Testing LED Fog Lights VS Halogens In My SAAB 9-5

[@GH-rc8ht]

John- don't sell it! They are modern enough, safe, fast, unique, and quirky cars. These types of videos are awesome. Quick and effective upgrade mods one can do to lots of 2000s cars. I subscribed to your channel because of your 9-5 acquisition! Hope you keep it!

[@dwarf365]

So how does it work in the FOG? Actual fog lights are yellow for a reason. Yellow cuts the fog better than white or blue. What you have are driving lights not fog lights.

[@eggy1962]

I find that too bright a light just bounces back at you in fog

[@RandomGuyDan]

The number of factory fog lights I have seen on US cars with yellow bulbs or lenses can be counted on one hand. Personally I have never understood the obsession with fog lights. In my part of the country fog is not common and good driving lights would be far more useful.

[@edfrawley4356]

@@RandomGuyDan Used to run a set of 8" Hella fog lights with 100w bulbs. the pattern was great and the 100w bulbs behind yellow lenses cut through fog or even snow amazingly well. Made my 1.5hr commute a breeze.

[@shakey2634]

It has already been said in the comments that he doesn't really have fog lights. Either of those lights will be a bitch in real fog. Having said that..... Fog isn't really a problem in Wichita.

[@missingremote4388]

Halogen lights for Halogen headlamp fixtures. Yes

[@phyrexiancoffee6324]

Man, you have no idea how much I want this SAAB. On my attainable dream garage is a SAAB 9-5 Aero, a 1995 SAAB 900s Turbo, a 2009 Volvo C30, and of course the "Halo Car" of my cheap dreams, a C5 Z06. I'd also like my 1976 Cougar back, but that's in the works. Believe you me, I've got plans for that ol' gal. She was the first car I turned wrenches on 13 years ago.

[@indyjones3287]

I had LEDs in my 2017 Tacoma. They were awesome. Never got flashed for them being too bright. Now, I put some in my 96 Tahoe and they suck. No pattern, just light up trees to ground. Housings and reflectors make a big difference in how flat blade LEDs perform.

[@MassiveTrackHunter]

LED Reverse lights are also amazing! Turns night to day.

[@michaelhawkins5530]

A drivers side mini grill replacement would make it look much better. It looks like you have a new daily driver!

[@kennorcott7074]

I’ve had a saab for a daily for years. They’re great highway cruisers

[@tony_25or6to4]

I was just about to say the same thing.

[@noway234]

Old Saab's are a never ending project. I still love them.

[@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy]

The lights are really bright and look great. However, I'm curious how they look like in actual fog? Too bright of light in fog actually just illuminates the fog and doesn't cut through it.

[@ezrablasing]

Really hope you keep the Saab and keep doing videos with it- it's some of my favorite content and is such a cool car! Great car to do little fixes and upgrades like this fog light kit. Definitely doing to do it on my Audi now seeing that it worked well on yours!

[@Heffelz8]

I just picked up a 1985 Nissan 720 2wd 5 speed…I was debating tossing some leds in it but after seeing how white the lights are, I’m keeping it closer to stock. Love the content. I throughly enjoy seeing the cool projects like your Saab. Keep up the awesome work.

[@steveluken3180]

I said to myself, the fog lights were working on yesterday's video...then I saw you still had the tint. KZbin time travel gets me every time! Lol

[@WatchJRGo]

Yeah this was shot in December 😬

[@wernerdanler2742]

@@WatchJRGo OH good! I thought it was just me. 😆

[@jurijstorozuk6170]

I just like how xenons + hid fog lights look on my car, especially since its the fl aero with the round fogs. And yeah, they are surprisingly bright for small round fogs.

[@CodywellerMemes]

Auto Parts employee here!! Since they came out with them, I have sold alot! As well as buying a few sets myself!! Compared to the cheap Chinese crap people normally buy, These are by far the best you can get! The warranty alone makes it worth it!

[@TheBarberShopScott]

5 yr warranty is actually quite impressive on an LED

[@B0xlife1]

The Chinese ones I seen said “8 year” warranty... I said “ damn that’s a long time for a led “ But we all know that means not even a year with lite usage and the phone number I have to call is never answered or disconnected... LOL

[@_RiseAgainst]

Now where did I put that receipt?

