2023 Toyota Prius Prime (Or Why Plug-In Hybrids Rule)

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Driven Car Reviews With Tom Voelk

Driven Car Reviews With Tom Voelk

Күн бұрын

There are reasons why pure electric vehicle don’t work everyone. For people without access to home Level 2 charging or commercial DC fast charging on road trip routes, plug-in hybrids might be the perfect solution. They’re EVs when wanted, gas when needed. The new 5th generation Toyota Prius Prime delivers up to 44 miles of electric range and fashion forward design. Could it be the perfect electrified option? Maybe, if you can find one to buy. Tom Voelk road trips a top trim XSE Premium model with the optional solar roof to Bow-Edison, WA and finds if quick, comfortable and engaging (but watch your head tall folks).
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00:00 Intro
1:11 Efficiency
1:45 Pricing
2:29 Powertrain / Charging
4:00 Performance
4:46 Real World Range
5:21 Road Trip!
8:20 Driving Dynamics
9:25 Interior
11:22 Back Seat
12:31 Hybrid Strategy
13:36 Cargo
15:00 Red Light Green Light
16:06 Summary
17:18 Epilogue
18:12 Before I Go

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@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
For those wondering how much Toyota Connected Services cost for using the Toyota Interface in the Prius XLE or Limited, here ya go- after the 1 year complimentary trial there are three options- $15mo for cloud-based interface functionality and navigation- OR- $15mo for cloud based interface functionality and native music streaming (through existing Apple Music and Amazon Music accounts) or $25mo for both music and navigation functionality. FYI, emergency services (SOS emergency calling) is free for 10 years. There are 3 months complimentary SiriusXM and 30 days free Wi-Fi Connection (high speed internet hotspot).
@user-gb3jq1io2c
@user-gb3jq1io2c 8 ай бұрын
they would be great if you could actually find one that wasn't $10k-$20k "market adjustment" on them. not paying $60k for a $43k MSRP car. If Toyota supply chain wasnt run by greed, I would have already purchased one.
@williamerazo3921
@williamerazo3921 8 ай бұрын
I’m not paying 43k for PHEV compact car. Model 3 is cheaper
@user-gb3jq1io2c
@user-gb3jq1io2c 8 ай бұрын
@@williamerazo3921 we already own an EV. The appeal of the PHEV for me is the wife and I can both run to work in full EV, but on road trips we dont have to sit at chargers all the time in the EV, we can make it all the way to the beach without having to stop for fuel.
@jml9550
@jml9550 8 ай бұрын
@@user-gb3jq1io2cexactly. My brother has a Tesla MS and his wife has a M3. They go on trips with his 400 miles MS and still needed to be charged, 30 minutes minimum. PHEV works the best for us as well, 40 miles range is enough for commute to work and we can use it for long trip wo charging, putting in gas takes me 5 minutes and off we go again.
@jml9550
@jml9550 8 ай бұрын
$2k markup here with SF Toyota. Though the wait maybe 3-6 months.
@davidcamacho3513
@davidcamacho3513 8 ай бұрын
Best way to fix that mark up issue, is simply not make the purchase unless absolutely necessary.
@presoquin
@presoquin 8 ай бұрын
Got my prime 1 month ago. Totally loved it. Best car ever. This is my 7th Toyota.
@Wilem35
@Wilem35 6 ай бұрын
Best car ever? Never buy a hybrid.
@ShadowLancer128
@ShadowLancer128 3 ай бұрын
Not to be rude but how old are you? And why is this your SEVENTH Toyota? You're spooking me here.
@1HeatWalk
@1HeatWalk 2 ай бұрын
Wish they made a wagon version of the new Prius. Like an update version of the Lexus CT200h.
@Treys_Waterboy
@Treys_Waterboy 2 ай бұрын
Did you pay a dealer price adjustment over MSRP?
@salocin911
@salocin911 8 ай бұрын
your presentation style and your insights are far above other review channels. please keep up your exemplary work. Long time subscriber
@lawlzownage1844
@lawlzownage1844 7 ай бұрын
One of the best reviews I've ever seen, and consistently informative and entertaining. Your shots of PNW make me miss living in the area. I don't miss the housing prices tho.
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 8 ай бұрын
Tom, Thanks for taking us along for the trip. The one time I visited your neck of the woods, I was driving a rented and very boxy 1987 Chevy Nova sedan. The scenery 🌲🌳looks just as good now as it did then. 😁 If I could fit inside this Prius and see through those gargantuan A pillars and tiny back window, I am sure I could learn to love it. 😉 In regard to Toyota's overarching Hybrid strategy, a lot more people would be 'on board' if Toyota would finally match their ongoing Hybrid promises with commensurate Hybrid production. 🤨
@normt430
@normt430 8 ай бұрын
This barely Chevy Volt efficiency from 2011!
@lawlzownage1844
@lawlzownage1844 7 ай бұрын
That's the point Toyota doesn't want you to remember. Tom alluded to it, subtly, with his Volt and ELS cameos. (nice)
@MrBlank0907
@MrBlank0907 8 ай бұрын
I normally don’t comment on these things, but something about this guy I really like. Great video
@7728abbott
@7728abbott 8 ай бұрын
As I hope you know, your reviews are thorough and great. Always a pleasure to watch them, Tom. Thank you!
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
Much appreciated, Abbott!
@nafnaf0
@nafnaf0 8 ай бұрын
Good PHEVs are awesome!!! I have a '23 BMW X5 45e (paid MSRP minus the $7500 tax credit) and it just amazing. It is so smooth, so quite, and 70% of my miles have been in full electric mode. It gets over 1000miles between tanks of gas (I never have to fill up, which is awesome). When power or range is needed I have an excellent turbo charged inline-6 on hand that kicks up pretty fast (it does take a split second or so, but not really ever a problem). I charge mostly on off-peak power which is basically free at $0.03/kWh. The great thing is you get nearly all the advantages of a full battery electric vehicle, without ever having to worry about charging, range, or charging infrastructure. I can put on the AC at anytime without having to turn the gas engine on. It is so much better than a regular car in so many ways. I think if more people knew about them, everyone would be getting them. They are much better than a ICE or full battery electric powered car.
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
I totally agree. We're so happy with our Rav4 Prime. I believe that most car buyers think a PHEV only uses its battery for the first 45 miles or whatever, then becomes a "regular gas car" that gets 20mpg or whatever. They don't understand that it's either an EV burning no gas, or a hybrid getting 45mpg. It's incredible that Toyota and other PHEV manufacturers don't try to educate the public.
@billurban1581
@billurban1581 7 ай бұрын
All of your accolades apply to my 455HP Volvo recharge except I pay $.17 a kilowatt hour in SE Pa. Where do you live? 104 mpg over 11,000 miles for mine, same ~70% on electric.
