Tesla Model 3 vs. Toyota Prius: Does Hybrid Still Make Sense, Or Should You FINALLY Go Full EV?

[@bitbat9]

Hybrids are still great for those of us living in apartments/condos. I owned a Model 3 for about 3 years while living in a condo, and I got sick of having to rely on supercharging or public charging. I traded it for a 2023 Prius about a month ago and I absolutely love it

[@khaavi]

I think this is a legit issue at this point. But in the end, how did it differ from going to a gas station? Does your town not have many chargers yet? I could definitely see it if you had to rely on 3rd party chargers. Really hope this changes soon.

[@andriascott5883]

How long did it take for your Prius to come in?

[@rjc-ii]

⁠@@khaaviThe main issue would still be the amount of time charging takes. EVs still have shorter range than most equivalent gas cars and every time you use a public charger you can’t use it for at least half an hour

[@bitbat9]

@@khaavi it was a huge pain in the ass using public charging when I had my Model 3. Using superchargers to recharge degrades the battery faster too. Even Tesla will say you’re supposed to rely on home charging and use superchargers on road trips

[@toastfloats8063]

​@khaavi putting 10 gallons in a tank takes about 5 minutes then you go 600 miles. At a supercharger it takes 30min to charge from empty to full, it goes 300 miles give or take.

[@raggs2007]

I and my family have had 8 Toyotas(for 4 people) over the past 10 years. Love the cars and the truck. I really wanted a Rav4 Prime when the old $7500 Fed credit was still in effect where you claim it on your taxes. Every dealer I went to that had one marked up their Prime to wipe out the tax credit. None would deal and there were so few produced. That experience really soured me with dealerships. I am seriously considering Tesla and it's one price ordering so I do not have to deal with the dealer.

[@mt2nv1]

You’ll be way happier with the Model Y than the Rav4. EV is a game changer.

[@markdonoghue2747]

@@mt2nv1 I 100% agree. I've had my Model 3 for 3 years and could not be happier.

[@DylanTheDriver]

@raggs2007 I bought a RAV4 Prime back in June of 2020, and it is such an AMAZING car!!! It was really meant to be, because even though I had done the research I wasn’t actively looking to buy one because of how hard to find they are. I went to the dealership with my fiancé for him to buy a car and for shits and giggles I asked the salesman if they had any Primes, and he pointed to now my car. I was really shocked that they had the car to start with, and after test driving it I was completely sold on the efficiency, Toyota’s exceptional build quality, and the look of the car. Now, I’ve owned the car for almost 3 years and I couldn’t be happier! I always get at least 50 miles of EV range, which is more than enough for me to commute 30 miles and still have enough charge to run errands. It’s also not necessary to charge on 240 volts, so there’s an extra $1,000+ savings compared to the Tesla. I plug the Prime in at work as well and it’s usually done charging in a few hours. The best part is that if I’m going out of town or driving more than 50 miles I have the hybrid power train to get me there without ever having to stop and wait on it to charge! It’s also extremely efficient in hybrid mode so it’s still incredibly fun to drive with the electric torque, but it uses Toyota’s very impressive battery management technology to power everything. Another huge benefit is that if I’m on the interstate and I want to charge the EV battery I can put the car in charge mode, and it will recharge the battery to 80% in less than an hour, so when I get to where I’m going I can go back to EV mode in city traffic. I got extremely lucky because dealerships hadn’t started to mark up as much as they did through the heart of the pandemic, but I believe it was a sign from God for me to buy this car considering the circumstances. I have absolutely nothing against Tesla, but right now I believe I plug in hybrid is a much better option than a full EV.

[@mostmost1]

@@DylanTheDriver better option for you. It's all about the person's circumstances who's buying it. I own a prius prime and love it! However they offering me $19,000 for it after 3 years of owning it. I paid $19K for it! The only issue is I can't use the heat like I need to to keep ev range and I hate oil changes! Plus a full electric would eliminate gas completely. I can charge at work also saving cost.

[@Geckogold]

I bought a Model Y Performance back in June 2020, and over 71k miles later, am still very happy with it. Tesla no longer qualified for the tax credit back then, so you can pick one up even cheaper than when I bought mine. It took me literally 30 minutes from the time I placed my order and submitted information to Tesla, until I picked it up about a month later. I then spent another 40 minutes or so going over the car as it supercharged at the Tesla store. The price I saw when I placed my order was the price I saw on the invoice. I couldn't legally pick it up in Wisconsin, so had to have my brother drive me to Illinois to pick it up (but I have to pay WI tax and registration fees, go figure). But this gave me the perfect opportunity to get a feel for how it drives on the hour drive back home. Only significant issue was one of the Autopilot cameras wasn't aligned properly, so I couldn't use Autopilot for the first two weeks or so until I could get a service appointment. But it allowed me to get used to 1-pedal driving, where letting off on the accelerator slows the car down, and will hold it at a stop too. I have since driven it on multiple long range road trips ranging anywhere from 500 to 6300 miles. And with the supercharger network, long distance trips are a relative breeze. Aside from the stuff I mentioned, other reasons to go Tesla are the high crash safety ratings, the over the air updates adding new software features and bug fixes, Dog/Camp mode (keeps the a/c or heat on when in park, and with Dog mode, puts a message on the screen for passerby to read that the climate control is on), and the performance for the price.

[@JuanMartinez-fj5zv]

As someone who doesn’t want to go full electric anytime soon or has the ability to, I think the Prius prime is a great option, you can charge at stores for free very often and you always have the peace of kind of your gas engine

[@Yihooni]

It’s the perfect balance bridging an ICE and EV.

[@mrxman581]

And the new version is finally fun to drive too and even more efficient than previous versions. And then there is the Toyota build quality which is far superior.

[@prolibra72]

Pruis all day! I'm a gig worker/ retired traveler in Texas! I've rented both the model 3 and currently in Pruis(not limited) and can't say enough about the convenience of not having to charge twice a day for 1 to 3 hrs a day! Yes, the tesla is sexy and fast, but at the end of the day you just can't come close to the range that pruis has over any other vehicle period. 😀 😊

[@Woodcote]

I was considering a Prius Prime, but decided against it due to limited numbers and dealer markups. Went with a Model Y and super happy with it…why drag around all those extra components that just add complexity and maintenance. So far I’ve just been charging with a 110 plug and surprisingly it works well!

[@ronkemperful]

Good comment. If I go Tesla, a 110 outlet would be more than sufficient for me as I haven’t driven over a 100 miles a week in 6 years. I would be concerned about having an ICE car for the long run, for competent automotive mechanics needed to service the ever increasingly complex reciprocating parts and fuel systems , are disappearing.

[@MLHunt]

I had to charge on 120V for a couple weeks while I was waiting for the electrician. It was perfectly fine if very slow, only something like 5 mph charging rate if that.

[@Woodcote]

@@ronkemperful I usually drive 50 to 60 miles a day and that easily recharges to full overnight on a 110 plug. For weekend trips and such it has been very easy to top off at Tesla’s superchargers (usually about 10 bucks and 25 minutes to go from 20% to 90% charge).

[@KalleSWBeck]

110 charging is underrated

[@mrxman581]

It depends on the dealership. I have a deposit down on a Prius Prime and they don't charge over sticker on any of their new cars. Toyota also has much better quality control and service than Tesla by far.

[@brendykes1202]

I disagree with the road trip comment. I’ve done over 25,000 road trip miles in 1.5 years. Mostly 4-5k mile trips. I think what’s much more important is what routes will one take. If interstates, EV is fine. Lesser two lane highways can be a problem. It is easier to cross the country than to go north-south in Idaho.

[@matthewmortensen7401]

I agree, the Tesla road trip experience and the supercharger network is a far superior way to travel and fits the human 2-3 hours followed by 15 minutes of rest duty cycle perfectly. I have road tripped extensively in traditional gas, hybrid, PHEV and all electric.