[@TheBarberShopScott]

@@B0xlife1 haha yea I generally ignore warranty info on cheap stuff. But if Sylvania is saying that, I have no doubt they will be around for 5 years.

[@TheBarberShopScott]

@@_RiseAgainst 🤣🤣 that will be the problem

[@n.shiina8798]

@@_RiseAgainst scan the receipt, save it on google photos album 😂

[@ng-ht1vx]

LEDs are cool, however not practical in the area I live in winter. They don't produce enough heat to keep ice from building up at -25. And the lights freeze up much faster at -40. But I do like them. If they weren't such a PITA to change, I'd run xenons in the winter and LED in the summer. Just like changing tires for winter and summer. Sylvania usually does their research on lights, however, I'm not sure the color will be good in fog. Usually amber is what's used in heavy fog and blowing snow.

[@johnlott143]

I believe these over- bright lights are unsafe and effect oncoming drivers night vision adversely.

[@mraccord92]

Same. That's why I've never used them in a non projector housing meant for halogens. The beam goes everywhere.

[@highspeed01]

it 100% illegal to install leds in halogen light assy. reason companies can sell them is because they say in the fine print on the box offroad use only.

[@sjfk1306]

@@mraccord92 projectors don’t change anything…. They will stop put out more useable light with the halogen bulb they are designed for.

[@GH-rc8ht]

He clearly shows the beam pattern is preserved and won't blind anyone. Headlamp installations may vary but these are effectively the same as the incandescent

[@sjfk1306]

@@GH-rc8ht why comment if you didn’t watch the video?

[@mbiker345]

I have those bulbs in my Toyota truck and they are fantastic. Had em a while now too. So far no troubles.

[@paulvernon4160]

Unfortunately the whiter(or bluer) the light the worse it is in actual bad weather and fog, do although they look good and are bright in clear conditions you may find in fog they are not as efficient

[@kevinl6111]

I have a 2002 Saab convertible and one interesting thing is it's came with a rear fog light from the factory on the drivers side. On right hand drive Euro Saab cars had a drivers side rear fog light. Not sure if the 9-5 came with that option but still an interesting option.

[@TheZestySquid]

The saab 9-5 does come with this option, it intensifies one of the rear break lights.

[@laurat1129]

Late reply here... I also have a 9-3 CV w/the driver's side rear fog lamp, but I only realized myself a few years ago that the right side w/trunk keyhole is just glass. Anyway, I went to a different garage this year for my state inspection, and b/c MA doesn't test emissions on cars older than 15 yrs, it's mostly about safety, esp. lights, but not fog lamps. I had to tell the guy three times that side is not a light, but he wouldn't listen... instead, he insisted on opening the trunk and inside panel to look for a bulb. Of course, he didn't find one.🙄

[@seanwainwright2627]

​@@laurat1129why didn't you just show him the owner's manual? 🤔 Anyway he can't be too much of a mechanic or inspector if he is unaware that this is a common feature on many vehicles made in Europe. 🤷

[@laurat1129]

@@seanwainwright2627 Not sure where you are, but it doesn't work like that in most of the U.S. If he wasn't going to listen to me as the owner, what makes you think he was going to read the owner's manual?😑

[@1mlb704]

I put Diode Dynamics LED bulbs in my '18 Colorado low beam projector housings. Very noticeable improvement over the stock halogens (although I've gone through a few pairs, had issues with dimming, but the company has honored the warranty and sent free replacements). For fog lights I actually prefer keeping the stock halogens. The slightly amber-ish color temperature I think does a better job helping me differentiate what's right in front of me than the white/blue-ish LED color. Also for hi-beams I run halogens for one main reason - here in New England during the winter, ice will form on the headlights. Old school halogens throw off a ton of heat and can quickly melt the ice. LED's throw off little to no heat, so the ice on the headlights won't melt, forcing you to bang on the light housing to break the ice up. With my setup I just let the truck run for a few minutes with the hi beams on, and that's enough to clear the plastic housings off and drive off.