@Good1vibes
@Good1vibes 2 ай бұрын
I concur. Got myself a ‘21 X5 45e during the height of the pandemic here in Socal. Paid below invoice along with the tax credit at 0.9% interest rate. It is the best vehicle in its class. It’s getting Prius mpg range but takes 5 hours to charge using a level 2 charger. Hybrids are going to get better and better and the new Prius looks good.
@justins8895
@justins8895 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video and analysis. We appreciate you!
@KUBABATIJUS
@KUBABATIJUS 8 ай бұрын
Great content and professionally executed! Tom, you need to have 1M+ subs.
@TurfSurf
@TurfSurf 8 ай бұрын
I have had my Honda Clarity PHEV for 4 years now, still the best the car I have had, and no desire to upgrade to a full EV. 48 mile EV range is all I need for daily run around. I drove it to Vegas and back, worked well but it used much more gas than a Nissan Sentra or a Corolla because mostly highway driving, and I had to use onboard generator to recharge, but I don’t go to Vegas everyday so occasional extra gas cost is ok for 0 range anxiety or sitting in a charging station for 30 minutes.
@michael50861
@michael50861 8 ай бұрын
I just love Tom’s reviews 👍🏻
@nedtheprotist
@nedtheprotist 7 ай бұрын
Thanks as always for the thoughtful review! I get a lot of valuable information from your reviews and they've guided the last 3 purchases my family has made over the past 7 years (Honda Fit, Subaru Impreza, Toyota Rav4 Prime). Last year my wife was hit by a driver going over 100 mph in a 55 mph zone while driving the Impreza and the first responders at the scene claimed that car saved her life.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
Wow, hope she didn't have any major injuries. My family has totaled a bunch of Volvos but nothing like that. And thanks so much for the support. Martin gets coffee this weekend! Also, Subaru Impreza drops tomorrow.
@thescavwithnothingtolose1224
@thescavwithnothingtolose1224 8 ай бұрын
Great video, Tom.
@tmh44
@tmh44 7 ай бұрын
Great video as always--spotted a rare 20th Anniversary Edition GTI at 6:43, had one in the same color :)
@d3xbot
@d3xbot 7 ай бұрын
I've got a 2018 Honda Clarity PHEV and I've gotta say my experiences are pretty similar to yours (though my gas range is not!). On a hot summer day (an increasing majority in the south) or the coldest days of winter, I can do 35-40 miles on a full charge. When the summer cools off into fall and early winter -and- when winter begins to warm into spring, I can do 45-48 miles on a single charge. Either way, it's plenty for going to work, doing some shopping or going to hang out with friends after work, and heading back home. I went and complicated things for myself, though, by living in an apartment that doesn't have any EVSE installed, but at least there's a shopping center nearby where I can plug in my car and go for a walk. It's a pretty good routine! I do a lot of longer-distance driving (relatively speaking) on the weekends, though, and that's where the gas engine shows up. I wouldn't say it shines, but I can do 280-310 miles on a 6 gallon tank, so it's doing better than ICE cars and a lot of bigger hybrids, but it always feels disappointing to have to fuel up 2x as much as your friends with gas cars (even though their tanks are 3x as big and only go 2x as far). With that said, I've never been afraid of running out of range. One thing my PHEV has taught me, though, is that I reaaaally want to get a full EV, especially since public rapid chargers are becoming a lot more widespread! I can tell when my car is in hybrid mode. The acceleration goes from zippy and fun to slow and a touch anemic. The quiet EV experience becomes filled with something many Clarity drivers have dubbed "the angry bees" under the hood.
@conorreilly7640
@conorreilly7640 8 ай бұрын
Your videos are the best!
@philipperapaccioli2868
@philipperapaccioli2868 8 ай бұрын
The controversy about plug-ins is when they are company cars. The company pays for gas, but not for electricity so employees never charge them. I have had a Chevy volt for seven years. When you own a plug in, the driving experience is just better in electrical mode, noise, vibration, instant torque, and it is so economical that you make sure to charge.
@aaronwalsh8469
@aaronwalsh8469 8 ай бұрын
The biggest problem I can see with plug in hybrids is battery degradation. Charging and completely discharging the battery every day. A regular EV can drive a few days or a week depending on your driving needs.
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын
​@@aaronwalsh8469the problem you're pointing out is that Toyota (and most other brands tbh) have no intention of providing preventative maintenance or cell balancing for cars that are +7 years old. Their business model is the problem.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
@@aaronwalsh8469 Nope. Both our cars (mine 8 years old, hers 5 years old) have zero issues with the pack.
@virgilhowarth7394
@virgilhowarth7394 8 ай бұрын
@@aaronwalsh8469 I own a 2014 Prius and haven't noticed any battery degradation.
@petegalindez9961
@petegalindez9961 8 ай бұрын
Great stuff Tom! As always. I had a RAV4 Prime….are you able to put the powertrain in charge mode so the motor charges the batteries while you’re driving? I used to do that sometimes when I would go on long trips so I had EV power for local traffic…it dinged my gas MPG by a couple MPG, but I liked having the EV power to drive on local roads.
@Qrail
@Qrail 7 ай бұрын
Hello. I subscribed. Thanks for testing this unfound unit. I have 2 PHEV’s, and I like to see who is catching me. My 2017 Audi A3 eTron can only manage 24 electric miles, but after 3.5 years my stats are 86 mpge and 46 mpg. …and the Prius nameplate has an interesting effect on some people. They either love it or hate it. I previously owned a Gen 2 model, and on my economy test of 118 miles, (preformed on all of my cars since 2009) the Prius used 1.7 gallons. 69 mpg. That was a champion for years. The Audi used 1.5 gallons at 79 mpg. For 3.5 years, it was at the top of the leaderboard, replacing the 2005 Prius. My latest addition, 2019 Ford Fusion Energi made the trip using 1.3 gallons at 90 mpg. (From Boomtown NV to Arden Fair in Sacramento, CA.) PHEV’s are more efficient, and have a longer range
@farcinue
@farcinue 8 ай бұрын
Priuses have really evolved well. More power, more efficiency. Toyota has done well with their hybrid technology. This and the Corolla Cross Hybrid are on our shortlist for an urban commuter. That town is so cute! Like Napa without the throngs of people.
@18_rabbit
@18_rabbit 7 ай бұрын
Edison Bow is a microtown vs anything in California. But it's really sweet actually and in a very sweet region.
@madlucio70
@madlucio70 8 ай бұрын
I really love the potential of this car, but even up here in Québec where EVs are a common sight, I am have only seen a few. They need to make a lot more of them. Love your videos.
@JeanYvesHudon
@JeanYvesHudon 8 ай бұрын
especially in Quebec, EVs make lots of sense and plug-ins much less depending of your use case.
@jml9550
@jml9550 8 ай бұрын
See plenty of these in the SF Bay Area….although no as much as Teslas.