[@ab-tf5fl]

That actually kind of depends. Interstates do tend have more chargers, but they also have a lot more EVs, which can often mean a greater chance at having to wait in line, in spite of the increased charger capacity. This is especially an issue if you are driving a CCS car and do not have access to Tesla superchargers. Back roads also tend to involve slower driving speeds, which means the same car has a higher range, and needs fewer kWh at each charging session to get the range it needs. (You can theoretically get back road efficiency on the interstate by driving slow, but only by being very annoying to other drivers and possibly getting rear-ended).

[@brendykes1202]

@@ab-tf5fl I’ve done about 7k miles off the Tesla SC network and never had to wait…but the last time I was using the Green River EA station with my model Y a line formed while we were walking the dogs. The two R1Ts were still there trying to get enough juice and a bunch of other cars showed up. I felt pretty bad and left immediately as I was just trying to save money by avoiding the Tesla station across town. Of course the 4th EA charger wasn’t working…

[@ab-tf5fl]

​@@brendykes1202 That experience precisely is why it is often better in a CCS car to just take the back roads, provided that any CCS chargers on them exist. Fewer drivers taking that route means less chance of lines. Also, in many cases, the chargers on back roads are slower chargers than what's available on the interstate. But, as a Bolt driver, I actually see that as an asset because it deters people in other cars from taking that route and using that charger unless they absolutely have to, thereby further reducing the chance of lines. But a 50 kW charger limitation makes no difference to me because the car can't do more than 50 kW anyway.

[@leetjohnson]

I have 133k miles on my 2019 Model 3 and most with supercharging. All in California, never and issue or wait for a charging spot. Tesla did replace my battery 10k miles ago though, under warranty.

[@mostmost1]

My 2017 Prius Prime has been a great vehicle. Saved me tons on gas conpared to my minivan days. Planning a move to the south and upgrading to a model 3.

[@billybobbob3003]

TIME TO GO FULL GASOLINE!! 👍

[@mostmost1]

@@billybobbob3003 hell no! Keep gasoline and oil changes.

[@billybobbob3003]

@@mostmost1 thats cheaper than replacing 30,000 battery every 10 years lol.

[@mostmost1]

@@billybobbob3003 stop making stuff up. You lucky to get an ice car to 10 years without the motor, transmission and all kind of stuff working properly. The gas and oil you save could pay for a replacement battery if you need it.

[@billybobbob3003]

@@mostmost1 electric vehicles are meant to be disposable vehicles next to ice vehicle, it's like your cellphone battery wont hold it's charge after certain amount of time, plenty of gasoline vehicles are 30 years old original engines just had proper maintenance.

[@markcoopers1930]

7:01 I would love to live in a garage, but the missus wants running water and a bedroom for some reason

[@atomicorang]

Thanks for the info. Nice doggy. Just bought the Prius Limited 2024. We like it a lot just bought last night. Wife had a 2010 and a 2017. Loved them all…they just keep getting better every generation.

[@ronkemperful]

Ahh, even though I don’t own a Tesla, I do know a little secret… there is a third trunk under the floor of the Tesla Model 3’s rear trunk and it is about the size of a medium suitcase. When that extra space is computed, I think even the Model 3 has more cubic feet of storage then the hatchback Prius. I had to reveal this hidden storage to my uncle who had driven his Model 3 for some time unaware of this.

[@MrQuay03]

It’s not a secret, everyone knows it

[@ronkemperful]

@@MrQuay03 Thanks for your response. Well, surprisingly the Tesla employees at our local Tesla store didn’t show that extra trunk to my 95 year old uncle when he picked up his car - and the space is completely hidden by the removable floor. I was only commenting, for the comparison video glossed over that space.

[@mrxman581]

The Prius storage space is more functional and flexible so it's more useful

[@double_joseph327]

I’ve had both cars and the Tesla has considering more trunk space.

[@mrxman581]

@@double_joseph327 But that rear seat pass through limits the size of items you can get in there compared to the Prius with the rear seats folded down. I can get my bike in my Prius without talking off the front wheel for example. Very convenient.

[@kitmarshall4084]

if you live in the bay area, the cost to charge the tesla is around the same price as driving the prius with gas... thanks newsom for .32 per kwh.

[@carbondragon]

I just made that decision, and my choice was the 2024 Prius LE NOT a Tesla. Partly it was Elon Musk. But it was also not having to worry about range, not having to put a new circuit into my garage, not having to worry about a $20000 battery out of warranty (and thus long term value proposition for the used car), and being able to deal with Toyota and not Tesla (Both closer and better in terms of customer service in or out of warranty). I admit Tesla makes a good EV but I don't think we're ready for EVs yet in the numbers people seem to want to get to (because the grid won't support EVERYONE having them yet). I'll let you pioneers bull your way through EV ownership and stick with the established gas network (with excellent fuel economy to take advantage of it).

[@dennisl6198]

until the convenience of charging stations approaches gas stations, there will be a strong use case for hybrids and plug-in hybrids. note I didn't say 'the number of' because your home can charge your EV, and many people will do that. But range anxiety has to go away, and the only practical way to do that is to have level 3 charging stations at least every 50 miles all over the country.

[@davidjernigan7576]

Most likely will not happen. Too much NIMBY when it comes to putting in the necessary transmission lines, substations, and base load generation. Solar/wind won't cut it.

[@MLHunt]

Agree. I don't think the public charging networks are yet sufficient for people who don't have access to AC charging at home or work. I certainly would not own EVs if I couldn't charge at home.

[@aaronb7990]

If you can't charge at home, it's just like getting gas, spend 10-15 min at a charge station here and there as needed. As battery tech continues to improve, charge times will get shorter and it will become even less significant. Charge stations will be everywhere. Once backed by a mega pack, the charge stations will be able to deal out massive amounts of power and refill over time on whatever the incoming input limits may be.

[@XMG3]

I own 2 condos in vancouver BC, both has more charging stations than actual EV owners in the parkade so charging is no issue, but I would still get the prius prime. Having a backup engine is just better on long drives without charging stations or stuck in a winter storm with no battery

[@tannerbaer]

So glad we picked the 2022 M3LR used with 9k miles on it for 40k. Was going to get the Prius Prime XSE Premium (43k plus BS dealer fees) but after the test drive we really didn't like the small interior area, it was super slow, the tech felt like my old 2002 Toyota and loud engine just to name a few things.

[@ronaldcampbell17]

Yep!

[@allentoyokawa9068]

You have no clue what you are talking about fanboy; the engine is not loud nor is the tech anywhere looking like it is from 2002

[@tannerbaer]

@@allentoyokawa9068 Tell me you've never driven the new Prius without telling me you've never driven one. Yeah I am a Toyota "fanboy" I have 4 of them...

[@leetjohnson]

@@allentoyokawa9068 🤡

[@brockvanleer1010]