[@pebear]

I have replaced all the lights on both my Harly's with LED all around. 2001 Fatboy, Headlamp, Passing Lights and signals, break and running lights and my 73, Ironhead Headlamp and signals, breaks and running lights. On the Fatboy I had to add a resister in the turn signal line so I could use the turn signals. On the Fatboy I bought an adjustable blinker unit that allowed me to add resistance to my turn signals till they worked. It has a dial on it. I did this not so much for the quality (Quality is better than the OEM incandescent bulbs) but to save on power usage. On the Ironhead you have a generator that only puts out so much power and on the Fatboy I added a full fairing with Sterio and I wanted to save on power from the added audio. Great solution for quality of light and saving on power.

[@lordrichard8184]

I did the same mod to my explorer. I put in led fogs. Which are as bright/brighter then my headlights. And left the headlights as the halogen bulbs. I also modded it so I can run the fogs and high beams at the same time. Which really helps make everything brighter.

[@mexicanspec]

How bright do the fog lights need to be. Won't that light reflect back when you are in real fog?

[@kevint8315]

You are dead right. If you have lights that are too bright they reduce visibility because the water molecules in the fog/mist reflect the brighter light and you get a cloud of glare in front of you.

[@emrei]

But it lets others to see you easier.

[@kevint8315]

@@emrei not in fog. All on coming traffic will see is a wall of white light. Meaning you as the driver in your car can’t see nor can the car coming towards you,clearly see your car’s position on the road.

[@GH-rc8ht]

They are mounted low to project the light under the fog and out of the driver's line of sight. The low height helps to reduce the scattered light coming back into the driver's eyes. Yellow does work better because of reduced scatter compared to a white light spectrum. It also has the benefit of improved contrast for the human eye. Check out France's headlamp laws which ended in the 80s. Yellow headlamps and fogs were the only setup permitted prior to.

[@mexicanspec]

@@emrei That is not the purpose of fog lights.

[@dmann1209]

LED is the way to go. My only issue is finding a bulb that will cast light properly in a OEM head light housing. Awesome episode.

[@ScottJ175]

Congratulations you have successfully influenced me. I need to install a set of those on my wife's NC Miata.

[@magnateataxia]

I replaced the headlights and fog lights from the stock that came in my 2016 Ford F-150 with a package that came from AtoZ LED...I love them...so much better vision at night.

[@69Dartman]

I tried some led bulbs in sister 99 300m and they were 6k which looks great till we drove it at night it was more blue than white and the light didn't throw very far. After that they started dying after about 6 months. They were super cheap and fanless so more then likely overheated and eventually died. Wouldn't have been so bad but those cars are super hard to change out the bulbs or housing. Looks like they have made some improvements in the last few years. I might try some better quality 5k bulbs in my Charger and see if they're less blue and have better light throw now. They do now make 5k color temp but they're rare.

[@WatchJRGo]

Gotta have a nice heatsink or a fan for sure, I've had so many cheap lights fail 😢

[@69Dartman]

@@WatchJRGo The cheap ones had big heatsinks on them but I guess it wasn't enough and of course they drive them really hard to get decent light output. I was worried about the fans failing when I got them but they need them apparently. The high beams still work but she almost never uses them.

[@blakea216]

I can't wait for the window roller fix and tint removal vids!! 😎

[@jerrylittle7797]

JR: "Looks like a complete car now!" Missing Grill Chrome Bezel: "Does he not see me? Can you see me?

[@allanpaul90210]

I don't know how much fog you get in Kansas, but here at the beach those would just blind the driver in fog

[@digitalshackonthelane]

A little bit of Shrink tube with that wiring? Love the comparison JR! I do admit "time travel" episodes are a tad confusing, but you get it eventually.

[@david_at713]

They are definitely with it!

[@anortiz94]

Really like the Zevo license plate lights. Lifetime warranty on those!

[@WatchJRGo]

And the best part is I've never had a failure on one! 💯

[@King_Springmeyer]

@@waynepantry7023 as long as the original owner got that part. So say I buy a lifetime warranty on bulbs if I sell the vechile the lifetime warranty goes away

[@anortiz94]

@@waynepantry7023 just register the bulb with Sylvania and submit the receipt and they keep it on file.

[@itsnotme07]

Now THAT is a cool result!

[@cppctek]

Converting hid to led seemed kind of odd to me as well for my Lexus is350 and I decided against it. I really wish there was a plug n play kit for those bulbs. They take that big honkin metal connector that spins and clips on.