@krrk6337
@krrk6337 7 ай бұрын
Very sensible review as usual from Tom
@stevebowzer
@stevebowzer 7 ай бұрын
I’m so glad you explained the TP, I thought you were buying all of that every time 😂
@mjhowson2389
@mjhowson2389 8 ай бұрын
Great video, as always. I do agree that it all comes down to the individual owner's driving needs. I owned a Volt and after a few years realized I could easily do all my road trips with a pure EV because of the robust charging network and the fact that my long trips were around 300 miles a few times a year. But others may have different needs. I think Toyota did a great job with the Prius/Prime, and if it works for you - and you can get it at a decent price - go for it.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
Agreed. We both understand that a range of 200 miles is really all we need and will be going full EV in the future. But those are our conditions. Buy the vehicle that works for your needs.
@MrSmada4
@MrSmada4 7 ай бұрын
​@@DrivenCarReviewsi have a 2019 Chevy Volt too. I was wondering, since you reviewed both, is the Prius Prime superior? Is it with trading my almost five year old Volt for a Prius. Has five years made a difference or are they basically the same car?
@davidp.4727
@davidp.4727 8 ай бұрын
Just got mine last month. Very impressed with this car! My other car is an EV and this will be our road tripping vehicle.
@jml9550
@jml9550 8 ай бұрын
Now that makes perfect sense. Just bought my wife a 2024 Lexus NX350H. I am now waiting to see how the next gen Lexus ES looks or if an PHEV will be offered. If not, I might just buy a Lucid Air Pure for less than 200 miles trip and use the NX350H on long trips.
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
Your term - "road tripping vehicle" - perfectly illustrates the problem with BEVs as they're actually used. The vast majority of people who own a Tesla have another car, IN ADDITION to their Tesla, that they drive whenever they're going on a "road trip," i.e. any trip where they'd have to sit at a charging station. 99% of the time, that "road tripping vehicle" is a gas guzzler, not a hybrid. They end up buying more cars AND buying more gas than if they just owned a single PHEV that is an EV most days and a 40+mpg hybrid on "road trips."
@18_rabbit
@18_rabbit 7 ай бұрын
true, though maaaany households need two cars if not more, anyway! so there's that.@@flt528
@AmericanBusinessman422
@AmericanBusinessman422 22 күн бұрын
Hah, the EV owner had to go back to ice to even be able to go on trips.
@davidp.4727
@davidp.4727 22 күн бұрын
@@AmericanBusinessman422 and I still save $1800 a year on gas driving an EV. My suffering is unbearable!
@Richard-xv7yf
@Richard-xv7yf 8 ай бұрын
One of the best automotive journalist. Keep up the good work sir.
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын
Nikki Gordon Bloomfield of Transport Evolved
@AbeyantHero
@AbeyantHero 8 ай бұрын
20yrs & They still welcome you for their t.p. test & same people still work there?! That's some small town hospitality I wish more places had.
@logikgr
@logikgr 7 ай бұрын
8:09 Tom Voelk, the perfect customer for every vehicle type. Man I wish I were you.
@sdt33
@sdt33 Ай бұрын
Great video, well done.
@xanderunderwoods3363
@xanderunderwoods3363 3 ай бұрын
This video convinced me to buy one. Thank you from Alaska 🙂
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 3 ай бұрын
Glad I could help!
@TheGerm24
@TheGerm24 8 ай бұрын
They definitely need to make more of these. There aren't any I can find within a few hundred miles of me in Central Texas.
@markbajek2541
@markbajek2541 7 ай бұрын
Some states don't sell them as they are more or less marketed to states that have energy restrictions and or state tax rebates in addition to the federal one.. I was looking a year or so ago from Michigan, couldn't order it locally and the closest dealers with stock or allowed to get one shipped in were NY, IL and generally they had 1 car maybe ...it's mostly east coast west coast and illinois..
@danhall3450
@danhall3450 8 ай бұрын
Nice review Tom. I currently own a 2019 Kia Niro PHEV. I'm considering a 2023 Niro. What are pros & cons of Prius over Niro other than about 10% more range per charge. Thanks!
@Seriouspatt
@Seriouspatt 8 ай бұрын
I like the new Prius but no air vents in the back are kind of a shame.
@th003g
@th003g 8 ай бұрын
The steering wheel and display are a shame.
@jml9550
@jml9550 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, the rear air vent is my only grip, otherwise i will put a deposit on one tomorrow. Now I am waiting for the next gen Lexus ES hybrid, hopefully Lexus will offer a PHEV version as well. If not I will still go with the Lexus ES hybrid for the rear vent alone.
@KTPurdy
@KTPurdy 6 ай бұрын
Very informative
@nige-g
@nige-g 8 ай бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this review. I'm looking to change to fully electric, but hybrid is maybe the way to go. Hi from across the pond.
@dayoadeosun1520
@dayoadeosun1520 8 ай бұрын
I enjoy this review you have made Tom. I am enjoying my toyota prius phev 2020, here in the UK. Sadly, this prius phev model is not coming to the UK. No range anxiety. I Charge daily at home, and I also charge at a public charge point, that is just 1min drive from where I work.
@nicholasdevlin4582
@nicholasdevlin4582 7 ай бұрын
Thankfully Toyota has U-turned and it’s coming to the UK now.
@dayoadeosun1520
@dayoadeosun1520 7 ай бұрын
​@nicholasdevlin4582 oh waoo, that's good news. Prius would save me from going full EV, best of both worlds.
@englishrose4388
@englishrose4388 2 ай бұрын
This is the best I’ve watched in the Prius, thank you.
@toddbenfield6546
@toddbenfield6546 8 ай бұрын
Love your videos👍how’s your Chevy volt doing??
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
Great. No problems. Volts tend to be very reliable.
@timmoore9736
@timmoore9736 6 ай бұрын
There is an interesting video on plug-in hybrids and what one really needs to understand about them.
@Irvine88888888
@Irvine88888888 7 ай бұрын
Great review, thank you. I am delighted to hear that Toyota have changed their mind and are now going to bring the new Prius to the UK in 2024 🇬🇧👏🏻
@Geckogold
@Geckogold 8 ай бұрын
Toyota's biggest issue with their Prime lineup is making enough of them. Sure, people will want them, but because of the limited availability, they're hard to find. This also means dealers will mark them up, forcing people to pay even more for it than they need to. So yeah, they can build more Primes with a given battery amount compared to say, a Tesla Model S. But the question is, are they? As it stands now, you can get a Tesla fairly quickly, and you don't have to deal with the dealer BS games ("Let me talk to my manager") either. Plus it qualifies for the US Federal tax credit for plug-ins, which Toyota currently doesn't, bringing the cost down even further for many. And starting Jan 1st, 2024, that tax credit can be applied during the time of sale, instead of having to wait for the tax year to end. I wish Toyota well on this plug-in hybrid endeavor, but I hope they build enough to meet demand for these cars and upcoming Prime versions of their other vehicles.