this is for people talking about range anxiety in country areas. i just picked up a new model y performance in middle of march and have already done 8k miles in it. it’s my new work car / daily driver and i plan to possibly have one of the highest mileage Y’s in the country. those 8000 miles consisted of visiting multiple properties all over kentucky, indiana, ohio, and western illinois, doing anywhere between 200-300 miles a day. you do have to think about range a little bit more, but range anxiety isn’t necessarily some thing that I felt after the first couple days of using the car. Before I plan out my next day, I would enter in all the addresses I would need to visit in the Tesla navigation system. the car auto processes the night before how much range i needed to leave my hotel with before heading out the next day, if i needed a supercharger stop it would also advise where and when that would need to take place. i will say, there was maybe 2 of my days that i needed to go fairly far off route in Ohio, probably adding about a hour and a half to my day, to go to a supercharger or else i wouldn’t make it to my destination, but those were also heavy use days where i was pushing the limits of 300 mi, and one where i needed to go about 400. what would’ve solve that issue is if I would have purchased the CCS adapter before picking up the car there was a CCS level three along my route that day, but the tesla one was far off near the highway. but beyond all of that, the car is absolutely brilliant under the extremely hard use case i’m expecting out of the car and can’t say i’ll b back to a regular car. plus almost all hotels i stayed at had a free level 2 charger on site, even in these rural areas. so i’m technically getting a free tank of gas, no need to worry about oil changes & regular maintenance while very far from home, and let me tell you, after a long day of inspections that auto pilot makes the long drives 500x less stressful. then, a road trip, the vehicle, the whole way back to California. It definitely takes way longer in a ev. i was averaging about 2 1/2 hours drive time ar about 80mph, and 25-45 minute recharges depending on if i had a 150kw or 250kw charger i was stopping at. I can usually do about 1000 miles in a day and a gas car, and that’s nowhere near feasible in an EV. but all that being said, i’ll take the longer trip to enjoy the quiet and smooth and stupid fast drivetrain, slammin stereo, and a few nice snacks while the car handles the drive. i’ve never been able to pay as much attention to the sights of the states i’ve driven through till the tesla. When / if the battery goes on it, i plan to just replace the pack vs the car. it seems like a new pack could cost 20k but i’ve seen reports tesla also has reconned packs for roughly 9k. that’s still wildly cheaper than getting something new if a gas car dies out. and relatively speaking, new pack kinda equals new car as far as propulsion goes. I’ve used every car imaginable for work, from a bright green Mazda 2 to a supercharged range rover, and so far the tesla just seems to be everything you could possibly want wrapped up into 1 car. Before you knock them, you should really spend some time with one. i’m not a green peace type of guy, just someone who found that a tesla does the job better and more efficiently than a gas car.

[@martyberry1917]

I never really thought about Tesla too much. Up until the last couple of months I honestly hadn’t ever driven one and had no real desire to drive one. I have a 2018 Prius Prime. I bought it because it was efficient and comfortable. It’s also very good in the snow with decent tires. We live in an apartment complex in the Springs and in August we had those bad hail storms and unfortunately all of the cars in our complex got beat up fairly badly. We put the Prius in the shop in October and the shop gave us a loaner car while they worked on our car. We got it from Hertz and that part wasn’t too bad. I jokingly asked if I could get a Tesla instead of a Malibu and the nice lady obliged and within 5 minutes I was driving off in a 2021 Model 3. It was very nice other than it had a weird smell (it smelled faintly like bananas to me) and it was a little rough with only about 58000 miles. The smell kind of wigged me out so a couple of days later I traded it for another one at a different location that was a 2023 with about a fraction of the mileage (around 13,000 miles or so). It took me all of about 10 seconds to figure out how to put the car in gear but almost a week to figure out how to operate the wipers. lol I am NOT tech savvy so I had a blast trying to figure out how to operate the ins and outs of this quirky car. The loaner we were given was very nice, black interior with a nice red exterior. I was smitten and it still makes me smile at how much fun it was to drive it. I literally made excuses to leave the house just to ride around and enjoy the warm October air and the charging was so easy. People I’d offer teslas to would refuse them simply because they didn’t know where chargers were and it took me just thumbing through the maps to find chargers all over for the Tesla. I found a good one on the north end of town and since I could run the heat and sit in the car and scroll on Facebook it never bothered me to wait and since I’d charge late at night I never felt worried about being bothered. I think the LONGEST I spent at a Tesla charger was all of about an hour or so? And even still it didn’t even feel that long. The downside was that it cost us more to drive the Tesla because we couldn’t charge it at home or at my job even. I think it cost me roughly about $100 or so to charge it over the period of time I had it and I only used the Tesla chargers because I didn’t get an adaptor to charge on a level 3 charger somewhere else. The first car had it, this one didn’t apparently. It snowed while we had the Tesla and the roads were a little sketchy. I’d recommend if you’re going to drive a RWD Tesla get good tires. lol I scared myself hitting some black ice because the car has a tendency to fishtail on slick surfaces. My personal vehicle of course has good all season tires that generally do the trick and since it’s a FWD it is pretty good in snow. The Tesla was well planted otherwise and other than a couple of hiccups with user error it was a smooth transition for me to drive the Tesla for a little while. My gripes were few but I definitely had a couple that made me so happy to have my Prius back and they’re really not even big things. The back window on the drivers side wasn’t aligned properly so it whistled while you’d be going down the road. So most days I had the window rolled down about an inch or so. (It was a literal nightmare trying to trade the first one and I was not about to do THAT again). The build quality with the Tesla has improved quite a lot but the build quality is still hit or miss. The car is very intuitive and responsive but it definitely doesn’t drive as smoothly as my old Toyota does and the seats weren’t nearly as comfortable to me. But other than that I really liked the car a lot. Personally if I was buying a Tesla I’d get the long range Model Y with AWD because it’s a lot roomier and you get a liftback and tons of trunk space. I definitely got a new love for Tesla from driving one and more people should go outside their comfort zone and try it at least once. We give away teslas all the time for rentals because most people are so worried about charging them they don’t want to rent them. My coworkers son had the same kind of Tesla Model 3 that I had and he actually made the switch to a full EV because of it. They got the Ionic 5- and honestly they had the same complaints that I had after talking to them about why they went with Hyundai instead of Tesla. We all agreed that the Tesla is a fantastic EV to live with and hopefully more stuff like it comes in the future. And the coolest thing about living with a Tesla was diving into the world of electric cars and the different types that are out there. For me- I drive 22 miles per day. It cost me about 20 dollars every week or so (using public infrastructure ONLY) to drive the Tesla. Cold weather did impact the range but once the battery was down to about 70% it kind of leveled off at draining quickly. But I digress, I got my beautiful spaceship of a Toyota back. And I’m so happy to drive my own car again. It might not have the features that the Tesla does and it takes two hours to charge on a Level 2 charger- but it is solid, comfortable, the door has a nice thud when I shut it and it does exactly what I want it to do. So for me, someone that is not technologically inclined- I think I’ll stick with my old Prius Prime for a couple more years while I save for a new Prius Prime. ❤️ I definitely would rent another Tesla though. Maybe if they can get the Model Y cheap enough I’ll buy one. lol But I’m taking the seats out and putting the Toyota seats in it though. 💀😂😂

[@wiseguy3492]

We have a 20k difference between cars. He shouldnt try to misinform and say they are similar costs with tax credits, which many wont even get. He should just leave it as if really is. A big cost difference.

[@kman0074]

37k loaded Prius vs 40k base teslas. That’s a $3k difference. You gotta go premium Prius to compare to a Tesla.

[@Brian-ny4pw]

The Prius is a less expensive car. Thats a deal breaker for tesla.

[@Brian-ny4pw]

@T R once you get used to it is actually quite nice. In icy situations I would go with the least regen

[@onlysublime]

I plan to buy the Prius Prime if it's available. With it, I can go to work and back and some shopping without ever using gas. You do have to finish a tank within 6 months to prevent the gas from going stale (learn a new thing every day). But day to day, no gas for me. And when I do need to drive from southern California to northern Cali, I can go 500 miles and have gas places all around me.

[@kng128]

I drove a plugin hybrid (Ford) for 6 years. After the engine's been out of use for a few weeks going electric only it will start the engine for "oil conditioning" (evaporating water condensation).

[@onlysublime]

@@kng128 different companies have different methods . On the prius prime if you don't use the gas, nearing the 6 month mark it will force usage of the gas to purge out the old gas.

[@ULSB1969]

You love the convenience of never using a gas station? And what is so convenient about waiting a long time to plug in and charge an electric car? Even longer if you have to wait in line.

[@ericcarlson3461]

Everyone’s needs are different. I road trip over 1000 miles one way at least twice a month. Give me a Prius with awd over an EV any day. No worries about charging on long trips or during heat waves.

[@elir.torres8642]

And this is what what people fail to realize you have an onboard generator that powers the engine while charging the same tech in diesel locomotives. I can go from Detroit past Grand Rapids to Chicago ending in St. Louis 770 miles on average one one tank of gas on the Prius. And I don't even own any electric vehicle. Until Tesla gets faster charging, more stations, and at least a 609 mile range battery then I get one. Until the the Prius is the car for me.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

What a beautiful Dog. We used to have a 175lb Newfoundland, still miss him. We also have a 2024 Prime, love it too.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We would not purchase a Tesla for the simple fact that when it eventually needs repair we'd have two choices, Drive (if the car was mobile), ten hours across our island, take a seven hour ferry ride and, then drive another five hours to reach an authorized service centre. Suppose one could truck the car but, that would be very expensive. Choice number two, pay to fly in a technician and then rent space in a garage for him/her to do the work. Our Toyota dealer is fifteen minutes away.