[@MN2_Kevin_Hill_1970]

Zevo bulbs are the best. Lifetime warranty is my favorite part about them.

[@Thanos.m]

Fog lights are ment to be yellow as they cut better in fog which is the whole point of them white LEDs will cause the fog to be blinding also you should never really install LEDs or HIDs on non projector housings

[@DustinRNewton]

Agree 100%

[@InspiredJJ]

When you think of selling the Saab keep this guy in mind

[@christophers.4007]

how to say you're a glutton for punishment without saying you're a glutton for punishment

[@InspiredJJ]

@@christophers.4007 lol I know!

[@RealRickCox]

I was struggling with some brain fog... but this video was very enlightening.

[@alexandrecouture2462]

Covid?

[@RealRickCox]

@@alexandrecouture2462 Possibly. Or maybe it's just another Saab story.

[@evbue01]

If you do the window rollers, use Volvo v60 ones. They're square instead of round and don't tend to break as easily. Nobody else really has videos installing them but they're supposedly much better.

[@bbranett2188]

Problem with LED and HID lights are not legal on all vehicles. A projector type lens is required. Too many DIYers put them in anyway and blind oncoming drivers in a fog, low or high beam headlight.

[@anortiz94]

You should get a headlight beam setter so you can properly align headlights. Doesn’t seem like something that’s common these days.

[@ThorD4602]

These are fog lights, not headlights

[@bradgilpin9740]

I have had the Sealight LED head lights and fog lights for over a year and half and no problems 🤞. They are a whiter LED and have been great. Even with them being daytime running lights.

[@richardmesser1091]

Be one of those guys that keeps them on all the time

[@mds2465]

Love those 9-5 Aero Saabs. That was probably the last great car that Saab ever made! The only thing that yours is lacking is a stick shift! Yours is not a bad car by any means but I do like driving those 9-5 Aeros with a manual transmission!

[@ryanfarrell8763]

Great so the fog lights look amazing now,.... how about we tackle the haze on those headlights.

[@TheSaabClinicUK]

I have them on my SAAB 9000 Aero too !. They are H3's i think.

[@pdennis93]

I have a 95 trans am that I installed 4.5" harley LED driving lights in place of the factory fogs and haven't used the popup headlights in over 4 years.

[@kenyip3150]

Can water can enter the fan? @ 5:45, I noticed the fan casing is not waterproof which is sticking out. I have a Maxima, the stock fog light bulb is H3 and is completely waterproof. I can't find a H3 after market LED bulbs that can fit inside the fog light housing, the plastic cap must be sealed in order to prevent water entering. H3 bulb length is about 1 1/2 inches long, including the base.

[@tjnucnuc]

Something I’ve been dealing with on my E91 is most LEDs hyper flash without resistors.

[@adamtoman5855]

I’m running beamtech LEDs. I really like them.

[@josellamas5609]

I have a fleet of cars I stick all of these in the headlights vs foglights if I can do both I do such great quality they are high dollar but I have a few xc90 volvos an all of mine have these leds awesome lights for the money highly recomend if you have trouble seeing at night

[@billcunningham8485]

I see the Sombrero resting on the Motul stand. Does that make it El Motul? And is that oil now spicier?

[@seanwieland9763]

Great topic! I’m a big fan of the Phillips LED fog lights.

[@ryanm4319]

Real fog lights are Baja Design yellow, white reflects off white

[@GrandMoffJoseph]

Dang, here within the first minutes of an upload! Good timing today. :)

[@WatchJRGo]

And my normal upload time 😁

[@angrytexan666]

If you do headlights try to go with ones with thinner arms that the LEDs are on. I use the latest Auxito LEDs and they are really thin so the LEDs are closer to where the filament would be so the beam pattern is more accurate.

[@justinpaone2227]

Yeah it's very bright but if it's not reflected properly it's going to disperse in a shorter distance also the fans are pretty noisy on those and for a fog light it's going to get a bunch of dirt and snow and other crap in it I'd use an HID no moving parts cool and it will reflect properly. Those put out good light in your video but you may be blinding people. I believe the thinnest LED bulbs on the market are half millimeter between the you know the actual bulbs like the thickness of the PCB board but it's still not center it's suprizing the difference that that makes.

