Tesla Model Y vs Model 3 LFP Battery Degradation after 43,000 Miles

A common question about Tesla's is how much has the battery degraded and in this video I give you my best possible answer with a Model Y Long Range and a standard range Model 3.
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[@RamjetX]

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[@Juuythljgrrdwq]

He is in for the money for sure

[@Privat1495]

😂😂

[@mrzipdisk]

He should take a vow of poverty and review teslas pro bono with money from fairy dust and rainbows.

[@7rixee]

But the transition was seamless ❤😂

[@1492cruise]

100% of that comment was a waste of time

[@Charlesbjtown]

I hate these stupid ads with a passion. Having KZbin premium, used to be a good workaround. But now these people just do the ad themselves. Good thing we are able to fast forward.

[@loganrossignol]

I have somewhat similar degredation on my 2018 LR RWD Model 3, around the same miles too. It actually improved a bit after doing some longer road trips and changing up the charging %. Now I'm at ~10% degredation again

[@Tron-Jockey]

A little less range is OK considering how much they have to begin with. The new LFP chemistries will largely remove the environmental drawbacks. They will easily last twice as long (virtually guaranteeing the battery packs will now outlast the vehicles they are installed in), are much safer and without nickel and cobalt will greatly reduce the environmental impacts.

[@freddybell8328]

Plus no or less slavery involved

[@kutrix2010]

And RWD with LFP proofs to be approx 10% more efficient than LR AWD, narrowing the range gap to virtually none in everyday use.

[@rickosher2185]

To find the real battery degradation lick the terminals of the tesla and that will likely tell you

[@Gjeebs]

Ahhhh thank you

[@Pennychaser1]

Can you elaborate how to get there?

[@crazydrifter13]

@@Pennychaser1 hammer away

[@JorJorBinks123]

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[@crazydrifter13]

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[@brandonlee93]

Bought my M3 pre-owned last February and it had 28k miles. 100% charge showed 294 miles. Currently shows 50k miles. 100% charge is now showing 277 miles. Brand new it was rated at 322 miles. Damn. From Feb to June I drove 200 miles round trip to and from work 3 days a week. I tried recovering some range by depleting the battery to 10% and then charging to 100%…had zero effect.

[@Tron-Jockey]

The new LFP chemistries will significantly slow the rate of capacity loss while greatly reducing the environmental drawbacks. They will easily last twice as long (virtually guaranteeing the battery packs will now outlast the vehicles they are installed in), are much safer and, without nickel and cobalt, will greatly reduce the environmental impacts. I see the new LFP batteries as a big win for the industry. This is especially true for CATL's new LFP (M3P) chemistry which increases its energy density to nearly 230 Wh/kg. That's nearly identical to the best NCA and NMC chemistries.

[@Cjdergrosse]

Eh that brand new number is BS, and I had a 2020 Model 3 Performance 53k miles before I sold it to carmax this past August (woo way over compensated!). That mileage meter was never ever accurate. Biggest flaw with the car, I could never rely on it accurately. My current Rivian is pretty dead on, can't understand why Tesla can't swallow their pride, and put in an ACCURATE mileage meter?? Mine too was rated for 310 miles EPA, but the 20" wheels, and driving normally, I'd get maybe ~260miles. And that was from the beginning. Don't worry about it, enjoy it, and dump it before your battery warranty is up if you're concerned about it. Also I would set your daily charge rate to 75-80%. I set mine to 90% since new, and found out from Tesla techs that is not recommended anymore, and it should be 80% (or less).

[@brandonlee93]

@@Cjdergrosse Yep, I don’t charge it to 100% hardly ever. Only when the temps are in the single digits and I need to drive out of town. Usually do 90% (Elon said 90% should be ok) but have been doing 80% lately on my days off. I honestly don’t worry about it. I’m having fun. And you’re correct, I was planning on trading it in before the battery warranty is up.

[@0hypnotoad0]

Having a reduced estimated range is typically not from degradation. All EVs (including Teslas) predict range based on a combination battery capacity, your driving efficiency history, and outside temperature. Chances are your recorded driving efficiency or the weather is having a larger impact on the guess-o-meter.