[@MoonAtomic7]

I’m in exactly this boat. I’ve always loved Prius but with incentives with Tesla to make it the same price as Prius now, I have a lot to consider. I live in Colorado too and there’s pros and cons to both vehicles.

[@kens97sto171]

People seem to over exaggerate the cost of fuel.. I drove 1400 miles last week, and spent about $125 in fuel. @ $3.30 per gallon In a Prius getting 50 MPG that would be $92 Your average person driving 50 miles per day to work would spend $23 per week. In that same Prius would be $17 for fuel. On a road trip the gas car is about the same price as supercharging, and you spend less time, and have longer range. My 1400 mile week would cost me about $35 in electricity in an EV. The big time savings for me is the maintenance .. doing an oil change every 5 weeks is a pain in the butt. My next car will be an EV for sure.. But for the average person?? doing a oil change 3 times per year? and having to stop for gas once per week for 3 min? Is that really a big deal.. to justify $28K for a prius vs $40K for a Tesla? Tax credits are for rich people.. they should never be factored in your math calculation. To bad the Prius has a useless back seat now... I would have considered one. I got 423,000 miles out of my last one.

[@kens97sto171]

@@leetjohnson Yep... You get what you vote for. It's not $5.50 a gallon anywhere else. It's gone UP where I live and it's now $3.45/gal. Was $2.99 last week.

[@PackFan-tv5pj]

Well explained rationale. I actually today canceled my 2023 Prius order that was scheduled to deliver late June, and went with the 2023 Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery. Can charge to 100% daily, longer life, no harmful metals. Since I already had 240v in my garage due to previous Prius Prime, makes sense to plug-in as needed. No stops at a gas station except donuts and coffee.

[@marcprobin1659]

the LFP battery I believe you don't get the tax credit cause its made in China. I would check on that.

[@kahless0173]

Cobalt isn't a harmful metal either. Lithium is the biggest problem. We have to get away from it.

[@PackFan-tv5pj]

@@marcprobin1659 Checked already - it gets 1/2 of the $7,500 or $3,750 due to it being assembled in the US (California).

[@mrxman581]

There are better EVs than Teslas now. The Tesla design looks dated now too. Every Tesla looks like it's 5 years old even when new.

[@PackFan-tv5pj]

@@mrxman581 To each his own - can't argue with Tesla's vast supercharger network - other companies can't match it in terms of coverage and reliability. Looks are subjective - I like the classic design. And now a reduced price with $7,500 Federal Tax Credit to those who qualify, self included - it's a deal that's incredible.

[@stevenivankin9613]

You guys should talk about the order process for a Toyota because the base price is almost impossible to get because Toyota doesn't allow you to custom order like let's say German cars.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

German cars are junk

[@Yihooni]

@@allentoyokawa9068 New Toyotas too😂 Have you driven the 3rd gen Tacomas? Corolla? Highlander? All tin can junk😊

[@user-zv1eo7lo6i]

You guys should do another cost comparison between the Prius and the Tesla like you did a few years ago. Comparing cost of super charging vs fueling up etc.

[@bangbangbowman284]

People should be doing the bulk of their charging at home so that's a bad comparison. IMO you shouldn't get an EV until you can charge at home. I charge at home (level 1) with my model 3, that easily meet my needs currently...Eventually I'll get level 2. It costs me a lil over $5 to do a full fill up of my model 3's battery

[@onlysublime]

@@bangbangbowman284 but a ton of people don't have homes to charge at.

[@bangbangbowman284]

@@onlysublime I dont have a house/garage either, I use just the 110 outlet outside my apt. Again as I stated, you should not get an EV until you can charge where you live. You're just clogging up DCFC infrastructure at this point.

[@tylerconlon1990]

If you charge a tesla using 240v it will cost you .0989c/kWh but if you use a 120v you can get cost down to .0989c/kWh so they get avg 250 miles on a charge with a 75kwh battery If you charge at night from 9pm-10am (off peak) it would cost $7.417 to go 250mi = .02967c per mile Prius gets 55mpg at 3.25/g So 5 gal gets you 275mi 5*3.25=16.25 to go 275mi = .059c/mile Then Prius Prime is another story but I’d go Prime first Then Model 3 Then Prius reg

[@onlysublime]

@@tylerconlon1990 it sounds like you're not American as charging from 9 pm to 10am is not realistic unless you work from home. And again, a lot of people don't live in houses

[@MarvinFontanilla]

I am a previous Prius driver that converted to a Model Y. Loved the Prius, but the Tesla is out of this world.

[@jayhiggins5239]

You and many like you are the reason for the Prius redesign. Old prius was too slow and funny looking.

[@davidmenasco5743]

The number one brand that Tesla buyers used to own? Toyota. Prius to Model 3 is definitely a thing.

[@DNHarris]

In the future, strap a GoPro camera to your dog's back or head, facing forward. I want to see his POV during videos as you talk.

[@MLHunt]

This is a GREAT idea 🤣

[@cascivic]

Awesome idea

[@allentoyokawa9068]

No thanks, leave that mutt at the house. just gets in the way

[@sbs-0055]

I think it would be better if they started a new channel TFL dog POV

[@andrerodriguez7603]

Actually a bike will fit nicely in the Model 3 with front wheel off. The rear trunk opening was redesigned to accommodate bicycle handle bars, that why the deck lid is higher in the back, so out the rear window view is limited because of this. Advantage to higher deck lid is when a big pickup trunk pulls up behind you at night, you don’t see the glaring lights blinding you in the rear view mirror. Big plus in my view. 👍🏻😃

[@chantzsch3916]

Have a MYLR, did a 2200 mile trip and the supercharging cost me $.095/mi. Looking at the Prius Prime and using the EPA ratings, cost would have been roughly $.07/mi. When I charge at home, my cost is $.03 per mile. The Prius cost wouldn't change. Also, after 12,000 mi, I don't have to do an oil change so I'm saving time & some money there. Traded our Camry hybrid for our first MYLR (we have 2 now) and don't miss the maintenance or trips to the dealer for recalls. As far as trips go, the basic autopilot experience has been better than any other OEM adaptive cruise system. All in all, glad to have made the switch.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

umm Toyota does not get recalls, and Toyota is far better than Tesla

[@chantzsch3916]

@@allentoyokawa9068 not true, my 2008 Avalon had 3, 2017 Camry had a couple.

[@mt2nv1]

@@allentoyokawa9068 haha! That’s not true. Toyota has plenty of recalls and their tech sucks.

[@ElMacho0423]

@@mt2nv1 By recalls they mean over the air updates 😂

[@mt2nv1]

@@ElMacho0423 exactly. 😊

[@GeorgeGeo]

Love my 2018 Prius.. 54.6 MPG over 77k miles and i commute at 80+ MPH

[@AddyAdderson]

Home on the range if you have enough battery juice to get home. I'll take the Prius Prime.

[@therealinda]

I bought a blue 2018 M3 Dual Motor recently. Only 40k miles time of purchase. I have a condo, but live close to work and Teslas Superchargers. So, it worked out for me going EV needing a charge once a week. I can understand if you're driving 50+ miles a day with no home charger, then i would be in a Phev. But i will say, the Model 3 is a hell of a car.

[@zachlafond2652]

This. We just added a Tesla to our garage and i would not own one without at home charging. Also supercharging is pretty much the only game in town to travel long distance.

[@Brasi4522]

What a pain in the ??? To charge 😂

[@Hobart12]

Prius is the obvious winner when it comes to long driving range and peace of mind. Also a perfect commute electric car (Prius Prime) for just over $27k.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Isn't the prime like 40k?