@MonkKFBR
@MonkKFBR 8 ай бұрын
I own one. 1600 miles on it. I've spent $9.00 on gas (yes, that's right). mostly town driving and plug it in each night means I, literally, don't need gas until I leave town. Love this thing. My iphone 13 pro charges fine, but, I don't use a case (and you do).
@JeremyMeehan
@JeremyMeehan 8 ай бұрын
Outstanding car. I opted for the AWD Hybrid Corolla for 12k Less. The hashtags are tacky, cheap and stupid. When toyota ditches the hashtags and introduces an AWD Prime I'll buy the prius.
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
We first looked at buying an EV, thinking PHEVs were the worst of both worlds, but settled on a Rav4 Prime. It's an EV 80% of the time because we don't usually drive more than 50 miles in a day. Then instead of buying a second, gas-guzzling car for long trips (which is what most Tesla owners around here do), or worrying about public charging, we just drive ONE CAR and get 40+mpg after the EV-only range is depleted. I now think that PHEVs are the best of both worlds.
@mrjjthor
@mrjjthor 7 ай бұрын
I love my used PHEV Fusion Energi as i have enough range to get to work and back without using any fuel. I also charge at home and can go on 700-800 miles before filling up. Previously my Tacoma and gx460 were my daily drivers getting 13-15mpg on average.
@snoopingasusualisee3903
@snoopingasusualisee3903 7 ай бұрын
Have you had any issues with transmission or major problems? I see used energi getting cheaper
@mrjjthor
@mrjjthor 7 ай бұрын
@@snoopingasusualisee3903 I just got the car a month ago so I can't really comment on that. However, my research so far the Fusion Energi and hybrid have both been very reliable base on owners reviews. I think the small trunk of the Energi is what's causing the low price tag as there's not storage space.
@93455Driver
@93455Driver 8 ай бұрын
I am biased being a Corolla owner, but I think Toyota have done a great job with the new gen Prius. I wonder why they did not offer the Prime in AWD? Maybe a lack of space? Only negative for me is the gauge cluster....not being able to see the gauge cluster in full would annoy.
@COSolar6419
@COSolar6419 8 ай бұрын
A couple of years ago we would have bought a RAV4 Prime had we been able to find one. We ended up getting a fully electric Hyundai Ioniq 5 and are glad we did. We’ve had no difficulties with charging on road trips. It requires planning ahead but it’s not difficult.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
I totally agree with everything you said.
@billurban1581
@billurban1581 7 ай бұрын
Your reviews are very nicely done. Thank you. I have a Volvo PHEV Sedan. The secret for good fuel mileage in this Volvo on a longer trip is called “predictive energy function.” It’s a secret because no one reads the manual. If your trip (or round-trip) is plotted in the navigation system, the battery will be apportioned over the entire trip wherever advantageous. In my experience, this is worth another 15 to 20% in fuel mileage compared to just draining the battery first. My car is substantially heavier than this Prius, and has 455 hp and 523 lb. ft., but will regularly get 55 mpg on a 175 mile trip.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
I should have been more clear. I burned the pack first to check its efficiency on the highway. Kind of PHEV 101 to save the pack for city use.
@RockwellAIM65
@RockwellAIM65 7 ай бұрын
Honestly before we had a Pryus Pryme our power bill was $150. We made a few changes and it dropped to under $100 for a few years. Now it's back to $150. So even tho' we juice up our car on electric commonly, we seem to pay nothing more. Interesting stuff!
@watkikel
@watkikel 8 ай бұрын
I bought my 23 Prius prime XSE in July. I love the car. Until recently in Vancouver, WA I could commute 20 miles round trip to work on EV only. As the rain and cold comes in if you need a defrost heater you have to use the gas engine. On my way home (11PM) the car kicks on the engine in EV mode until the coolant is hot enough. It’s usually 3 miles. The ICE kicks on as needed. Great car. It’s awesome but don’t expect to only be in EV mode year around. For me personally, having to use .1 gallons of gas a day is not a real problem 🤷🏻
@borgimplantdan
@borgimplantdan 7 ай бұрын
Great review... Now that my son is in college I no longer need to use my SUV for carpooling. I ended up getting a 2023 Prius Prime. No regrets here; the fuel economy is great. My commute to and from work is now just EV. Best of all, my one time fill up in the three months that I have driven it was $27.00 vs one fillup in my X5 of $118.00 every third week.... Its a no brainer. Best if all, I guess, my market markup was $4700.00. I didn't realize the price markup can be insane with other dealerships.
@18_rabbit
@18_rabbit 7 ай бұрын
yep. By next summer, mark ups will be mark downs quite possibly, or at least by two summer from now. We'll possibly be back to a typical car e.g. Rav4, at 4K below msrp, as it always was and even was in '21!
@aceventuraaceventura2003
@aceventuraaceventura2003 7 ай бұрын
Nice review Tom, still remember your review of Mazda Speed 3 many years ago, I must have watched that video at least 50 times. If Toyota can allow consumers to upgrade the full EV mode to at least 60-100miles per charge, these will sell like hotcakes.
@localnut1
@localnut1 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MachinegunAK
@MachinegunAK 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if there is only a seat pocket on the passenger side seat because that's the one the driver can access. I remember back in the day when we used to use big map books pre Google days, I used to store the map in that rear passenger pocket.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
It's cost savings. People sitting in back want places to put things. Think about two kids back there fighting over one pocket.
@westnash
@westnash 8 ай бұрын
Do the new model Prius's work for overnight camping like the earlier generations? Is there enough room for comfort w/ seats folded flat?
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
Not a high use situation so I didn’t test that
@hobartspitz1029
@hobartspitz1029 7 ай бұрын
I've been driving a Prius Prime Advanced for 5 years. If you expect to exceed the battery range, the correct way to use the vehicle is to switch to HV mode as soon as you get on the highway or as soon as your destination is out of range ot the remaining charge. Don't drain the battery to "empty" (30%). As you approach your destination and get into the range of the remaining charge, switch back to EV mode. You want to use the low speed efficiency of electric motor to get up to speed at the beginning of your trip and for the slower driving as you get near your destination. It's time to plug in. Switch to free or discounted night electricity if available. Otherwise, great job.
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
In the winter, we put it in HV mode at the start of any long trip where we leave in the morning. The engine runs, warming up the car and the battery, and the outside temp goes up as the day goes on. Once car and air temp are warmer, we put it back in EV, even though we're usually on the highway at that point. Cold temps have a huge impact on battery range - more so than highway vs city, I believe.