[@maestroRodskjaer]

I Supercharge my MS P85 from 2014 three times a week, and done so for 8 years. Almost never charge at home. My degradation is at 9.9%. I usually charge to 80% and never keep my car less than 10%. So Supercharger doesn't do any harm to the battery is my experience. But what could harm is charging to full often on a lithium ion batteries. Haven't tried LFP before, but I'll get it in my new Xpeng G9 later this year.

[@lgze4892]

Hey always enjoy your videos.. I have a June 2021 Model YLR with 49K miles. (I drive a lot) according to the Tessie App, battery health is 90.7% degradation of 9.3%.. thing of note, I don’t have home charging so I mostly supercharge.

[@Gjeebs]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing

[@cryptoslacker-464]

Maybe super charging is better for your battery 🔋 lol.

[@kmancrx]

​@@cryptoslacker-464 I think there was a study about how rapid charging may reduce dendrite formation. YMMV ⚡🍻

[@Cjdergrosse]

That slight benefit won't outweigh how much damage fast charging does to stress out the battery. If you notice the chevy bolts are experiencing much less degradation than Tesla's. I believe it comes down to how pitifully slow the Bolt DC charges (50kW). This is extending its' life. I only fast charge when on a road trip, and only enough to stay in the 20-70% range on that journey. I add enough + small safety buffer for climate and that's it. I'm on my 3rd EV and really stress to people who just get EVs to just use them as emergency refill stations, don't use them alternatively to charging at home/work on a AC charger.

[@Kristoffer_]

Looking at the screen is not a degradation test

[@basic2355]

Y’all crazy!! Use voice command in Tesla “show me battery degradation” and you will get the chart 😂

[@conorpp1]

LFP batteries do suffer from degradation from being charged to 100% just like all other Tesla batteries. The reason that Tesla ask owners to do this is because the power discharge curve of LFP batteries is different from Li batteries. Tesla software require a full charge of a LFP battery in order to calibrate the software to accurately estimate the range. Without this calibration, the sofware might tell you that you have 100 miles left when in reality, you might only have 20 mile range left. However, LFP batteries tend to have a longer life than Li batteries, so the degradation of charging to 100% is less of an issue.

[@deletedsmith655]

My model Y performance is down to a max range of 269 miles if I went to 100% charge. I charge to 80% or 90% at home. 13k on the clock and its 1.5 years into a 3 year lease. Glad I leased is all I can say. I don't care how anyone try's to justify it, as a paying customer the fact I lost 30 miles is not making me happy. Sometimes you just need range and the fact I am losing range is unacceptable. I look forward to better tech as battery's change chemistry and EV's evolve. I wont buy another EV unless it gets over 400 miles usable range. When I run the highway I have to stop and charge around 220-230 miles into the trip. Driving at 80 ( you need to where I live or a semi will run you over ) just kills the battery too fast. Turn on the headlights at night or run the AC pulls the battery down faster too. So after living with this car I must say I love it for an around town car. For a highway car I love it less but that is because it needs to hold more power. It's faster than my 2015 Stingray and pulls so hard at launch it smokes almost every car out there unless its another performance EV. Thanks for sharing your thoughts in the video. I thought it was very helpful.

[@0hypnotoad0]

The range that is indicated on the dash is an estimate derived from your driving efficiency + outside temperature, it's not from battery degradation. You didn't "lose" range, you just never had that range to begin with - the car has an overly optimistic efficiency estimate baked into it from the factory. As you drive over the months and years, the car records your lifetime average efficiency and starts to use that to calibrate the range estimate. Cars, EV, or ICE cannot make an accurate prediction of what your efficiency will be because they don't know how you drive or what road conditions you drive in, that said Teslas default setting is usually too optimistic. InsideEVs does extensive range testing on a lot of cars, and they rated the Model Y performance at 279 miles of "real world" range, not far off from your mark.