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I just gave up my Prius Prime and I miss it. It was such an amazing cat. I filled the gas tank once a month in winter and only once during the summer.

[@DevValladares]

why did you give it away?

[@TheAdventureAuto]

The Tesla design is old but still looks brand new. I don't think I've seen a vehicle that has aged better. I'm based, but I bought one because of how much I loved the design. For similar money, I have no idea why somebody would still buy a Prius. Having to deal with gas and oil changes, and all the other maintenance that goes along with gas is just...no thanks.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

No one cares

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@allentoyokawa9068Hmmm, I think a lot of people agree with the OP on this one. Tesla Model Y outsold RAV4 and Corolla to be the number 1 best selling vehicle globally in March.

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

The Tesla design is bland. It was bland on day one, and it still looks bland today. There is nothing to love about the design.

[@MLHunt]

Prius is a remarkable improvement and it probably drives fine but having replaced our ICE cars with (non-Tesla) EVs I can imagine few circumstances that would make me ever buy another ICE vehicle.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

sheep

[@MLHunt]

@@allentoyokawa9068 Dismissing someone with whom one disagrees about the appeal of EVs as having been deceived or as just taking a position because it's popular is a sign of intellectual shallowness. One could just as legitimately dismiss people who are fundamentally opposed to EVs as being reactionary dinosaurs holding on to their buggy whips while the world moves on. This sort of reductive oversimplification completely elides the facts that everyone's use case is different, and that aesthetic preferences for which there is no rational accounting come into play in such matters. The willingness to insult people with whom one disagrees is, one could argue, one of the main reasons why our politics and culture have gotten so contentious in recent years. Please do better.

[@RichardJoashTan]

And I am glad that I will buy a fully loaded 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV anyway.

[@MLHunt]

@@RichardJoashTan I'm glad you got something that you like. Mitsu seems to be getting its act together after a number of years making cars that weren't very well regarded for their design and quality. And they're still relatively cheap too. Glad to see one of Japan's long-time industrial giants, makers of the famous Zero fighter, getting some of its reputation back.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@allentoyokawa9068Parrot? (Or bot?)

[@bvon336]

My brother runs 160 miles a day for work. All highway 75mph. Would the base model Tesla be a good choice for him? He had a Prius and is considering a new one or a Tesla.

[@joemcdonough7509]

Base model would be perfect as long as he has a 240v home charger. He'll be able to get 220-240 miles at 75MPH. Charge to 100% every night on LFP batteries with no worry of degrading and he'll have a great low cost commuter car.

[@TCPUDPATM]

@@joemcdonough7509 Couldn’t have said it better. Agree 100%

[@bvon336]

@@joemcdonough7509 thanks. he has ordered. got a long range version.

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@bvon336 Congrats to your brother! I own a Model S but have driven the 3 numerous times. It's an excellent commuter car. He can still charge to 100% by programming the Tesla to wait to charge right before he leaves for work so it won't sit at 100% too long to degrade the battery.

[@larryspiller15]

Why is it impossible for you guys to get anything tesla right? 45k?? The model 3 starts at 40k a 5k difference is huge at that price point.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Interesting comparison. Great time to be alive and have so many great choices. Shocked that Toyota made usability & ergonomic fails with head room & rear seat, especially for ride share services. Poor Blaze. His human servant keeps talking but is not forthcoming with treats or tummy rubs :)

[@khaavi]

No AC in the back? That’s not a swing and a miss, that’s like not even showing up to the game when it’s over 100 so many places now. Yikes.

[@khaavi]

I can appreciate a classic car, love them….but there isn’t a single thing I’ve regretted or missed about moving to a Tesla. It’s just so different and refreshing.

[@manjotsandhu9539]

Whats wrong with trunk rubber lining at 9:33, looks like its already coming off, i cant say the same thing about prius

[@jeretso]

Hatchback is better for Dogs. Dogs also prefer old school buttons. Tesla online haggle-free purchase is so easy a dog could order one. Toyota dealerships are marking up their hybrids and adding dealer options you do not need. In the end the dog is the tie breaker.

[@shawnwhite2572]

Long term the Prius is probably cheaper. When it gets old you can get a new battery for under $2500, and the engines mostly run forever. A Tesla with a bad battery pack is basically totaled.

[@gregpochet4812]

PHEV don't make sense, IMO. Got to maintain both types of engines. If you don't plug in every night, you now have a hybrid with larger batteries. If you do plug in every night, you now are carrying fuel and other ICE components that you don't use. EV all the way.

[@beanapprentice1687]

I never would have thought that a Prius could look better than a Tesla… Yet here we are. Both cars are still great though.

[@georgepelton5645]

I agree with all of Tommy's points about the pluses and minuses of these cars, except for his take on road trips. I just doesn't make sense to buy the Prius if you have off-street parking where you can install a charge point, or at least plug into a household outlet. However, if you can't charge at home or work, then the Prius is best for most people. For road trips, I much prefer using Tesla's supercharger network than having to fill up at gas stations. I stop every 2-3 hours and take a 10-15 min restroom break, or 45-60 min meal break. The car is always sufficiently changed to continue before I am ready to go.

[@Martinm210]

I own a 2010 Prius and 2019 Model 3. I haven't driven the Prius for over a month now. The prius is better when I helped a friend move, you can pack a lot in the hatch. The prius is also better for long winter trip where charging is limited but there is no comparison to the fun and cool factor. The model 3 makes me smile and soo much more enjoyable to drive. I also average about 190wh/mi in the model 3 in town which is about 175 mpge. The prius get 42-50mpg. I also use and enjoy autopilot in the model 3 way more than expected. It does take a little extra time and trip planning but I find most charging stops in my model 3 are only 15-20minutes and it charges faster than I can use the bathroom.:) A prius in my mind only makes sense for the super long 1000 mile type road trips in more remote areas. Hybrid still makes sense in some areas where charging is limited but if you have superchargers every 140 miles or less my choice is clear which one I pick..:)

[@mrxman581]

The Prius Prime or the AWD Prius for 2023 is much more fun to drive now than the previous version of either model. No comparison as well and you still have the benefits of long range driving when you need to filling up in a a few minutes. No planning required for road trips. You can be spontaneous and not worry about where to charge or how long it will take.

[@leaaae4638]

I go to ski a lot every winter. I usually go for 5 days per trip every other week for 5 months in the Winter. I usually just leave my car at the hotel parking lot, and when I leave the whole car is covered in snow. I just can't imagine how tesla battery will do in that condition.

[@Martinm210]

@@leaaae4638 I haven't had any trouble with cold weather starting, that's actually better in my experience than starting a cold engine in winter. For skiing though, I'll take my BMW X3 because of AWD and extra ground clearance. If I had a long range model Y and losing 30% battery range wasn't a concern then I'd probably prefer taking the model Y. One huge thing I like about EVs is being able to preconditiom them in a closed garage door. Nothing beats stepping into my warmed up seat heaters toasting car in the morning and opening the garage door to adventure into the cold. On my gas cars I have to go out ahead and open the door then get the exhaust fumes filling the garage and all. It's so much nicer having an EV in winter for that one reason. You do lose a good chunk of range in winter but that's only a concern on longer trips where charging is limited. If you have plenty of charging cold is not a problem. I only have my BMW X3 for it's AWD and 8" or so of ground clearnace and we do have some spots where charging needs more work. I'll probably buy an AWD EV at some point but charging is lacking in some areas for me so having both gives me the options I want until charging is better. Charging does still have some gaps where I live so both for me for a little while yet.

[@Martinm210]

@@mrxman581 I bet, I just wish they allowed full power without the gas engine. My 2014 Chevy volt did do that and that sort of complete silence and spirited instant torque driving in town is what got me hooked on EVs. unfortunately the Prius is like the Ioniq hybrids where if you mash the throttle the engine will kick on. That's a bit of a deal breaker, I want full electric power in town. I'd probably buy a newer used Volt for that reason over a prius. I do mostly city driving so having a plug in hybrid that has full EV only power is important to me. The newer Prius is good looking and I'm sure a ton better to drive than my 2010 but it's too bad they didn't give it full EV power like the Volt.

