. ☺️)

[@Isamu1013]

It is kinda sad. We used to have real Winters here in Switzerland. Now in the flatlands those are just a distant memory.

[@thomasnilsen6936]

I got a TM3 long range 2021 and the autopilot is not impressive. A lot of ghost braking, even on empty highway roads. Hopefully it will be corrected in future updates

[@flyingkebap]

Can you do Model 3 SR+ MiA test for comparison of the batteries in winter?

[@Marbellous]

I'm not sure if the autopilot in this car is exactly the same as in 2019 Model S, but I had a chance to test that for three weeks and didn't like most of the stuff compared to e-Niro. Of course, there might be some things that would be better by diving in to settings but I didn't like the driving experience at all. Here's the cons and pros from my perspective: - 2019 Model S doesn't read speed signs. This is the biggest flaw because cruise control is not automatic. Cruise control does what it thinks and is very often wrong. For example when joining from 80 road to 80 road, Tesla thinks its 120 km/h. That's bad. Then there's many places where suddenly 80 road turns into 60 road without any reason and the car brakes. (e-Niro reads speed signs but doesn't change cc automatically) - Phantom braking a LOT. It might be a result of a recent updgrade but damn, there was a whole lot of bad braking on the roads I drove in Finland. These roads were totally normal big roads. - Cancelling the autopilot from the steering wheel is hard. You have to go to gym for that :) Canceling it from the lever is not handy in my opinion because it cancels the cc also. There are many cases in my area where you need to cancel the autopilot because the car doesn't know what to do. - Autopilot is getting cautious when someone is joining the big road from the right. Why? While I drive the big road and someone joins, I should not need to give space for the car by braking. Frustrating. There are few good things though (compared to e-Niro): + Automatic lane change is nice + It's better on bad conditions as you said in the video. e-Niro cancels the "autopilot" when it's dark and very wet. + It's a bit better on hard turns

[@kennymagarino5223]

I remember you made a video about the interior heating. I still experience the same issues, very hot air at the feets and very hot air out of central console towards the back seats. My kid of 6 years old is always complaining about it being too hot. I always have to manually turn off the central console. This is very annoying, I’ve had appointments with Tesla service for this but never there was a solution…

[@fabriziom]

With the 2021 model, problem is solved... I guess there will never be a solution for 2019-2020 models

[@jkev1425]

In Germany it is no problem to pre condition the LFP pack before Supercharging. In order to heat the battery the rear rotor must be hot so the heat can be passed into the battery. Some minutes with 180-200 km/h and you drive down your SoC and have warm battery. Perfect conditions for supercharging.

[@christianlichtnecker6856]

Always very interesting is the „real world charging“ - especially with LFP: Without preheated/ preconditioned battery you can only reach 49 instead of 121 kW at 30% SOC.

[@shivan6416]

But why not preconditionning batterie if the system allows it ???

[@sampokuisma8261]

@@shivan6416 you don't always have the option to use superchargers. I noticed this also myself when I did trip to Lapland few weeks ago.

[@shivan6416]

@@sampokuisma8261 your right but it is a particular case. Most countries have à good SuC cover

[@glider019]

Could you please give some informations about the 18“ aftermarket rims

[@ValeraOlexienko]

Hey. Which app is used to show this stats and how to connect it to a car Thanks in advance!

[@Solflex]

@ TeslaBjørn - Are you sure you can trust the car kwh / 100 km? In my e-UP I need + 25% more to charge the car up to the same level again.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, you can trust that number. I have done tons of tests in the past and they point towards that the trip meter is correct. Many people (maybe also you) might think that Tesla doesn't count everything because the consumption seems too low to be true. But remember that Tesla has been in the game for over a decade and they know how to make efficient cars.

[@cansly92]

I am sure you did a similar test with the original battery. How do they compare?

[@zamarinen]

can you test the new updated model 3? (not sr+)

[@draconiane]

Looks like a warm day in Canada

[@Fail743]

Isn't fast charging the bigger problem with LFP batteries?

[@aculeus1971]

I’m a MIC M3 SR+ owner. Do you know why it does not have front fog lights ? Or is the point about auto-steer the reason … I.e. fog lights not needed, just trust the auto-steer. Really like auto-pilot but have not yet enable auto-steer.

