Tesla Plans For Early Hardware 4 Retrofit on All Vehicles

Tesla Plans For Early Hardware 4 Retrofit on All Vehicles | This is Great News

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@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

While we’re comparing the differences and capabilities between HW3 and HW4, let’s not forget about the next generation hardware suite that’s coming soon and much more powerful kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGqXcoyeeLWMpK8

@lashlarue59 Ай бұрын

John don't forget the FSD computer is really 2 CPU's. One CPU runs the software and the other CPU was a backup in case the first one failed. In order to get later versions of FSD to work on HW3 cars they had to start using BOTH CPUs to run the FSD software in HW3 cars, so Tesla may already be violating the safety protocols by not having a backup CPU on the HW3 cars anymore. I wonder if the whole backup CPU thing a federal law or if it's just an internal safety thing?

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

@lashlarue59 yup that’s something we haven’t forgotten, the 2nd should be left as a redundancy node

@lashlarue59 Ай бұрын

@@heyJohnEe I wonder if that redundancy is a federal requirement or an internal company requirement? If it's an actual law that may explain why Tesla is suddenly doing the upgrade because just a few months ago they were saying there would be no hardware upgrades. Tesla may be getting forced to do this no matter what.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

@lashlarue59 not necessarily a law, but NHTSA and numerous regulators abroad will thoroughly test the system and won’t approval it on roads without redundant systems in place before L3 and above

@martincday007 Ай бұрын

This is Musk letting those with HW3 down slowly. It is now official HW3 is considered obsolete. The sweetener to avoid mass protest is that there will be a HW4 retrofit available for HW3 owners, but will there? Rarely is it feasible to hardware update old technology, there are often just too many gotchas. Over the next year, it will dawn on HW3 owners that their vehicles will not be compatible with the FSD releases. Musk will be hoping that HW3 Tesla owners will be thinking it time for an upgrade anyway, so less and less people to protest. The question most Tesla owners may want to ask is by the time FSD is fully autonomous will even those with HW4 find that their system is also obsolete.

@sparkpaul Ай бұрын

I don’t get what you are saying.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Fair points, but I think it’s in Tesla’s best interest to get millions of cars on the ride-hailing network bringing them additional revenue, not to mention the amount of money they make for FSD subscriptions and purchases. There’s some drive for a retrofit if you ask me

@tafl-9198 Ай бұрын

I agree. We are talking A LOT of HW3 computer replacements. I dont think it will happen.

@martincday007 Ай бұрын

@@tafl-9198 Even if it was technically feasible to do so, which it is probably not, the cost to retrofit a Tesla's HW3 with HW4 is just not going to be economically feasible. Any suggestion that it will be a free install is at best wishful thinking but in reality a lie. A replacement HW3 unit alone is some $2,000, the HW4 unit has to cost more. With labour on top. Think. Is Tesla really going to underwrite $5,000+ free upgrades in order to honour a commitment, or would it rather take the reputational hit and instead "offer" a substantial discount to HW3 owners to buy a new vehicle? Replacing HW3 unit with a HW4 unit without upgrading the cameras would be like wearing old shoes with a new suit. How long before HW4 itself is obsolete, two, three years?

@lor8ancg Ай бұрын

@@martincday007 i'm inclined to agree but replacement should be to HW5 car and then FSD license is free to come over and sold HW3 car not eligible but the question is how much inducement..as the alternative is class action which will be cost of FSD and then punitive damages..Musk being a puffer vs. wall street is one thing but his puffing and lies will haunt him vs. main street...people should understand that as a legally branded "puffer" Musk may think he can say anything without accountability. I wonder if that case was settled in Texas in front of that junkjudge who adjudicates Tesla while owning and trading Tesla shares...what a corrupt legal system

@me_1340 Ай бұрын

Mine doesn’t say if the computer is 3 or 4

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

You need to be on the latest software update to see it

@DanFrederiksen Ай бұрын

It might be tricky to update HW3 cars to HW4 and HW4 wont be the last anyway. HW3 can be made to fully functional although it would still be unfit for taxi operation, same with HW4. He should just stop making promises he can't keep like taxi operation by HW3 cars

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

In this situation I think it’s best to upgrade all vehicles to HW5 if possible 😅

@lashlarue59 Ай бұрын

Speaking of funny FSD stuff. Today I was using FSD to drive down a street where it never had a problem before when it suddenly did the old phantom braking on me. Nothing in front, nothing behind, it just locked it up. Kept driving a few more miles where I came to an intersection that was not a normal 90 degree intersection it was more like the cross street was at a 45 degree angle which meant the car could see the traffic lights of the cross street as well as the light directly ahead of it. Anyhow I'm sitting at the red light but the car detects the cross street light turning green and it tried to run the red light. If I hadn't stopped it, it would have run that light, luckily there was no one there. These influencer videos run for HOURS in LA, SF, Miami etc. and they never have these problems. In my opinion those routes must be is has be staged in some manner.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve experienced once or twice phantom breaks through an intersection, hopefully this gets resolved soon