[@mrxman581]

@@Martinm210 Actually, the new Prius Prime does allow for full EV mode. You can smash the accelerator and it won't engage the gas engine. It depends what mode you have the new Prius in. The full EV mode will not engage the gas engine until the battery is depleted. That wasn't possible with the old Prime models. BTW, there are several test drive reviews of the new Prime where the test the full EV mode. Some even show the moment when the gas engine finally engages and it's usually after the 40 miles of advertised EV range.

[@apegues]

As a Professional Mechanic of 48 years, I’ve watched cars get more and more complex and, in my humble opinion, not in a good way. Hybrids add even more complexity and all this complexity means more EXPENSIVE repairs and Maintenance. Electric Cars excite me, they’ve done away with sooo much complexity and crap its fantastic!! In a few years when the new Gen. batteries come out minus all the Toxic Rare Earth Minerals and Thermally unstable Lithium I’ll be buying one. Getting the charging times down to 15 to 18 minutes is doable.

[@dh-1399]

I think EVs are going to be so simplistic and inherently reliable that I worry for those in your line of work. Tesla’s new 4680 pack is a giant block of cells welded together and then glued into a metal case. It’s engineered to not fail. Interesting times ahead.

[@mrxman581]

Hyundai Ioniq 5 already charges faster than a Tesla. About 18 minutes to 80%

[@mrxman581]

​@@dh-1399only catch on fire especially in a car crash

[@dh-1399]

@@mrxman581 I agree, crashes tend to set things on fire.

[@mrxman581]

@@dh-1399 Especially on Teslas more than in ICE vehicles due to the chemistry in the battery. The fires burn much hotter and more difficult to put out. In fact fire departments are calling for new fire fighting protocols to deal with these types of fires. It's not something to be made light of

[@MYJ61]

Imho, EV reviewers need to stop with acting like the federal tax credit is something special. First fewer and fewer cars qualify for any much less the maximum. Second there are many of us that don’t qualify for the full $7500 credit and many states offer very little if any assistance.

[@User.Joshua]

It’s super annoying when they mention tax credits in its current form. They’re just the cost chopping down like it’s applied at the time of purchase. However, in 2024 this will become a reality, but then the Cheapest Tesla won’t qualify for the full credit because of a battery chemistry change.

[@kauigirl808]

@@User.Joshua it should qualify. I want one lol

[@zachlafond2652]

Tommy it took me 2 weeks to get a Model 3 from the time i ordered it online in my underpants. How long will it take me to get a Prius Prime and will the dealership try to bend me over and give ti to me hard with add on fees and markups?

[@aggierev]

Living in a rural area, the Prius makes more sense. We have days where the range of an EV doesn't cut it and the charging infrastructure is pretty nonexistent.

[@johncipolletti5611]

The hybrid is still better for most people who have to drive a distance. Distance anxiety does not exist in the Prius! Oh, that 220 plug now cost me $2000.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

That's insane pricing for that charger

[@johncipolletti5611]

@MeltingRubberZ28 I have a background in economics. I have a lot of retail experience (ran stores). I have a son who is an electrical engineer! Even with all that and getting quotes on the job, that was what it cost!

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@johncipolletti5611 yeah I mean I have a sub panel right next to my cars and have a decent electrical background so I'd probably just wire it myself but man that's super expensive

[@Killer65malibuGaming]

No one understands the electricity rates can go sky high especially during the summer . Say goodbye to $100- $500 electrical bill youll be seeing $1k +. Prius is a no brainer.

[@molassis8474]

I disagree with getting a Prius if you road trip often. Tesla's autopilot make driving long distances a much pleasurable experience and less driving fatigue.

[@joemcdonough7509]

Toyota's safety sense is actually quite good now, and I own a Tesla Model S with autopilot. I rented a 2021 Prius for 1 month and it was excellent at basic radar cruise with lane centering. I did have to hold the wheel more frequently though.

[@markspence3750]

Please post graphs/slides comparing all the fighters with the important stats. Driver impressions are why we watch these videos. Headroom, ease of the trunk, rear seats., things to worry about. (For example: my 2006 VW Touareg has the car battery underneath the driver's seat. You cannot believe how difficult it is to remove that car battery, when the battery is dead.)

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Lol I currently own a VW and that doesn't surprise me VW would do something insanely dumb like that haha

[@joeyvinzo4531]

I’m in love with Tesla Model 3. It’s my dream car. Sadly it’s far far far out of my price range. If you know anyone who is willing to buy one for me, I’d gladly accept it! Awesome job my friend

[@blueplanet1048]

Lol why don’t you get a job and buy one? It doesn’t have to be a “dream” it’s not that expensive

[@joeyvinzo4531]

@@blueplanet1048 I currently have two full time jobs, working about 80-90 hours per week, making poverty wages, all whilst having a terminal illness that is slowly killing me. Plus during Covid I had to start living off of credit cards, just to survive. So unfortunately for me, it is just a dream.

[@miltonhayek2494]

Move to Cali. They practically give them away out there. So many tax credits it's crazy.

[@miltonhayek2494]

@@joeyvinzo4531 I'm sorry to hear that. Life certainly isn't fair. Best of luck, and God be with you in this time.

[@sgt4u]

I own a Prius 2013 the down fall of your comparison of the two car was good but you left out the maintenance and usage cost of the two vehicle. Oil change, tuneups, smog checks and brake repairs. We are buying a Tesla Y 2023 or 2024.

[@mariahonorata5672]

Im having a hard time picking which car to use for work, i drive to patients homes for a living in mostly suburban and min-mod rural areas averaging 200-250 miles for just work a week. I want a good car for mileage obviously but as you can tell I live in my car because of work so i want comfort and safety too. which car would you pick based on these needs? help! thanks in advance and thanks for the car comparison reviews. :-)

[@manthony225]

I'd like to see this comparison with a Prius Prime

[@directorjustin]

Unfortunately, I think the higher price of the Prime would make the Model 3's value proposition look that much better.

[@dreamburn1]

That Prius looks hot. I don’t understand how you can compare a full electric vehicle and a hybrid electric vehicle without talking about the implications of still having a gas motor on a hybrid. In the over 10 years I’ve owned a Tesla, I’ve only ever had to buy washer fluid, and Tires. But with a hybrid you still have a gasoline motor and all of the maintenance and issues that come with it. Do you have to smog a hybrid? What about all the moving parts now that you still have to deal with by having a gasoline engine? Ignition timing, valve adjustments, Spark plugs, gaskets, fuel filters, radiator coolant, oil changes, etc. What is the maintenance like on a hybrid? Don’t you think that’s going to factor in to my decision if I am deciding between a full electric vehicle and a hybrid? An EV has almost no maintenance costs. I don’t need you to assess the style, I can do that myself. Duh I can charge an ev overnight. Can you plug the Prius in if you do have an outlet where you park it? Can the Prius go any distance on electric only, like a Chevy Volt? You’ve got to bring in Elon’s politics and twitter into your car review?WTactualF!? I want to find value in your channel, but I am very unimpressed with your lack of valuable, relevant information and unprofessional delivery. 👎🏼

[@stephenj4937]

Modern gas engines don't require ignition timing or valve adjustments, as the valves are self adjusting and the timing is computer controlled. And Teslas haven't exactly proven to be the most reliable vehicles on the road, and require you to disassemble the entire passenger footwell every 2 years to change the cabin air filter. For someone who can't charge at home the Prius is still a great purchase; if you are looking for something that can drive on electric only AND gas, that would be the Prius Prime.

[@leetjohnson]

I agree with everything you said, except calling Elon's politics idiotic. Elon speaks the truth and is saving humanity, show some respect and calm your emotions. Use that logic, I know you can do it!

[@dreamburn1]

@@leetjohnson There-I removed the word idiotic in front of the word politics-but I believe that anyone who would welcome our idiotic 45th president back into politics is an idiot of galactic magnitude.