@TomLawlor-iq6gm
@TomLawlor-iq6gm 15 күн бұрын
We finally got our 24 Prime after a 21 month wait. Love it already after 3 months of ownership. We have driven it almost 3,000Km now, almost all of it in EV Mode and actually put gas in it for the first time a week ago. And that was because we had to drive a 300Km highway round trip. When I drive in EV Mode, the car usually exceeds the advertised range, my best day was 81.5Km with 28% charge left. My wife has a heavier right foot so her results reflect that. In a way, I was somewhat disappointed with that first highway trip. In anticipation, we had charged the battery to 100% thinking that in Hybrid Mode (the first time we'd selected it), the car would alternate between gas and electric (like our first 2 non-Prime Prius' did), and return very high milage numbers. But, not so. Even in Hybrid Mode the car ran strictly on battery until it died at almost 85km. Why. Still, when the engine did kick-in we wound-up with over 61Mpg at the end of the trip. We have 17" wheels and did not need to use AC/heat on the trip (oh, and I was driving), God love her.
@tazeat
@tazeat 8 ай бұрын
I can definitely see the customer for this, still not sure it's worth it in multiple car households. Coming in just over the price of the base RWD model 3 (assuming you actually get one for MSRP, which is tough with Toyota lately) it shows its value, but as configured, it's still more than even a Y LR if you can qualify for that sweet federal $7500 incentive. And well it definitely won't drive like one if you want the best part of a BEV, the guilt free, quiet, ability to step on it anywhere you feel the urge. But if nothing else they're practical and definitely can just sip on the gas. And honestly, the reduced use of those precious metals in the battery is commendable and probably makes them the "green" pick in most cases. Edison is of course only 7 miles from the Burlington Supercharger and you'd surely have had to drive right by it on the way out there, hard to really find a location in western WA that's tough trip in a Tesla anymore, but not all BEVs are as lucky today until access opens up. A trip to Republic, WA and back might make for a more interesting far from infrastructure route that most BEVs would struggle with today (A Lucid can probably stretch its legs and make it, but most will require extended level 2 use to make the trip). The Cascade loop might be another one that requires a little more resourceful charging.
@TomLawlor-iq6gm
@TomLawlor-iq6gm 15 күн бұрын
Our 2024 Prime was $39,000 CAD, before the $5,000 rebate. A model 3 here costs $67,000 CAD before the $7,000 rebate. The thing is 3 months old and we have put gas in it once after over 3,000Km. And, we have an extra $20,000 in the bank.
@porsche558
@porsche558 8 ай бұрын
The Prius has always been the “king” of hybrids however they have always been rather small and not even the slightest bit interesting to look at. Toyota seems to have gotten the memo that people like their cars to look good not just be reliable and efficient. Personally I’m cool with a vehicle that isn’t attractive as long as it passes as safe, reliable, affordable, and fun to drive. That said it doesn’t hurt if said vehicle also looks cool. Awesome video as always Tom!!
@triforcelink
@triforcelink 8 ай бұрын
I’ve got a 2nd gen Prius, if you saw the stuff I have hauled in that thing you would never call it small again. My wife and I even did cross country road trip and slept in it.
@guylr7390
@guylr7390 7 ай бұрын
Prius since the 2nd gen have all been larger on the inside than they look. Our Prius v ( that’s the van version ) which I think is rather good looking is huge inside and you will find them in use as taxis all over Europe and NYC.
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
The Rav4 is not small. All the same technology from the Prius, but a bigger car with a bigger battery. I am baffled that Toyota doesn't make plug-in versions of more of its cars though. Why on Earth would they not offer a Camry Prime?
@guylr7390
@guylr7390 7 ай бұрын
@@flt528 They can’t even come up with enough batteries for the Prime models they already have. Finding a RAV4 or Prius Prime is close to impossible and finding one for MSRP is actually important.
@georgedoolittle7574
@georgedoolittle7574 8 ай бұрын
What I thought that I hadn't thought of before is that a PHEV doesn't need reverse on the transmission as all electric mode can cover that with this system. I've only seen one vehicle reviewed where this is apparently true...a $200,000 plus dollar McClaren but, hey if that's what it takes to get people to think
@DoctorChange106
@DoctorChange106 7 ай бұрын
thank you good review
@baldheadlogic
@baldheadlogic 8 ай бұрын
Great Review. Hands down…Best looking Prius ever IMHO. The interior packaging takes a dive though. Nice features…No turn signal mounted mirrors??? Oh well..
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын
It takes a dive because it's pretty pretentious in trying to appear premium
@user-tb5pq7yo5n
@user-tb5pq7yo5n 8 ай бұрын
Turn signal mirrors (+auto folding) only outside of NA - for some reasons...
@legambaz
@legambaz 8 ай бұрын
Toyota has up the game by a big margin in terms of styling this gen Prius inside and out.
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын
That's only surface deep. The inside part is not enough. It has the bones of a 2018 Corolla Hybrid with an added HV plugin battery 5 years later. Sure, if there was more variation of body designs, a sport Prius would be excellent, but there isn't any variety. It's effectively a premium, exclusive offering. That's not a good look for Toyota who are a decade behind EVs eating its market share
@TinLeadHammer
@TinLeadHammer 8 ай бұрын
​@@toyotaprius79I would prefer Corolla hatchback hybrid to Prius, but in the US Corolla hybrid only comes as a sedan.
@ianjay5301
@ianjay5301 8 ай бұрын
I have ordered a Prius Prime but we can't get the solar roof in Canada. I tried a 2023 M3 but did not like it so I sold it. I love driving electric (had hints of it with a 2008 Escape and then 11 years of bliss with the Chevrolet Volt. The Volt was kept in a garage or covered and plugged in every night. It was operating with 80 Kms of range when I sold it, so the batteries were in excellent shape. I would buy it back if I could find it, but will have to settle for the Prius with its shorter electric range since GM ditched plug ins and is pretending to go all electric (compare how many Lyriqs have been built compared to Lyriqs actually delivered). Yes a plug in is complicated, but as I found with the Volt, if it is done right, it is great.
@GHinWI
@GHinWI 7 ай бұрын
That subtle Cadillac ELR flex…haha
@georgepelton5645
@georgepelton5645 8 ай бұрын
Toyota has done an incredible job remaking the Prius, increasing performance without sacrificing mpg. This review of it is the best I have seen, by far. Video editing and commentary are top notch, a joy to watch and listen to. However, a Tesla Model 3 RWD costs less than this top spec Prius and has much better performance, stereo system, and features. It also has $7500 tax credit available (maybe less in 2024), making it $7500 less expensive for people that are eligible for the full credit. Tom's charging situation, 120 V only, would also work for a Model 3 or other EV. It can provide 40-50 miles per overnight charge. Since that is enough for Tom's daily driving in a PHEV, it will be no different for an EV. The difference is that Tom would need to use superchargers instead of stoping at gas stations when taking a long trip.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
120V would give around 35-40 miles overnight, I've done it. That works for some, not for others. You're comparing a top spec Prius with a base Model 3 and I would argue that Tesla does not have a better sound system and or features. But some of that is subjective. And road tripping a base 3 with 220 miles of real world range would mean a lot more charging on road trips (vs over 500 with the Prime). As always, but the vehicle that works for your needs.