[@davidroberts5600]

Tesla recommends charging to 100% occasionally for calibration because the charge curve is so flat. Charging to 100% is not good for an LFP battery. Short charging cycles near 100, e.g 80-100, is the worst thing you can do for LFP. It's better to drain the battery further. There is a recent study that clarified this. The bigger question is. What is the impact of charging suboptimaly. I don't have the answer.

[@rkgsd]

The most recent recommendations for LFP charging have changed dramatically. Too bad it means a lot of people have lower battery health already because they were told 100% charge whether you are driving regularly or not.

[@MrSpiritmike]

Gjeebs I have the M3RWD LFP and I charge everyday to 100%. I think I actually saw more range loss when I was charging to 85% but it could be my imagination. I can't tell you how many people advise me not to charge to 100% but they don't have an LFP. What's your honest opinion, is it safe to charge an LFP to 100% everyday? I bought it brand new 14 months ago, range was 272 miles, 17,277 miles now and my current range is 263 miles. 3.3% loss. Any feedback?

[@laloajuria4678]

3:10 lifecycle increase is just from chemistry. voltage doesnt play a role.

[@ibsn87]

Brand new it had 253 miles range…. Since when did anyone base degradation from a range estimate? That’s like benchmarking a new ICE car off the stated fuel economy. Cars never meet their initial purchase estimates once you get into real world driving.

[@GameOver556]

My old SR+ on NCA batteries had lost 4.5% after 2 years and 3 5000 miles. Pretty happy with that. Hope my present longrange will be in the same range of degradation

[@frankescobar5802]

Good Morning. I bought a used 2023 model y performance with 4K miles on it 2 months ago. I charged it to 100% last night for the first time and it charged to 284 miles vs. The 306 EPA estimate. I have been driving it like an old man. Should i be concerned and ask for service or is this normal?

[@andersstengaardjensen2208]

How can you know which battery your Tesla has? I just bought a special configuration that’s maybe a bit unusual: a TM3 - but with RWD and Long range - so it’s listed at 620 km range - so.. it’s a base verdion model 3 - or is it? RWD speaks to LFP - but long range speaks to Lithium…. So what’s in the new car I’m picking up today?

[@tooltalk]

Long Range = NCM. LFP due to its lower energy density and weight is mostly limited to base-level, low-range EVs.

[@parkermark]

Li batteries tend to be best kept below 80% and above 20%… so for your model Y, I would drop your charging to 80% max unless you have a long commute or trip planned. LFP is correct- they prefer 100% charge.

[@HermanWillems]

LFP is also a lithium battery it also prefers under 80%. For maximum preference its around 40% for lithium batteries. The 100%, charge for LFP is false. It's just they want u to do it once in a while to calibrate the BMS. Because LFP has a narrower voltage band. But its BEST for the LFP to charge it to 80%, aswell and then sometimes to 100% charge for a re-calibration of the BMS.

[@MrBwSBwS]

@@HermanWillems Agreed on not leaving it at 100%. You can and it'll be hurt less by it, but why do so when it isn't needed. Disagree on it being best at 80%. That's a recommendation on Tesla's NCA batteries because the voltage curve is much more linear and it's a compromise between minimizing degradation and giving you a useable range. The voltage curve on LFP is near flat between ~15% to ~95%. If the voltage differential is so slight the BMS can't even distinguish the state of charge my assumption is anything within that range amounts to a hill of beans for degradation. I charge to 100% once per week and 90% all other days.

[@davidroberts5600]

This is incorrect. LFP prefers low state of charge. Charging to 100% is not healthy but needed for the slight voltage bump at the top that helps with range calibration. There is a very recent study from the same guy Tesla had been consulting with in this.

[@sesamesprinkles]

So you still have about 60,000 to degrade the battery low enough to get it replaced thru warranty right? 👀

[@ro4056]

Hmm question.. so say u charge to 90% and drive all day and your battery is at 75% by the end of the day.. Do you still plug at night??

[@chidorirasenganz]

yep

[@chadwickwood9843]

Please, more ads. If the majority of your video time is not in an ad, you are doing it wrong.