[@t.d.5804]

Today I mounted 18" factory tires on my M3P (borrowed them from my GF SR+), 25Wh less consumption. Big tires or winter tires = more consumption

[@tomekwrs]

Be careful with those 18 inch tires on performance model. They are not certified on that car. If you have a crash - insurance could deny the payment.

[@Clearphish]

I think you may mean bigger wheels. A 19" tire is smaller than an 18" since the total diameter is the same for both and the measurement number refers to the wheel size. A smaller wheel needs a larger tire that is actually more efficient.

[@lezzeti]

Yes, more rolling resistance. But then they're completely different tires than summer tires.

[@theophiluslamptey47]

Winter tyres gives you safety for less range

[@koomaj]

Hope Björn gets to test the new base Model 3 RWD too. Bigger battery should make a huge difference in range.

[@laszloszabados6825]

The 2022 Model 3 RWD MIC/LFP 60kWh with aero hubcap on stock tires (about 4-6% extra), and 10% bigger battery means >300km range (120km/h, wet, 1°C), I think!

[@mravecsk1]

Dont know about Germany but not far in Slovakia (Czech republik as well probably) -10 is pretty much normal winter temperature and -20 not unusual..

[@onedankind8168]

30% loss with the ability to 100% charge means it's probably at least equal to the other batteries no? Considering the wet weather too. But 4 degress isn't really that cold either. Does it get worse if it gets colder? 50KW charging is fine by me. Seems like proper battery management and ABC always be charging eliminates most of that issue anyways.

[@welek6465]

The problem is not the range when you drive it’s the loss in range when the car is idle, in winter our model a loses +\- 200km of range each week just to heat the battery if the car is idle

[@monsieurb90]

@@geraldh.8047 This has nothing to do with LFP, it’s the case with all types of batteries in winter, but it’s mostly to because of the frequent need to heat up the cabin. But 200 seems a bit high to me.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. The car does *not* heat up the battery when idle unless the battery temperature goes way below freezing temperatures (typically below -10 degrees). That doesn't happen often. Trust me. What you had was vampire drain because you kept the car awake via the app or you had sentry mode running.

[@petrdreiseitl3763]

@@bjornnyland Agree to this, I had the same experience, Battery heating after the car is idle takes away a lot of range. Make the test again, charge once, but start with cold battery and cabin and split the test in several parts (max 30-50km each) leaving the car and batery get cold again. Maybe prehaet for 15mins before each trip. Then the range on tesla is very short. Usual scenario for comuting people with street parking without own charger at home.

[@welek6465]

@@petrdreiseitl3763 We drive a Model S when i leave it plugged in overnight the consumption is oke, when not plugged in overnight and we drive from home to school, from school to parrents, from parrents to work etc.... each time +/- 5km trip i average 250-450wh/km, when i leave the car charging and letting it pre heat (on home power, it draws +/- 2-5kw/each cold day to get the car ready and then i get a average of 200-300wh/km (in winter this is) @Bjorn: I'm gonne check if the car is going to sleep thnx for the advice!

[@petrdreiseitl3763]

@@welek6465 would be nice with a "short trip" mode, which woul skip heating up the battery, it is just waste of energy to use on battery heating when I anyway park the car in 20minutes and leave it cool down again.

[@viktorstorelv]

Need range in -5 / -10 weather.

[@traveldavid6085]

Thanks for the Great video! I'm really happy for you. You drive cool cars and make a good living!

[@boostav]

You need to test with the stock wheels w/aero covers.

[@skyfox77]

Is this range test relevant on such a short run? If it is scavanging the heat in the beginning the consumption is lower. After that it will need to start using the heat pump more and consumption will go up?

[@dimosthenisantoniou4893]

They never do the test with cold battery. That would be interesting

[@skyfox77]

@@dimosthenisantoniou4893 he said he would in the video

[@bjornnyland]

It is in fact relevant. Yesterday I started from Oslo with 100 % and warm battery and drove to Geilo. At arrival I had 20 % left and the battery was still at 11 degrees.

[@dimosthenisantoniou4893]

@@skyfox77 I hope so. I have been waiting for this since ictavalve was introduced. It seems everyone is doing the same test, first warm up the battery then go on a drive. By warming the battery you are converting electricity to heat by les than COP=1because of losses towards the environment. So yes, by scavenging the heat the car appears to have low consumption but at what cost? How many kwh did this really cost? Maybe a alternative other metric would be total kwh when charging divided by km

[@iamalittlepepper]

Hi Bjorn, How does the Frigus compares with the usual Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3? Is it quieter and do you know if the folks will be exporting them (I understand they are Norwegian Tesla enthusiasts)? Would it be possible for you to interview them? I am curious to know their journey to develop the product. I find the Nokian has good winter performance but have some rather annoying mid range audio rumble.