@georgepelton5645
@georgepelton5645 7 ай бұрын
@@DrivenCarReviews I agree that 120 V changing works for some, but not for everyone. Most people will need 240 V and it still is nice to have for the ones that don’t need it. As for road trips, my non-intuitive take is that it takes far more time to refuel a 500-mile Prius, than a 220-mile Tesla. For the Prius I will need to spend 5-10 minutes to stop at a gas station, fill up, pay, and leave. I will also stop for restroom breaks (I can’t go 500 miles), and for meals. For the Tesla I don’t have to stop at a gas station at all. I just charge during my restroom and meal stops, so zero time spent charging 2-4 times, vs. 5-10 minutes for refilling the Prius once.
@18_rabbit
@18_rabbit 7 ай бұрын
@@DrivenCarReviews 500miles w/ Prime, and then a three minute fill up vs much more time, if can even find an open or functioning charger on the hwy or road trip
@18_rabbit
@18_rabbit 7 ай бұрын
actually in some areas of California, there are so many local incentives that the totals have gotten over 20K in incentives total!
@asphyxiafeeling
@asphyxiafeeling 8 ай бұрын
My dream car rn. Someday I WILL be able to afford one!
@matthewmoore5934
@matthewmoore5934 8 ай бұрын
Great review! Question, is there any feature that will switch to gas to burn it before it gets too old? Or is that purely up to the driver to track? Nearly all of our trips could be made on the battery. (Maybe that just means I should get an EV - but I'm still curious.)
@virgilhowarth7394
@virgilhowarth7394 8 ай бұрын
I would think that using to gas motor once in awhile would be a good practice.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
I believe there is (just like Volt and ELR). But I think you'll find on a day-to-day basis, you'll use the petrol little by little. Then one big trip means a trip to the gas station. Again, I fill mine half way.
@jeffruebens8355
@jeffruebens8355 8 ай бұрын
Good idea to buy some marine grade Stabil so the gasoline does not get old as fast, for lots of short trips.
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
Yes, you can choose either Hybrid mode (will run both engine and EV motors even if battery is fully charged) or charge mode (will run engine only until battery is fully charged).
@inrussian
@inrussian 5 ай бұрын
Is it worth getting the prime or just a regular one
@wicked_smaaht
@wicked_smaaht 8 ай бұрын
Loved it.
@UncleBensChannel
@UncleBensChannel 3 ай бұрын
I have a Chevy Volt, and I plug it in when I come home. It works great.
@samohtsolacad229
@samohtsolacad229 6 ай бұрын
This car is perfect for my wife. At one point , she worked two jobs as a caretaker, one was almost two miles one-way and the other was three blocks. Based on the Prius's Electric miles only of 40miles max, she'll only have to plug TWICE overnight in a month.
@Harrythehun
@Harrythehun 8 ай бұрын
Are the catalytic converters better protected in this car model?
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
There's an available security cage that can be installed.
@shenmisheshou7002
@shenmisheshou7002 8 ай бұрын
I have a Honda Clarity that I bought 5 years ago. The range is rated at 47 miles and most of the year, I get that, but in the winter, it is less than 40 miles. For me though, that is more than enough. I literally go months at a time without using a drop of gas and I have gone a year between filling up. When I take trips, I use Hybrid mode, and I routinely get 43 MPG on the highway. Around town in hybrid mode, I can get 60 MPG. I have 220 volt charger and I had it installed right next to where the car is parked, and I charge the car every time I drive it, so every time I get into it, the battery state of charge is 100%. I am totally sold on having a plug in hybrid and Toyota got it about right with the battery capacity because most people can commute to work and home on a battery charge.
@billfletcher5495
@billfletcher5495 8 ай бұрын
Purchased a Q5 PHEV two days ago. Very few on the lots so the dealer hit us hard on the price.
@Zripas
@Zripas 8 ай бұрын
Not many buying and not many being produced, so you will not find bunch of those on a dealers lot just standing there while they could occupy that space with more popular cars.
@joemartino6976
@joemartino6976 8 ай бұрын
The A pillar is an issue. I owned a 2004 Prius and had the opportunity to drive a friend’s new Prius. I noticed greater difficulty getting in and out of the seat. Beyond that, a much more attractive vehicle. On a separate note, the plug-in hybrid option would be, I think, a wise option in much of the truck market. I’m a big fan of EV’s, have one myself, but Toyota is at least partially correct. Plug-in hybrids are sometimes the smarter option.
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 8 ай бұрын
We have to ask ourselves, what has taken Toyota so long to still not offer a Prius pickup? The Ford Maverick hybrid was made over a decade after the Escape, puts Toyota to shame Toyota executives have squandered everything
@Tmrfe0962
@Tmrfe0962 8 ай бұрын
I have always loved the prime, this version is a beauty. Thanks Tom
@toddbeavis9137
@toddbeavis9137 7 ай бұрын
Hey Tom, I noticed that you have a Cadillac ELR as well, and wondering how you compare to the new Prius Prime XSE. I ask, as my ELR was written off, and picked up the Prius Prime 2 weeks ago. The ELR was an amazing car, and most people dont know how good it is. I would ha e bought another one if I could have, but very rare in Canada. I am very impreased with the prime XSE so far and have noticed a number of similarities, almost like Toyota followed a lot of the ELR traits. I do miss the overall luxury of the ELR though. I would like to know your thoughts.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
The ELR is a beautiful unicorn and I like mine a lot, especially since I got a screaming deal on it. But it's not for everyone, especially being a two door with limited trunk space. And then there's the limited parts, especially body panels. The ELR has a much nicer cabin than the Prius but the Toyota will be supported well for years. Sounds like yours was totaled, hoping everyone was okay. Enjoy the Prius!
@kbmblizz1940
@kbmblizz1940 6 ай бұрын
I own both a model Y & a Phev. I like them both, I plug both daily. Fanboys always say no one plugs in a Phev. To me, it is one thing I have complete control. I am lucky to own my house with a garage & I'm qualified to wire up L2 charger for just material costs for the Y. The Phev, otoh, 120vac is fine. We use the Y for trips, Phev for errands etc. I put in 10 gal ⛽ (driving everyday) for 3 months. There is a lot of use cases where Phev is good enough: rental, ❄️...until charging infrastructure & 🔋 supply, even production capacity, tip the scale, hybrid tech has a role, to reduce fossil use.
@gregdee9085
@gregdee9085 7 ай бұрын
Glad to see this getting taction.. most posters just post the vanity stuff to get views but not at all practical for the majority of ppl.
@Treys_Waterboy
@Treys_Waterboy 2 ай бұрын
Does the solar roof option create more headroom than the sunroof?
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 2 ай бұрын
Toyota's specs don't show any difference. Sit in both to make sure.
@hardyboy1959
@hardyboy1959 7 ай бұрын
I was thinking of getting one of these until I sat in it and found it too low compared to my current Prius. They keep calling it 'sexy' but I call it call it 'confining'. I ended up getting a used Honda Clarity PHEV.