[@MrGoose-vb9ow]

Loved that you had help from Blaze to review these cars. Never gets old seeing him grow up and become a great car reviewer!

[@casablanca181]

Can I trade both cars for the dog ?

[@drmcallis]

But then we bought our Ioniq 5 BECAUSE we wanted to roadtrip, so not sure about the last comment Tommy made. 20,000 miles in 14ish months with a good many 1000+ mile roadtrips, so it's definitely working with no problems for that purpose. You definitely do not need to support the petroleum industry to make roadtrips. Far from it.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Ioniq 5 is garbage, have fun with rubbish

[@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444]

You bought it because you wanted to roadtrip _IN AN EV_ ? It otherwise doesn't make sense to say that you bought it for a road trip because a Prius or other ICE hybrid is objectively better at road trips than an EV.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444 Reading carefully, I suspect the point of the OP is that they wanted an EV so as to not feed the monster that is the petroleum industry. And they wanted to road trip in it, so the EV they chose is one that charges much faster than most EVs. But keep in mind that a very large number of EV drivers have made the point that, for them, the benefits of road tripping in an EV outweigh the downsides. The benefits include, quieter and smoother ride, and stopping at regular intervals to relax for a few minutes. Owners of some models also report above average ADAS performance. These drivers report that the trip becomes much less stressful as a result. Note also that Tesla Model 3 is the fastest EV for long road trips, as measured by Bjørn Nyland's standardized "1,000 km Challenge" test. (See the table at the end of the driving section of any of his Challenge videos, right after the countdown)

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@allentoyokawa9068 Said nobody except Allen.

[@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444]

@@davidmenasco5743 lol @ "reading carefully". And that careful reading of all 3 sentences led you to _suspecting_ what someone's point is? Did you "read carefully" 12 words into the comment when he says "so not sure about the last comment Tommy made" which is the same comment that everyone makes regarding ICE vs EV and road trips...that ICE/hybrid/PHEV is objectively better for road trips than an EV. It's very easy to understand if you're not trying to do mental gymnastics.

[@adolfo3707]

I prefer design and reliability of the Prius. Tesla's quality problems is a no for me.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

If I ever move into a condo/apartment/townhouse I’d still stay BEV & use community DCFCs. For me, it is the lack of repairs that draws me to BEV. PHEV still need oil changed and their ICE brakes way more then a comparable BEV.

[@webx135]

Very true. Though keep in mind Toyotas and especially the Prius models are among the most reliable vehicles ever. So I'd be less concerned about reliability and more concerned about maintenance.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

@@webx135 I disagree. The most reliable vehicles ever are BEVs. Any ICE made by Toyota will have 2/3 more moving parts then BEVs, making them inherently less reliable. I owned a Mod3LR for two years. zero maintenance & zero repairs. Just drove like a charm anytime I needed it.

[@webx135]

​@@thenetworkarchitectchannel Oh for sure fewer moving parts. But just because one vehicle is electric and another is gas, it doesn't imply which is more reliable. A Toyota Camry is more reliable than a Chevy Bolt or a Nissan Leaf to an absurd level, for instance. So you can't just point and assume reliability based on drivetrain alone. What's being compared in this case is a Prius and a Model 3. So basically one of the most reliable ICE cars from arguably THE most reliable manufacturer, vs an EV that so far seems to be reliable in terms of power train, but doesn't have nearly the data behind it yet. From a company that is much younger. It's like going to Amazon and comparing a product with 4.7 stars and 10,000,000 reviews against a product with 5 stars and 100 reviews. Ultimately, I myself went the Tesla route because their engineering certainly seems to lean on the reliable side. I'm just aware the actual data isn't there yet.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

@@webx135 I respectfully disagree. Both the Bolt (absent the battery issue that only occurred in a small subset) and the Leaf are both MUCH more reliable cars then the Camry or any other ICE vehicle. They do not have a muffler. They do not have a fuel pump. They do not have transmissions. They do not have an oil pan or oil gaskets. They do not have spark plugs. They do not have an engine. They do not have a gas tank. They do not have a radiator. They never need an oil change, transmission flush, or other routine maintenance. I fail to see how you can call a Camry more reliable to an absurd level. I recently purchased a 2023 Cadillac Lyriq. It has no service schedule. It never needs an oil change. It is basically a blender on wheels, like all other BEVs. The reliability of BEVs are light years ahead of any and all ICE / PHEVs due to the lack of moving parts.

[@miltonhayek2494]

@@thenetworkarchitectchannel Three last cars I've owned... 350,000, 250,000, and 200,000. No major repairs. I was at the Tesla dealer two weeks ago. They said the batteries are designed for 300K miles. And they never actually provide the charge to go the estimated distance. Especially in cold weather (25% loss) or highway driving (10% loss). The only moving parts your describing are the engine and cooling system. You still have brakes (a Prius also uses regen braking), struts, a cooling system, wheel bearings... You still have maintenance as well. I'm so tired of that argument. It's nonsense. The only part you don't have is the engine and exhaust (basically). As the Prius does not have a normal transmission, no belts, pulleys, or chains. You have a $15K motor instead. And a $20K battery. And a cooling system for these parts. And when either go, good luck selling that battery on wheels. I can buy three engines for what one battery costs right now. And WAY more tire costs, and insurance costs!

[@andreylosetskiy5217]

prius hybrid make more sense then tesla for the long range time frame, model 3 battery cost away more then prius battery and the time prove that there are prius over 15 years old still on the road with original battery still driving strong, and there is old first gen prius 20 years old with original battery running also strong

[@leetjohnson]

Then why are you worried about Teslas superior battery if Toyota has proven they last? 120k warranty from Tesla on their battery and motors, btw.

[@EdJanuskis]

is it save to drive and work on the screen?

[@User.Joshua]

Having owned an EV (ID4) and rented Teslas, I’d go with the new Prius Prime. EV planning is annoying, especially during the winter months.

[@kauigirl808]

Well I wouldn't rent a Tesla lol done that so I know the feeling. But I'd buy one.

[@ozo1010]

that tesla looks ancient conpared to the prius

[@carl8790]

Thanks for stating the different living situations that people will be in. A lot of reviewers tend to not state that crucial point. If I were living in an apartment, give me the Prius. However, as a house owner that's planning to install solar and a power wall, give me the Tesla all day. I honestly don't care that the Prius has a longer range, Tesla's fast DC charging infrastructure is very reliable, it's one of the most important factors that people will go for a Tesla.

[@BS-zg7dn]

I really like this video, and yes these are being cross-shopped. New Prius is more sporty which was desperately needed. Prius Prime may be the answer, but it is very close to the price of the base Model 3 (which is still quicker and probably more sporty). Dive in with electric or ease in slowly with Prius Prime? Love Blaze!

[@BaluRamsha]

found this while looking for a similar comparison with camry hybrid se. liked your take here. is a tesla/ev going to really be that unbearable while living in an apartment/condo? cant you charge while driving around the city and doing groceries etc and get by?

[@pernell4351]

Nice like both of them. I hear from my cousin that sells Toyota’s in Baton Rouge for over 20 years at Toyota working on a manual transmission to work with the Cars ,SUV and Truck with hybrid power. Also Tesla is looking to do a car with a manual transmission to help people with RVs to tow behind recreation vehicles.

[@Slipher26]

Tesla is not adding any transmission, they are looking to remove components, not add complexity.

[@leaaae4638]

Prius full tank 640 miles cost about $45. Tesla model 3 270miles cost about $25 at supercharger. My shitty apartment doesn't have charging for EV. Also, I make only $40k a year and I pay little tax. So I don't really get much benefit from the tax credit. So does this mean Prius is better for me? The range anxiety will not going to be fun with Tesla. There are MANY times where I get home with my ICE cars with only 1 gallon gas left in the tank on Friday night. I can just leave it in my parking spot for 3 nights and not worry about a damn thing. Imagine a tesla going home with like 10% left. I will constantly worry about the battery life over the weekend at home!

[@alginyes]

Get a Prius non prime 2023-24. I got the XLE. You won't regret it.