[@bjornnyland]

I will test.

[@schawo2]

'21 SR+ MIC (LFP) has a higher consumption than the '21 SR+ USA

[@rudiwalter3286]

is this 55kwh or 60kwh?

[@dexmex5969]

Waiting for the chargingtest in cold weather, guess it will charge slooooow :/

You should put LFP in the title

[@Pupuzor]

How about Arctic circle run in proper winter conditions?

[@bjornnyland]

Not yet.

[@catober1]

Hvilken FW har du på bilen?

[@christianlichtnecker6856]

Is this MIC with 55 kW battery or brandnew 60 kW battery ?

[@deas1972]

it is what he said. From China and standard range +. 55 kWh. 60 kWh just named Model 3 RWD

[@lennyschmalisch7439]

Nominal full pack also says 55kwh

[@christianlichtnecker6856]

Yes, I have seen the nominal Full pack 54,8 kWh now.

[@bjornnyland]

*kWh

[@flamewave0]

Tire pressure has quite big impact as well have you confirmed of it was the same for both tests? Elon recommends 3.1barg for best efficiency

[@bjornnyland]

Not at all. I have measured only 5 Wh/km on different tire pressures.

[@petermarkert9600]

Jeez. My China LFP M3 does no where near the ranges you get. It also does not have the heat pump. At the moment here in the Netherlands it is about 5-9 degrees Celsius and I am lucky to get 200km of range out of the battery. Also I noticed that the car now has a significant lower wltp range stated. That is about 97% of what it was during the summer. And then I also noticed something strange with the New Tesla app. It is set to charge to 100%. But when I move the slider it will not go back to the range at 100%. What I mean is that when it states that it will charge to 100% the range is 397km. Now when charging I then move the slider in the app down and back to 100% the range changes to a different number. Sometimes lower, sometimes higher. Could it be I have found a bug in the app? Anybody else that has this problem? Love the videos by the way.

[@gsusmorales]

Is it 2022 model year?

[@jrherita]

Interesting wheels on that Model 3 .. those look like some kind of Aero wheels ?

[@bollebob1991]

just normal wheels. The car would probably have less consumption with stock wheels and aero caps. Maybe close to 6%.

[@philorgneopolotin8762]

Hey just remember to keep in mind this was without the aero covered wheels. I’ve seen that aero covers help as much as 10% range at highway speeds or sometimes as low as 3-5%, but even then they still make a pretty significant different when doing long range tests. I just wonder if the range loss would’ve been the same here had the OEM wheels and aero covers been kept on.

[@Marbellous]

So is it now Tesla Model 3 S+ ? :)

[@DJRaffa1000]

Sad that you didnt do a full 90 run (or 120) The leftover heat in the pack basically negated a good chunk of the heating requirement (dropped the pack by 7°c in just those 60km) I think average consumption would go up noticeably if tested for the full run. Then again the car will still do just fine and you have a family to return to so its more than understandable that you dont want to spend 8h+ driving for just those 2 datapoint-improvements ^^

[@bjornnyland]

Not really. I tested driving to Geilo yesterday. It took 3 hours discharging from 100 % to 20 %. And at arrival, the temperature in the pack was still at 11 degrees.

[@DJRaffa1000]

@@bjornnyland Ohh Interesting. Then the temperature drop in the pack is way more non-linear then i anticipated. Thanks for letting me know ^^

[@mikegipson1224]

Yeah does this mean that Tesla also can coldgate? Gues I need to watch your next video ref. cold battery test :)

[@bjornnyland]

Not really. As long as you do things correctly Tesla won't coldgate.

[@lhlfrb]

What's the next thing ? Well, Marcus Julebil, of course...

[@MikeGTraining]

So this is the current model not the updated with 65 KW/h is it?

[@bjornnyland]

*kWh

[@larsrosing5033]

SO many variables about EVs and range! You would never consider that on a combustion engine! Anyway it is a cool car!