[@dennispiche3086]

Hey Bud - did you happen to pre-tape this? I think I saw your Y in Michigan... or maybe a copy cat. Pink Y on i75 near Detroit.

[@Gjeebs]

Wasn’t me!

[@gabornagy3888]

Looks like the Y’s battery is getting along better than that of the 3’s, isn’t it?

[@karatohongkongcat]

I usually charge to 70% when I charge at home, and I charge up every 4th day, not everyday. I let it get to about 27-30% and it takes 4 days. I’ve been on one long trip and charged at 100% ., first time ever since I’ve had my MYP 2022.

[@Deknorge]

As a electrician I would say fast and hard discharges which come from hard acceleration distress the batteries. And fast charging also not good. I’ve seen so many model s performance had defect cells it must be why. And so many Nissan leaf still use their original battery because they are sluggish, no hard discharge and charging .

[@nelsonpun]

very surprised losing 14 percent at 40k.

[@marcoquedevez1851]

Hey Gjeebs , nice video dude ,hello from Brazil

[@Gjeebs]

Thank you!

[@puddlejumper360]

I got a 2022 MYP 9k miles and only showing 280 miles on 100%. I see a lot of other owners in the 290+ miles. Should i be concerned?

[@Gjeebs]

I don't think just give it some time. I've read around 15k miles is when it levels.

[@laloajuria4678]

only become concerned if

[@Socalii89]

There was like 10 ads in this video

[@ΣτέφανοςΚόκκαλης-τ1ν]

How many charge cycles for the batteries before the 10%? Thank you

[@guerro327]

How is the battery degradation on your car?

[@choongta]

9:55, right now set to 85%: Isn't 100% all the time (or at least once a week) the suggested setting for LFP ?

[@tnutss]

In terms of charge time is the LFP faster vs ncm to 100%

[@mamus4]

Thats terrible 43, 000 miles and you already have 13.8% degradation at 100K miles you will probably see 27% degradation . Tesla knows most batteries will degrade under 30% hence the crappy warranty.

[@Gjeebs]

that's not how degradation works and their warranty on the battery is the best out there

[@mamus4]

@@Gjeebs Who cares if its the best warranty , question is who wants to live with 40% battery degradation at year 9

[@bad50]

@@mamus4 battery degradation doesnt work that way. it slows way down after the first 25-50k miles. my model y new was 330 miles, after 50k miles I still have 312 miles @ 100% charge. some of the degradation is not true degradation, it is just the software that needs to be recalculated from a few trips of charging to 100 and going down to close to 0%. I dont worry about what the computer guestimate shows since its not the true degradation. Basically 5.5% degradation over 50k miles and actually probably less since i havent recalibrated my software in probably 20k miles. at 100K miles I would probably be at 8 or 9% max, but I will never know since my model Y was tolaled about a week ago. ;(.......

[@jm31828]

@@mamus4 Exactly, that would render the car rather useless for some people. Many of us do drive rather long distances several times per month, and it would be a big hindrance to lose more than say, 10% while owning the car.

[@gao57009]

How does the Tessie App acquire data from your specific vehicle?

[@ronfladell5648]

How does those sun shade been working for Andrew..I live in Phoenix and was wondering if it helps keep some on the heat out of the car?

[@myerspaulsen]

I got one of these for my Model Y in a similar climate as y’all, and its a huge help! Could tell the difference instantly.

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

So, if you drive >20k miles for 10 years, you would have more than 50% degradation. At that time would Tesla be able to do a battery replacement, and what would it cost?

[@chidorirasenganz]

No one knows as battery prices will be much lower then

[@andriysunford2249]

No, because 8 years max

[@warrenleerivera3788]

You never added the link for the badges

[@Gjeebs]

What badges?

[@ntljr]

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[@tideloohamar3727]

This video could’ve literally been summarized in a tweet

[@warfox]

I suggest changing it to max 80% when driving around and 90/100% when taking roadtrip.

[@Gjeebs]

Do you have any explanation as to why?

