TESTED: Vihtavuori N565

[@jarvitron]

UR couldn't have brought a better person onto the team, love seeing John bring his expertise to the channel.

[@Ultimatereloader]

YES! Agree with you, thanks for the warm welcome of John!!!

[@lylewalters909]

​@Ultimatereloader always enjoy your videos like this and john is a great addition. I would like to request another series idea.. I have a brand new 8# bottle of IMR 4955. Ya I know it's discontinued. It would be awesome to see videos comparing the old discontinued powders against the new powders. Showing the pro's & cons and the difference in them. Was going to use this on my 7mm Rem mag or my 260Rem but I haven't got to test it yet.

[@fernandoromo2243]

100% agree! I follow both channels and it’s nice to be able to watch both in one!

[@joearledge]

MORE F-CLASS JOHN ON UR PLEASE!!

[@Ultimatereloader]

YESSSSSS! John is a team member and you'll see him frequently on the channel.

[@joearledge]

@@Ultimatereloader Thanks!

[@paulvenn4447]

Been watching John for years, can see how much of a natural he is in front of the camera now. Awesome content John and Gavin.

[@rhcockrum8746]

I’ve used N565 in two different cartridges. It has worked great with both. I got great velocity, low SD’s, and superb accuracy. I love it. Thanks for sharing your results and information.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Awesome!

[@shanerhodes925]

What cartridges ??

[@rhcockrum8746]

@@shanerhodes925 6.5-284 and 6.5 PRC

[@jaymiller393]

Great addition to the team adding John… solid move Gavin!

[@frostypreppersk3593]

Good to know. I bought my first jug of N565 stemming from the Ultimate 6.5 PRC hunting load video. Gonna give it a whirl. Thanks much John! Im already subbed to you lol.

[@Bowhunter66]

I'm running N565 and 58gn target load 2950mv 156 Berger and 58.6 hunting load 3005mv 156 Berger. All from a 24in barrel. Good luck ! I started at 57gn shot a 650yd ladder.3 gn increments and settled on above charges.

[@frostypreppersk3593]

@Bowhunter66 yeah I was told to treat this powder like reloader 26. I was going to go off that chart. I'm running the 156 bergers as well. Thanks much for sharing the info!

[@frostypreppersk3593]

@Bowhunter66 my barrel when it arrives is a 26". But I'll continue with my little Tikka pencil barrel for now lol. Sept thr match barrel should arrive.

[@dawielubbe9443]

​@@Bowhunter66i wonder how it will work out of my 6.5x55 ackley with 140eldm? It has a 30inch barrel

[@jordanlillico]

Yes! More with F class John !!

[@thebryguy96]

I have used n565 with great success in the following cartridges: 7 SS with a 180 berger. 7 prc and 7 rem mag with a 175 ablr, 180 eldm and 180 berger, 338 Norma with 250 sbd2. if a Handloader likes h1000, generally you can use the same charge with n565. If using r26 or n560, it will take 1.5 to 2.5 grains more of n565 for similar pressures. It's very stable and doesn't show pressure quickly. I personally like it better than h1000 and staball hd. N550, n560 and n565 are three of the best powders i have used. John and gavin create great content.

[@8MM.PRC.HUNTER]

Very good job, John. Good insight on the N565. Glad to see you teamed up with Gavin. Big thumbs up!

[@LuizNewlands]

This is really cool. Just finished my first loads this week and besides my manuals, most of what I leverage is the UR and John F Class videos. Really cool to see this partnership.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Awesome, thank you for watching our channels!

[@Michael_45_AARP]

Great job John. Awesome presentation, as always.

[@montaego]

One of the best things about the powder shortage, and not having access to Hodgdon, was discovering Vihtavouri. The go to for 280ai was always H4831sc, but N560 is a step above. N165 in the 22CM is also fantastic yielding small groups and SD's.

[@googies12a]

I'm using N133 for my 223 loads, 2nd load was x5 touching, just over .225 group. Very stable, clean and all round good brand to use! All the best across the pond in Ireland ☘️

[@Wmbhill]

I’m not going to buy any of this powder as I use smaller cartridges, but I enjoyed a video of F-Class John on UR. More of that would be great.

[@mftoutdoors7483]

UR a bad assssssssssss. Love the idea of you need part of the team.