[@oecus2786]

This is slightly misleading as the 21-23 refresh of the Model 3 especially 22-23 have slight improvements that are noticable. Like having Ryzen chip, quieter cabin, better suspension, wireless charging, different interior materials to an extent.

[@aztexadventure2518]

Hey stick to the car reviews, just saying the commentary might not be good for your channel.

[@leetjohnson]

I agree, sure turned me off.

[@georgepelton5645]

Great to have Blaze helping Tommy out with this video!😀

[@purple.fantasy]

Thank you for the video. I was just debating between these 2 vehicles

[@fikes73]

Now there is the Crown and new Camry hybrid. Hopefully Toyota can start to make more plug in hybrids so there won’t be anymore markups. Plug in is the way to go

[@ab-tf5fl]

I think a better comparison would have been Prius vs. Bolt, not Tesla so that you can compare base model to base model at similar price points. But, really, I think the answer of which one is ultimately better for you comes down to a simple, 5-word question: Can you charge at home?

[@tonyzhang4924]

Thank you Tommy someone finally said it, I am a Tesla owner and like my car a lot, but I am just so tired of being associated with Elon and all the hate towards him. It's just too much to keep up with, I just want a car. That's why I am looking to get rid of it asap😅

[@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444]

Don't read smear articles if they're too much to keep up with. Those smear articles magically started one day for a specific reason.

[@molassis8474]

Musk single handedly dragged all the legacy auto to electrify. Most media will write negative articles about Musk. Reasons are: 1 Tesla does not spend a penny in advertisement 2. Big oil has much to lose if everyone buys an EV and 3. Dealerships cannot rip off customers with Tesla's buy online format. Just pay attention to your local news. If a Tesla is involved in any accident, the reporter will say Tesla was in an accident. Any other car and they will report car accident and not mention the brand.

[@tonyzhang4924]

@@leetjohnson yet you are telling me what a stupid way to think😂

[@andrerodriguez7603]

The new Prius looks just like Model 3 design wise. Once Tesla redesigns the front and rear of the model 3, they will look identical. 😅

[@ranolfojr.boholst8780]

I prefer the Prius Looks 😊

[@thesavagemerchant4502]

I would like to see a cost per mile comparison on the fuel mileage loop. Understanding that gas and cost per kw are different from area to area but just to see in Colorado. i.e. how much to drive each 100 miles.

[@ivantuma7969]

Colorado average is $0.125 / kWh and at 3.23 miles/kWh for the Prius ... to go 44 miles in EV mode would cost $1.70 plus $3.18 for a gallon of gas to go the additional 56 miles -so $4.88 to go 100 miles in the Prius. I believe using a Supercharger for a Tesla would cost about $6.25 to go 100 miles (using 4 miles/kWh for the Tesla) in Colorado. Home charging your Tesla would bring this down to about $3.12 to go 100 miles (I'm not adding any losses during charging).

[@dvader3263]

Under a "time of use plan" with off peak charging in our area of the Pacific Northwest, electricity is $0.045 per kWh or $0.06 with taxes and fees, so less than half the standard rate of $0.13. Our electric vehicle has travelled 17,500 miles in 16 months with no Supercharging, for about $262 in 17,500 miles. Then, for utilizing that "time of use plan" along with a program for smart thermostats, we receive a $25 credit on our electric bill twice per year.

[@ivantuma7969]

@@dvader3263 The Pacific Northwest is uniquely positioned - with most power coming from hydro-electric projects that have paid for themselves a few times over (at price of some very confused Salmon). I'm jealous tho. Colorado has deals where you can get down into the $0.07 range if you agree to pay more for a minimum base charge (Demand Metering?). I drive so little since I began WFH, it would cost me more to switch to those plans.

[@trenier23]

Sorry but I watch you taking your eyes off the road waay too much, not cool.

[@Junkhomebuyers]

hybrid is always better. i wish someone out there would convert a telsa into and hybrid. i think that would sell like hotcakes if possible.

[@laurenappa7233]

I don’t know if the ability to road trip is really a reason to pick or not pick a car. We have a gas car and still rent cars for long trips because we don’t want to put the miles on our personal car. It’s like buying a truck for that once in a blue moon trip to IKEA. I say buy a car for the 80% of use cases, not one off or rare uses. My two cents.

[@drnick40]

Toyota bets on looks but abandoned practicality and ergonomics. Tommy is 100% right. If charging of the car is not and issue, Tesla wins any day. Especially with the lower price of the standard range RWD and the incentives. Tesla is available for purchase right away from the convenience of your phone. If you want to buy a Toyota, it is made of unobtainiunm. And of course you have to see the greedy dealer and endure an experience comparable only to a root canal at the dentist. As an American I will bet on Tesla since it is 100% made in America. American workers feed American families.

[@Parker--]

Lol absolute nonsensical gibberish. The Prius, the car itself, is far more practical from top to bottom. The MSRP is far less than the Tesla even including tax credits (which most used ones will be inapplicable for and are also disappearing next year). The base Tesla is RWD only so it is wildly impractical outside California or completely useless anywhere that has real weather. To have a safe Tesla in the vast majority of the US, you have to spend the $45k on AWD LR. A Prius is FWD or AWD so even if it’s less fun it is always safe to drive outside if the worst winter storms. Further, the 2024 Teslas are completely impractical by removing stocks and physical buttons and force drivers to use the tablet instead of physical touch to control the vehicle. It actively creates distractions keeping eyes off the road and on the screen; issues that haven’t existed for the vast majority of the auto industry. There’s a reason third party buttons and speedometers are the most common purchases for any Tesla. The only knock on Prius is the insane dealer markups, but that’s like blaming Jewish people for the Holocaust. I love America. I’m looking at Teslas and Priuses right now, but I am not an insane zealot to make up such an absurdist argument that Teslas are more practical. Just an absolutely insane take.

[@nerdyeevideos1879]

Biggest difference here is that the model 3 gets a tax credit to reduce the price and I could buy one quickly or have one built within weeks. The Prius has a wait list and a $5,000 ‘premium’ built into the price from the dealer. That and it isn’t fair to quote the base model Prius since I am not convinced toyota has ever made one to purchase….

[@markspence3750]

Just boil it down. What do I get for my money? 0-60mph? Reliability? Gas stations? Sleeping while driving?

[@tumbleweed1976]

Adding any credit or incentives is not a true comparison. Glad to see these side by side.

[@jayhiggins5239]

Seems that with a metal roof the Tesla reah head room would be the same?

[@shredcity7217]

Love the content. As always. Disagree with you about your stance on the whole Elon/twitter thing, and to say he tarnished the Tesla name is kinda absurd. He seems to be selling them alright. Interesting stance from y’all.

[@jmboag]

Also didn't mention that Toyota as a company is very anti EV and actively fights against emissions regulations and MPG mandates.

[@leetjohnson]

I agree, they have a silly standpoint and can tell which way they lean. Bud Light 2.0?

[@elir.torres8642]

Getting a Tesla would of been fine a year ago but since Tesla opened their network to other cars you will be having long wait times just to getbfrom point a to point B.

[@JesusChristIsReal1026]

Both the Prius and Tezla look very sporty. It's hard to say which one looks better. Prius definitely have that Lamborghini Ferrari profile from the front silhouette slicing upward at 130 140 degrees. Kudos to Prius for that Italian design from the front. The Tezla rear end looks better. Side view both are super sporty.

[@alginyes]

Prius looks better from the side.

[@silvertube52]

Yes, I'm going with the Prius because I do a cross country trip every year. Unfortunately that is still not practical with an EV.

[@mcsike7264]

it is now tesla is opening there network to other evs like ford gm rivian and more coming so you go pretty much anymore in north america

[@jng888]

Don't forget that Prius still has to do maintenance for the gas engine components (oil change, air filter,, etc.).

[@joelmora2826]

60 bucks a year for 2 oil changes a year and 1 filter

[@sephugus]

Miss review of safety systems available on both cars. Also will still not comfortable with the milage range on EV cars today. Will still stick with the Prius.