@JayPoe80
@JayPoe80 7 ай бұрын
At .30¢ an kWh for electric and gas prices around mid $3 a prime or ev has very little advantage over my non plug in Prius. It may even increase the cost depending on variables such as season, cost per gallon and ev efficiency. I’d still like an ev so I don’t have to do oil changes, stop for gas and have fewer moving parts.
@kyrosmike
@kyrosmike 8 ай бұрын
I can get 50 miles out of a charge on my Rav4 Prime sticking to the streets, but full charge at 80mph it gets like 20 miles. I always use gas at highway speeds.
@Steve-O_FPV
@Steve-O_FPV 3 ай бұрын
This is a good looking Prius. Nice job Toyota, finally got me to look Priuses way.
@ahbenjamin2889
@ahbenjamin2889 8 ай бұрын
Tom, are you sure that is a Cutting Edge exterior, it looks more like the grey. My friend has a Cutting Edge exterior on his 2023 Prius Hybrid and it is a silver color . Just asking? Enjoy your videos very much.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
It's what the Monroney said.
@ahbenjamin2889
@ahbenjamin2889 8 ай бұрын
As I said I have enjoyed your content all the way back to the days of NY Times.@@DrivenCarReviews
@stephenfriedman9062
@stephenfriedman9062 7 ай бұрын
Tom’s Prius Prime color is Guardian Gray.
@cablebrain9691
@cablebrain9691 8 ай бұрын
Not providing two rear seat pockets is psychologically annoying to me, due in part to my desire for symmetry. Then again, I get upset about there being a steering wheel and pedals on one side only.😋
@MartinGollery
@MartinGollery 7 ай бұрын
I wish they would make the sienna into a plug-in hybrid! It is already amazing, but it could be better!
@tommihelich2613
@tommihelich2613 8 ай бұрын
Boy, the doom and gloomers are migrating to your reviews too Tom. To answer a couple questions here: In my RAV4 Prime there is software built-in to burn off the gas before it goes stale. I’ve never had to worry about that since I regularly use my engine. There is a protocol for charging the batteries to get the maximum life out of them : basically to set a schedule of overnight charging so charging ends just before leaving for the day. Or during the day I may top up the batteries to enable more electric use. If people are worried about extreme mark-ups then look out of state. No one is holding a gun to your head to purchase 5 miles from your home. As for degradation of the battery pack: who knows for sure? Some say 20% loss over 10 years. In the summer I’m getting 50 miles of range on an overnight charge. If that forecast is true it would drop to 40.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
I agree with everything you point out. People making these statement are either misinformed or spreading misinformation. My PHEV is coming up on 8 years old with nearly zero degradation in the pack. A GM engineer that commuted 100 miles a day (charged at home and at work) put 110K miles on his 1st gen Volt and when the pack was tested they saw a 10% degradation.
@AdamJakowenko
@AdamJakowenko 8 ай бұрын
Would've liked to hear more about that gauge cluster...so you could see it ok over the wheel (except for font size) at your height? Did your wife test ability to see it at her height? Still trying to figure out if seeing it is height dependent or if you'd have to put the wheel in an awkward position just to see it.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
Different people have different opinions. It depend on your torso length. You can't figure it out by looking at a video. You have to get your butt in the seat and check it for yourself.
@esajharma
@esajharma 7 ай бұрын
About 2.9 million new plug-in hybrid electric cars sales were sold worldwide in 2022. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) sales accounted for around 28.4 percent of electric vehicle sales in 2022. Meanwhile, battery electric vehicles accounted for most of the global sales that same year.
@lazarjd
@lazarjd 8 ай бұрын
I think a sweet spot for PHEVs would be charging on the weekends to reduce fuel consumption and still drive like a regular ICE car as much as possible. How would this be in this use scenario?
@flt528
@flt528 7 ай бұрын
Why on Earth would you only charge your PHEV on weekends? We plug ours in overnight every night, like you do with your smartphone. Plugs into any household outlet and is fully charged by morning. It does "drive like a regular ICE car" - we can't even tell when the car switches from motor only to engine only to motor+engine.
@lazarjd
@lazarjd 7 ай бұрын
@@flt528 Honestly, I'm not into smartphones and new tech enough to want to charge every night. I prefer gas cars but I'd like to save a little money on gas. It's really not anything more than that.
@citibear57
@citibear57 8 ай бұрын
Thank you Tom, thank you Mrs Voelk, and thank you Martin Campbell. To Mrs Voelk, don't be shy. We've already seen you in previous videos, and you are very pretty.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 8 ай бұрын
My wife says thanks for the compliment. She's too shy to comment herself.
@citibear57
@citibear57 8 ай бұрын
@@DrivenCarReviews I understand. I used to be shy too. Mr Voelk makes up for Mrs Voelk's shyness 😁
@chaming7863
@chaming7863 5 ай бұрын
For someone who has a short commute, (all electric),it seems having your gasoline go bad in the tank from age is a consideration
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 5 ай бұрын
It’s not, people overreact to that. Also, that’s easily solved by doing what I do, buying half tanks of gas.
@tajdvl-advocate6113
@tajdvl-advocate6113 8 ай бұрын
I like the plug-in hybrid concept. I like the fact that electricity, so far, costs much less per mile than a gallon of gas and even more so if you can tap into your own excess home solar panel capacity. What I don’t like is the EV only range. The common 25-35 mile range needs to be doubled or tripled . Most commuters just can’t get to and from work within that range. I’d also like for them to be upgraded to 150 k watt or above fast charging and include an NACS charging interface. Maybe it will get figured out by 2025 or 2026.
@SweBeach2023
@SweBeach2023 8 ай бұрын
As the presenter said, assuming the car will always being charged overnight and used daily it will run at least 10 000 miles a year on electricity. That's like 80 percent of the average distance driven in the US. And with a bit of planning all city use when the MPG is at its worst electricity can be used.
@billurban1581
@billurban1581 7 ай бұрын
Most important, this gives you a choice, two ways to propel come brown/black outs, price hikes, nat disasters. Choice is good.
@jojaysta
@jojaysta 5 ай бұрын
You are the next great Brian Cooley of CNET!