[@xxshiftlockxx]

Cool to see you use it in the 7prcw. I know with the 6.5prc, n565 is one of the top 3 powders, next to H1000, and Reloader 26.

[@theLTrain700E]

Love the team up! I follow both F-Class John and UR. Great to see more collaborations happening!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Awesome, thank you! More to come!

[@DingaReloading]

Loading advice from an expert...proof is in the pudding! Great stuff, and really nice to see John on UR! Gavin, you are a genius 🙂

[@keithlabrozzi7176]

Great video. Welcome John. Very good addition.

[@FClassJohn]

Thank you.

[@rosshill2565]

I use it in my 6.5 PRC. Works well as you said.

[@josephjulian2503]

I just resurrected a .223 WSSM with a new Douglas barrel. Data from Hodgdon in 2011 is showing extreme pressure issues with far less than max loads. N555 is in a similar burn rate to the slower Hodgdon numbers. Pressure is reduced, SD’s are in single digits and groups, although not much under moa, are definitely worth exploring further. 47.0 grains is launching a Nosler 55 grain Varmageddon at 3,991 fps! Smokin’!

[@jeffanderson1773]

Love seeing the branching out and adding John to the lineup.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thank you, it's great to have the opportunity to work with John!

[@1175drh]

I just loaded my first 50 rounds to test my 6.5 prc and berger 140s with N565. I also have a jug of N560 I may try, but since I have 3 lbs of N565 I am gonna start there. I am thinking the n560 may be a little better with the lighter bullets but we will see. Last week I loaded 30 rounds with H1000 and wasn't overly happy with the group size. Hoping VV powder will be better.

[@PaulHill-p4k]

I used N565 it in a 7mm saum ackley with 180g Lapua bullets with great results it’s a great powder 👍

[@stephanlopez7640]

I’ve used N565 for almost 2 years now in lots of cartridges. Specifically, 300 class cartridges, like 300PRC, 300 Win, even 300 Wby and all have shot phenomenally. Best group with a Christensen arms FFT 300 prc is less than .25” with the 212 Eld-X, running 2950 and with a 22” barrel. I would say it gives better velocity from my testing compared to H1000 but not as much as N570 of course. Meters well in my opinion, and has been much more consistent lot to lot compared to hodgon powders. Highly recommend the powder and hope others get to have some fun with it as well. PS- it’s temp stable as well.

[@AKGuru4774]

I havent been able to try VV powder but I have the 570 for my TRG 42 that i been waiting to try out. Heard nothing but goor stuff and happy to finally see UR do a examination of one of their powders

[@MrMillez]

Thanks for the honesty

[@TomD1999]

Good video.

[@conservativesniperhunter7439]

It’s great that Ultimate Reloader has asked F-Class John and Guy Milner to contribute to this great channel. Hopefully there are other content creators on this platform will be asked to join in contribute with all sorts of things that Gavin hasn’t covered before or guys that specialise in a particular field with their craft. Perhaps the next contributor could be from the fascinating world of ELR or ULR shooting to tells us what it takes and what rifles, tools and products these shooters use to shoot super long distances 😃. Well done Gavin 👍.

[@derekw2]

Fantastic video! Great overview and excellent score on the new talent.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks for watching

[@SharpShooterCO]

Great stuff John, and I am looking forward to your upcoming content 👍 Gavin is forming an excellent, well rounded channel... Can't thank all of you enough 🫡

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thank you, we are very excited to have John on the team!

[@sigsauer8267]

Yes John i use N565 in my 6.5 prc with 147 eldm

[@karlweiby2307]

Great addition to the team. Tons of knowledge and able to explain what’s and whys. Viht powders have always done me well. 570 in my 338 Lapua and 560 in my 300 win. Would love to see something of an apples to apples comparison. Maybe the 300 prc with the same weight bullet and run tests of 555 vs 560 vs 565. Keep up the great work

[@jordanlillico]

338 lapua and 300wm Dump N570 and N560 Amd replace witj N565 for both then only onw powder to stock

[@bobbellew9240]

Nice to see john on ur

[@Ultimatereloader]

Heck yeah!

[@jkgtss30]

Love both channels

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thank you, John is a PRO!

[@tcs9787]

The StaBall HD powder in my 300prc works amazing very consistent and tight groups at 200 yards.