[@danielgloates5903]

I use those as regular headlights… they’re amazing!!

[@ayayoutuber]

not just warranty and heat. you also need to see the testing done showing the light path...some led blubs are so bad it shines upward or spread light everywhere and blinds incoming traffic.

[@FeloniousSavage]

I've been watching jr go for years now... Still haven't figured out where he's going but I like it! Will stay tuned for all new videos LOL

[@CALVINLNIKONT]

Kelvin is a color rating with 5,000 Kelvins being a bright white like the noonday sun. 4,000 Kelvins have a yellow color and 6,000 Kelvins have a blue color. Always get 5,000 Kelvin bulbs! You absolutely have to replace that vent opening to the left of the grill. The right vent chrome adds so much to the look of the car.

[@lifebankstore8625]

with no splash tray any water from your front wheels, is going to spray the fan unit at the back with salt/sand and road grit thrown by the wheels the light units should be enclosed within the light housing so are better protected there in sufficient air within the unit to keep the fans working without road contamination shorting the life of the bulb, fog lights cut under the fog for you to see road markings ect without the glare bouncing back off the fog/mist to blind the drivers vision.

[@TheBibliofilus]

I wonder what Ross Sr. thinks about the Saab, it's a quirky and unique car design like Citroen, it's said it's the car for architects and engineers. What if you let him have it as a daily driver for a while and see if it could stay in the family?

[@huntertk9575]

Just so you know, the 9-5 aero is supposed to have a front lip spoiler that really makes the front end look right when it’s on

[@transtubular]

Nice! A shame that Sylvania can't seem to squeez the driver into the casing for the lamp itself. My AuxBeams did.

[@CJLeTeff]

Nice! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉👍👍🤘🏻🤘🏻JR you have to get that chrome ring for the grill!

[@xzx_sparky_xzx]

I know Sylvania sent those to you, but I have been using Beamtech LED for a while in my headlights for a few years now. (The ones without the fans - they have three styles now) Only ever had one bulb fail and that was after 2 1/2 years of continuous use (acts as a DRL too.) $35 on Amazon and they are plug and play. Had an issue with an older vehicle, where they started causing interference with the radio. I emailed them about it and they sent out a set of ballasts to fix the issue. (Had them with in two days)

[@johnperalta9415]

LED foglights and headlights are great! But the white ones are useless in foggy conditions. Go for yellow/all weather ones.

[@t1mpetti]

I had LED H8's on my convertibles fogs.. They grenaded the UEC, there was a hole the size of a thumb in the control unit once I got it out, it had oveeheated so bad due to lacking resistance.

[@yodasbff3395]

Nice light out put, but what happens when that 10,000 rpm fan sucks in dirt or snow?👍

[@n9wox]

Especially that low to the ground.

[@slammedniss]

I imagine the fan works similar to how a CPU fan works in that it pulls the heat away from the heat sink/metal housing.

[@harismic]

I love Sylvania headlights. You need to polish the headlights!!!

[@OhioBladeandCutlery]

You should try out the Optimum Clear Coat Restorer on the hood. I tried it out and it’s really impressive.

[@31dknight]

Great video from JR.

[@erikl2092]

Interesting video, thank you. I am considering this conversion myself. What I do not understand is how the H1 bulb is attached to the housing now that the bulb holder is removed from it's position. Am I missing something? If there is a new collar involved, does it come with the bulb? Another thing is that the bulb fan is exposed to the elements. Has it stood up to them?

[@tuffteddy1446]

Please get a rolling work table. Thanks for the video!

[@youngmarioyoung1]

LED everything is my saying. You have plug & play LED replacement bulbs for HID bulbs. It works with the ballast & everything, just take out the HID bulb & pop in the LED replacement

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

Installed both Philips and Osram/Sylvania H7 led's in my '98 Volvo S70. Osram/Sylvania in the high beams and Philips in the low beams. Great light output and very easy to install. Can't see any difference between the two brands.

[@npolite22]

Do you have any issues with passing inspection?

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

@@npolite22 Not due for inspection until December, but I'll have to swap the low beams back to the halogens to pass. It's pretty strict here in Sweden. But it's just as easy as changing any H7 bulb, so I don't mind.

[@playadelcarmenmexico3283]

​@@marcusjosefsson4998 how did you do regarding to fit the light in the tray and what cap did you use?