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

For those doubting that this is already in the works, Tesla wouldn't allow Elon to promise such a retrofit if they haven't already designed and tested to make sure its possible

@KP-xi4bj Ай бұрын

I'm not too keen on Tesla ripping apart my car to replace hardware 3 with hardware 4.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Likely won’t happen, it’ll cost too much labor. They’ll try to keep it as minimal as possible so we might see a board swap with connectors compatible with the current wiring harnesses or at least that’s what I’m hoping

@Carbonatedballsack Ай бұрын

Tesla offered an upgrade from 2 or 2.5 to hw3, and that was just a computer replacement. Chances are they will just do the same thing and replace it with the hw4 board while keeping the cameras (at least most of them)

@Carbonatedballsack Ай бұрын

Also, tesla's are so bare boned that its basically already ripped apart, so you're not really ripping anything apart. The panels and stuff come off easily and there isnt much underneath, you can even see a gap from the steering column all the way to the headlight. It's like looking through the car.

@XKS99 Ай бұрын

Board swap is trivial

@gerryreed5573 Ай бұрын

Will the new Tesla Model Y come with HW4 is the question.🤔

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Probably HW4.5 or something similar for the earlier Juniper batches adding the front bumper camera, and the transition to HW5 later in 2025. That’s my timeframe at least

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@nimasahabi9421 27 күн бұрын

Elon said that the cameras on HW 3 are good, its just the computer. And it looks like they wont update the computer to HW4 but rather a upgraded version of HW3. I think of it as HW 3.5. I still think the HW 4 cameras are necessary for a smooth experience.

@heyJohnEe 27 күн бұрын

It’s hard to say as there is a huge difference in quality between 1.2MP sensors and 5MP. It’s like 720p or less vs 4K

@jamiebryce6091 Ай бұрын

I see the comments. However for clarity in Australia we have only just received our model y. Just over 13 months ago all being hardware 3 that was a brand new release here for model y just entering our market. Then almost within a very short time hardware 4 was released. So our lifecycle of our cars is hugely impacted and also is the future release and access for fsd entering our country. It is perfectly feasible to have plug and play compliance written into the change of the hardware computer. The board is measly a board and the cabling is not as hard to get to as you would think. Even so they can crimp connectors and have pigtails to connect without data failure. It’s not as hard as you may think. The thing to remember is a to create a better world with less waste so why would you cut and run from vehicles that are being delivered into new markets no less then 24 months.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean! Ultimately they needed to clear HW3 inventory and had to do what was needed especially during the chip shortage, but fingers crossed they can provide a quick and easy retrofit without too much physical swaps

@pennyharris446 Ай бұрын

Haven’t heard they are planning the retrofit. No plans.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Elon confirmed it’ll be coming if HW3 isn’t capable. And it seems HW3 is incapable of the latest FSD update

@XKS99 Ай бұрын

This is awesome news.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Definitely awesome news 💯

@bsd107 Ай бұрын

My guess is that a custom computer could be made to physically replace the HW3 computer, while using the existing cameras and harnesses. However, my guess would be that it would be a HW5/AI5-based computer, and not a HW4-based computer. Why “upgrade” a HW3 computer to another computer that is already obsolete? Also, “the magic of AI” could be used to enhance the love images of the current cameras. I am not claiming that this would truly be as good, but might be the compromise they take.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

I think you put out a great point, it could be based on the next-gen AI5 computer rather than one thats soon going to be replaced

@fyeofyeo402 Ай бұрын

Can better wireless cameras work? They invent their own protocol. This can bypass the harness.

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

That’s a pretty interesting idea but I think the latency is much too high to be usable for FSD

@renesalazar5329 Ай бұрын

Just bought a Model Y now I'm regretting it. I hope Tesla doesn't turn into the new Apple smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

@heyJohnEe Ай бұрын

Your new Model Y should have the latest HW4 computer, how come you’re regretting it?

@Carbonatedballsack Ай бұрын

You should've known about the juniper, it's been leaked this entire year. Good news is you should've gotten 0% or .99% apr, which you won't get anywhere close to for the juniper

@lashlarue59 Ай бұрын

Why are you regretting it? The car itself is fine; now FSD is another story.