[@Ultimatereloader]

We will have to try that!

[@johnreynolds6499]

Thanks for sharing. Nice info. More please.

[@chickenhawknwc]

I like you picking guest's for the videos

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thank you! John is now a team member, not just a guest! 🔥🔥🔥

[@stevewhitener290]

Will be trying it soon in a 6.8 western..

[@Trinitystillmyname]

7 prcw. Great idea, and cartridge. Only speaking to a small percentage of actual users. Would have liked to of seen you try it out with other more practical factory offerings. Stillhit the like button.

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

I betcha it smells fantastic

[@MichaelLloyd]

I've got a jug of N565 next to the bench. I plan to work up loads with it in the near future.

[@craigpepper4779]

Using N565 in my 300NM. Sub 0.25MOA groups. Super stoked

[@nysios5159]

0:46 "so we grabbed some powder" That must be nice, I honestly don't even remember when I was able to do that anywhere.

[@Capt4in0bvious]

Just bought 2# of N565 recently. Loading up speed test loads today for 300WM 195, 208 and 225gr ELDM tips. Use N555 for 185gr Juggernaut and 70.9gr shoots those at 2930fps. Looking forward to 565.

[@brianjazek7769]

Been testing some 565 in my 7 saum but may go with 4831sc, also going to try the 565 in my wifes 6.5 prc

[@daveenriquez7790]

I have a pound of N565, but haven't yet tried it in my 7mm PRC. H4831SC has been working so great with 175 ELD-X, at a respectable 2985 fps, that I haven't seen a reason to change yet. I may have to try it to see if it groups as well. Thanks for all your content!

[@DougJohnson-g5f]

I'm running 568 and it's working good

[@IamONaLIST]

Ivam just getting into reloading. A lot of people sleep on Vihtavuori. I have talked to few people and it seems that various Vihtavuori powders give similar velocities, better groups, and cleaner burner than their equivalents on the burn chart.

[@corybibby4884]

Ohhhhh I’m going to need this for the 300 Norma mag!

[@ernestcardona9131]

I’ve been using N565 in my 6.5 PRC for about 4 years now. The SD is single digit and ES is barely in the double digits. I have found that Vihtavuori’s reloading data is pretty conservative on max loads but it is very close to real world velocities. In the 6.5 PRC, N565 and H1000 have nearly the same max load volume, but N565 gave faster velocity.

[@robwebster2562]

I've had really good luck with N565 in several cartridges, including my .338 LM

[@Johnsormani]

We are lucky that Vihtavuori is in Finland and not in USA , otherwise we wouldn’t have any gun powder in the stores. This and Lovex are about the only choices we have nowadays. I use n320( 9para), n350(38 sa), n110( 357, 454, 44 mag), n133(223), n140(308) and n165(338 lapua). Great powders

[@make9469]

Suomi perkele! 😎🇫🇮

[@smolaman83]

I use n565 in 33xc when Im not using h1000. they both tested very similiar from what I remember, but went with h1000 cause of the published temp sense chart. it meters much better than n568 and not quite as smooth as h1000 with a V3. both are not as node friendly as H50 as one of the recommended powders but all 3 are known to be used in competitions

[@fordvg]

I personally like MAGPRO for my 338LM

[@Farmerboy78]

I recently bought some 565 to try in my 6.5-06

[@54Rocketeer]

Great in my 6.5 PRC

[@DS-gd1xw]

Yes. Using it for 300 PRC

[@rosalindstewart7013]

Quick question, what would happen if you crushed the extruded powder up, would it still work or be a nightmare, keep up the great content mate, cheers Yogi ✌️

[@johnhansen1684]

Seen some super slowMo videos of pistols shooting where there are some un burned powder coming out of the barrel. I know it is supposed to be 100 burn rate in a long barrel but would be cool to see if there are any powder kernels coming out with using different powders. maybe even with different barrel lengths. i dont know if anyone has done that.

[@Adamhawk1994]

Great video , do some more on the vudoo v22S

[@kevinbasye4566]

I just set up a new 7prc. Looking for some recipes for N565

[@JeffHoman-eu2zb]

Just started loading my 7 PRC with N565 behind my Berger 182gr Hybrid Target. Running 68.7gr in Peterson brass, CCI 250, 18 shot string, 2970FPS Avg 10.5 STD

[@zachh72]

What barrel length?