@sleekitwan
@sleekitwan 8 ай бұрын
Well, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum, with my lowly but much-loved Prius gen 3. There are a couple, not many, proper comparisons out there that show over certain journeys PHEVs are almost exactly as expensive as hybrids. In fact, more expensive for certain use-cases. This backs up what was said at the beginning, right off the bat, that in effect using a power drill to hammer-in a nail, was not a productive use of tools (! I paraphrase). Pause while I imagine Tom doing this…ok, so what I can say for sure is, the most common thought to go through my head while gingerly coaxing my gen 3 to do this particular route home I have, where I can make it 2 miles on EV alone (lots of downhill, but mixed, you’d still have to use gasoline if it wasn’t a hybrid), that thought is ‘if only it had a slightly bigger battery’. I have tumbled around in my mind how much of a bigger battery and concluded that the outer limit would be 4 x the present size, therefore winding back, we get to 2x or 3x - for a ‘normal’ hybrid. And that’s the trouble. As soon as you spec the hybrid, with a 5kWh battery or so, it starts to scream out ‘Can’t you give me the feature to charge directly from residential electrical outlets?’ The whole hybrid schtick is the juggling, which any hybrid driver will be familiar with, the vehicle has to do between the ICE engine and the EV battery. The more I think about this, the bigger I think the issue is of creating the ‘thinking’ or algorithm, to deal with this. I used to do a bit of programming, and this is why I never do it any more - haha. Drove me nuts, I had to have it perfect, and it never is. But it has given me a little insight into what hybrid makers like Toyota have had to do - and essentially it’s this: it’s a rubber ball in a tube. At one end, is fully empty battery, at the other is fully charged battery. However, for good reasons to do with battery longevity and also keeping the ICE warm (you couldn’t miss writing that, come on!), Toyota et al, make sure the rubber ball never gets to either end of the tube. So their algorithm essentially, mimics you having this tube, say 3 feet long, with a rubber ball inside, and you see-saw all day long. You drop one end a half-inch and the ball rolls toward full battery…then before it reaches this, you go ‘woh!’ and see-saw it back towards empty battery…but almost as soon as you’ve done that, the ball almost reaches the ‘empty’ end of the tube. And so you see-saw all day long, and sometimes the ball does hit one end or the other, as long as it’s nit often that’s fine… …and the analogy can be continued…the bigger the battery in your hybrid/PHEV, the longer that tube is in effect. You can be in the mode of heading for fully discharged, for a lot longer, and indeed tip that tube more, make the ball run faster. You then dutifully tip the tube back before it reaches the ‘fully discharged’ end, and you’ve got longer to go that way too. But, bear in mind, every long run down to the ‘fully charged’ end, is your car having to be braked, or find a nice hill to regen-brake down, and a bigger battery means a longer time working on filling it up. But, there is the reward of course, in that you can go ages, discharging ie electric-only drive. This is what their software has to manage, this flip-flopping or see-sawing from the mode of charging-up, to the mode of discharging, all day long. I realised, with my analogy, the bigger the battery, the more this effort can go kinda wrong. They don’t know what topography you have where you live or maybe even what route you are taking. [Asterisk here - this was covered of course by Tom later in the vid]. So their poor algorithm cannot even say ‘hey, there’s a great downhill coming soon, I can expend ALL my energy in helping get up this side of the hill, because I know there’s a big recharge section coming up, I can tailor this to expend most of the battery energy, just about the hill’s peak’. Making the hybrid a PHEV means there’s a sigh of relief - now, the job is simply to make sure you use all the electric if possible, before starting the gasoline engine. Or, make like a ‘normal’ hybrid if that’s the mode chosen by the driver (this is my understanding, you have these options). So it’s an EV that drags a gas engine around all day, or a gasoline car that drags a big battery and powerful electric motor all day, or just a ‘normal’ hybrid. It does make enormous sense, if you have your own power station ie solar panels or a wind turbine, as anyone watching this video probably knows. The issue is, who’s able to capitalise on this particular concept? If you are pretty affluent, you would have to be nuts (imho) not to be rigged up with at least some solar panels etc, for your home. But then, that’s offsetting your home electric bill possibly not generating enough to charge this PHEV car, extra? Didn’t mean to ramble - too late IKR - but will end my view by saying this is where transition phases place everyone. Back when a car was a new thing, you’d have been mad to buy one if you already had a stable, 4 horses, and a carriage. One was noisy and smelly, the other one not. One worked with refuelling en route anywhere there’s a grass verge (!), the other needed special smelly flammable liquid, and was an actual ‘contraption’ really. Probably less reliable than a horse. But once motor cars became widespread, it became the case that having a horse and carriage was the problem way to go. Fewer blacksmiths. Harder roads. Vet bills. Feed bills, etc. Anyway, I bought the exact type of vehicle I could make best use of - it has boatloads of wasted heat energy, suiting my northern climate where we are (Northern England), and a small battery so it’s not hugely expensive to mend or replace. It also happens to be free of our UK ‘road tax’ by a quirk of the taxation at the time (now no longer), although our insurance for motor vehicles in the UK has just about DOUBLED for whatever reason, in the last 12 months. Thereby, handing every penny of my ‘saved’ tax money, over to the insurance company. Ah well. I told my MP (our congress reps) I’d vote for whoever halves fuel taxation. They seemed horrified. But having a hybrid, doesn’t make you immune from ridiculous gasoline prices, it literally rolls them simply down to what they were two years ago, or put another way, still way above what drivers in the US pay. Good review though, thanks. Take care all.
@TomLawlor-iq6gm
@TomLawlor-iq6gm 15 күн бұрын
So, what are you paying for fuel in The UK. I should know as we were there in April.
@annasoming
@annasoming 8 ай бұрын
I would have gotten one. Until I got what the markups would be. even after months of searching, the markup cost wouldn't be made back in savings for gas. even in california's silicon valley with gas at almost 6/gal. I work within 16 miles of home so it would have been great. but still wouldn't have made up that markup plus the normal cost. Would have loved it. I also do every weekend drive away for fun which then uses gas.
@grahamstefaan
@grahamstefaan 8 ай бұрын
Get a used Leaf if you're only driving 16 miles. $5000.
@annasoming
@annasoming 8 ай бұрын
@@grahamstefaan I'm with Tom on this one where phev has an amazing fit for people like me. Its too bad they just don't produce enough of them. electric to work and back, then long drives on a combination. Just also too bad the huge markup - as much as 10K right now.
@grahamstefaan
@grahamstefaan 8 ай бұрын
@@annasoming tesla supercharging is amazing. You can road trip. Maybe you're old.
@menguardingtheirownwallets6791
@menguardingtheirownwallets6791 8 ай бұрын
I went to Aurora Toyota, here in Ontario, Canada, and I asked what is the wait time for a Prius Prime? He replied that due to the extremely high demand, the wait time is anywhere from 3.5 years to 4 years. My jaw dropped and hit the floor when he said that !!! 4 years ?!?!
@Zripas
@Zripas 8 ай бұрын
extremely low production rates, doesn't mean that car is actually really popular, it only means that there are few times more people who wants one than there is production lines for it.
@DrivenCarReviews
@DrivenCarReviews 7 ай бұрын
At the event that I attended a few months back, Toyota said they were bringing 10,000 to the US in 2023, 15,000 in 2024. Personally, I think that is far too low but again, it’s one of the complaints I have about Toyota’s stance on EVs versus hybrids. They just don’t make enough of the hybrids.
@jonahbert111
@jonahbert111 7 ай бұрын
i am buying a 07 Prius with only 25k on it today. NOT for $60k, LOL. It is like new, and @6'1", I am not even interested in this new model. Very good review. Thank you very much.
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