[@ezpoppy55]

Agree; I wouldn’t ever bother knowing about my fossil fuel consumption, other than an occasional quick and simple mental math check when I filled up. The cars I drove didn’t have the consumption data available like my 2021 M3 SR+ does. I think that’s one reason most ICE drivers don’t “consider” their fuel consumption (though I know a minority were just as obsessive). Another reason was the over abundance of fueling stations. What’s to worry about if you’re using more fuel when it’s cold? Just stop and fill ‘er up!

[@jlfarinha]

Maybe not, Lars - but only because we don’t pay attention. My Mercedes B180 with a full gas tank only runs for less than 380Km in Winter (exclusively in the city), and goes up to 450Km in Spring / Summer. We have the same behavior on ICEs, we just don’t pay attention ☺️

[@Frosticus453]

you consider it if you loathe pumping gas and/or you consciously watch how much money you give to gas companies each month that you'd rather spend on other things.

[@Nobody_Famous]

When something is so efficient you notice the little differences. When it’s inefficient always like ICE you barely notice 👀

[@Robis-]

it's far away from winter. The cosumption now and when outside is -20 will be much more different.

[@bjornnyland]

-20°C is rather rare in Europe. Around 0°C is more common.

[@Spanem91]

Visjon Sverige?

[@linnsoltwedel]

What kind of car are you wanting to buy of the new once?

[@bjornnyland]

Model 3

[@ChargeGo]

Best bang for buck car you can get in the market!

[@manuelhacksteiner7560]

-20 in Austria very possible

[@dalleenpente]

1ºC cold? In Canada we call that a heat wave! 🥵 kidding! I experienced -25ºC in Oslo few year’s ago.

[@bjornnyland]

Hold my beer... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHmki4ScnrF_o5I

[@dalleenpente]

@@bjornnyland Hold my (polar) bear! Used to fly in many part of your country. The topography (fjord) always makes me feel home. Miss it. Keep up your good spirit.

[@Jensen1307]

I think the slow charging speed at low ambient temperatures is the biggest disadvantage of LFP batteries

[@BlueSplashNo1]

If you know how to deal with it, it's no problem at all. Every time you navigate to a supercharger and the trip last longer than 30 minutes, the car has enough time to pre-heat the battery. I'm still happy with my SR+. But to be fair, I have not experience strong winter conditions so far. Only around 0° C.

[@SHLDMusic]

That's just because the battery was not preheated, and because of the battery heat scavenging to heat the interior. Tesla should add a forced preheating when going to a non-tesla fast charger.

[@sonjahentrich8109]

We live in Switzerland, 1 Degree in Winter is nearly summer😂😂😂😂 mfg Dirk

[@matthiasmuller5173]

The little thumbnail asks: "How bad is it? The answer, after seeing this video...very bad in winter.

[@bjornnyland]

I disagree. This range is not bad at all once you start comparing with other EVs in winter.

[@matthiasmuller5173]

@@bjornnyland :) only until you stand at the charger with a cold batterie. This type of batterie has its disadvantages, good to see and I hope the prospective buyers will know them.

[@NikkiKuehnemund]

Winter...? C'mon, let's wait until It drops to below -10 at least..

[@bjornnyland]

Have you not been around Europe during winter before? I bet you haven't.

[@NikkiKuehnemund]

@@bjornnyland Bjørn, both you and I know that winter temperatures here in Norway does not equal to 0 degrees.. Be real.. Why don't you do the same test in -20, and see the results then..? I'm not out to make Tesla look bad, I just want a real winter test, like in the description.. That's all.. By the way, I like your channel, keep it up👍🏻

[@weorldedit]

Does he always start these tests with a warm battery?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes he does.

[@dimosthenisantoniou4893]

Unfortunately yes always. Have been requesting since first octavalve to start with cold but never does

[@lezzeti]

Here's a question for ya; why choose an unknown brand (frigus) on an electric vehicle in the Tesla Model 3 price range? I would rather go with the Nokian Hakkapelitta R3 (which, at least in Sweden is cheaper) or the Nokian EV 10 which is roughly within the same price range.

[@Jakob_DK]

I belive Frigus is the one developed for teslas in Norway by tesla fans.

[@Danne89]

Frigus is not unknown in Norway though. Very popular for Tesla. :)

[@lezzeti]

@@Danne89 Ok! I've never heard of it here in neighbouring Sweden..