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

@@playadelcarmenmexico3283 I just installed the bulbs as I would with a regular halogen H7 bulb, tucked away the wires neatly and put the cap back on.

[@playadelcarmenmexico3283]

@@marcusjosefsson4998 i dont get it. The fan is bigger then the cap. To bad i cant put a picture here

[@enzodisciullo2557]

A 9-5 with a missing fog light is like Cindy Crawford smiling having a tooth missing 😁

[@bearing_aficionado]

WatchJR Corvette Emporium!!! You gonna add anymore to your shop?

[@WatchJRGo]

Originally I was going to buy every generation but I needed the triple stacker lifts to pull that off. 🍻

[@bearing_aficionado]

Would you care to explain the sale of the Porsche? I figured you liked it so much, you were gonna keep it?

[@mexicanspec]

If nobody rents a rental car it has to go.

[@WatchJRGo]

I sold almost every car I own this week, it just got added to the list 🍻

[@bearing_aficionado]

@@WatchJRGo wow!!! I take it you are going to do an update video about all the sales?

[@WatchJRGo]

@@bearing_aficionado oh yeah

[@bearing_aficionado]

@@WatchJRGo great can't wait!!

[@morstyrannis1951]

What do you have to weather seal the lamp around the new bulbs? The LED lamps usually won’t fit in the rubber boots used to seal around the original bulb.

[@Borgforce]

I just moved from the UK to California- all I can say I you guys LOVE lights on your cars that shine through the skin and you can see the skeleton structure of the person that you are driving at - what in the actual f**k is this about?!?

[@VanisleNSX]

The fog light housing actually holds the broken bumper together! HaHa

[@playadelcarmenmexico3283]

Nice upgrade so i ordered this Sylvania leds all the way to the UK. However, i dont see how you manage to take the original fitting, and mounted the leds back on them? And second, what about a future splash guard?

[@sesapup]

Take a 3-M headlight refresher kit to those headlights, too. They look terrible. And replace the grill trim.

[@jeremywimer8842]

So much for sleeping... New video!

[@MrKimgraesdal]

You can buy d1s led, plug and play

[@simplecatify]

I run those in the high beams on my Armada. The flash is intense

[@remigiuszgdula3621]

I had them ... yes they are bright but that small fans interference fm radio and they throw sometimes faults on dash and I prefer yellow ish oem look so after 2 months they OUT

[@McLivin410]

I’ve been looking to do led on mine but heard that halogen is best at going through fog. Led just bounces off and you can’t see shit

[@mexicanspec]

That was my question above.

[@transtubular]

Believe what you want. The only real downside is a brighter lamp will cause more light to reflect off of the fog ...but that's just physics. Brighter lights also illuminate further down the road. The only thing people talk about that has any relevance is the fact that fixtures designed around a burning wire don't focus the light as well when you insert a burning chip.

[@WatchJRGo]

People just think yellower light is better (totally subjective), nothing to do with the technology. 🍻

[@n.shiina8798]

check out PIAA Hyper Arros. they're 4000K and came with 3yrs warranty

[@tony_25or6to4]

Color is more important than brightness for fog lights. Brights reflect back off the fog. Yellow cuts through better.

[@Cartier_specialist]

What's the term they use in TV and movies for discrepancies in the time line? I just remembered "continuity error". The Saab magically has window tint that was removed in yesterday's episode.

[@ChosenBC]

yeah, and the window was fixed about a week ago...

[@reinhardeder8268]

I hope your incoming Traffic is happy with it, like you are ,.......way to high your fog's

[@ivanoffw]

I guess that they have a five year warranty on those LED's because most people will just turn on the fog lights and never turn them off again.

[@Adam47150]

For fog lamps, wouldn't it be better from a safety perspective to at least match the color temps of the halogen bulbs these LEDs replace?

[@kerrylewis2581]

I'm guessing the SAAB is close to going up for sale

[@Lions7.62mm]

Man I truly love watching your new videos every night, but I sure af can't wait till you film more Corvette's, S10 race trucks, motorcycle's, or something with some force induction‼️

[@becomemoremills9783]

Driving in fog with my suncloud grey polarized lens sunglasses made it better too

[@marioStortuga]

That's a nice difference