[@warfox]

@@Gjeebs with the charge of 80% it will put less stress on the battery. Even tho tesla recommended around 90-95% charge. Best result to prevent more degradation is to limit the charge to atleast 80%.. unless you have lfp battery you can charge upto 90% daily and full 100% charge once a week. If you want to know furthere there are tons of videos on battery especially tesla's

[@Gjeebs]

@@warfox Thanks for the explanation !

[@kennethmoerscher6680]

I go one step further ... I have my Model Y set to charge at 28 amps (not the max of 40 from my wall connector) to further reduce heat in the battery AND reduce heat and stress in the main power panel in my house. The reduction to 28 amps still provides about 26 miles per hour recharge, which will completely recharge the battery in an overnight session.

[@warfox]

@@kennethmoerscher6680 agreed unless you're going ona road trip pumping more amps to the battery is unesscary in my opinion. Getting 20-25miles overnight it's more then enough when you have a limit at 80%.

[@4ppz]

cant believe he has 17k miles already didnt he get that car less than a year ago? lol

[@Gjeebs]

Yep!

[@chadwickwood9843]

I picked up my model y Feb 2. Just about to hit 14k. We drive the shit out of it

[@Jedichikin]

Great video! @gjeebs, what part of arizona are you in? I am in Flagstaff for work! Great city.

[@Gjeebs]

Thanks! Flagstaff is awesome. I am in Phoenix

[@bradh6185]

Does the LFP use roughly the same amount of electricity to charge it? So I figured it up, and a Model 3 with a traditional battery should add $65/month to my electric bill with my mileage and local rate. Can I expect the same with LFP?

[@Gjeebs]

You’re only going to be charged for what you use

[@dcheard2]

Wouldn't be any different if you charged your phone with the same amount of electricity. 10 kwh is 10 kwh

[@bradh6185]

@@dcheard2 Now lets compare two phones. The same amount of electricity will charge each equally. But on one of the phones, the battery runs down faster for the same usage. So that phone will cost more to operate. Or- what if you have two different kinds of batteries. One of them requires more electricity to be fully charged. So in a car, even if these two batteries provided the same range, one would be more expensive to operate.

[@dcheard2]

@@bradh6185 then you're asking the wrong question. You should be asking “is it more efficient” or “what is the operational expense” NOT “does it take the same amount to charge”. A 50-kWh battery is 50 kWh.. hard stop. They both take the EXACT same amount to charge. Now if you’re asking do you get more mileage, it comes down to how efficient and/or how energy dense they are. “the battery runs down faster for the same usage” - if they are the EXACT same battery in the EXACT same hardware/software and EXACT same usage, the variation won't be statically significant, I assure you. if it is, then you have a faulty battery or hardware/software. “if you have two different kinds of batteries” - bad question because this is apples to oranges. Of course, a 100 kWh battery will have more range than a 20 kWh battery regardless of the type. Now to answer your operational expense question.... "LiFePO4 is the better choice in all factors that matter. With these batteries, you get better performance, better value for money, and a considerably longer lifespan." ecotreelithium.co.uk/news/lifepo4-vs-lithium-ion-batteries/

[@westondaniel]

My 2021 Model Y battery capacity retention is at 84%.

[@VivekMishrathetraveller]

How much miles model 3 shows when 100% battery? My 2022 model 3 RWD shows 267 miles. When it was new, it shows I can charge up to 277 miles. My car is 2.5 months old.

[@keepcool67]

The car shows 244 miles rated range at 100%

[@AntrellFuller]

It changes based on your driving habits!

[@epcalderhead]

@@AntrellFuller No, it does not. The Tesla does not have a Guess-O-Meter like a Leaf or Bolt. The range shown can fluctuate a bit due to the battery temperature or the BMS's guess of the battery capacity, but it does not matter if you drive fast or slow as to the rated range shown at a particular state charge. HOW you drive can effect range, but not the estimated range shown by the car.

[@Rafa-qv8si]

I believe that its degradation was high due to you charging it every night and always keeping your battery close to 90%. 