[@JeffHoman-eu2zb]

@@zachh72 Bergara HMR Premier with 24" barrel using my Xero chrono

[@zachh72]

@@JeffHoman-eu2zb thank you I’m trying to work a load up in mine weatherby 307 alpine ct 24” barrel I’ve tried 4831sc couldn’t break 2900 fps before hitting pressure but that was with hornady brass just ordered some adg so we will see

[@chrismuncey3861]

I'm thinking about trying 568 and 565 in my 300 Norma Mag. I'm planning with N550 in my 308 right now.

[@StuninRub]

568 meters like shit. the granules size is very inconsistent.

[@k4391]

I’d go n570 with the 300NM.

[@Pallidum]

I'm running N570 for 300NM and N550 for 308, 6.5cm, 6.5x55 and 6XC.

[@chrismuncey3861]

@StuninRub I haven't used it the n568 yet. The N550 meters through my RCBS chargemaster supreme with no problems.

[@chrismuncey3861]

@k4391 I need to try it to I worry it might be to slow. But it's getting a 30" Bartlein barrel put on right now so it might work good.

[@JwRainmaker]

N550 on 308 win. did me well.

[@brucegillespie654]

Ok this is hilarious to see you on this back ground John .You took to the new shirt well lol . So I have used the N-570 but couldn’t get the accuracy that I got with H-1000 in my guns . I have been told that all the 500 series powders are hard on barrels . Is there truth to what I have heard? I use a lot of N-133 and N-150 every year and cannot say they are hard on my barrels.Have you tried the N-565 in the 7 PRCW yet ? . Just watch a video that you’re load fell apart , was this N-565 .Thanks as always to both the channels for all you both bring us !

[@Sqwan2]

Same question here. Are they hard on the barrel, compared to the N1xx powders? There are a lot of rumours.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks for watching both channels 🔥

[@FClassJohn]

It’s been a while since I’ve used the 100 series powders, but I actually find that the 500 series are pretty easy to clean and I don’t get nearly as much fowling as some other brands of powder. Have been testing it quite a bit in my 7prcw and oddly enough the 565 load in that video held together better than my N555 load for some reason. Lots more testing to go.

[@Sqwan2]

@@brucegillespie654 thank you for responding. Do you also have any information on burn out?

[@biggs8729]

During the Great powder shortage of 2020 to 2022, I got a hold of a keg of n568. I could not find 565 or 570. I have heard that they give fairly consistent velocities but from what I've seen, they yield very low velocity. You're showing a Max load of 565 for a 300 PRC shooting 215 bergers in a 26" barrel at about 2800fps. I'm getting 130 fps faster in my 300 win mag with h1000 shooting the same bullet. I know speed isn't everything, but that's a significant gain in velocity. The n568 likewise yielded very low velocities for me.

[@Cosirius]

Great stuff. What are your thoughts on N568 and 300PRC?

[@Islowelowe]

Please test N570 in 300 PRC! I'd love to see your data. Im hoping to perfect a load for my Ruger precision using Lapua brass and either Hornady ATIPs (230s) or Berger hybrids (215s - 245s) for 500-2000 yds. All I seek is 1/4 MOA across those distances. Is that too much to ask? And very, very low ES and SDs.

[@michaelrodgers9748]

Where do you find load data for Vihtavuori powders?

[@shanerhodes925]

I picked up a pound for 7prc when i had it. But am thinking of trying it in 7rem. Have to wait and see. What geain bullets qould you think would be best for that burn rate. I was thinking 160-175

[@MR619Can]

what's the go to powder for 308 these days?

[@adsaccuracy]

I was using re22 in my 270wsm with 110 grain barns ttsx with a velocity of about 3470 fps but now using vhit n555, 66 grains with the same bullet gives me 3530 fps. Both powders give sub half inch groups at 100

[@Accuracy1st]

Uhhh, 470fps and 530fps??? Your barrel an inch long? Those are crossbow speeds

[@adsaccuracy]

Sorry. 3470 and 3530. had a dumb moment.

[@gustavundall-behrend1791]

Great video - really nice præsentation of the powder. How is the case filling with the testet loads. You got me wondering if I can use 565 in my good old 30.06. Currently I am using 550. But the loads do not seem to fill the cases properly thus the powder is rattling.