[@yarpen9016]

I guess the tires and the rims are used to lower the consumption for the range test only. Nokian tires perform better from a safety perspective but for this purpose Tesla björn just want the Teslas to look better than other cars in his sheeeet. To be able to compare with other cars

[@bjornnyland]

R3 are known in the Norwegian community to be too soft on dry tarmac. And on wet tarmac at higher speeds, they are not so stable. The guys who developed Frigus knew this. Frigus is way more stable at higher speeds on wet roads. And on dry tarmac it sticks like glue. And even on snow and ice, Frigus does it quite well.

[@Kandersen01]

Bjørn, did you take wind into consideration? You should be doing these test under the same windy conditions, if possible. My experience are, wind is very important for tests like these.

[@tobiasjungbark5504]

Shouldn't matter too much here as he does a return trip.

[@Kandersen01]

@@tobiasjungbark5504 It matters if the trip made in summer was a low wind, and trip made in winter was high wind or the other way around.

[@tobiasjungbark5504]

No, as he measures the range based on the energy consumption from one point and back to the same starting point. The energy he loses in increased wind resistance one direction he gain in less wind resistance in the other direction. Under the assumption that the wind conditions doesn't change much during the test which is a fair assumption due to the duration of the test.

[@bjornnyland]

Not possible to take in account *every* weather condition. I try to run the range tests on days with less wind if possible. But remember that wind is also a realistic parameter. Don't forget that Denmark exists.

[@Kandersen01]

@@tobiasjungbark5504 When he compares summer and winter, it only makes sense, if the wind is as close to equal as possible. The winter trip or summer trip only, I agree with you, the wind doesnt makes much difference.

[@billjohnson3022]

"How bad is it?" Wow! Not how good is it?

[@simonmint3602]

I fjor hadde vi i Berlin -18 grader ved januar og mitt citigo tok mer en 50% soc etter to uker. Når jeg var i Norge på ski. ;) Vennligst gjenta testen når vinteren kommer med -18 grader.

[@frikadellenkind]

if only Tesla would have had breake blending in their cars, what a shame.

[@linnsoltwedel]

How is wifey doing?! :D

[@bjornnyland]

She's hungry every 2 hours.

[@stephensharp975]

@@bjornnyland bit like my 30kwh Nissan leaf....😉😉😉.

[@dr.gordonshumway7116]

YEO WASSUPP

[@zezizarjaars]

TBH I think that Tesla should make Lithium Ion batteries charge to 120% at max and their current 80% or so should become the new normal 100%. This because the average soccermum doesn't understand why a "worser" battery can charge to 100% all the time without damaging it, while the more expensive battery with more range and such should only be charged to 80% all the time (or maybe 90%), but preferebly never, or allmost never to 100%. Also, people with 2 Tesla's, one with the one type of battery and the other with the other type of battery, might confuse people every once in a while which could to bad situations. Also, people that don't know anything about batteries at all might realise earlier that it's not normal to charge above 100%, which is normally a warning that they are doing something they shouldn't do.

[@karioken]

I disagree about auto-steer. Tesla has the most annoying system of them all. You steer a bit by yourself and the thing disengages and you need to activate it again, and again, and again. Other manufacturers keep the auto-steer activated for the whole cruise even when you steer/overtake by yourself. Also the Autopilot has a lot of phantom breaking, especially when a truck is next to it. The activation of the system on a Tesla is easy but it is not cooperating with the driver. In my experience the best auto-steer has Audi, Porsche, Ford (Mustang Mach-e), Honda-e and surprisingly the FIAT 500e.

[@David_Polak]

Can you share your experience with the Polestar 2 ? I'm interested in that car.

[@karioken]

@@David_Polak I forgot to mention the Polestar 2. Because of the Google software and the Volvo system it also has one of the best driving experiences out there. Auto-steer works great. The Polestar 2 is a total underdog in the market. I recommend testdriving the car.

[@fivizzano]

STILL I think in the bloody FREEZING weather you got on the ROOF OF THE WORLD a GOOD OLD PETROL HYBRID is the MOST PRACTICAL CAR... at least until we get a NANO FUSION REACTOR under the bonnet.

[@leftcoaster67]

Depends. If you don't have a home with a charger, or easy access to a charger, Hybrids are good alternatives. The recent videos of Dundee Scotland's electric hubs, give people who live in apartments options. I do 250 km a week (on the week that I work at head office). Depends on how much driving you do. Past 5 years I try to combine trips just to save gas. 30% reduction in range means you get around 300 km. So unless you are doing nothing but long haul driving, I think your points are over-dramatic.

[@villho]

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?