[@mamus4]

Imagine buying an ICE car and manufacturer claims fuel economy will degrade 30% after 7 years

[@maestroRodskjaer]

Imagine buying an ICE car and manufacturer claims free fuel will enter the tank every time you break or let foot off the gas pedal... 😉

[@hayden8693]

Wow lfp is way better

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[@avpilot]

Did Andrew turn his airbag into a claymore?

[@Gjeebs]

I was in tears laughing about this. Had no clue what that was

[@mgdubya27]

Was about to make the same comment.

[@BS-qu5wy]

this video could have been 5 minutes long. i love tiktok

[@GM-qh2ki]

Scan My Tesla!

[@Nobody_Famous]

Must only be a bjorn nyland thing

[@nowdeconstructed]

Is that correct?… I thought the standard range plus (253 range) did not have the LFP. The newer RWD has the LFP with 272 mile range).

[@1flash3571]

They started using LFP batteries about year ago after Shanghai Giga was built. They needed to do that due to shortage of 2170's. I think it was planned for them to use the LFP batteries.

[@nowdeconstructed]

@@1flash3571 thanks, I did more research and there was a period where the first LFP got the 253 range then Tesla renamed it to the Rear Wheel Drive and slowed the 0 to 60 and upped the range. Thanks for your reply.

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@nowdeconstructed Thats exactly what happened. I got one last year.

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[@Gjeebs]

@@BIGHAMZA You got it! Thanks for reminding me it wasn't there haha

[@BIGHAMZA]

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[@Keifer-D]

My model 3 sr+ 2021 comes with lumbar support

[@Keifer-D]

It’s a round button by the seat controls that works like a joystick. In and out, up and down

[@Gjeebs]

Yea they have it on the driver seat in all teslas but recently removed it from the passenger seat

[@Keifer-D]

@@Gjeebs oh. My passenger side has it too. That sucks the removed it!

[@Gjeebs]

@@Keifer-D Yep! That's awesome you still have it. I have it on my 2020 model y as well but don't have a heated steering wheel

[@freddybell8328]

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[@MrFullback100]

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[@bad50]

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[@hunterewbank7764]

hi gjeebs

[@Gjeebs]

Hi

[@laloajuria4678]

just nit pick: battery warranty is 100K miles or 8 yrs.

[@teslageek9257]

Nope. 120k miles. At least my ‘21 M3 LR

[@laloajuria4678]

Not for all Teslas (hint, mine).

[@yanxun1306]

Just to clarify to all. Tesla never replaces with “brand new” battery. It is always refurbished. Even if under warranty. So don’t get too excited that you have x years or zyx KM/Miles under warranty… Make sure to Take good care of your original battery.

[@Chabooli]

More Cowbell 😂

[@pkerry12]

Why do u Americans travel so much with a car? Have u not heard of working from home and living close to work? It just amazes me how many kilometers u guys do.

[@bad50]

I would say a lot of miles are for pleasure, vacations, weekend trips etc. How do you enjoy staying at home all the time and never going out more than a few miles from home. How do you work from home if you are an electrician, home builder, plumber, hvac repair, landscaper etc? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@pkerry12]

@@bad50 when i go on holiday I do what every Australian does. USE A PLANE! No one cares about tradies lol

[@jm31828]

@@bad50 Exactly.... my family's example living in the US Pacific Northwest is that sure, we don't drive much during the week other than the usual errands locally or going to work.... but on weekends we are getting in the car and driving long distances to go sightseeing, to go hiking, etc. Our highways get quite busy on Saturdays as everyone is going long distances to the coast, to the mountains, even to nearby states for kayaking, hiking, etc.

[@bad50]

@@pkerry12 No one cares about trades??? Your ignorance is impressive. I bet you would care if the trades quit going to work. When the electric goes off and no one there to repair, or hvac goes out, or roof needs replaced etc.