[@johnnyheskett4775]

I'm using n565 for my 300win mag with a 180 gr Sierra game king tipped boat tail but I can't seem to find a starting point of how much powder to use any help would be appreciated

[@Awesymoto]

NoooooOOooo this was my alternative to H1000 and RL26 now it’ll be hard to find too…. 😢

[@jwschroeder804]

What charge would you recommend of N555 for a 7PRC shooting ELDX 175, ELDX 180, B LRHT 180 and B VLD 180?? Thanks in advance.

[@NUCKINFUTSUT]

Please help I get a shiny ring near the bottom of my case when I fl size can you tell me why?

[@trg3761]

I wish I could use Vihtavuori power but in Australia we are lucky to get primers? I won’t go into the joke the rest of our non powder supplies is..

[@Accuracy1st]

I got lucky. 16 pounds of N165, 16 pounds N570, 16 pounds of N568, 16 pounds of N565, and 8 pounds of N560. Planning on testing in 7RemMag, 7PRC, 270-7PRC, 300WM

[@dg1234ify]

Looking again, at 300 PRC powder for 200+gns. Want a milder burn, semi fast and accuracy. I like H1000 or Retumbo how bout N565 or Magshot?

[@kurtjensen7930]

How temperature sensitive is it?

[@FClassJohn]

I haven't done a complete run-up on it yet but seems to follow my testing for n555 which is about .5fps per degree.

[@kurtjensen7930]

@@FClassJohn thanks! I’d like to know, I use extruded powders usually. Hodgon exclusively.

[@brandonjett16]

Now the true test I'd try it with cheaper rifles off the shelf and other calibers

[@Sqwan2]

I have already seen the question but maybe it can push your attention to the question. Is it true, that the VV N1XX powders are hard on the barrels?

[@Mahziar69]

For 300. Prc I would use N568 or H1000 only

[@robertpickens2719]

What about n560

[@Longshothawk]

You look like you had fun doing this! It was good info. What barrel length where you running on the 300 prc? Did you feel you where at the limit with that velocity?

[@Ultimatereloader]

26" See: ultimatereloader.com/?s=300+prc+custom

[@mtnshooter2487]

Area you on the wrong channel ?

[@Mattytube18]

560, 565 and 570! 568 on a pinch.

[@justbaggit70]

I use n565 in 2 of my 6.5 prc. Leave it alone so i have more haha

[@MrHf4l]

There literally no 30-06 data with this powder until 220gr bullet. For AIAP nobody uses 220gr bullets in the 30-06 anymore.

[@deeeeeeps]

Great commercial.

[@TheRealFoonus]

Stop letting the cat out of the bag.... Isn't too long after these videos come out the supply of the stuff dries up. Let people do some work for themselves at least before they dry up all of this stuff as well.

[@Moraprecisionreloader]

It's a winning powder it might be the same powder that Ukraine is using in their 155 mil rounds for the win.

[@BRENDANTHERED]

I would object, very debatable whether ukraine is winning... On the contrary, it would appear to many that they are, thus far, losing, as they have been losing ground to russia this whole time, have they not?

[@michaelandersen4745]

@@BRENDANTHERED, thats a deliberately strategy. The Russians lose more soldiers and equipment as the attacking party - maybe even 5:1 or worse. And what do they achieve? Smaller cities and few square kilometers that are leveled to the ground. The Ukrainians are wearing them down slowly but surely.

[@BRENDANTHERED]

@@Moraprecisionreloader Winning (stealing IMO) billions of dollars in so called aid, from countries that are struggling to take care of themselves. It seems to many Canadians at least, that it is a massive money and land grab, under the cover of aid.

[@Moraprecisionreloader]

@@BRENDANTHERED don't count the turtle out of this battle.

[@Fisherhunt56]

​@@BRENDANTHERED YES the Magas like Putin. He's going to give Donkey Don free hotels all over Russia if he gets in... which he won't.

[@dougkahler7152]

Some spendy powder though. It’s as expensive as Alliant powders now. The only magnum powder I still want to get my hands on is Reloader 33 and IMR 8133. But I can live without ever getting either ever again.

[@guyminer2384]

IMR 8133 works great in my 7mm Rem Mag hunting rifles, but am unable to get any more of it now. Phooey.