[@pkerry12]

@@bad50 well if u ever lived in Australia no one actually cares about trades thats why there is a lack of tradies, so your ignorant American mind just makes me laugh

[@super_tomtendo]

This is what is a huge problem about EV's. Battery degradation. Btw, mining lithium for these batteries are 10x worse for environment than an ICE car. I'm all for EV, but the tech just is quite there yet.

[@Gjeebs]

Yea the upfront costs to the environment are much worse from an EV but over time an EV is much better for our air. I really don't know what the answer is unless we walk or use bikes and mass public transport but nobody wants to do that because we are all pigs

[@super_tomtendo]

@@Gjeebs it’s much worse than that. And also, we’re forgetting disposing of the batteries. We need to just build more efficient ICE cars and stop forcing this EV stuff so hard. Again, I’m all for EVs but it’s NOT the only solution we keep making it out to be. Idk why car companies are saying they’ll stop making ICE by 20XX. Makes no sense. Or how California says no more sales of ICE in 2030 or something. That only hurts people, such as low income. Not to mention you can’t just come up with arbitrary dates. Technology will advance when technology is ready.

[@GT-22]

I plan to keep the EV I buy for longer than the usual 3-5 years so that also adds to the benefit as there won't be as much wastage on a raw material point of view. Plus the newest battery packs are 100% recyclable which makes a huge change for future production too. Also add the removal of immediate exhaust gases from our lives. There is a lot of positives for EV despite the initial environmental cost. The long term shows them to be much much cleaner.

[@chidorirasenganz]

Battery degradation isn’t an issue as worst case senareio there’s only 10% loss with non LFP batteries after 100k miles. LFP batteries dont contain cobalt and will only see around 2% after the same mileage. Not including tailpipe emissions, EVs are better for the environment after about 18 months. Also keep in mind lithium is only 5% of a battery so even a small amount goes a long way.

[@super_tomtendo]

@@chidorirasenganz where does the power to charge an EV come from? 😂

[@AntrellFuller]

First 💙

[@theanonymousone9668]

The absolute BEST way to measure battery degradation is thru a long, super complicated mathematical formula known as....LEASING🤣. So blah blah blah @ this video. Why even worry about all that crap? Drive the damn car like you want to. Charge the damn car like you want to. Cuz in 3 years the sh*it is go8ng back to the dealer🤣. Who the hell purchases an EV anyway????

[@richardrolson2713]

Because in three years some would put 60k miles on car

[@MrDomestosWC]

Because people who first leased their Teslas say 3-4yrs ago regret it as hell. They now have to return their cars while the new ones cost $20-40k more. No buy out option at the end of the lease. This applies to every model by Tesla. My buddy was in that situation with his m3, he had to cough up extra $20k after 4 yrs to buy another one after his lease was done. This time he decided to buy out right. Other people who bought their m3s 3-4 ys ago sold them for pretty much the same they bought them for. Sorry man but your advise makes no sense whatsoever.

[@theanonymousone9668]

@@MrDomestosWC I want to drive NEW every 3 years.i don't want to be bogged down with out-of-pocket maintenance expenses and I want the latest technology....period Life is short. Keep things fresh.

[@obelisk9999]

@@theanonymousone9668 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks like that!!!! Have never owned a car for more than 4 years.. yes life too short to worry about shit like that. Just buy it, drive it, enjoy it.. repeat!

[@cazu2479]

@@theanonymousone9668 exactly

[@mamus4]

EV is a scam . EV wastes energy 24/7 by constantly conditioning the battery packs. According to the study, AEG or the Anderson Economic Group mid-priced Internal Combustion Engine car drivers paid roughly $11.29 to go 100 miles. EV owners on the other hand paid about $11.60 to go the same distance. Additionally, the cost for EV owners who have to charge somewhere other than their home goes up by about $3. That’s a notable difference considering all of the fanfare surrounding how much cheaper it is to drive an EV. Keep in mind that currently EV veicles cost 2X when compared to their counterparts. EV makes no sense in the current environment.

[@exil3dlivecom]

I'm waiting for solid state batteries. I'm not buying these batteries. I'll stick to ICE

[@NzKorViet_Family]

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